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ARE THESE PAN SUBBS?
    #14432921 - 05/11/11 12:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)



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I found these growing in cow dung. under some trees along the fence line. i am  very familier with this feild been going there for years found alot of cubes there in the summer. figured i would see if any were there yet when i found these. i seen alot of differnt kinds of pans there also but like i said these ive never seen growing there before, oh yea they were only in the high grass that grew around the dung. Im in north carolina. temps and humidity has been good.80 degrees and humidity in the 70s rained 2 nights ago..

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Re: ARE THESE PAN SUBBS? [Re: jpshroomer]
    #14432942 - 05/11/11 12:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

SPORE PRINT WAS ALSO JET BLACK..some stems were long and skiny as others were short. stems are redish brown in color and no bruising at base.

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Re: ARE THESE PAN SUBBS? [Re: jpshroomer]
    #14432943 - 05/11/11 12:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Could be, but i cant tell what color the print are. Is it jet black? If so they would be Pan. Subbs.

EDIT: Hehe you just filled in the info needed a few seconds before i asked. Youve got Panaeolus subbalteatus/cinctulus. (Two different names for the same mushroom.)

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Re: ARE THESE PAN SUBBS? [Re: Oboy]
    #14432986 - 05/11/11 01:06 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

thats sweet there was a shit ton there im bout to go back now. to bad its raining its going to be epic there in a few days.. thanks very much..:crazy2:

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Re: ARE THESE PAN SUBBS? [Re: jpshroomer]
    #14433005 - 05/11/11 01:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Go do that i think! Check again just a few days after rain, theese little fellas are quick.

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Re: ARE THESE PAN SUBBS? [Re: jpshroomer]
    #14433043 - 05/11/11 01:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Panaeolus cinctulus does not grow in cow manure.


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Re: ARE THESE PAN SUBBS? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #14433055 - 05/11/11 01:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yes it does! Ive found alot of them in piles of cow manure. Tho id say it prefer horse manure. But still it grows on cow manure!

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Re: ARE THESE PAN SUBBS? [Re: Oboy]
    #14433058 - 05/11/11 01:30 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

To the best of my knowledge it usually doesn't. If so it would be a rare occurrence.

Correction: it seems that they do occasionally grow from cow dung. I've personally only ever found them in horse pastures.


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Re: ARE THESE PAN SUBBS? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #14433064 - 05/11/11 01:35 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well maybe has something to do with where you live then? Im in sweden and have found several different patches on cow manure. And i know more people who have. Knarkkorven on this forum has to which i saw in a thread a week ago or so.

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Re: ARE THESE PAN SUBBS? [Re: Oboy]
    #14433071 - 05/11/11 01:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well, not really. Our climates should be pretty similar.


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Re: ARE THESE PAN SUBBS? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #14433081 - 05/11/11 01:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well maybe then the fact that around my neighborhood there is just alot more cows than horses, may have something to do with it.

Either way horse owners are bad at stacking piles of horse manure around... What a shame.

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Re: ARE THESE PAN SUBBS? [Re: Oboy]
    #14433086 - 05/11/11 01:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Just out of curiosity, can you point me to a thread where Knarkkorven states that he found P. cinctulus growing directly from cow manure?


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Re: ARE THESE PAN SUBBS? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #14433087 - 05/11/11 01:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I suspect that pan. cinctulus will happily grow from cow dung (or any herbivore dung) if it is mixed with straw or another form of undigested plant material; what do you guys think?

As the the mushrooms in the OP: pics are too blurry. For all I know, they might even be an agrocybe species, although panaeolus seems more likely given the habitat. In that case, pan. cinctulus is also a possibility, but I couldn't give a positive ID based on these photos, unfortunately.

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Re: ARE THESE PAN SUBBS? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #14433099 - 05/11/11 01:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Just out of curiosity, can you point me to a thread where Knarkkorven states that he found P. cinctulus growing directly from cow manure?




http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14368236#14368236

And like koraks said needs to be mixed with straw or something similar, but this goes for horse manure to.

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Re: ARE THESE PAN SUBBS? [Re: Oboy]
    #14433113 - 05/11/11 02:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, that exactly pictures how I'd imagine it: old-fashioned stable-type dung, lots of straw mixed in it and decomposing on a nice mound. Basically a large, very rich compost heap. Perfect pan. cinctulus habitat :thumbup: I wouldn't expect to find them growing directly from a cow patty in the middle of a field.

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Re: ARE THESE PAN SUBBS? [Re: Oboy]
    #14433116 - 05/11/11 02:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks. And that would also explain why they are much more frequently found on horse manure. Because dried horse manure usually breaks up into small bits of dry hay and straw. Ideal conditions for Panaeolus cinctulus. A cow's digestive tract with its 4 stomachs works a bit different and the end result is a fermented pulp, which is probably the reason why cow shit in and by itself isn't too ideal of a habitat to support P. cinctulus.


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Re: ARE THESE PAN SUBBS? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #14433558 - 05/11/11 06:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

the area i found the the mushies in is a place under a stretch of trees about 100 yards. the cows have been shitting there for 20 years prob its all broke up and trampled in the ground there is alot of conifer trees over hanging not sure if that matters. the poo is old and dreid out  and the grass  there is high i did not find them anywere but in the high grass not out in the feild just manily in this one area and to my suprise i saw alot of pan foes growing  never seen them either in the feild before. not many but there were some.. there was sphinctus there as well and alot of inky caps... the spores were jet black and the stems having like a twisting pattern to them.. no bluing that i n oticed.. but i was always told to twist the stem out of the myc. so not to upset the root area..

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Re: ARE THESE PAN SUBBS? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #14434051 - 05/11/11 09:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Thanks. And that would also explain why they are much more frequently found on horse manure. Because dried horse manure usually breaks up into small bits of dry hay and straw. Ideal conditions for Panaeolus cinctulus. A cow's digestive tract with its 4 stomachs works a bit different and the end result is a fermented pulp, which is probably the reason why cow shit in and by itself isn't too ideal of a habitat to support P. cinctulus.




Actually, the byproduct of cow dung is not fermentation, but microbial and enzymatic action of their GI tracts. In fact, one of my biology teachers was talking about using such microbes/enzymes as a basis for an industrial ethanol production process.

Actually, what he described is rather energy/time consumptive, but still the point of nigh purely enzymatic digestion is valid.

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The first time I found p. cinctulus it was on a big pile of cow dung. Look at my evidence :smile: So yes, it grows on cow dung. But more often on horse dung.

But I think tryptonite's mushrooms are foes. Compare the spore print with something that is really black, like a marker pen or coal and you will probably see that your print is very dark brown, not black.






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Just for the record I have found heaps of Pan Subbs on cow dung. More so than on any other substrate and this consistantly over a five year period. And yes I do have pics if proof is needed.

OK here are some pics, all growing on 100% bovine cowpoo.
I've also found lawn subbs and subbs growing from rotting grass clippings but the ones growing from cowpoo have been much meatier getting as big as any I've seen on this board.






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I am assuming youre talking about cinctulus...
I find em in a pasture thats pretty much a hillside...that slopes down to flatland that the cows tend to hang out and there is about 6 inches of doo doo in most places..and thick grass/weeds..stays wet and partly shaded by the trees nearby...usually growing from the deeper thicker weeds and grass











EDIT: Oh yeah, if my cinctulus are cinctulus, my field has nothing but cows in it too.:shrug:


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Re: ARE THESE PAN SUBBS? [Re: Ieponumos]
    #14434094 - 05/11/11 09:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Oh yeah, OP just found some more on cow poo, too

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found in the same cow feils as yesterdays finds. spore print is black. some look just like the pics i see of subbs and some look a lil dif. maybe cuase it rained last night and most of them were wet. stems all have same texture and color and have a slight twist in lines. found near trees in woods edge mostly in high grass. i also believe that 1 pic of the mushie by its self is a pan foe. but i also found it growing in dung but gills are def br own ..pls help id.... thanxxx..




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Re: ARE THESE PAN SUBBS? [Re: jpshroomer]
    #14434104 - 05/11/11 09:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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the area i found the the mushies in is a place under a stretch of trees about 100 yards. the cows have been shitting there for 20 years prob its all broke up and trampled in the ground there is alot of conifer trees over hanging not sure if that matters. the poo is old and dreid out  and the grass  there is high i did not find them anywere but in the high grassquote]




The trees help by providing shade and the long grass is ideal for holding moisture and humidity.

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