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OfflineEllis Dee
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Re: North Korea - What would you do? [Re: Thor]
    #1443420 - 04/09/03 02:33 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

I don't have a beef with communist N.Korea. No oriental hijackers have crashed planes in to north american buildings. There's no AlQaeda in communist N. Korea. They talk big but they're not going to hurt America. They don't even have a good motive to.


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InvisiblePsiloKitten
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Re: North Korea - What would you do? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1443424 - 04/09/03 02:35 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Amen.




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OfflineStopThat
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Re: North Korea - What would you do? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1443426 - 04/09/03 02:36 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Wether or not people agree with it,I think the current agenda of the US administration is to elimanate possible threats to our security. Might ruffle some feathers in the process,but honestly,how many people said "how could this happen?" after 9/11?


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Offlinepattern
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Re: North Korea - What would you do? [Re: Thor]
    #1443427 - 04/09/03 02:36 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

My question to anyone who does not support removing this regime is how do you justify doing nothing while millions are dying in North Korea?




Send them food.


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OfflineStopThat
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Re: North Korea - What would you do? [Re: pattern]
    #1443429 - 04/09/03 02:37 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

They would just sell it to make more nukes.


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InvisiblePsiloKitten
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Re: North Korea - What would you do? [Re: StopThat]
    #1443433 - 04/09/03 02:38 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

I didnt.

I said, "That was genius--- pure unadulterated fucking genius! Thank god for Project Northwood!"

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com


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InvisiblePsiloKitten
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Re: North Korea - What would you do? [Re: StopThat]
    #1443434 - 04/09/03 02:38 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

*dupe*


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Invisiblez@z.com
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Re: North Korea - What would you do? [Re: pattern]
    #1443438 - 04/09/03 02:39 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Appeasement is always a bad idea. It is better to just allow this to go on than to promote it.


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"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson


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Re: North Korea - What would you do? [Re: z@z.com]
    #1443486 - 04/09/03 02:53 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

A concern Thor has is for starving North Koreans. I see no better solution than food. Makes sense to me.

I was friends with a South Korean once, he was a Canadian exchange student. He said that in the army he had 30 seconds to eat each meal, so he learnt how to force down as much food in that time as possible.

All I see here is more paranoia, as with Iraq. People are making up assumptions. "North Korea is going to destroy the world". Bullshit. North Korea is obviously afraid of being in Bush's Axis of Evil, and wants to build up a defense before America comes in with guns blazing.


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OfflineGazzBut
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Re: North Korea - What would you do? [Re: GazzBut]
    #1443491 - 04/09/03 02:54 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

From the article:

Quote:

Possibly, because in Iraq you feel absolutely certain that Saddam has almost zero support in his own country. In North Korea, though, you think: Well, maybe most of the population really does feel this kind of pride. Certainly you come away from a trip to the demilitarized zone on the northern side feeling absolutely positive that if a conflict between South Korea and the U.S. troops in South Korea breaks out, these guys will gladly stand and fight to the death.






If these undeniably poorly treated people do feel a sense of pride, however misguided, in their country, do we really have the right to make war with them on their behalf? If the guy in the article is right and they would indeed fight to the death how many thousands would we have to kill before they were "liberated"?

I cant really see a war with N.Korea emerging anyway. I think countries like Syria and Iran are much more likely. But do we really have a moral obligation to the people of these countries to "liberate" them by killing them.

Fighting for peace, killing to liberate....

Is this the best we can come up with? If evolution is a game then we arent playing to clever right now!
If our humble leaders really had a burning desire to help humanity wouldnt a better place to start be Africa or Asia, where our help in building these countries would be gladly apreciated?
I wonder how much good u could do with the amount of money we have spent on the liberation of Iraq? or the amount we will spend if we do move on to liberate some more people by killing them.

If we were to really act in peace towards the world how many terrorists would it breed?you can just see it cant you "ahhh God damn Americans have staved off famine in Africa and saved lives of thousands,A pestilence upon them, I must kill them all
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InvisibleXlea321
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Re: North Korea - What would you do? [Re: GazzBut]
    #1443511 - 04/09/03 03:03 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

If only a country would come and invade the UK and US and rid the world of Blair and Bush...


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Re: North Korea - What would you do? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1443517 - 04/09/03 03:06 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

north korea will destroy the americans
sha allah


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Re: North Korea - What would you do? [Re: Thor]
    #1443525 - 04/09/03 03:09 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

God you guys dont waste anytime do you. Afganistan to iraq to N. Korea in a blink of an eye. We're not even finished in afganistan yet for christ sakes!


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Re: North Korea - What would you do? [Re: Thor]
    #1443527 - 04/09/03 03:10 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

I have to agree with Rono, Psilo, et al.

It isn't my problem. I wouldn't get involved. Neither would I have involved myself OR my country in the Middle East conflict. Why bother? It cannot be solved.

Amerika needs to mind it's own fucking business.

It is hard to hear of other people's suffering. But instead of it making me want to meddle in other's affairs, instead I roll up my sleeves and help them as much as I can personally.

This gives me peace of mind and the satisfaction that I am making a difference in the world I live in.

Cheers to "best Leader of the Shroomery",


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Re: North Korea - What would you do? [Re: ]
    #1443548 - 04/09/03 03:17 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

america does need to mind their own fucking bussiness
they already own the middleasy except syria and iran


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Anonymous

Re: North Korea - What would you do? [Re: arabmobster]
    #1443571 - 04/09/03 03:27 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

We have a saying here in America.

I don't have a dog in that fight.

But I do wish you guys could settle this without killing one another. :frown:


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InvisibleFloydian
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Re: North Korea - What would you do? [Re: ]
    #1443614 - 04/09/03 03:40 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

um, duder. I've once heard anyone say that. lol.


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Re: North Korea - What would you do? [Re: ]
    #1443636 - 04/09/03 03:47 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

Something has to be done, if not militarilly then something that will help to free the people and save them from their own leader.

Are we to sit idly by while millions die and suffer at the hands of an evil regime?

These were the questions the world asked before WWII, and look how that ended up.

Ignoring problems and hoping they will fix themselves is no way of living. We live in our lap of luxury in the west while other countries face horrible suffering.

I can't feel good about this world if we won't stand up and fight for those who can't.

Its a sad situation, and I do understand the lack of peoples desire for more war.. But appeasement and 'minding our own business' is allowing horrible attrocities all over the world.

People are arguing about how many civilians have died in the Iraq war, well how many Iraqi's would have died under Saddam and his sons in the next decade?

Sometimes we have to get our hands dirty, once this world is a democratic community instead of only pockets of freedom; then only then can we start considering the end of war as we know it.


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Re: North Korea - What would you do? [Re: Thor]
    #1443671 - 04/09/03 04:00 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

I hear ya Bro but I disagree.  You have a big heart but I think it is misguided.

Are you like my neighbor that interferes in my business? (how I run my household)

Don't you think it is rather presumptuous to declare what is good for someone else?

I mind my own business except for the personal help I give to others.  That satisfies the ache I have in my own heart over all the suffering.

And I am very careful about the help I give.

I tried a couple of times to help struggling couples in their marriages.  In the end I was labeled "the bad guy".  I learned not to help in that way anymore.

Philosophically speaking I do not think there will ever be an end to war or humans suffering at the hands of other humans.

When I was a politician I rode with the police one night.  We saw a young black women with a swollen mass on her blood soaked face.  It was explained to me that her husband had beat her again, this time with a baseball bat.  I will never forget her face. :frown:  Or when the officer I was riding with explained to me that it will probably happen again because she didn't know how to leave him. :frown:

So what do I do?  My wife and I give money to a "Safe Home" for battered women and children.


What do we don't do?

Go over to their house with our own baseball bat to help them "sort it out".

Does that make sense? 


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Invisiblez@z.com
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Re: North Korea - What would you do? [Re: ]
    #1443700 - 04/09/03 04:09 PM (20 years, 9 months ago)

So far in my life I have been in one fight. I saw a man punch the shit out of his wife and I beat the shit out of him. I don't know what happened to them after that, but I felt like what I did was justified. Hopefully she left that asshole.


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"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson


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