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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Silversoul] * 1
    #14425802 - 05/09/11 05:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

but as the money gets flooded into the market what do you expect to happen? and still, "too big to fail" the taxpayers did not even have a say on the issue.

the Chinese are getting rid of their US dollars at an insane rate, but are doing it through buying commodities so it doesnt look like theyre just trying to get rid of them.

We just need smaller government, i mean if you watch the debates, look at those fuckers besides paul. Look at the way they smile and look at RP, look at the way the MSM treats him. He is obviously disrupting things for the people up top, and that means benefit for the people who normally get screwed during an economic collapse.

and RP repeatedly predicted the collapse even back in 2002..

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14425951 - 05/09/11 05:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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but as the money gets flooded into the market what do you expect to happen?



Define "flooding."  And furthermore, who's flooding the market, and where's the money going?  If it's being loaned by the banks, then I'd have to know whether that money is going toward productive capital formation, or bidding up asset prices.

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and still, "too big to fail" the taxpayers did not even have a say on the issue.



I agree, that was fucked up.  The banks should have gone into receivership so the government could write off their debts and sell off their assets.

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the Chinese are getting rid of their US dollars at an insane rate, but are doing it through buying commodities so it doesnt look like theyre just trying to get rid of them.



We still have the power to issue our own money.  The whole fallacy that we need to get our money from overseas lenders is a relic of the gold standard that simply isn't necessary anymore.

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We just need smaller government, i mean if you watch the debates, look at those fuckers besides paul.



What, you mean the other Republicans?  Yeah, they're pretty fucked up.  Except for Gary Johnson.  He's like Ron Paul minus the crazy.

As for smaller government, there are ways of shrinking government that I can get behind, but not the kind that Ron Paul is advocating.  He's advocating smaller government based on a flawed economic ideology.  If we can just recognize how money actually works and how economic rents distort capital allocation, then I'd be willing to have a discussion about the size of government.  And I actually think there are ways the government could do more with less if we go about it the right way.  But I'm not going to start from the premise of small government and then look for an economic ideology that shuts its ears to any other input.

See, the irony is that as much as libertarians annoy the shit out of me, I actually consider myself somewhat of a left-libertarian.  I believe in smart ways to reduce government that don't stick it to poor and underprivileged.  The kind of reductions most libertarians talk about are pretty much guaranteed to impoverish large swathes of the population and massively increase wealth inequality.

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Look at the way they smile and look at RP, look at the way the MSM treats him. He is obviously disrupting things for the people up top, and that means benefit for the people who normally get screwed during an economic collapse.



Honestly, I like a lot of what of what he has to say on things like drug policy and foreign policy.  But not going to let him off the hook on the destructive economic ideas he has.

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and RP repeatedly predicted the collapse even back in 2002..



And Fred Harrison warned Gordon Brown about it as far back as 1997.  In fact, using the same methodology, I can tell you when the next land bubble will burst:  2026, give or take a year.  Failing a sudden revival of countercyclical policy or a shift towards taxing economic rents, you can take that advise straight to the bank.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14426016 - 05/09/11 06:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

But the thing is,we can have our own currency but since we are a nation who rarely produces, the only reason our currency is so valuble is because it is the world reserve currency. Soeven though there isnt much demand for US goods, we can just print money and have it accepted full value because to buy oil anywhere in the world you need US dollars, there is always a demand.


But if what is happening continues, and we lose our spot and thereserve currnecy demand for the Dollar will plummit and it could be the next great depression. Russia and China have made it so they no longer need to convert to USD to exchange goods, and the Arab states are combining and making their own currency.

Im considering taking all of my money and putting it into silver. Have to ditch this paper we have..

And i understand they were given the money to loan out, but even at that it only worls well because the dollars value holds well all over the world. If and when the dollar fails what than?

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14426033 - 05/09/11 06:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Then it's armageddon bro


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14426056 - 05/09/11 06:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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realfuzzhead said:
But the thing is,we can have our own currency but since we are a nation who rarely produces, the only reason our currency is so valuble is because it is the world reserve currency. Soeven though there isnt much demand for US goods, we can just print money and have it accepted full value because to buy oil anywhere in the world you need US dollars, there is always a demand.

But if what is happening continues, and we lose our spot and thereserve currnecy demand for the Dollar will plummit and it could be the next great depression. Russia and China have made it so they no longer need to convert to USD to exchange goods, and the Arab states are combining and making their own currency.



Then our currency depreciates, which actually means that American goods will be cheaper and we can get back to producing goods and services.

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Im considering taking all of my money and putting it into silver. Have to ditch this paper we have..



All of it?  Does your local grocery store accept silver coins?  Money is supposed to circulate, so the idea that it should increase in value forever is stupid.  You need money for the short term, and that's what it's there for.  Gold and silver are great hedges against inflation, but they're a lousy way to run a monetary system.

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And i understand they were given the money to loan out, but even at that it only worls well because the dollars value holds well all over the world. If and when the dollar fails what than?



Then, as I said, we can get back to producing things.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Silversoul]
    #14426884 - 05/09/11 09:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

my bad not ALL, i meant my savings passed down to me put away for a 4 year degree and what not. If i would of just done it when Wiccan told me to less than a year ago I would be like 30-40% up

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14430232 - 05/10/11 03:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #14430429 - 05/10/11 03:36 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:strokebeard2: indeed

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #14430562 - 05/10/11 04:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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you know why we should vote for Ron Paul? look how fucking terrified FOx is of him!




By that logic you should be giving heavily to Obama's campaign right now.





lol... fox isnt afraid of obama, fox is the only ones attacking him, he
banned fox from the whitehouse because they didnt want to play the same
suck on obama's wiener game the MSM has been playing

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #14430845 - 05/10/11 05:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/05/10/juan-williams-surprising-rise-rep-ron-paul/#content


:strokebeard2:




hundreds of people have been calling Fox news non-stop telling them how absolutely embarrassing it has been to watch them distort the polls and that they are losing all credibility.

:strokebeard:

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead] * 1
    #14432822 - 05/11/11 12:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14432916 - 05/11/11 12:43 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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hundreds of people have been calling Fox news non-stop telling them how absolutely embarrassing it has been to watch them distort the polls and that they are losing all credibility.

:strokebeard:



there are people who thought Fox news had credibility?

:strokebeard2:

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #14432949 - 05/11/11 12:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Realistically no and that much should be apparent from his last attempt at election. He has some good ideas but some of them are just so far out there that even his own party won't attach their face to him.

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2] * 2
    #15562694 - 12/23/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

he is the only republican that can take a vote away from obama


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #15563855 - 12/23/11 07:21 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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I give him about a 10% chance of getting the nomination, if he gets that I give him a 40% chance of beating Obama.

I hope he doesn't get elected. I don't want anyone in office who is so anti-choice.




:lolwut:

he's a liberatarian leaning republican how is he anti-choice, especially compared to obummer.




I'll let Ron Paul explain it to you

"Abortion on demand is the ultimate State tyranny; the State simply declares that certain classes of human beings are not persons, and therefore not entitled to the protection of the law. The State protects the "right" of some people to kill others, just as the courts protected the "property rights" of slave masters in their slaves. Moreover, by this method the State achieves a goal common to all totalitarian regimes: it sets us against each other, so that our energies are spent in the struggle between State-created classes, rather than in freeing all individuals from the State. Unlike Nazi Germany, which forcibly sent millions to the gas chambers (as well as forcing abortion and sterilization upon many more), the new regime has enlisted the assistance of millions of people to act as its agents in carrying out a program of mass murder."

Equating abortion to mass murder. There you have it.

All you Ron Paul acolytes should take a look at the actual policies he espouses. It's great that he wants to legalize pot, hooray, but at what cost? Everybody just gets all wet in their panties because he'll openly say that weed should be legal, but he's also a racist and anti-choice. Just another old white man who thinks he knows what is best for a woman's uterus.

Fuck Ron Paul





he is a obgyn.  of course he is going to be against aborton but that seems to be insignificant once you start looking into the rest of the issues.  there will never be a perfect candidate who has 100% of your views.  and really abortion is pretty fucked up.     
  if you geted knocked up cause youur a ho and you just dont want to have the kid, then why not give it up for adoption, and at least let your body deal with the experience of childbirth.  you were being a ho so accept at least some of the consequences.  i mean why is it ok to have a termination at 5 mo. of pregnancy but wrong to decide to do the same a day after birth.  or the crack whore who has the baby in secret without anyone even knowing she was pregnant, and decides to just kill it herself as soom as its born by putting it in a trashbag tossing it in a dumpster? whats the difference? other than the method of termination?


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: KThunderland]
    #15563973 - 12/23/11 07:48 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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he is the only republican that can take a vote away from obama



There have probably been a hundred L. Ron threads and tens of thousands of L. Ron posts in the last seven months and you bump this? :banbanban:

By the way, he has no chance.  None.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
    #15564197 - 12/23/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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he is the only republican that can take a vote away from obama



There have probably been a hundred L. Ron threads and tens of thousands of L. Ron posts in the last seven months and you bump this? :banbanban:

By the way, he has no chance.  None.





So says the biased zappaisgod.


Let's see, Ron Paul is in first place in Iowa and second place in New Hampshire.  He is also third place nationally and the republican establishment is pissing their pants trying to trash Ron Paul every chance they got.  I'd say he has a pretty good chance.

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #15564228 - 12/23/11 08:51 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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he is the only republican that can take a vote away from obama



There have probably been a hundred L. Ron threads and tens of thousands of L. Ron posts in the last seven months and you bump this? :banbanban:

By the way, he has no chance.  None.





So says the biased zappaisgod.


Let's see, Ron Paul is in first place in Iowa and second place in New Hampshire.  He is also third place nationally and the republican establishment is pissing their pants trying to trash Ron Paul every chance they got.  I'd say he has a pretty good chance.

:ronpaul:



Why is it a bias if, when I first heard about the guy like 5 years ago or so I checked him out, saw some good stuff, dug deeper, and found THE REST OF THE FUCKING STUFF!  He's a fucking crank.  I checked it out.  I know more about him than you do.  There is no bias.  I come by my hatred cognitively and with no malice aforethought.  I really did check him out.  Quite a while ago.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #15564327 - 12/23/11 09:07 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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KThunderland said:
he is the only republican that can take a vote away from obama



There have probably been a hundred L. Ron threads and tens of thousands of L. Ron posts in the last seven months and you bump this? :banbanban:

By the way, he has no chance.  None.



Ron isnt far behind according to this poll http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/05/10/juan-williams-surprising-rise-rep-ron-paul/#content

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #15564606 - 12/23/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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:ronpaul:

Why is it a bias if, when I first heard about the guy like 5 years ago or so I checked him out, saw some good stuff, dug deeper, and found THE REST OF THE FUCKING STUFF!  He's a fucking crank.  I checked it out.  I know more about him than you do.  There is no bias.  I come by my hatred cognitively and with no malice aforethought.  I really did check him out.  Quite a while ago.




I'll admit for awhile there that I thought this guy was the bees knees until I finally decided to look into him. The closer he gets to my voting booth, the further away I want him to be.

Obama deserves a second term so we can see what can really do. Government failouts and all that other garbage - there's gotta be some hope for this poor fuck. He was thrown into some bullshit, but then again really let a lot of big campaign promises slip through his fingers. Moreso than I thought I'd see.





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