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woutah
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Re: Ignorant people thinking they know everything about psychedelics [Re: JimLahey]
#14434623 - 05/11/11 12:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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You could be a smart troll diverting people to actual facts about daytuWATCHTHEFUCKOUTHTa
Or you could be 50 year black old man telling youngsters not to take g'damn dayturam with their lsds these days..
either way i took a toke for you and wrote this post because you gave me the chuckle of my life while tripping
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Re: Ignorant people thinking they know everything about psychedelics [Re: JimLahey]
#14434777 - 05/11/11 12:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here are some peer reviewed papers... None have 'hole in brain' or any physiological damage... I am not defending chronic and excessive use... But she is not right in her arguments...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19040555 The pharmacology of lysergic acid diethylamide: a review. Passie T, Halpern JH, Stichtenoth DO, Emrich HM, Hintzen A. CNS Neurosci Ther. 2008 Winter;14(4):295-314. Quote: "LSD is physiologically well tolerated and psychological reactions can be controlled ..."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8251869 Adverse consequences of lysergic acid diethylamide. Abraham HD, Aldridge AM. Addiction. 1993 Oct;88(10):1327-34. Quote: "Evidence does not support claims of genetic disorders arising from hallucinogens."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10080051 Do hallucinogens cause residual neuropsychological toxicity? Halpern JH, Pope HG Jr. Drug Alcohol Depend. 1999 Feb 1;53(3):247-56. Quote: "At present, the literature tentatively suggests that there are few, if any, long-term neuropsychological deficits attributable to hallucinogen use."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14761703 Hallucinogens. Nichols DE. Pharmacol Ther. 2004 Feb;101(2):131-81. Quote: "Hallucinogens (psychedelics) are psychoactive substances that powerfully alter perception, mood, and a host of cognitive processes. They are considered physiologically safe and do not produce dependence or addiction."
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Re: Ignorant people thinking they know everything about psychedelics [Re: HarryL]
#14434871 - 05/11/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I hate when things like that happen, but with people like that, they won't change their mind.
This reminds me of a time with my friends when I was in high school (not as serious, just kind of funny), when we were talking about some ridiculous scenario, and I was like "imagine what it would be like on acid," cuz i was really fascinated about lsd at the time and had yet to do it, and my friend responded, "meh, but can you imagine what it would be like on LSD???" I just facepalmed that and explained to him that they were the same exact thing, and he was like "I'm pretty sure they're different." I just let that one go until he figured it out by himself.
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Re: Ignorant people thinking they know everything about psychedelics [Re: bdub]
#14435177 - 05/11/11 02:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i think people are scared of LSD because it's called "acid." oooooh, it must burn holes in shit! even people who don't take ANY substance are still high on drugs. the brain is made of neurons and drugs.
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Re: Ignorant people thinking they know everything about psychedelics [Re: joemolloy]
#14435931 - 05/11/11 05:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: The general public usually lumps all illegal drugs together under the banner of addictive, destructive, and dangerous for the user and society. To them the spectrum of safe and dangerous drugs is nonexistent. But don't ridicule or hate them for that. We have chosen a class of drugs that can be habit forming, can be destructive, and can be dangerous to the user and society, right? Perhaps there is plenty of bullshit exaggeration going on with both sides. Maybe we are the biased ones too. Maybe we elevate our drugs of choice to ridiculously high levels, "Hey man, its medicine." "Hey man, DNA was discovered with the help of LSD." Yet we often overlook the numerous broken minds that are further damaged by these drugs.
There may be plenty of ignorant bullshit coming from that classroom, but judge yourself just as harshly if you want to be fair.
I definitely see what you're saying. There's as much pro drug propaganda as anti-drug propaganda. The thing is that people tend to, like you said, lump all drugs together into the category of dangerous under all circumstances. Not all drugs are dangerous to the same degree, and some of them are arguably harmless. What irks me about it is that people assume that all drugs are bad in all circumstances, and that just isn't fair. I mean, I would argue that somebody who uses psychedelics occasionally, doesn't let it consume their lives, and remains a sane person, for example, has it under control. I think in many aspects, psychedelics are easier to keep in check than, say, heroin, or other physically addictive substances. It's unfair to put marijuana and heroin on the same level of "illegal drug".
I always analyze my beliefs and judge myself as harshly as I would judge others. That's part of why I always love hearing from you. You always have something to say that makes people think about themselves critically, rather than just saying "yeah, mean, fuck the government, everything should be legal". I can appreciate differing viewpoints, and I would argue that we have reasonably similar viewpoints on this matter. The difference would be that you have loads more experience than I do.
The problem I have is that she made claims about things she clearly didn't know much about. It would be different if she had argued that psychedelic drugs could, for example, diminish your motivation to be successful. If she had approached it in a respectful and reasonable way, and she had argued something that could actually be argued, things would be different. Instead, she was making statements that were false, and completely disregarding my sources, even though she didn't know what those sources were. She wrote off my claims as bullshit simply because I was arguing that maybe LSD doesn't physically destroy your brain. It's completely unfair.
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joemolloy said: There may be plenty of ignorant bullshit coming from that classroom, but judge yourself just as harshly if you want to be fair.
Absolutely, but if some dumb cunt told me mushrooms are smuggled into the US via Mexico and that LSD burns holes into my brain and other hilarious unscientific bullshit and at the same time has the nerve to tell ME that all MY sources are biased while she obviously got her information from Reefer Madness, she could blow me. It's a real surprise she didn't bring up the whole LSD accumulates in your spine thing. She's probably one of the retards that believe that all problems can be solved by praying to Jesus, too.
See, she's pretty level headed when it comes to most things. Some people are just raised so violently anti-drug that the possibility that some of the things they've been raised upon are wrong. It really surprised me that she was so adamant in her beliefs about something she really didn't know much about. That, and like you said, writing off my sources as nonsense was extremely disrespectful because she didn't even know where I had gotten my information, and she didn't provide any evidence to her claim.
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Re: Ignorant people thinking they know everything about psychedelics [Re: Psilosomniac]
#14436213 - 05/11/11 06:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sorry to hear it vgreg. On the plus side, it doesn't hurt anything. She is probably no more or less rabidly anti drug than before. And that's why I do it, that's why I explain it to people, because most of the time there is nothing to be lost, and much to be gained. There are exceptions, I have to be real careful around family and younger people, because I don't want to give them the wrong impression. But I have shown some people the light, slightly, and I think it's the only way this drug war will end. person to person. And maybe we'll still lose, but I will know I tried.
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Re: Ignorant people thinking they know everything about psychedelics [Re: PoisonCrazy]
#14436304 - 05/11/11 06:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's a shame what 60 years of government propaganda did, does, and is doing to these young people and there parents and grandparents. I love how all of them are on prescrition drugs for mental illnesses and shit. You wanta talk about fucked up drugs look at the antidepressants there putting are children on. Or the adderral which is worse then cocaine after years of daily use and having to increase the dosage. Really makes me shed tears when i think about how fucked this world is.
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Re: Ignorant people thinking they know everything about psychedelics [Re: Love2trip]
#14436844 - 05/11/11 08:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Love2trip said: You wanta talk about fucked up drugs look at the antidepressants there putting are children on. Or the adderral which is worse then cocaine after years of daily use and having to increase the dosage. Really makes me shed tears when i think about how fucked this world is.
Exactly
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Re: Ignorant people thinking they know everything about psychedelics [Re: Psilosomniac]
#14437113 - 05/11/11 09:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I know, there's so much disinformation out there....
people hear a story, and since they aren't smart enough (or not interested enough) to do any research, they accept what they hear as fact. Besides, when it gets reinforced over and over again, they are going to believe it.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it"

It's easy to do some research on the internet and find quality information on all drugs...I don't see how people can still believe some of this crap
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Re: Ignorant people thinking they know everything about psychedelics [Re: woutah]
#14437640 - 05/11/11 10:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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woutah said: You could be a smart troll diverting people to actual facts about daytuWATCHTHEFUCKOUTHTa
Or you could be 50 year black old man telling youngsters not to take g'damn dayturam with their lsds these days..
either way i took a toke for you and wrote this post because you gave me the chuckle of my life while tripping
Dude is trippin face
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Re: Ignorant people thinking they know everything about psychedelics [Re: Seriously_Spaced]
#14438072 - 05/12/11 12:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Really dude? Seriously spaced You think marijuana alone cannot cause cancer? Smoking isn't healthy at all I smoke weed don't get me wrong but common dude use ur head. If you use common sense any rational person would agree smoking weed while definitely no where near dangerous when used responsibley, but ist healthy and probably could cause cancer but we will never know because you can't conduct a cause and effect study for it.
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Re: Ignorant people thinking they know everything about psychedelics [Re: skiddy]
#14438552 - 05/12/11 03:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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For a little story :
A week ago i met a friend that only smoke weed and was very afraid of Psychedelic saying that it's dommaged the brain, and make you stupid and stuff. He also said that you can being schizo and the trip will never end. Anyway i met him a weekend and i ask him if he want to try a smooth psychedelic (4-ho-met), he was very hesitating but still drop the caps ! When he was feeling the molecule he told me : Oooooh man, now i understand what you said, damn that's amazing, i can't describe it myself ! Saturday he really loves it that he tripped again, now he wants to try 2C-D, 4-HO-MIPT, LSD and Shrooms :P
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Re: Ignorant people thinking they know everything about psychedelics [Re: GoddessOfLove]
#14439700 - 05/12/11 11:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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HofmannBlotter said: For a little story :
A week ago i met a friend that only smoke weed and was very afraid of Psychedelic saying that it's dommaged the brain, and make you stupid and stuff. He also said that you can being schizo and the trip will never end. Anyway i met him a weekend and i ask him if he want to try a smooth psychedelic (4-ho-met), he was very hesitating but still drop the caps ! When he was feeling the molecule he told me : Oooooh man, now i understand what you said, damn that's amazing, i can't describe it myself ! Saturday he really loves it that he tripped again, now he wants to try 2C-D, 4-HO-MIPT, LSD and Shrooms :P
Finally decided to think for himself huh?
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Re: Ignorant people thinking they know everything about psychedelics [Re: drr]
#14440030 - 05/12/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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drr said:
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HofmannBlotter said: For a little story :
A week ago i met a friend that only smoke weed and was very afraid of Psychedelic saying that it's dommaged the brain, and make you stupid and stuff. He also said that you can being schizo and the trip will never end. Anyway i met him a weekend and i ask him if he want to try a smooth psychedelic (4-ho-met), he was very hesitating but still drop the caps ! When he was feeling the molecule he told me : Oooooh man, now i understand what you said, damn that's amazing, i can't describe it myself ! Saturday he really loves it that he tripped again, now he wants to try 2C-D, 4-HO-MIPT, LSD and Shrooms :P
Finally decided to think for himself huh?
i dont know if caving to your friends pressure to try psychedelics is "thinking for himself" o.o
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Re: Ignorant people thinking they know everything about psychedelics [Re: drr]
#14440063 - 05/12/11 12:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just a tip: You can turn people on to pot and acid without ever mentioning that you do it. I don't tell people that I do drugs, I tell people that I read about drugs. There's always going to be these friends of friends, and I find it's best never to let them get close. Ever.
There's also the people who know some things about psychedelics, that thing they know a lot. I know I'm always learning, so I try not to be like that. Hence, my sig. "I may give bad advice" But I do like turning people on to this kind of stuff though, and generally there's usually 2 speeches I give (not professionally). Shamanism, and neurotransmitters. By now, these are pretty much scripted.
Shamanism: Shamanism isn't anything alien or obscure. It's not a precursor to religion either. It's simply how religions were practiced in every region of the world until a few hundred years ago. If they didn't have psychedelics, then they would have ordeals and ordeal poisons. This isn't tradition, or ceremony, or archaic. The purpose is to find the self. The reason why it was in every region of the world is because a culture by definition denies the self's right to exist, and so every culture has a need for it. If the culture doesn't have the individuals/foundation well defined, they become neurotic and martial. It's unfortunate that the Catholic church has burned these bridges into the past - the histories of all the cultures they over-powered and suppressed. They make it seem like they've been the only game in town for the last 2,000 years too, but the witch hunts were all about suppressing these old shamanic wise-women of Europe. The difference between shamanic culture and a "modern" culture is that the shaman sees the value of having the individual explore, and not just the culture expand. While the culture looks at how your cloths are funny looking and how you smell funny, the shaman looks through that and can see you.
And neurotransmitters: When you see the Eiffel Tower, do you have a miniature Eiffel Tower in your head? No. You have the image or reflection of the Eiffle Tower. Your image/reality is brought to you by the neurotransmitter serotonin (among others). A lot of the most sought after psychedelics (psilocybe mushrooms, mescaline, lsd, dmt, ibogaine, etc) attach to the serotonin receptors. Naturally your image of the Eiffel tower is going to be one off as well. So, you can see how this isn't a war on drugs, it's a war on mind states (1st Amendment?). There isn't any "ideal" or virgin or perfect state either. It's always changing. You think it's the same when you're sleeping, or angry?. And just because it's a foreign substance doesn't mean anything, because we need water, oxygen, and food. One of the things you look for as far as damage is how quickly it's metabolized, and if it damages the nerves. As far as I'm concerned, the laws "protecting" us from psychedelics (mind states) are no different than the laws "protecting" slaves from the burdens of freedom. If they mention anything about addiction, I bring up ibogaine. If you want to see damage, it's from party drugs and anti-psychotics that take the cake.
This is what harm from drugs looks like:
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Edited by maug (05/12/11 01:23 PM)
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