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Will it be safe?
    #14434967 - 05/11/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hey guys! I'll keep this as short as i possibly can.

About 20 days ago I had a nasty panic attack from weed. Dunno whether it was a momentary time of weakness (thought i was having a heart attack) or whether it was building up to it (have been smoking every day, several times a day for almost 3 years straight and I did feel like weed was making me a little edgy and anxious lately, but only if it was very potent), but one thing remained clear- it left me with a constant anxiety and palpitations for a few weeks, and I'd have several panic attacks on a sober mind, plus a strong sense of derealization coupled with depersonalixation.

I was beginning to think that I was going mad, even saw a psychiatrist. Who said I was to detox and remain calm- i wasn't loosing my sanity. Apparently I just received an anxiety disorder from the experience (Post traumatic stress disorder) and another anxiety disorder (the fear of awaiting another panic attack), plus- the whole psychedelic background did not help on calming down or my psyche. So- I was instructed to detox- stay away from drugs for atleast 6 weeks and shape up my habbits (health wise). She prescribed me medicine to helpme cope, but I havent used them (as I hate prescription drugs).

After finding out that I was not going to have a psychotic break or that i wasnt showing signs of schizophrenia I started feeling  better rapidly day by day and very awkward about the idea that I basically swore never to take drugs again during one of my panic attacks, just if it would go away. I also told the psychiatrist that. But now that Im currently (after almost a month) feeling like ive recovered though still going through with the mild detox ride, i fell like "hell, I dont wanna loose my ability to have some extra fun once in a while!"

So my question- has anyone had similar experiences and will it ever be safe to engage in smoking a spliff or having a shroom or two in the future some day? Or is it seriously advised for me to just stay off the boat as I have ruined it all for myself by abusing? :/ id appreciate an answer from someone who can at least partially relate.

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Re: Will it be safe? *DELETED* [Re: MotherNaturesSon]
    #14434982 - 05/11/11 01:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: mikehauncho]
    #14435033 - 05/11/11 01:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

every once in a while i get a panic attack.. and i rarely smoke. its no big deal. panic attacks are just thangs man.. you arent gonna die, you are just high. :smile: scary i know, but rare for me. just make yourself a happy place to be at in case you know. moderate. get your feet under you and go for it man.


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: mikehauncho]
    #14435037 - 05/11/11 01:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sometimes you just get too high, you shouldn't worry about it and it wont be such a problem in the future. I have seen kids who rarely smoke takes bong hits of good indoors and freak out (think they are dying, melting in the couch, time dilation) basically they show effects of a psychedelic experience.... Just like anything else its all about dosage and tolerance, just take less rips if you are afraid of this happening again.


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: JimLahey]
    #14435055 - 05/11/11 01:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I get panic attacks occasionally after I smoke

But the worst panic attack of my life happened on a day I hadn't smoked any pot at all. Or had any caffeine for that matter.

They're all psychological. You can have one stone sober. Weed doesn't really help though.

The key to freeing yourself is amazing self control.

Careful deep breathing and meditation are a good place to start when you begin to feel tense and anxious.


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: mikehauncho]
    #14435059 - 05/11/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Honestly, because I don't know what spawned the initial one. It may have had something to do with the fact that I hadn't slept for more than 4-5 hours, as I tripped on mushrooms from 11:00 PM till 05:00 AM (wonderful trip btw, no negative vibes, even had a spliff on the calm down which was great), I ate nothing before the trip and barely anything after it, plus I was severely dehydrated after.

In overall I had no negative vibes that very day and I did bong the largest bowl I have had (to celebrate the awesumness of the trip) of potent weed with tobacco. The thing was that the high was not pleasant, like- overwhelming me, I was feeling like I was gonna pass out and it made me anxious. Ultimately I felt my left hand going numb and I thought i was having a heart attack- thats when i felt the adrenaline flush really kick in hard and I had to endure the panic attack for 1 hour and 20 mins~

Basically I hear that smoking too much for too long can lead to this, I guess the question then is- does it heal with a lengthy pause or is it forever imprinted into my body's receptive memory making it impossible to get intoxicated without making it respond with a freak out? :/


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: JimLahey]
    #14435069 - 05/11/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I have 2 suggestions you could try. Buy a dub sack, and smoke on your own. Simplify your environment, so that you don't need to do anything besides watch Simpsons or w/e. Take a few 1 hitter quitters. Smoke bowls, not a spliff. You don't need the nicotine, because you want to reduce variables here. As you get a tolerance, it will become much more manageable and not seem overwhelming. I'm sure that there are many veterans with PTSD and anxiety/health worse than your's, who safely use pot regularly.

The other option is to take some ginkgo biloba. I've had heart palps and seizures from weed too, but it's been my experience that ginkgo reduces the negative side effects of many drugs. I use it for caffeine jitters, for not turning into an idiot with alcohol, and for smoking weed  around people when I don't have a tolerance.

edit: this isn't permanent. look at what happens to anyone who says "this weed is laced with meth!!!" after they smoke for a while.


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: maug]
    #14435117 - 05/11/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Keep smoking, take breaks maybe 3-4 days . Surround yourself with good vibes and people you like to be around with.  Pop a few of the pharms you got. If its Xanax you should feel..better. Also don't give your mind the chance to think you'll have a bad trip. Everything that happens, accept it.
But if you're very prone to panic attacks take longer breaks, try some different drugs etc. And don't over do it Maybe smoke a hit see how you're feeling and if you want smoke another.

Meh my 2 cents


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: KahTahToe]
    #14435189 - 05/11/11 02:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I would say don't take pharms. The idea being to A) get at the cause not the symptom, and B) cut down on variables. Some of the downer pharms mess with your heart, and you may get an unwanted multiplier affect with weed.


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: KahTahToe]
    #14435190 - 05/11/11 02:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm grateful for the advice people :smile:

But is there anyone whom has undergone something remotely similar and kept smoking or started again sometime in the future without ill effects?

I fear psychosis, I heard weed can induce it. What am I to think? :facepalm:

i wanna enjoy my :bigblunt: without having it in the back of my mind that something may go gruelly wrong. Elsewise ill be prone to more panic attacks :shrug: i guess i'm sensitive like that :sad:


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: MotherNaturesSon] * 1
    #14435199 - 05/11/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I fear psychosis, I heard weed can induce it. What am I to think? :facepalm:




Outside of a self-fulfilled prophesy, I think that's bunk.


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: maug]
    #14435214 - 05/11/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I fear psychosis, I heard weed can induce it. What am I to think? :facepalm:




Outside of a self-fulfilled prophesy, I think that's bunk.




Outside a self-fulfilled prophesy <--- explain, if you will? :smile: Didn't quite understand what you meant by it


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: MotherNaturesSon]
    #14435329 - 05/11/11 03:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I fear psychosis, I heard weed can induce it. What am I to think? :facepalm:




Outside of a self-fulfilled prophesy, I think that's bunk.




Outside a self-fulfilled prophesy <--- explain, if you will? :smile: Didn't quite understand what you meant by it




Basically, I don't think there is any harm in it, unless you bring those kind of ideas into play.

Some people are just physically naturally one-off in some way. And it's pretty hard for others to understand those people. Terrance McKenna once gave a story on that, where 500 people in a lecture hall smelled a colorless, oderless liquid. 2 of the 500 couldn't stand the smell, it was so wretched. To the rest it may as well have been water. McKenna gave that as comparison for why some people can't stand pot.

Personally, I think that you simply can not know if that is you unless you cut out all those variables. Don't do it with friends, pharms, tobacco, responsibilities, and so on. I think You're going to have to buy a dub and do the hard work of smoking one hit at a time until your body is acclimatized to pot. IMO, smoking a joint/spliff is more of an endurance contest than it is fun, so I always smoke out of a pipe. If you think the smoke may be a variable because of things like carbon monoxide, you can take some grindings and mix it into a peanut butter cracker. Microwave that for 10 seconds, and enjoy.

Take a look into ginkgo biloba too. It's undervalued. I don't think you'll be overwhelmed or get heart palps if you take it, and you can find it an any grocery store for $5.


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: maug] * 1
    #14435392 - 05/11/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

no one has ever died from a panic attack and you are always going to be ok, as long as you remember that then what is there to worry about


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: SummerDaisies]
    #14435525 - 05/11/11 03:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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no one has ever died from a panic attack and you are always going to be ok, as long as you remember that then what is there to worry about




Actually you can die from terror. High blood pressure, heart problems, and seizure can be induced by your mind, and those can be a serious problem. "Pointing the bone" is an execution method based on that.


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: maug]
    #14435542 - 05/11/11 04:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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no one has ever died from a panic attack and you are always going to be ok, as long as you remember that then what is there to worry about




Actually you can die from terror. High blood pressure, heart problems, and seizure can be induced by your mind, and those can be a serious problem. "Pointing the bone" is an execution method based on that.



I was going to say...

I dont have any facts but panic attacks feel deadly probably for a reason. There's something really bad happening with your circulation and it is totally psychologically induced.


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: drr]
    #14435585 - 05/11/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

no one has ever actually died from a normal panic attack...


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: MotherNaturesSon]
    #14435621 - 05/11/11 04:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I have had very similar experiences, although i did not seek help from a doctor or anything. Based on my experience i recommend you smoke a lot less. I used to smoke from the point i woke up to the point i went to sleep everyday for a few years, and one day it started making me feel anxious and crazy. I stopped for a few months, thinking i would never smoke again, but of course, just recently in fact, i decided to blaze the glorious ganj again. however, this time i only smoke out of a pipe, and maybe just a bowl or two. And i only smoke once or twice a week. I feel wonderful, not only because i spend a lot less money, but i feel such a great and pure high feeling from not smoking too often. Each time i smoke, i know i am guaranteed to get quite twisted, in a good way. unlike before when i smoked all day errday, i was not reaching the high potential i desired, perhaps because my tolerance was too high... hope this helps. be careful


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: onetwotree]
    #14440266 - 05/12/11 01:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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no one has ever actually died from a normal panic attack...




Its not dying I fear, I know panic attacks are harmless. What I fear is the idea of my body autonomously responding to the stimuli of being high by triggering an adrenaline flush leading to a panic attack without the consent of my conscious mind. Once i learned to deal with panic attacks and realized what they are, I've still had a few and even dealing with them without giving into the panic itself is an unpleasant experience, something I'd hope to avoid as I wish to enjoy my highs.

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I have had very similar experiences, although i did not seek help from a doctor or anything. Based on my experience i recommend you smoke a lot less. I used to smoke from the point i woke up to the point i went to sleep everyday for a few years, and one day it started making me feel anxious and crazy. I stopped for a few months, thinking i would never smoke again, but of course, just recently in fact, i decided to blaze the glorious ganj again. however, this time i only smoke out of a pipe, and maybe just a bowl or two. And i only smoke once or twice a week. I feel wonderful, not only because i spend a lot less money, but i feel such a great and pure high feeling from not smoking too often. Each time i smoke, i know i am guaranteed to get quite twisted, in a good way. unlike before when i smoked all day errday, i was not reaching the high potential i desired, perhaps because my tolerance was too high... hope this helps. be careful




Weren't you kind of nervous, after the lengthly pause you had, that you'd still feel anxious and crazy? I mean, say I'm taking a looooong pause- few months/half a year, once I'll be sitting by that bowl ill still recall what made me quit in the first place and feeling a tad nervous/uneasy seems like inevitable. I'd hate for that to spawn a panic attack and bring me back to square 1. Even more so- I hate the idea of not being able to have the same joyful highs as I did before. I fear that the inevitable doubt may bring about nasty vibes.

I guess what I'm looking for is a "go for it with ease" from someone whom has gone through somewhat the same so that I'd know that I'm merely overreacting or something. lol, Id also smoke from morning till evening every day :laugh: you mentioned it made you feel anxious and crazy- but a full blown panic attack spawning a few weeks of anxiety and panic attacks afterwards? How can I know this isn't a sign for a perm-kick as in "this shit ain't good for your head no more, stop for your own safety" or just the good ol "you need to cut down bro, take a pause, come back anytime" :frown:

It's like- mind wrecking


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: MotherNaturesSon]
    #14440360 - 05/12/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Just think of all the nasty things they cut weed with (baby laxative, rat poison, meth) do you REALLY want that stuff going into your lungs where your unborn baby will absorb it and come out fucktarded


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: Wizzy]
    #14440425 - 05/12/11 02:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Just think of all the nasty things they cut weed with (baby laxative, rat poison, meth) do you REALLY want that stuff going into your lungs where your unborn baby will absorb it and come out fucktarded




lullllz

Hi, and welcome to planet Earth. You may notice that we have plants here. Some of them are hearty, largely take care of themselves, and grow everywhere in all sorts of conditions, like weeds. Hence the name, weed. :facepalm:

You probably don't need to worry about pesticides, and chemicals, and definitly don't need to be worried about it being laced. A friend may lace it, but a dealer wont.


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: maug]
    #14440436 - 05/12/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Okay maybe Ill just smoke one pot


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: MotherNaturesSon]
    #14440616 - 05/12/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I have never seen a mental health professional but I think I may have some sort of disorder. I have had countless bad experiences with weed, panic attacks, depersonalization lasting months on end. 

I've had similar experiences to what you describe... and it took many full blown panic attacks to realize weed just isn't my thing.

I can still eat mushrooms and feel amazing... but weed just fucks up my thought patterns, fills me with overanalytical thoughts, makes me physically and mentally uncomfortable and usually sparks a panic attack.

It took years of bad experiences with weed to finally just stop smoking it... if you have panic attacks and bad experiences with weed I would stop smoking it altogether. Mushrooms are much kinder to me but ymmv.


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: Subconscious]
    #14440640 - 05/12/11 03:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I have never seen a mental health professional but I think I may have some sort of disorder. I have had countless bad experiences with weed, panic attacks, depersonalization lasting months on end. 

I've had similar experiences to what you describe... and it took many full blown panic attacks to realize weed just isn't my thing.

I can still eat mushrooms and feel amazing... but weed just fucks up my thought patterns, fills me with overanalytical thoughts, makes me physically and mentally uncomfortable and usually sparks a panic attack.

It took years of bad experiences with weed to finally just stop smoking it... if you have panic attacks and bad experiences with weed I would stop smoking it altogether. Mushrooms are much kinder to me but ymmv.




Thats what I feared... I suppose my abusive pattern has come to give it's consequences :facepalm: were you smoking a lot before, or did you always have this problem with weed? Because if its something you developed like I seem to have- then I suppose I have my first "don't go for it".

Sad, really. It's like breaking up with your girlfriend in a fight and leaving it all on that note, you know what i mean? It just feels so... unfair :bored:

Anyways, I'm very glad to hear that mushrooms are still seemingly alright for a person in my condition :dancer: Mushrooms have been sacred to me- don't know what I'd do if I couldn't trip once every year to summarize my existence and enjoy nature's transcendent glow.. :crazy:


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: Subconscious]
    #14441735 - 05/12/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I have never seen a mental health professional but I think I may have some sort of disorder. I have had countless bad experiences with weed, panic attacks, depersonalization lasting months on end. 

I've had similar experiences to what you describe... and it took many full blown panic attacks to realize weed just isn't my thing.

I can still eat mushrooms and feel amazing... but weed just fucks up my thought patterns, fills me with overanalytical thoughts, makes me physically and mentally uncomfortable and usually sparks a panic attack.

It took years of bad experiences with weed to finally just stop smoking it... if you have panic attacks and bad experiences with weed I would stop smoking it altogether. Mushrooms are much kinder to me but ymmv.





Same thing happened to me. I used to smoke everyday for years. Slowly but surely It began to turn on me. Just like you, it took me about 5 or 6 severe panick attacks before I said "enough is enough". On occasion I take one or two rips and still feel good providing it's the right type of nugs.

It kinda sucks when your one of the only people you know that doesn't toke up lol, but it's better than dealing with anxiety and panick attacks.. I'm just glad I can take my psychedelics still.. I'll take 5 hits of acid before I take a few bong rips. :shrug:


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: toader123]
    #14441769 - 05/12/11 07:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I have never seen a mental health professional but I think I may have some sort of disorder. I have had countless bad experiences with weed, panic attacks, depersonalization lasting months on end. 

I've had similar experiences to what you describe... and it took many full blown panic attacks to realize weed just isn't my thing.

I can still eat mushrooms and feel amazing... but weed just fucks up my thought patterns, fills me with overanalytical thoughts, makes me physically and mentally uncomfortable and usually sparks a panic attack.

It took years of bad experiences with weed to finally just stop smoking it... if you have panic attacks and bad experiences with weed I would stop smoking it altogether. Mushrooms are much kinder to me but ymmv.





Same thing happened to me. I used to smoke everyday for years. Slowly but surely It began to turn on me. Just like you, it took me about 5 or 6 severe panick attacks before I said "enough is enough". On occasion I take one or two rips and still feel good providing it's the right type of nugs.

It kinda sucks when your one of the only people you know that doesn't toke up lol, but it's better than dealing with anxiety and panick attacks.. I'm just glad I can take my psychedelics still.. I'll take 5 hits of acid before I take a few bong rips. :shrug:



This I will never understand.

I smoke bonghits before I have dinner with grandma, or go for a drive.
I eat mushrooms and I feel like I have to turn off my cell phone and lock the doors and hide under the covers.

I have had anxiety attacks after smoking pot too, I know where you're coming from. But the idea that marijuana just totally fucks you up but you feel perfectly comfortable on psychedelics. I just can't relate to. :shrug:

I love smoking pot though.


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: toader123]
    #14441979 - 05/12/11 08:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Honestly it's the same deal for me... I trust myself more on solid dose of psychedelics then a few bong rips.

I will be obviously fucked up on 5 grams of mushrooms or 5 hits of acid... but i'll still be clear headed and able to enjoy the experience. Psychedelics just feel lucid

Weed makes me feel hazy, confused, paranoid, and fills me with overwhelming negative thoughts and feelings. All of my friends think i'm crazy for this... but it's good to hear someone else say something along the same lines.

People are just wired differently I guess. :shrug: And yes, I used to smoke daily and enjoyed the shit out of it... but eventually something just changed and now I can't smoke anymore.


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: Subconscious]
    #14442027 - 05/12/11 08:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

This started happening to me aswell after 2 years of daily smoking weed.
I fixed it by getting more exercise and smoking only a one hitter pack at a time. And also quitting cigarettes.


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: laruta_21]
    #14442256 - 05/12/11 09:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Do you exercise at all?


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: thedream]
    #14442408 - 05/12/11 09:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Drinking water helps when i have a weed induced panic attack... i notice there onset when im around people i dont know or and akward situation.. these can be the worst.. i think your problem is your just worried about another panic attack.. just try to forget about it.


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: skiddy]
    #14455125 - 05/15/11 07:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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toader123 said:
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Subconscious said:
I have never seen a mental health professional but I think I may have some sort of disorder. I have had countless bad experiences with weed, panic attacks, depersonalization lasting months on end. 

I've had similar experiences to what you describe... and it took many full blown panic attacks to realize weed just isn't my thing.

I can still eat mushrooms and feel amazing... but weed just fucks up my thought patterns, fills me with overanalytical thoughts, makes me physically and mentally uncomfortable and usually sparks a panic attack.

It took years of bad experiences with weed to finally just stop smoking it... if you have panic attacks and bad experiences with weed I would stop smoking it altogether. Mushrooms are much kinder to me but ymmv.





Same thing happened to me. I used to smoke everyday for years. Slowly but surely It began to turn on me. Just like you, it took me about 5 or 6 severe panick attacks before I said "enough is enough". On occasion I take one or two rips and still feel good providing it's the right type of nugs.

It kinda sucks when your one of the only people you know that doesn't toke up lol, but it's better than dealing with anxiety and panick attacks.. I'm just glad I can take my psychedelics still.. I'll take 5 hits of acid before I take a few bong rips. :shrug:




Glad to hear this is not some sort of unique situation I've flung myself into. You said "provided it's the right type of nugs" Do you mean a strain with lower THC concentration and a large amount of CBD? Like a nice couch-locking indica strain or something? Because I do believe the stuff I've been smoking all the time would be some psycho-skunk with high THC levels,maybe even too high. Maybe adjusting the strain to higher CBD concentrations would allow me to smoke without having nasty psychological reactions?

 
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Honestly it's the same deal for me... I trust myself more on solid dose of psychedelics then a few bong rips.

I will be obviously fucked up on 5 grams of mushrooms or 5 hits of acid... but i'll still be clear headed and able to enjoy the experience. Psychedelics just feel lucid

Weed makes me feel hazy, confused, paranoid, and fills me with overwhelming negative thoughts and feelings. All of my friends think i'm crazy for this... but it's good to hear someone else say something along the same lines.

People are just wired differently I guess. :shrug: And yes, I used to smoke daily and enjoyed the shit out of it... but eventually something just changed and now I can't smoke anymore.




I know what you mean. The negativity in the experience is just that you feel so overwhelmed and hazy, your thoughts are racing. That leads to confusion and fear of loss of control. Eventually its gives a spark for a panic attack and negative vibes to erupt whether you'd want to or not. But again, maybe a simple change in strain is in order? Psychedelics like shrooms or acid I've never had a single bad experience with. I've pulled a whitey a few times but ONLY directly after smoking some weed, especially when i already felt fucked up enough, but took a rip anyway out of reflex or the "its weed, why refuse?" factor. It wasn't until a few horrific passing out sensations (sort of a death thing) with intense fears at first that I stopped smoking weed while tripping altogether, except for on the come downs or come ups and even then- the amount would be minimal (a spliff). The thought of smoking weed while tripping always made me feel a little uneasy because the two effects would not always mix well for me. I'd get the feeling of being dragged down as my bodily sensations would get more intense and subside the existential euphoria instead, at some points they'd begin to overwhelm me.

   
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This started happening to me aswell after 2 years of daily smoking weed.
I fixed it by getting more exercise and smoking only a one hitter pack at a time. And also quitting cigarettes.




I don't smoke cigarettes and even so I'd smoke weed with tobacco (from the times when i did smoke cigarettes). Maybe that added to my problem? Smoking pure through a pipe seems much more safe to me now for some reason. I'd always do a one hitter through the bong, but several of them a day. You mean to do a one hitter when i decide to smoke that day entirely? Exercise...? hmmm...

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Do you exercise at all?




Well actually- no. none at all. And I had managed to weaken myself in the past months. Dropped a lot of weight because I was too lazy to eat properly, haven't been sleeping regularly either. My physique was indeed the weakest it had been when it happened. Now I'm getting back on track. But i still don't exercise. Do you see some sort of connection between the situation and not exercising? 

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Drinking water helps when i have a weed induced panic attack... i notice there onset when im around people i dont know or and akward situation.. these can be the worst.. i think your problem is your just worried about another panic attack.. just try to forget about it.




Well as i said, I don't fear panic attacks at all- i know they are harmless and I havent had any for many days now, so i suppose im over it in sobriety. But I fear panic attacks having leeched onto any high or drug use (due to the association between a high and panic caused by the initial experience). For example recently my mates made me drink some vodka because they said I needed to relax some. And i got anxious after drinking it for some reason, the sense of derealization seemed to increase. I don't know,  it may just have been a response to the peer pressure or the fact that i'm doing a drug that I don't like and quit many years ago, as the anxiety was brief and I did enjoy myself later on (but I refused to get drunk).


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Re: Will it be safe? [Re: MotherNaturesSon]
    #14455653 - 05/15/11 10:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I suppose my anxiety disorder has been going through 3 stages:

1 stage- the fear of something being physically wrong with me (elevated with a thorough check up at the hospital)

2 stage- the fear of something being mentally wrong with me (elevated by seeing a psychiatrist).

3 stage- the fear of not being able to enjoy the things I once did with the people I learned to enjoy them with. One of those things being weed.

Any tips on how to elevate the third stage? Because the constant thoughts of "the good times" and how ill never be there again and how I wont bent able to relate to my high friends during a party- its making me anxious. There simply HAS to be a way for me to enjoy pot without freaking out. There has to! I love Marry Jane :sad: I love the times we had and I don't wanna be perma-kicked off her date list xD I mean come on!


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