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WBS soaked for too long?
    #14431258 - 05/10/11 06:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So I let about 3200 ML of WBS soak in warm water for about 17 hours in my closet. After spooning the floaters, draining and soaking I noticed a good amount of the sunflower seed had started cracking or germinating. I also noticed some of the grain had what seemed like roots coming out with a couple a little squished.

Perhaps I had soaked too much at a time? Or maybe my temps were too high and I should shorten the soak. I've already PC'd the jars and I'm ready to inoculate tomorrow if someone can confirm the jars are still good to go. I appreciate any help greatly, so thanks in advance :smile:


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Re: WBS soaked for too long? [Re: SNiPerXP]
    #14431276 - 05/10/11 06:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

They shood still be good, idk why they would germinate so quickly probably the temp. Ive soaked for 48 hours on accident and been just fine after an hour 15 psi PC.  Your good.


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Re: WBS soaked for too long? [Re: SNiPerXP]
    #14431289 - 05/10/11 06:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

soak in cold water always man. go for 12-24 hrs and dont worry that happens sometimes its still good. Trust me, im a republican.


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Re: WBS soaked for too long? [Re: Ron Paul]
    #14431468 - 05/10/11 07:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

damn, 17 hours is a short germination time.....Ive accidently soaked for 48 hours and nothing sprouted


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Re: WBS soaked for too long? [Re: Ron Paul]
    #14431470 - 05/10/11 07:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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soak in cold water always man. go for 12-24 hrs and dont worry that happens sometimes its still good. Trust me, im a republican.



Actually sir, you always want to soak your grains beginning with the scalding hot water.  Beginning the soak with scalding hot water helps prevent grains from germinating and causes the grains to absorb the water better.


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Re: WBS soaked for too long? [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
    #14431505 - 05/10/11 07:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:whathesaid:

thats what i beleive  maybe not scalding hott


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Re: WBS soaked for too long? [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
    #14431525 - 05/10/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i hit em with warm but not scalding water and i skim all the sunflower seeds befor ei soaks and my typical shit goes for like 24 hrs bc my work schedule...i say shits good


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Re: WBS soaked for too long? [Re: treewood69]
    #14431539 - 05/10/11 07:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I've never soaked in hott water. Always cold and results have always been great. Not saying soaking in hott water is bad, but if you soak in hott water I would think you wouldn't want to soak as long.


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Re: WBS soaked for too long? [Re: monkey_massacre]
    #14431613 - 05/10/11 07:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It's possible your grains will take up a bit tooo much water if you soak with hot- but unlikely. Just make sure it's at about field capacity by taking a fistful and squeezing the water out. It should go drip.. drip.. like once every second or so- not a stream or anything.

If the grains are too saturated it can cause problems with bacteria- so either squeeze the excess water out or perhaps bake/desiccate them for just a bit (I've never done this).


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Re: WBS soaked for too long? [Re: Jeerix]
    #14431640 - 05/10/11 08:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Not a pro or anything but I believe with grains they should feel almost dry to the touch. You should be able to but some on a piece of toilet paper and it show very little moisture on the tp. I don't believe the squeezing thing is the way to test grains. But like I said I'm no pro.


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Re: WBS soaked for too long? [Re: monkey_massacre]
    #14433722 - 05/11/11 07:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Not a pro or anything but I believe with grains they should feel almost dry to the touch. You should be able to but some on a piece of toilet paper and it show very little moisture on the tp. I don't believe the squeezing thing is the way to test grains. But like I said I'm no pro.




Yea, that's how RR does it in his movie. They did seem a tad wet, but didn't leave too bad of a mark on paper towels and I did let them drain for 30 minutes. I guess I'll definitely still give these jars a try, as to not waste 7 Jars, haha.


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Re: WBS soaked for too long? [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
    #14433844 - 05/11/11 08:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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soak in cold water always man. go for 12-24 hrs and dont worry that happens sometimes its still good. Trust me, im a republican.



Actually sir, you always want to soak your grains beginning with the scalding hot water.  Beginning the soak with scalding hot water helps prevent grains from germinating and causes the grains to absorb the water better.





Thats why after soaking, you wash them off and simmer them for about 20-30mins.


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Re: WBS soaked for too long? [Re: semaphore]
    #14434266 - 05/11/11 10:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You should be fine anyways though. As long as they weren't too wet you'll be fine. Everyone has their own way of soaking grains and most will work just fine. Let us know how it turns out and good luck


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Re: WBS soaked for too long? [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
    #14434309 - 05/11/11 10:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Ron Paul said:
soak in cold water always man. go for 12-24 hrs and dont worry that happens sometimes its still good. Trust me, im a republican.



Actually sir, you always want to soak your grains beginning with the scalding hot water.  Beginning the soak with scalding hot water helps prevent grains from germinating and causes the grains to absorb the water better.





Cold water ftw, seeds need heat to germinate they grow in the summer not the winter.


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Re: WBS soaked for too long? [Re: sporesmores420]
    #14435076 - 05/11/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Thats why after soaking, you wash them off and simmer them for about 20-30mins.




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Cold water ftw, seeds need heat to germinate they grow in the summer not the winter.




I'd like to refer you two fine young gentlemen to this this post here. 

Rinsing grains after the soak is optional.  I always begin the soak of my grains (be them WBS or rye) with the hottest water that will come out of the tap.  I rinse my WBS prior to the soak, until the water comes back crystal clear.  Soak, boil, strain, load, sterilize, inoculate, colonize, spawn to bulk, fruit.



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Re: WBS soaked for too long? [Re: Doctor_Inoc]
    #14435842 - 05/11/11 05:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"Rinsing grains after the soak is optional."


rinsing fixed all my problems.  I would always wetspot mold if i didnt.

Maybe I just drain them better after I rinse.:shrug:


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Re: WBS soaked for too long? [Re: treewood69]
    #14436046 - 05/11/11 05:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Wetspot is a symptom of incorrect (overly hydrated) grain moisture content upon being loaded into their containers for sterilization and/or improper sterile technique upon inoculation, not so much whether or not the grains are rinsed.  Rinsing does help by removing the excess dirt and grime on the surfaces of the seed.

Sorry for the confusion I'v created.  What I meant by "rinsing grains after the soak is optional", is that the option to rinse the grains before or after soak is entirely up to the individual cultivator.  I always rinse my grains before the soak, repeatedly until the water comes back crystal clear.


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