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psychedelic entities
    #14427553 - 05/09/11 11:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i would like to hear from those that believe they have encountered entities or spirits whilst on a psychedelic journey . i know im not the only one who has experienced this kind of shit . i "felt" the prescence of a malevolent thing invade my trips for a time . even now when i trip i feel powerful , arrogant and proud ; but its not me . its the mushrooms power , arrogance and pride . i would like to hear some of your thoughts , beliefs regarding these types of things . thanks shroomerz .


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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: atomicshaman]
    #14427579 - 05/09/11 11:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

During my first bad trip (before it went bad) I crawled out of my closet and looked across the room and saw 3 shadowy humanoid apparitions. The entire room had a strange dark blue-green tint. I got the impression that they were looking at me and thinking *Little Ape, you know not the powers with which you trifle*. Was crazy.

I also get a feeling that the mushrooms are secretly a sinister alien plot to end human consciousness, and it gets pretty scary sometimes.


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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: atomicshaman] * 2
    #14427581 - 05/09/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i have quite a few experiences that I could talk about.

But before that, i'd like to preempt the whole "are entities real" discussion.

Of course many of us have experienced this. What are the implications? Are the machine elves real or are they all in our head? My answer is, what's the difference? Maybe they are REAL IN OUR HEADS!

Often the way that we experience other people is through our own cognitive filters and biases. Perhaps we might also experience our own cognitive filters and biases as other people (or "entities").

It's really quite an existential discussion of what it means to BE and ENTITY. I suggest we approach this in a mature and skeptical manner (not as skepti-nazi's, but as TRUE skeptics of reality and "truth").


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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #14427749 - 05/10/11 12:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I had a classic abduction experience during my first DMT trip ever, was abducted by 3 classic looking grey aliens.

Another time (on DMT again), I came in contact with an alien who kinda had the body shape of the alien on Family Guy. He was doing nonstop backflips, and halfway through the rotation of each backflip he would turn/morph into some pod looking object. It was also trying to show me things which I couldn't comprehend.

Saw a shadow dog on ecstasy in the darkness one time. It was walking next to a dumpster. At first I was certain it was a real dog, but I did a double take and it was gone. Pretty crazy, it looked so real.

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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: Mescalineeee]
    #14428261 - 05/10/11 04:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

One time when I was walking home from my friend's dorm at 3am after doing HBWR seeds, all of the streetlights and bushes and signs and buildings...everything had the sentient presence of all these extra-terrestrial animals.  They were not earthly.  Like, imagine what a race of hyper-intelligent elephants from the planet Neptune would look and feel like.  They were dark and mysterious, but they took the form of seemingly whimsical elephants.

Then there was the time when I did 3.5 grams of shrooms with my friend, and his orange back of protein whey sitting on his mini fridge took on the distinct sentient presence of a somewhat sexy and intriguing, but dangerous juvenile delinquent clown girl smoking a cigarette while sitting back with this surly demeanor.  All of this I felt viscerally, rather than saw.  I'd keep on glancing back at the bag of protein whey, and whenever I looked at it head-on, I could convince myself for a split second that it was just a bag of protein whey after all, but as soon as I looked elsewhere, out of the corner of my eye the presence of the clown girl would re-reveal itself to me.


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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: Mescalineeee]
    #14428864 - 05/10/11 08:55 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I had a classic abduction experience during my first DMT trip ever, was abducted by 3 classic looking grey aliens.




God. Damn. I. Hate. Greys.

Seriously. Nothing creeps me out more than greys. Fuck.

God damn you Mescalineeee, you've set me up to have a self fulfilling experience next time I dose. Burn for eternity :mad2:


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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #14429242 - 05/10/11 10:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Nunbuh_Chrubble said:
i have quite a few experiences that I could talk about.

But before that, i'd like to preempt the whole "are entities real" discussion.

Of course many of us have experienced this. What are the implications? Are the machine elves real or are they all in our head? My answer is, what's the difference? Maybe they are REAL IN OUR HEADS!

Often the way that we experience other people is through our own cognitive filters and biases. Perhaps we might also experience our own cognitive filters and biases as other people (or "entities").

It's really quite an existential discussion of what it means to BE and ENTITY. I suggest we approach this in a mature and skeptical manner (not as skepti-nazi's, but as TRUE skeptics of reality and "truth").



It is very important whether we are perceiving phenomena of our mind, or perceiving something out there. If it is out there then the experiencing of it seems absolutely crucial. If these are our inner realms then it is valid to dissect them in freudian ways. (Obviously, if they are real entities this is innapropriate and unlikely to give us any meaning).

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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: PoisonCrazy]
    #14429298 - 05/10/11 11:08 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

DMT. I felt like some being was watching me and the 2nd time a tree came to life and stared at me. We had a mental conversation :P On shrooms and acid I have the feeling of being in the entities world but I don't meet them like on DMT.


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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: PoisonCrazy]
    #14429376 - 05/10/11 11:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

i believe that everything has a vibration, and IS a vibration, really. and i believe that we create our own realities with our thoughts.

with this said, when you eat mushrooms or take any psychedelic, you are more like a satellite for consciousness.  If ur thinking thoughts that cause u to vibrate at certain frequencies you are going to draw in, or project yourself to realms with entities that are vibrating at the same frequency as you currently are(this happens anyway everyday, but on psychedelics your mind is obviously enhances to be aware of more than u can handle at higher doses). This is why we inform people to make sure their set and setting is a positive one, so you have a "good trip".

Vibrating in love you will not be burdened by lower vibrational beings(ones that feed on ur fear). there is so much to learn from a psychedelic experience when that is your intention, to learn.  If ur just trying to get fucked up, ur goign to get fucked up...you see. if u want 'fucked with' then that is what they will do, and they will have fun while they are at it too.  im one to laugh and giggle and sometimes even cry with entities, i feel a presence of absolute LOVE, its fucking awesome, i feel i am appreciated and exalted in their eyes(whoever "they" are) for choosing to vibrate in love. "they" will take you higher and higher until u cant take so much love. until u are scared of the positivity u feel. ive bitched out of feeling as blissful as they showed me i could feel. i punked out cuz i was afraid if i went too far i might not get to come back. LOL

im sure bad trips are a descending of the mind into vibrations of fear...


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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: PoisonCrazy]
    #14429427 - 05/10/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

like the actual "meeting" or "connecting" to another entity is in the very vibration between the two of you. this must be clearly noted and understood.  you will not always see a mental image of a "body", you may see nothing at all with your physical eyes, but you will "see" them in vibration, which is actually the realest 'witnessing' of a being u can get.

everything has a vibration and this is their current reality. in this vibration is the truth of who/what they are about.  Like if someone talks to an animal or a plant, it is not through words, it is done through the vibration. the only way to hear/communicate in vibration is to learn how to listen. the humanness in us has us very ignorant. even i dont know shit, but i do know everything has a vibration.

like think about some of your trips in nature or even in the house around live plants...do you recall a lot of 'buzzing' and 'whirring'...sometimes so overwhelming that you notice it...but you dont really give it any attention becuz u dont really know wtf it is, u just know ur trippin balls.  this buzzing and whirring is you picking up on the vibrations around you or maybe even your very own...with practice u can begin to determine the differences.

and u dont need to be tripping to be aware of these vibrations, but it is a great tool to make u become aware of this reality that lies right under your nose. in all honestly, i think we are fucking geniuses that are hidden from who we are and where we come from and its not our faults we piss each other off with our ways, we just tryin to figure this shit out with no fucking manual. i think we are doing just fine...just need to not focus on the bullshit and focus on what matters.

as ghandi said, 'you must be the change you want to see in the world.'


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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: LSDilocybin]
    #14430070 - 05/10/11 02:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

LSDilocybin, quantum physics actually hints at the fact that there is something very strange about consciousness, something that doesn't discount the possibility that consciousness is a connected thing.  Whether or not we interact with this network of consciousness isn't something that would be a given simply because you are human.  Rather, you must use your own mind in a proper way to have appropriate access to it.  Schrodinger, one of the originators of quantum physics, said "I should say: the overall number of minds is just one.".  It's not inconceivable that we are essentially disconnected from the universal mental network that exists without our knowledge, and that every once in a while, through lucid dreaming, meditation, or psychedelics, we see a brief instance of this unified network.  It could all be bullshit, but considering how bulletproof quantum physics theories have turned out thus far, reality and "life" is likely much stranger than we give it credit for. 

All of our evolution has been in response to stimuli related to survival, what might humans become capable of when we are evolving in the modern world?  Are other modernly-evolved societies already out there, waiting for us to grow up, inviting us to use this strange tool of consciousness to connect with each other and the rest of the universal community?  Are these "entities" that people experience in altered states simply mental fabrications or are other conscious beings trying to communicate with us when we are in a mental state that is supportive of a subjective reality?

It all sounds extremely wacky, but when one of the major components of modern science suggests that such things are possible, I find it difficult to easily deny as I would other far-fetched theories.  In most cases, I imagine our minds are just playing tricks on us, but some cases are strange to the point where there isn't a clear explanation.

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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: atomicshaman]
    #14430136 - 05/10/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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atomicshaman said:
i would like to hear from those that believe they have encountered entities or spirits whilst on a psychedelic journey . i know im not the only one who has experienced this kind of shit . i "felt" the prescence of a malevolent thing invade my trips for a time . even now when i trip i feel powerful , arrogant and proud ; but its not me . its the mushrooms power , arrogance and pride . i would like to hear some of your thoughts , beliefs regarding these types of things . thanks shroomerz .



Terence Mckenna's book True Hallucinations covers allot about it. Terence and Dennis experience such an event during there trip to La Chorrera, South America tripping on shrooms they find in a field outside the village. It's a must read if your interested in such experiences.


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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: PoisonCrazy]
    #14430457 - 05/10/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Nunbuh_Chrubble said:
i have quite a few experiences that I could talk about.

But before that, i'd like to preempt the whole "are entities real" discussion.

Of course many of us have experienced this. What are the implications? Are the machine elves real or are they all in our head? My answer is, what's the difference? Maybe they are REAL IN OUR HEADS!

Often the way that we experience other people is through our own cognitive filters and biases. Perhaps we might also experience our own cognitive filters and biases as other people (or "entities").

It's really quite an existential discussion of what it means to BE and ENTITY. I suggest we approach this in a mature and skeptical manner (not as skepti-nazi's, but as TRUE skeptics of reality and "truth").



It is very important whether we are perceiving phenomena of our mind, or perceiving something out there. If it is out there then the experiencing of it seems absolutely crucial. If these are our inner realms then it is valid to dissect them in freudian ways. (Obviously, if they are real entities this is innapropriate and unlikely to give us any meaning).




Well this is the problem right here that I have with the way we discuss entities. What do you mean by "out there". Out where? And do we have a single perception that isn't entirely constructed by our brains?

People will say "it's just chemicals in your brain fucking up your perception. It's not REAL". And my response is that ALL of our perceptions are results of chemical processes in our brains. So what makes one category of chemical processes more valid than another?

In my experience AND opinion, we CAN'T get outside of our minds and so to talk of such things as "out there" is absurd...


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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #14430782 - 05/10/11 04:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I've posted a few trips where I have experienced meeting beings, all on DMT...whether it be real or not I still have not decided

most recently my fiance believes I had a natural DMT trip...I had not had any booze or drugs(not even tylenol)  in almost 2 months and one night I had this vision and I could open and close my eyes and there was no difference to it...it was all in 4D and was cool

I saw some people but I do not know if they saw me or not


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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: atomicshaman]
    #14431696 - 05/10/11 08:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

thanks for your input , psychonaughts !


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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: atomicshaman]
    #14432082 - 05/10/11 09:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think most feelings of another presence during psychedelik sessions are an illusion of your ego to keep you from reaching a state of sacred truth, Hridayam, Nirvana. All you need to do when confronted to fear is to close your eyes and let go of all games, all temptations, I can testify that if you do reach a complete state of ego loss, there are no entities powerful enough that your ego or an alter can create to disturb it.  Set the science fiction paranoia aside and learn from thousands of years of experiences on consciousness.

The only time I have ever been certain to cross an independent entity, that is not some kind of an Ego's avatar is during DMT breakthrough.

Everytime I trip on DMT, It hits me like a revelation everytime, when I realise that the molecules around me become one and a very strong intelligence drives them (difficult to explain but it is even more striking to realise that it is there and has always been there), It always feels like the spirit of a woman pouring a fearsome and panicking amount of love into me.

Once I gave in and stopped asking myself behind my closed eyelids ''Is there really an entity'' This one entity visited me, It pushed me out of my body from beneath and I found myself in 'Antimatter?', I was completely lost in what seemed to be the sandbox of the gods... This presence guided me  and showed me the energy flowing in my body, It showed me series of geometric figures wich I could not understand, the music slowed to a point where time seemed to be stopped, in these moments I would see 'theories?' flash in front of my eyes.

At first I thought it was the ghost of a friend of mine who died a long time ago ... this is hard and long to explain but I'll try...
I believe we form consorts with other entities (such as the consort of being a conscience inside a human body, One's perception of reality is linked with the collective paradigm... 1km is what it is as long as the majority of humans agree on it)
I also believe that there are many levels of consorts and that a special relationship you have with another person can teporarily break the consort you have with the rest of humanity. This friend was this kind of person, the music I put for this particular session reminded me a lot of him (and our consort)...

I think I have summoned it with the feeling I had with the music, It felt like I was thrown on an away mission from the USS Enterprise and finally made contact after a 24 years time differential, while it felt like I was gone for a minute over there.

I believe the entity and me made a pact to share information about the universe, I looked at my theories through it's eyes and it looked at it's theories through mine. The reason why the visions are so mysterious I believe is that they are unachieved, undiscovered science.

This said, what I have mostly learned from this sessions is that your state of mind is your 'warp core' through hyperspace, it determines wich 'tunnel reality' you will use to travel, it also determines what kind of intelligence will be summoned by this reality.


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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #14433805 - 05/11/11 08:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Well this is the problem right here that I have with the way we discuss entities. What do you mean by "out there". Out where? And do we have a single perception that isn't entirely constructed by our brains?

People will say "it's just chemicals in your brain fucking up your perception. It's not REAL". And my response is that ALL of our perceptions are results of chemical processes in our brains. So what makes one category of chemical processes more valid than another?

In my experience AND opinion, we CAN'T get outside of our minds and so to talk of such things as "out there" is absurd...



When I say out there, I mean things that exist independent of our perception of them.

What you say is true, we cannot get outside of our minds and touch objective reality, however if we make certain assumptions, such as that our logical faculties work and our minds are not designed to trick us, then we can certainly imagine perceptions which originate within us as apart from those which are merely the brain translating something in objective reality in to perceptions.

A simple way to think about it is two tape recorders. One records the sound it 'hears' in a room, and one produces random static. If someone hands us both and tells us they were recorded in the room, it is true that we have know way of KNOWING that one recorded the real sounds and one recorded static, but if we listen to them and one appears consistent with our normal hearing and the other consistent with random static, we can question whether the second really represents anything "out there."

And I think this is where we have trouble with psychedelics. If we are entering new realms of consciousness, new levels and contacting entities which are real, we have no good way of 'checking the tapes' because if it IS truly a reflection of something that objectively exists, then we expect it to be vastly different, it is a different level of consciousness after all!


None of this is trying to argue, just spinning out the ideas. I respect the points you make nunbuh_chrubble. :mushroom2:

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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: Zelse]
    #14433837 - 05/11/11 08:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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During my first bad trip (before it went bad) I crawled out of my closet and looked across the room and saw 3 shadowy humanoid apparitions. The entire room had a strange dark blue-green tint. I got the impression that they were looking at me and thinking *Little Ape, you know not the powers with which you trifle*. Was crazy.

I also get a feeling that the mushrooms are secretly a sinister alien plot to end human consciousness, and it gets pretty scary sometimes.



Very interesting, one of the most powerful trips I ever had was one where all of a sudden the streetlights turned green, really quickly, like pulling a shade over them.

As soon as that happened, I started to think, "uh oh!  Something weird is going on!"  And it was, and did!  The next 5 hours or so was one of the most incredible experiences of my entire life.  Mostly really positive, with only a couple small bumps in the road.

But that green light will forever remain riveted in my brain.


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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: LanLord]
    #14434410 - 05/11/11 11:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Most of my journeys end up at a similar place of unity, the center, where there is no differentiation of entities from myself. But along the way there, step by step of integration into more and more unified consciousness, commonly I do find myself interacting with spirits, and especially the plant kingdom. (Plants are the coolest EVER. I love plants. Plants are closer to the center of things than animals, for sure. Lower life forms my ass.)

Frequently I feel as if I am projecting myself into another realm or dimension, and my appearance there causes a stir among the beings who reside there. I become a transmitting antenna, sending a signal I cannot conceal. Usually the attention is positive and friendly, but sometimes I frighten them (I assure them I come in peace and love), and other times they seek to exploit me.

On my last journey I felt as if at the bottom of the ocean, black and empty, and my own light drew a wandering, restless, needy spirit to me, all face, teeth and eyes like a deep sea fish. She wanted to enter and possess my body, as she had none. I denied her, as I was only passing through. She grew angry and frantic, the fumes of her disappointment enveloping me like squid ink. I blessed her and bid her well on her journey, and she left me. The water around me then grew bright, warm, and gelid, and my body translucent too, an electrical energy pattern in a broader flowing field.

I don't give a rip whether these entities are real or imaginary. My experience is real enough. My interactions with them produce real healing, emotional and physical.

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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: otherwhitemeat]
    #14434935 - 05/11/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I once snorted about 30-40mg of 4-AcO-DMT (i was coming down from methylone, so it wasn't a super accurate dosage, stupid, i know, but I like to trip HARD, i find an eighth of shrooms boring sometimes). Come up is SUPER quick with snorted AcO, and within 10 minutes, my dorm room had aztec style paintings and markings all over it and I decide to lay on my bed and let the CEV's take over. They were crazy (too difficult to explain, so I'm not going to), but eventually, I felt a feeling in my chest as though it was pulling. This pulling feeling started to migrate up to my eyes, trying to pry my eyes open, but I didn't want to open my eyes, I was enjoying the bright and vivid CEV's i was getting (nothing significant in them though, just cool). Eventually I couldn't keep my eyes shut any longer and they snapped open. Besides everything waving slightly, my dark dorm room looked exactly how I recognized it, HOWEVER, there were 2 faint shadowy figures standing next to my bed looking down at me. Almost as if I was on some sort of medical examination bed, and the figures were observing me, (reminded me as if I was an alien, and the figures were humans at Area 51 or something examining an alien recovered from a crashed ufo). I wasn't scared by this though, I didn't just feel, I somehow knew that these figures were some extradimensional figures that are always around us, we just could not see them through the lense of every day reality, and it took this substance to remove this lense and see into this new dimension. I couldn't make any communication with them, however, and my eyes snapped back shut suddenly, and it felt as though from the inside of my head, my face was starting to break apart and shoot away, but not revealing my skull, brain, muscles and whatever, but exposing my soul, allowing my soul to burst out into the infinite...however, not all of my face would break apart, and my soul remained inside my body, which was kind of a dissappointment, I wanted to let go, but I guess I just didn't dose high enough to go that deep.

That was one of my craziest trips ever. Later in the night I started thinking about the concept of infinity, and I became trapped in infinity, which easily could have become a bad trip, but luckily I really enjoy math, so the whole time, instead of being like "oh crap this is never going to end, it's infinite," i was thinking, "cool, so this is what infinity is like."

I'm telling you guys, if you can get a hold of any,  snorted 4-AcO-DMT is a very intense, spiritual trip, I've never done DMT, but it seems like the light version, almost like an introduction to what is possible with dmt, even in duration. Snorted AcO is about 2-3 hours until back down to baseline (at least for me it is)


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