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Dropping out of most of the game
    #14431079 - 05/10/11 06:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Anyone here ever take lsd or mushrooms and decide to drop out of most of the game?



If you answer yes than you know the meaning of this thread.    :psybong:


Reason I say 'most' of the game is cause I think for most people at least you have to be somewhat involved in some part of the game somehow unless you just sit on a couch all day /everyday. :syringe:


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: skatealex2]
    #14431130 - 05/10/11 06:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Somebody thinks that/ gets really paranoid until the trip is over and decides someone wants more drugs and or money lmao.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: hippi1287]
    #14431194 - 05/10/11 06:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ya man I've completely stopped smoking and pill popping after a trip once. But I don't think I can give up pyschadelics


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: skatealex2]
    #14431203 - 05/10/11 06:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Happens every time i trip hard, I think about going to prison ruining my life etc. and even cried one time.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: Soluminia]
    #14431207 - 05/10/11 06:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

by game do u mean the rate race? american dream? over achieving? etc...

if so, then yes... the more i dose the more i long to abandon everything and give the vagrant life a shot..... im going to head across country for a few months at the beginning of next yet and see how i like being untied and completely free/wandering the world as i please....


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: Soluminia]
    #14431218 - 05/10/11 06:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

tripping has got me wanting to be my own game. Fuck everything else I am moving to MI to farm raise fish and grow lettuce. I pretty much grew enough veggies for myself in a 20x40 patch to have stuff to eat all year by making canned soups and stews. I bought meat to go in them but if I raise fish and grow veggies with the poop then trade fish/veggies on craigslist for meats I think I should do ok foodwise.

I have a retirement plan and a 401k so I can feel a little better about the future but as far as working for the "man" just to get trounced on when there is an economic downturn I am DUN.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: Soluminia]
    #14431237 - 05/10/11 06:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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stranger_danger said:
by game do u mean the rate race? american dream? over achieving? etc...

if so, then yes... the more i dose the more i long to abandon everything and give the vagrant life a shot..... im going to head across country for a few months at the beginning of next yet and see how i like being untied and completely free/wandering the world as i please....





yea i pretty much mean the rat race, achieving hard/over working.......... i don't mean to say being completely lazy but just to drop out of maybe socio-status type of endeavors.


myself i have my games. i want to try to work to make a band at some point but not for social status- just cause itd be cool to work on good music and vibe with people, but i dont care to be famous or something.
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Ya man I've completely stopped smoking and pill popping after a trip once. But I don't think I can give up pyschadelics




i dont mean to completely stop using drugs either tho this thread can be interpreted however , but ive gotten that too after a trip.  once after lsd i wouldnt even have interest to drink even a beer for a long time.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: argg]
    #14431243 - 05/10/11 06:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I will trip 24/7 during my campaign. come see me on the trail for free blotters and doobies. You bring the boobies we bring the doobies.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: Ron Paul]
    #14431262 - 05/10/11 06:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

YES
(thats why mushrooms are illegal)


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: Vsnares.Zappa]
    #14431334 - 05/10/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I used to be addicted to THE game. Making money was my life along with smoking weed 24/7. Ever since I met Lucy I no longer sell, I no longer smoke, and I no longer drink to get shit faced (We'll most of the time). But now I can actually just have 'one' drink and not feel the need to drink more.

I exercise more, I read more, I go outside more, watch less TV... and when I do watch TV it's usually some documentary. 

Only problem with this is I fell in love with Lucy. I was doing it a lot and each time I improved myself in life someway. Haha and my last trip I thought about how I should trip less.

I feel like tripping is like 10 hours of awesomeness, and a year of maturity comes with it.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: Vsnares.Zappa]
    #14431348 - 05/10/11 07:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think im dropping out of the lsd game.
Thank you lsd. My time will come further down the road but as for now my box full of psychedelics are being packed away until I have a career & stable life.

That is my mindset right now post trip


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: erikksonb] * 1
    #14431582 - 05/10/11 07:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The game is just a series of paths that you need to follow or blaze in order to pay for your internet connection, your drugs, your tunes, your car, your ability to travel, your gourmet meals, your clothes and all the rest.  Not to mention, playing the game intelligently will get you all of the above and more, but it can also get you topnotch pussy and possibly a quality wife.

If anything, psychedelics probably fuck up a lot people's ability to shrewdly play the game by turning them into thoughtful, do-nothings with vague grievances against the maaaan.  Fuck that, use your own intelligence and abilities to play their fucking game and change, bend, and break the rules so at least you can enjoy and maybe even look forward to playing it.  And don't fool yourself into thinking shrooms give you an edge, they give you a retard handicap.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: joemolloy]
    #14431625 - 05/10/11 08:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

After every trip it just makes me see everything do what it friend is even more. Slot
Of what I see isn't good when it comes to this world.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: joemolloy]
    #14431649 - 05/10/11 08:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Fuck that, use your own intelligence and abilities to play their fucking game and change, bend, and break the rules so at least you can enjoy and maybe even look forward to playing it.




sry i wont screw the entire world like the international bankers are screwing us.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: k00laid]
    #14431657 - 05/10/11 08:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Fuck that, use your own intelligence and abilities to play their fucking game and change, bend, and break the rules so at least you can enjoy and maybe even look forward to playing it.




sry i wont screw the entire world like the international bankers are screwing us.




Then don't screw the world.  But that doesn't preclude you playing successfully and happily.  Open your mind a bit.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: joemolloy]
    #14431661 - 05/10/11 08:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The game is just a series of paths that you need to follow or blaze in order to pay for your internet connection, your drugs, your tunes, your car, your ability to travel, your gourmet meals, your clothes and all the rest.  Not to mention, playing the game intelligently will get you all of the above and more, but it can also get you topnotch pussy and possibly a quality wife.

If anything, psychedelics probably fuck up a lot people's ability to shrewdly play the game by turning them into thoughtful, do-nothings with vague grievances against the maaaan.  Fuck that, use your own intelligence and abilities to play their fucking game and change, bend, and break the rules so at least you can enjoy and maybe even look forward to playing it.  And don't fool yourself into thinking shrooms give you an edge, they give you a retard handicap.




Probably because i'm still affect from an lsd/dmt full day but explain what you mean by the shrooms and hadicap. I followed everything you said but that. By the way those were good words.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: erikksonb]
    #14431695 - 05/10/11 08:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

These drugs scramble your shit.  I know you probably think your mind is opened now that you've experienced what psychedelics have to offer, but I argue they actually serve no positive benefit especially when it comes to one's ability to think clearly, insightfully, critically or logically.  Hell, one poster on here, strangerdanger, says the more he trips the more he wants to give the vagrant lifestyle a chance.  Is that the type of progress and life you want?  If so, by all means keep eating the shrooms and let the wind and your psychedelic inspired thoughts lead the way.

Or take a step back and reassess your new ideas with a sober mind.

The drugs tend to imprison rather than free.  They may open your mind to absolute nonsense but that handicaps you, no?  Its counter-intuitive to imagine these drugs as shackles rather than keys. Ain't that quite a psychedelic thought?


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: joemolloy]
    #14431720 - 05/10/11 08:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't understand what youre saying. I'll come back with a clear mind later on because this sounds like a good point I am trying the fathom


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: erikksonb]
    #14431765 - 05/10/11 08:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I plan on being a EMT/Nurse. I feel like that will provide for me without me feeling like I'm playing "the game". I'll be helping people and I'll have a job that doesn't require me to sell things to people.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: joemolloy]
    #14431881 - 05/10/11 08:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The game is just a series of paths that you need to follow or blaze in order to pay for your internet connection, your drugs, your tunes, your car, your ability to travel, your gourmet meals, your clothes and all the rest.  Not to mention, playing the game intelligently will get you all of the above and more, but it can also get you topnotch pussy and possibly a quality wife.

If anything, psychedelics probably fuck up a lot people's ability to shrewdly play the game by turning them into thoughtful, do-nothings with vague grievances against the maaaan.  Fuck that, use your own intelligence and abilities to play their fucking game and change, bend, and break the rules so at least you can enjoy and maybe even look forward to playing it.  And don't fool yourself into thinking shrooms give you an edge, they give you a retard handicap.




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These drugs scramble your shit.  I know you probably think your mind is opened now that you've experienced what psychedelics have to offer, but I argue they actually serve no positive benefit especially when it comes to one's ability to think clearly, insightfully, critically or logically.  Hell, one poster on here, strangerdanger, says the more he trips the more he wants to give the vagrant lifestyle a chance.  Is that the type of progress and life you want?  If so, by all means keep eating the shrooms and let the wind and your psychedelic inspired thoughts lead the way.

Or take a step back and reassess your new ideas with a sober mind.

The drugs tend to imprison rather than free.  They may open your mind to absolute nonsense but that handicaps you, no?  Its counter-intuitive to imagine these drugs as shackles rather than keys. Ain't that quite a psychedelic thought?



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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: joemolloy]
    #14431986 - 05/10/11 09:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

These drugs are tools and the result  depends on the way you handle them.I genuinely believe that there is some positive aspects about psychedelics. It's not the key to ultimate knowledge.But nothing is.

In moderate use, it can enhance the creativity of the user. Steve Jobs,for example, created Apple and he did lsd, quite a few times. He sure gets pussy and money.but anyway, pussy + money does not equal happiness.
I think ''THE GAME'' is the true prison.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: Vsnares.Zappa]
    #14432134 - 05/10/11 09:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The game is whatever you make it.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: Dr Cid]
    #14432186 - 05/10/11 09:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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joemolloy said:
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k00laid said:
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joemolloy said:
Fuck that, use your own intelligence and abilities to play their fucking game and change, bend, and break the rules so at least you can enjoy and maybe even look forward to playing it.




sry i wont screw the entire world like the international bankers are screwing us.




Then don't screw the world.  But that doesn't preclude you playing successfully and happily.  Open your mind a bit.




and being successful doesn't preclude being happy. But if you take into account all the ways in which capitalism and all of the ecological and sociological problems that come out of it thrives on the desire that we have to have the stuff that it's trying to sell us, then being "successful" in the conventional sense DOES include screwing the world over


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: joemolloy] * 1
    #14432210 - 05/10/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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These drugs scramble your shit.  I know you probably think your mind is opened now that you've experienced what psychedelics have to offer, but I argue they actually serve no positive benefit especially when it comes to one's ability to think clearly, insightfully, critically or logically.  Hell, one poster on here, strangerdanger, says the more he trips the more he wants to give the vagrant lifestyle a chance.  Is that the type of progress and life you want?  If so, by all means keep eating the shrooms and let the wind and your psychedelic inspired thoughts lead the way.

Or take a step back and reassess your new ideas with a sober mind.

The drugs tend to imprison rather than free.  They may open your mind to absolute nonsense but that handicaps you, no?  Its counter-intuitive to imagine these drugs as shackles rather than keys. Ain't that quite a psychedelic thought?




I think it definitely depends on the individual.  I mean, if you take psychedelics and come back thinking you would benefit from living a life abiding by the rules of some obscure Eastern religion, and that you shouldn't go to work, and play "the game", it turns you into a nonproductive member of society, which is obviously a bad thing, even if you do think that playing the game is sucking up to the man or whatever.

I just think if you come back less productive than before, it's not a good thing.  I think lots of people can take psychedelics and remain productive members of society while still believing they have benefited from the experience.  I think there's lots of potential for self improvement without decreasing your function in society.  This was a big thing I was thinking about:  do psychedelics turn you into an unproductive member of society?  I don't think this is always the case.  However, that doesn't mean it's never the case, and when it is, I would argue that its use is detrimental.  I have a similar belief in regards to escapism.  Once you start taking a drug to escape from your life, your drug use becomes an issue not only to society, but also to yourself.  People who use drugs for escapism are doing much more harm than they would care to admit.

Individual results may vary.  It's just like how milk isn't really bad for you, unless you are lactose intolerant.  That is an extreme case in which most people benefit, but you get the picture.  There are definitely some people who take their experiences as a message to live their lives in an unproductive way, and that's when things start to become and issue.  Before somebody comes in with "but unproductive just means you aren't playing the game" and all that other "fight the system" stuff, just as you said, being a productive member of society benefits you directly.  Even if you don't believe in playing the game, tough luck; you can't effectively avoid it.

I agree with much of what you have to say, but my beliefs differ in that it doesn't apply 100% of the time.  There are things that I think should be avoided in terms of psychedelic drug use.  I just don't think that they are shackles for every situation.  That's not to say they're ever keys to the locks of the universe, but they certainly can have their benefits that don't turn you into some spiritual eastern religious nutcase.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: joemolloy]
    #14432240 - 05/10/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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joemolloy said:
Fuck that, use your own intelligence and abilities to play their fucking game and change, bend, and break the rules so at least you can enjoy and maybe even look forward to playing it.




sry i wont screw the entire world like the international bankers are screwing us.




Then don't screw the world.  But that doesn't preclude you playing successfully and happily.  Open your mind a bit.




i'll play it as happily as i can.
but i dont want your version of the word success.

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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: Dr Cid]
    #14432347 - 05/10/11 10:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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and being successful doesn't preclude being happy. But if you take into account all the ways in which capitalism and all of the ecological and sociological problems that come out of it thrives on the desire that we have to have the stuff that it's trying to sell us, then being "successful" in the conventional sense DOES include screwing the world over




I was referring to the game as in , being succesfull in a sociological way, like him

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it turns you into a nonproductive member of society, which is obviously a bad thing,



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Hmmmmm. the notion of ''Non-productivity''is entirely subjective.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: Psilosomniac]
    #14432679 - 05/10/11 11:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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These drugs scramble your shit.  I know you probably think your mind is opened now that you've experienced what psychedelics have to offer, but I argue they actually serve no positive benefit especially when it comes to one's ability to think clearly, insightfully, critically or logically.  Hell, one poster on here, strangerdanger, says the more he trips the more he wants to give the vagrant lifestyle a chance.  Is that the type of progress and life you want?  If so, by all means keep eating the shrooms and let the wind and your psychedelic inspired thoughts lead the way.

Or take a step back and reassess your new ideas with a sober mind.

The drugs tend to imprison rather than free.  They may open your mind to absolute nonsense but that handicaps you, no?  Its counter-intuitive to imagine these drugs as shackles rather than keys. Ain't that quite a psychedelic thought?




if you take psychedelics and come back thinking you would benefit from living a life abiding by the rules of some obscure Eastern religion, and that you shouldn't go to work, and play "the game", it turns you into a nonproductive member of society, which is obviously a bad thing, even if you do think that playing the game is sucking up to the man or whatever.






But what if society is utter shit? I agree with and really like most of your post though - if you come back less productive than before it's not a good thing. But it seems to me that if you come back and decide to be more productive and fucked up societal and economic structures are benefitting from that productivity then it's also not a good thing.

However, you can be productive in ways that doesn't support those structures. You can start your own business, make art, grow your own food, live minimally, work with others in your community, know what you NEED to be happy and what you WANT to be happy and only take what you NEED. It seems to me that if you allow the psychedelic experience to go to its logical conclusion, these are essential steps in integration. Those paradigms collapse once everyone decides to stop contributing their energies towards it and towards things that have as little footing in them as possible


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: helix]
    #14432719 - 05/10/11 11:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Timothy describing "dropping out":

"Drop Out" meant self-reliance, a discovery of one's singularity, a commitment to mobility, choice, and change. Unhappily my explanations of this sequence of personal development were often misinterpreted to mean "Get stoned and abandon all constructive activity"

Modernity and "the game" does not stress singularity, self-reliance nor choice


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: helix]
    #14432762 - 05/10/11 11:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Hmmmmm. the notion of ''Non-productiveness''is entirely subjective.




Indeed it is!  And that's what makes this subject well... subjective!  You know what I mean;  it's a complicated issue.  There are different ways to view the idea of productivity, and there are different degrees of it.  It's such a massively complex issue.  I think, in general, being productive is a good thing.  Of course, being productive can be contributing to a society that you may or may not think is wrong.  It's entirely up to you.  The idea I'm trying to get across is the extremities.  The line is obviously blurred and hard to define, but I think it's safe to say that if it makes you completely isolated and, like I said, so much into spirituality and Eastern mysticism that you can't function in society enough to get by, then it becomes an issue.  It really is hard to make a line and decide whether specific instances are good or bad though, and I know what you mean.

Perhaps I was generalizing too much with that statement that it is obviously a bad thing, but what I meant to make clear was the unproductive part, meaning not necessarily less productive.  I think it's healthy to question the system under which society functions, and not blindly follow everything that's been set up.  That being said, it certainly is beneficial to an individual to be able to manipulate a corrupt system to get some good out of it, whether it is for their own benefit, the benefit of others, or the benefit of a community or society itself.  To put it in simple terms, I just don't think people should take psychedelics and become lazy bums, if you'll excuse the terminology :tongue2:

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But what if society is utter shit? I agree with and really like most of your post though - if you come back less productive than before it's not a good thing. But it seems to me that if you come back and decide to be more productive and fucked up societal and economic structures are benefitting from that productivity then it's also not a good thing.

However, you can be productive in ways that doesn't support those structures. You can start your own business, make art, grow your own food, live minimally, work with others in your community, know what you NEED to be happy and what you WANT to be happy and only take what you NEED. It seems to me that if you allow the psychedelic experience to go to its logical conclusion, these are essential steps in integration. Those paradigms collapse once everyone decides to stop contributing their energies towards it and towards things that have as little footing in them as possible




Most definitely I agree that we shouldn't contribute so much to corrupt systems.  However, the idea of corruption can often be subjective and even debatable.  There are systems set up that are undeniably corrupt, some by nature, but it's up to the individual to decide which aspects of society he or she supports.  Part of what I meant by productive was also personally productive; that is, not supporting society, but yourself.  Part of this is general laziness, but part of it is that "what's the point?" mentality.  If you decide that certain things just aren't worth it anymore, that can be a good or bad thing.  This is where the benefits really come in.  Psychedelics can really make you think about the things you do and whether or not those things are right, necessary, worth it etc.  You can really weed out the things you realize are complete bullshit.  Conversely, if you end up weeding out something arguably necessary, you have a problem.  The extreme of this is deciding nothing is worth doing but drugs.  It's unlikely, and extreme, but it's something we would all agree is not a good thing.  Take that to a lower level and consider somebody who decides they don't want to go to college and get that degree after all, because they're contributing to a system they now disagree with, and they don't want to play "the game".  Again, subjectivity;  perhaps getting that degree in political science is no longer so desirable, but perhaps getting that degree in engineering would be something nice to have if you live in the Bay Area of California.  It can diminish and change your goals, which could be, like I said, a good or bad thing.  It just has that potential to be a bad thing, which is why people need to really consider all the possibilities before doing these drugs.

Personally, I'm working towards possibly getting a degree in engineering; I'm currently undeclared.  I wouldn't want psychedelics ruining my goals.  I'm pretty firm in those goals, so I'm not really afraid of taking them and deciding engineering is contributing to a system that I don't like.  Hell, I already believe that the system under which we live has a plethora of issues that need to be resolved, and I most certainly question the mores and such that we function under.  If I didn't, I wouldn't be interested in psychedelics;  I'd just say drugs are bad.

Again, this entire thing is subjective, and this is my opinion on the matter;  I encourage people to challenge what I say because it gives me a chance to reevaluate my beliefs and refine them.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: helix]
    #14432788 - 05/10/11 11:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i wish someone would have informed me about this side effect of psychedelics before i took them....


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: masterharf]
    #14432809 - 05/11/11 12:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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i wish someone would have informed me about this side effect of psychedelics before i took them....




Which one?  The part where it has the potential to diminish your desire to be integrated into society?

This is where it gets weird; when people decide that they wish they had that desire.  There are people who hate being a part of society and are glad they take action against it, there are people who are happy with contributing to all aspects of society, then there are people who are a mix.  People like you, who wish they could contribute to society, but just can't do it.  I don't know you, and I don't know your situation, but I would take you as one of the last group.

And that's by no means a bad thing.  It's like living in the Matrix, getting shown the real world, and expecting to become integrated into the Matrix again.  I can see how that would be disturbing, to say the least.  I can appreciate wanting to go back to blissfully living in society, but having difficulty.  I'm curious;  do you wish you could go back to the way you were before you ever took them?

*I use "contribute to society" in a very loose way.  Not contributing doesn't necessarily mean living in isolation.  Take it with a grain of salt.  Interpret it how you like.  The concept is theoretical in some ways, so it's hard to define what it really means to contribute to society.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: Psilosomniac]
    #14432835 - 05/11/11 12:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I mean, i know what i have to do to play the game. There was just one point that i completely lost any desire to do so though. Since then I've been able to get my shit together; however, it really is like the matrix analogy. i was unplugged from the views that i had before and thrust into a view of society that is free of my original ignorance. or is it corrupted by a new ignorance?

I don't necessarily wish I could go back to the way I was before I took them; yet, there is apart of me that wants that innate, capitalistic drive back that i had before.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: masterharf]
    #14432859 - 05/11/11 12:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I mean, i know what i have to do to play the game. There was just one point that i completely lost any desire to do so though. Since then I've been able to get my shit together; however, it really is like the matrix analogy. i was unplugged from the views that i had before and thrust into a view of society that is free of my original ignorance. or is it corrupted by a new ignorance?

I don't necessarily wish I could go back to the way I was before I took them; yet, there is apart of me that wants that innate, capitalistic drive back that i had before.




That's the great angst of the situation.  There's something that is troubling about not being able to be a part of that drive, but there's that part of us that knows we are probably better off this way.  It would be just like the Matrix analogy;  we like knowing the Matrix isn't real, but there's that part of us that wishes we could go back into it and live in ignorant bliss.

Thanks for sharing :thumbup:.  I think yours is a good example of the plight of the psychonaut, so to speak  :laugh2:


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    #14433002 - 05/11/11 01:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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And don't fool yourself into thinking shrooms give you an edge, they give you a retard handicap.



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    #14433013 - 05/11/11 01:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

what is this game?


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: skatealex2]
    #14433033 - 05/11/11 01:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Anyone here ever take lsd or mushrooms and decide to drop out of most of the game?



If you answer yes than you know the meaning of this thread.    :psybong:


Reason I say 'most' of the game is cause I think for most people at least you have to be somewhat involved in some part of the game somehow unless you just sit on a couch all day /everyday. :syringe:



I've been out of the "game" that you speak of probably my whole life. In fact if we're talking about being sort of an outcast and not following all of the 'rules' of society, I'd say music has been at least as influential as psychedelics.


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    #14433034 - 05/11/11 01:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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what is this game?



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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: joemolloy]
    #14433220 - 05/11/11 02:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The drugs tend to imprison rather than free.  They may open your mind to absolute nonsense but that handicaps you, no?  Its counter-intuitive to imagine these drugs as shackles rather than keys.




Do they really?  If they were the only instigator of transforming the usual egoistic hedonistic stream of thought into a sort of ascetic style of thinking, then I'd say maybe they do hinder us.  But because various people throughout history have abandoned the former stream of thought for the latter without the use of psychedelic substances, then I'd say that psychedelics are not the root of this transformation.


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    #14433231 - 05/11/11 02:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The drugs tend to imprison rather than free.  They may open your mind to absolute nonsense but that handicaps you, no?  Its counter-intuitive to imagine these drugs as shackles rather than keys.




Do they really?  If they were the only instigator of transforming the usual egoistic hedonistic stream of thought into a sort of ascetic style of thinking, then I'd say maybe they do hinder us.  But because various people throughout history have abandoned the former stream of thought for the latter without the use of psychedelic substances, then I'd say that psychedelics are not the root of this transformation.



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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: Vsnares.Zappa]
    #14433263 - 05/11/11 03:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

they are rather catalysts for extended mentality providing basis for more inclusive perspectives than those that normally arise in minds
the game.. well monkey see monkey do and
we want to be accepted by the group
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you don't have to join in like everybody else
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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: easyrider]
    #14433420 - 05/11/11 05:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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And don't fool yourself into thinking shrooms give you an edge, they give you a retard handicap.



Are you talking from experience?




Years of personal research.  I was a certified retard and still retain the ability to spot like-minded rubes.

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The drugs tend to imprison rather than free.  They may open your mind to absolute nonsense but that handicaps you, no?  Its counter-intuitive to imagine these drugs as shackles rather than keys.




Do they really?  If they were the only instigator of transforming the usual egoistic hedonistic stream of thought into a sort of ascetic style of thinking, then I'd say maybe they do hinder us.  But because various people throughout history have abandoned the former stream of thought for the latter without the use of psychedelic substances, then I'd say that psychedelics are not the root of this transformation.




People stumble upon delusion and psychosis on their own too without psychedelics, but that doesn't give these drugs a free pass in the delusion and psychosis department.

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Unfortunately nature is set up in such a way that in order for anything to survive it must use resources and these resources may be eating other animals or killing plants or stealing someone else's sunlight.  There really is no moral ground when you must kill in order to survive.  Your only option is to commit suicide.  Or minimize the damage you cause while maximizing your happiness with the tools you have in the culture where you live.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: joemolloy]
    #14433485 - 05/11/11 05:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What's the difference with heroin junkies that drop out?

Wouldn't you consider an ant 'dropping out of his colony' to be a retarded specimen?


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: azay]
    #14433518 - 05/11/11 06:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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What's the difference with heroin junkies that drop out?

Wouldn't you consider an ant 'dropping out of his colony' to be a retarded specimen?




What if this ant lived in a huge colony of crazy ants that have a certain image of the world that is flat out wrong , and when this ant is figuring out the reality is different from their view and the best way out is to leave the colony and do his own thing or join another colony?
Even more reason to leave the colony is the fact that this certain colony is trying to lock you up in a hole to "protect yourself and everyone around you" while all they do is fuck up the ant's life.

Also heroin is a fucking shit example.. there's a difference between a heroin addict and a psychonaut.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: joemolloy]
    #14433521 - 05/11/11 06:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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People stumble upon delusion and psychosis on their own too without psychedelics, but that doesn't give these drugs a free pass in the delusion and psychosis department.




Well, I interpreted your view as the belief that the psychedelic substances themselves are responsible for this shift in thought pattern.  Is this your view, or not?  If so, I'd say that they are not the root of the shift, but rather something innate is the real source.  Hofmann's quote comes to mind: "It is just a tool to turn us into what we are supposed to be."  Granted, it is an oversimplified explanation for this phenomenon, but I think it drives to the main point that psychedelic substances are just catalysts working with our biological/psychological makeup.  So, in the same way individuals with predispositions to mental disorders have their illnesses activated or exacerbated upon usage of psychedelic substances, other individuals have predispositions to varying aspects of thought -- in fact, all of us do.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: easyrider]
    #14433669 - 05/11/11 07:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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People stumble upon delusion and psychosis on their own too without psychedelics, but that doesn't give these drugs a free pass in the delusion and psychosis department.




Well, I interpreted your view as the belief that the psychedelic substances themselves are responsible for this shift in thought pattern.  Is this your view, or not?  If so, I'd say that they are not the root of the shift, but rather something innate is the real source.  Hofmann's quote comes to mind: "It is just a tool to turn us into what we are supposed to be."  Granted, it is an oversimplified explanation for this phenomenon, but I think it drives to the main point that psychedelic substances are just catalysts working with our biological/psychological makeup.  So, in the same way individuals with predispositions to mental disorders have their illnesses activated or exacerbated upon usage of psychedelic substances, other individuals have predispositions to varying aspects of thought -- in fact, all of us do.




I believe they are catalysts and the interaction with the individual and these drugs often results in unpredictably wild, anti-social, and superstitious states of mind that may linger after the trip has ended and be expressed in subtle and not-so-subtle ways.  If one seeks to distance oneself from the pack of consensus reality dwellers, then psychedelics are the medicine that the shaman recommends.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: joemolloy]
    #14433763 - 05/11/11 08:05 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

been there done that, ive convinced my self to even stop puffing buds, let alone selling drugs on some good L.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: skatealex2]
    #14433789 - 05/11/11 08:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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by game do u mean the rate race? american dream? over achieving? etc...

if so, then yes... the more i dose the more i long to abandon everything and give the vagrant life a shot..... im going to head across country for a few months at the beginning of next yet and see how i like being untied and completely free/wandering the world as i please....





yea i pretty much mean the rat race, achieving hard/over working.......... i don't mean to say being completely lazy but just to drop out of maybe socio-status type of endeavors.


myself i have my games. i want to try to work to make a band at some point but not for social status- just cause itd be cool to work on good music and vibe with people, but i dont care to be famous or something.
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Ya man I've completely stopped smoking and pill popping after a trip once. But I don't think I can give up pyschadelics




i dont mean to completely stop using drugs either tho this thread can be interpreted however , but ive gotten that too after a trip.  once after lsd i wouldnt even have interest to drink even a beer for a long time.





hmmmm

I have smoked cannabis daily for over a decade. I have used psychedelics hundreds of times in the past 5-6 years. over 150 mushrooms experiences, 100+ LSD, 2cI, 2cE, DMT, 4-AcO-DMT, LSA, ectect. In short, these things have been a part of my "game" since the get go...

I have completed a double language major for my BA. I am currently working on a duel masters, so two separate masters in two separate subjects. When I finish with these degree's, I will immediately move to my Phd. I will have my Phd, at this rate, by the time I am 32.

So, to answer your question, no, these substances have absolutely nothing to do with wanting to drop out of "the game". In fact, many of these experiences have pushed me / lead me down the path that I am following. They have done the opposite of what you describe. They have encouraged me to do what I am doing, and given me strength in believing in what I can accomplish. I get incredibly high grades; I spend unbelievable amounts of time in libraries, working, studying, reading, so lots of time away from the substances I use everyday...but I still use them everyday.

Long story short; you, and only you,control these sorts of things in "the game". You can make your habits support what your doing in "the game", or the opposite. Its a matter of knowing what you want to do with your life; maybe you just do not know what you want. Maybe you have not gotten "there" yet, hence your "questioning" state. There is nothing wrong with that either. Some people cannot make these sorts of decisions lightly, hell, some can't even imagine ever having to deal with them.


It is all up to you, though. If substances and standing between you and "the game", that can only be your own fault, and it is something you can change if you want to. You should always believe that substances have no control over you. Your the one with a brain; so YOU make your decisions.


I did not read all the responses in the thread, so sorry if im repeating anything :peace::gd_icon::grin:      :lsd:


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: infectedstyle]
    #14433939 - 05/11/11 09:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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What if this ant lived in a huge colony of crazy ants that have a certain image of the world that is flat out wrong , and when this ant is figuring out the reality is different from their view and the best way out is to leave the colony and do his own thing or join another colony?
Even more reason to leave the colony is the fact that this certain colony is trying to lock you up in a hole to "protect yourself and everyone around you" while all they do is fuck up the ant's life.

Also heroin is a fucking shit example.. there's a difference between a heroin addict and a psychonaut.




I think this ant is stupid because it is in his best interest to be part of a colony.
Of course, the ant can drop out of the game all it wants. But it cannot expect to be allowed to use the resources of this colony. And that's what it often seems to boils down to with the "drop-out" type of people. They become leeches.

I don't think there's much of a difference between a heroin addict and a psychonaut-that-dropped-out-of-the-game. Being submersed in psychedelics (in the drop-out sense) is a very egocentric lifestyle imo. It's like owning an amusement park and riding rollercoasters all day. I think this acid-dropout idea is the complete opposite of the proclaimed hippie-type universal love. I say embrace your colony and take care of it so it will take care of you. This tension between the colony and the individual exists for all of its members. It's the nature of the game.

Besides, I don't understand why you are so negative about our colony. I think we're doing better than ever. Even when you ignore everything else besides the drugs: imagine being the only acidhead in your village (with all its 'close-minded' (compared to today) people) some 40 years ago.... wouldn't trade it for the present.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: skatealex2]
    #14434001 - 05/11/11 09:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i think psychedelics make the game easier if you can set morals aside. it all depends on how you function i suppose.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: joemolloy]
    #14434068 - 05/11/11 09:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

it's definitely an immature and ill conceived perspective to view psychedelic usage and its potential after effects within some sort of dogmatic construct.

just because your personal experience with psychedelics has led to feelings of wanting to drop out, "general retardedness" and the like doesn't mean it effects everyone that way.

time to mature past the relative "safety" found within dogmatic perspectives and realize that drugs effect everyone differently. There are no hard and fast rules to experience.

that whole perspective of "well it happened to me this way, so it must be like this for everyone else" is born more out a desire to feel like your experience is all inclusive rather than exclusive.

it takes the focus off of personal responsibility and places it on a desire to dub all psychedelic experiences essentially "the same". truth of the matter is while there may be some similar side effects it is far to subjective of an experience for any one perspective to encompass the infinite multitude of ways it can and does effect the one consuming the drug.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: gerryjarcia]
    #14434793 - 05/11/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"Use them with care, and use them with respect as to the transformations they can achieve, and you have an extraordinary research tool. Go banging about with a psychedelic drug for a Saturday night turn-on, and you can get into a really bad place, psychologically. Know what you're using, decide just why you're using it, and you can have a rich experience. They're not addictive, and they're certainly not escapist, either, but they're exceptionally valuable tools for understanding the human mind, and how it works."
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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
    #14434855 - 05/11/11 01:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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hmmmm

I have smoked cannabis daily for over a decade. I have used psychedelics hundreds of times in the past 5-6 years. over 150 mushrooms experiences, 100+ LSD, 2cI, 2cE, DMT, 4-AcO-DMT, LSA, ectect. In short, these things have been a part of my "game" since the get go...

I have completed a double language major for my BA. I am currently working on a duel masters, so two separate masters in two separate subjects. When I finish with these degree's, I will immediately move to my Phd. I will have my Phd, at this rate, by the time I am 32.

So, to answer your question, no, these substances have absolutely nothing to do with wanting to drop out of "the game". In fact, many of these experiences have pushed me / lead me down the path that I am following. They have done the opposite of what you describe. They have encouraged me to do what I am doing, and given me strength in believing in what I can accomplish. I get incredibly high grades; I spend unbelievable amounts of time in libraries, working, studying, reading, so lots of time away from the substances I use everyday...but I still use them everyday.

Long story short; you, and only you,control these sorts of things in "the game". You can make your habits support what your doing in "the game", or the opposite. Its a matter of knowing what you want to do with your life; maybe you just do not know what you want. Maybe you have not gotten "there" yet, hence your "questioning" state. There is nothing wrong with that either. Some people cannot make these sorts of decisions lightly, hell, some can't even imagine ever having to deal with them.


It is all up to you, though. If substances and standing between you and "the game", that can only be your own fault, and it is something you can change if you want to. You should always believe that substances have no control over you. Your the one with a brain; so YOU make your decisions.


I did not read all the responses in the thread, so sorry if im repeating anything :peace::gd_icon::grin:      :lsd:




This is exactly what I'm saying.  Not everybody loses the will to succeed in society after taking psychedelics.  Kinda what I was getting at in my post.  Good explanation :thumbup:


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
    #14435171 - 05/11/11 02:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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hmmmm

I have smoked cannabis daily for over a decade. I have used psychedelics hundreds of times in the past 5-6 years. over 150 mushrooms experiences, 100+ LSD, 2cI, 2cE, DMT, 4-AcO-DMT, LSA, ectect. In short, these things have been a part of my "game" since the get go...

I have completed a double language major for my BA. I am currently working on a duel masters, so two separate masters in two separate subjects. When I finish with these degree's, I will immediately move to my Phd. I will have my Phd, at this rate, by the time I am 32.

So, to answer your question, no, these substances have absolutely nothing to do with wanting to drop out of "the game". In fact, many of these experiences have pushed me / lead me down the path that I am following. They have done the opposite of what you describe. They have encouraged me to do what I am doing, and given me strength in believing in what I can accomplish. I get incredibly high grades; I spend unbelievable amounts of time in libraries, working, studying, reading, so lots of time away from the substances I use everyday...but I still use them everyday.

Long story short; you, and only you,control these sorts of things in "the game". You can make your habits support what your doing in "the game", or the opposite. Its a matter of knowing what you want to do with your life; maybe you just do not know what you want. Maybe you have not gotten "there" yet, hence your "questioning" state. There is nothing wrong with that either. Some people cannot make these sorts of decisions lightly, hell, some can't even imagine ever having to deal with them.


It is all up to you, though. If substances and standing between you and "the game", that can only be your own fault, and it is something you can change if you want to. You should always believe that substances have no control over you. Your the one with a brain; so YOU make your decisions.


I did not read all the responses in the thread, so sorry if im repeating anything :peace::gd_icon::grin:      :lsd:







You are lucky.  Your internal desires and motivations combined with your drug use did not alter your ability to earn an advanced degree or compel you to drop out.  Part of me would congratulate you and another part of me would feel that your reaction to these powerful chemicals was out of your control and luck was the tipping factor in your favor.  What if all of your psychedelic adventures gradually eroded your current mindset?  Is that possible?  You better believe it.  Just as you credited these drugs with assisting you in your life, they have the power to fuck it up too.

You are the exception to the rule, most people who delve deeply into drugs, even psychedelics probably live lives that span the spectrum of  struggle.  Habitual drug use is a prison, even if you experience freedom during your peak.

Internal and external factors lead to one's success or failure and I argue that psychedelics are an external factor that may influence the internal machinery in a fucked up way.  You're lucky, brother, and so am I.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: joemolloy]
    #14435197 - 05/11/11 02:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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hmmmm

I have smoked cannabis daily for over a decade. I have used psychedelics hundreds of times in the past 5-6 years. over 150 mushrooms experiences, 100+ LSD, 2cI, 2cE, DMT, 4-AcO-DMT, LSA, ectect. In short, these things have been a part of my "game" since the get go...

I have completed a double language major for my BA. I am currently working on a duel masters, so two separate masters in two separate subjects. When I finish with these degree's, I will immediately move to my Phd. I will have my Phd, at this rate, by the time I am 32.

So, to answer your question, no, these substances have absolutely nothing to do with wanting to drop out of "the game". In fact, many of these experiences have pushed me / lead me down the path that I am following. They have done the opposite of what you describe. They have encouraged me to do what I am doing, and given me strength in believing in what I can accomplish. I get incredibly high grades; I spend unbelievable amounts of time in libraries, working, studying, reading, so lots of time away from the substances I use everyday...but I still use them everyday.

Long story short; you, and only you,control these sorts of things in "the game". You can make your habits support what your doing in "the game", or the opposite. Its a matter of knowing what you want to do with your life; maybe you just do not know what you want. Maybe you have not gotten "there" yet, hence your "questioning" state. There is nothing wrong with that either. Some people cannot make these sorts of decisions lightly, hell, some can't even imagine ever having to deal with them.


It is all up to you, though. If substances and standing between you and "the game", that can only be your own fault, and it is something you can change if you want to. You should always believe that substances have no control over you. Your the one with a brain; so YOU make your decisions.


I did not read all the responses in the thread, so sorry if im repeating anything :peace::gd_icon::grin:      :lsd:







You are lucky.  Your internal desires and motivations combined with your drug use did not alter your ability to earn an advanced degree or compel you to drop out.  Part of me would congratulate you and another part of me would feel that your reaction to these powerful chemicals was out of your control and luck was the tipping factor in your favor.  What if all of your psychedelic adventures gradually eroded your current mindset?  Is that possible?  You better believe it.  Just as you credited these drugs with assisting you in your life, they have the power to fuck it up too.

You are the exception to the rule, most people who delve deeply into drugs, even psychedelics probably live lives that span the spectrum of  struggle.  Habitual drug use is a prison, even if you experience freedom during your peak.

Internal and external factors lead to one's success or failure and I argue that psychedelics are an external factor that may influence the internal machinery in a fucked up way.  You're lucky, brother, and so am I.





I am lucky. But, like one of the above poster's said, I just cannot agree with the idea that there is even a "rule" when it comes to this subject. There is no rule, and I am certainly no exception; I am no different than anyone else, and my success could be had by anyone with a human mind.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
    #14435233 - 05/11/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I am lucky. But, like one of the above poster's said, I just cannot agree with the idea that there is even a "rule" when it comes to this subject. There is no rule, and I am certainly no exception; I am no different than anyone else, and my success could be had by anyone with a human mind.





While there are no hard and fast rules, are there generalizations you can make about long term and frequent users of psychedelic drugs?

If you are honest, you'll say prolonged drug use tends to fuck up rather than enhance lives.  How did you buck the trend?  The same way I did.  I'm a lucky fucker in the sense that internal and external factors resulted in ultimate self-control and I am only part of that equation.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: joemolloy]
    #14435247 - 05/11/11 02:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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These drugs scramble your shit.  I know you probably think your mind is opened now that you've experienced what psychedelics have to offer, but I argue they actually serve no positive benefit especially when it comes to one's ability to think clearly, insightfully, critically or logically.  Hell, one poster on here, strangerdanger, says the more he trips the more he wants to give the vagrant lifestyle a chance.  Is that the type of progress and life you want?  If so, by all means keep eating the shrooms and let the wind and your psychedelic inspired thoughts lead the way.

Or take a step back and reassess your new ideas with a sober mind.

The drugs tend to imprison rather than free.  They may open your mind to absolute nonsense but that handicaps you, no?  Its counter-intuitive to imagine these drugs as shackles rather than keys. Ain't that quite a psychedelic thought?



this is why the man considered LSD to be manslaughter.
Folks who take it tend to drop out of the game, stop paying taxes and no longer blindly follow the government or strive to improve society. This is not globally inclusive though. If everyone get's their mind blown to the point where it doesnt matter if they do anything and they can just sit on a hill and wait to die as it is the least harmful action nothing will get done, but at the same time we'd be doing the earth a favor.

Psychs improved my thinking and intelligence the first few times I did that. I hate to say it but I think there is some truth buried in the "eat more than 7 and you're insane" myth though it isnt that concrete.

In my current state I am def. a casualty of psychedelics but there isnt much I can do but stop doing them and pursue a field in which insanity is celebrated, something involving more abstract thought and not the mathematical things that no longer make any sense to me.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #14435312 - 05/11/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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These drugs scramble your shit.  I know you probably think your mind is opened now that you've experienced what psychedelics have to offer, but I argue they actually serve no positive benefit especially when it comes to one's ability to think clearly, insightfully, critically or logically.  Hell, one poster on here, strangerdanger, says the more he trips the more he wants to give the vagrant lifestyle a chance.  Is that the type of progress and life you want?  If so, by all means keep eating the shrooms and let the wind and your psychedelic inspired thoughts lead the way.

Or take a step back and reassess your new ideas with a sober mind.

The drugs tend to imprison rather than free.  They may open your mind to absolute nonsense but that handicaps you, no?  Its counter-intuitive to imagine these drugs as shackles rather than keys. Ain't that quite a psychedelic thought?



this is why the man considered LSD to be manslaughter.
Folks who take it tend to drop out of the game, stop paying taxes and no longer blindly follow the government or strive to improve society. This is not globally inclusive though. If everyone get's their mind blown to the point where it doesnt matter if they do anything and they can just sit on a hill and wait to die as it is the least harmful action nothing will get done, but at the same time we'd be doing the earth a favor.

Psychs improved my thinking and intelligence the first few times I did that. I hate to say it but I think there is some truth buried in the "eat more than 7 and you're insane" myth though it isnt that concrete.

In my current state I am def. a casualty of psychedelics but there isnt much I can do but stop doing them and pursue a field in which insanity is celebrated, something involving more abstract thought and not the mathematical things that no longer make any sense to me.





Great post, brother.  Abstract thoughts can suck after a while, right?  It's a bitch being enlightened.  Its even more a bitch realizing you probably never were.  We've both stepped forward and that's solid progress.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: joemolloy]
    #14435341 - 05/11/11 03:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Most of the time I cant remember what happened 6 seconds ago.
I recently started a new job and I realized just how spacey and "not there" I really am.
I need to do things 10+ times to understand them and learning is difficult at best unless I learn something while Im tripping.
Having a normal conversation is impossible.

I think the real bitch about the thing is realizing that you are fucked, will always be fucked, you fucked yourself in the first place, there is absolutely nothing that can be done about it now and then trying to make peace with and accept that.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #14435361 - 05/11/11 03:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

dude I'm the same way but you know what I've noticed
Sober people space out too,they lose their keys and forget all kinds of shit


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: Dr.Knotts Pinning]
    #14435369 - 05/11/11 03:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I just space out much less before all the acid.

I know some people are naturally very spaced out and others only act it.

Sometimes Im on the ball. The spacing out isnt all there is to it though.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: joemolloy]
    #14437408 - 05/11/11 10:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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We've both stepped forward and that's solid progress.



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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: Soluminia]
    #14437495 - 05/11/11 10:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah after I had a bad shrooms trip I decided to quit smoking...but then I did acid and felt a lot better. Hahaha.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: Lunchboxer]
    #14437955 - 05/11/11 11:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Society Must be Defended.

Ha.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: Clamence]
    #14438128 - 05/12/11 12:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

This culture is very harmful and psychopathic in many ways.
I don't see why it should be defended for the sake of conformity.

I think that being intelligent with your life, realizing your potential and using your skills to help society in a beneficial way are real indicators of success.

It's about how much good you put into the world, not objects.
Happiness is a frame of mind, when I went to rural Jamaica the majority of people had nothing, and the majority of the people were more happy than we are here.

I think that you need to play the game to win (by the definition of the rules of the game)

But the best way to play this game of Monopoly would be to bitch-slap the banker and use our time to be productive rather than focusing on redundant, cyclical consumption and a mutated American dream.

(On the topic of psychedelics helping or hindering, I think that they are catalysts for change. It's subjective to the user whether this is good or not.)


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: k00laid]
    #14438673 - 05/12/11 04:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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We've both stepped forward and that's solid progress.



:congrats: :rolleyes:




To be free, open-minded, and enlightened just like you.  Oh, the irony of it.  Too bad you don't get the joke, you're the slave who thinks he's free.


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: joemolloy]
    #14439268 - 05/12/11 09:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i'm far from enlightened.

and far from free. i live in america.


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    #14439529 - 05/12/11 10:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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If you are honest, you'll say prolonged drug use tends to fuck up rather than enhance lives.




This whole thread is a bunch of BS IMO since it assumes that one way of life is somehow "better" than another.

We're all going through the motions as we hurtle towards the same cliff.

All this talk of "enhancing" or "retarding" your life is 100% subjective :blah:

So to all my fellow seekers out there who suffer from a case of having too much perspective for the normal shields which joe citizen uses to get through the day to work anymore...understand that the lack of connection you feel to the world is not a curse.  On the contrary, you've cut the strings that tied you down. 

So stop feeling sorry for yourself, cowboy up, put on your adventuring boots and go have one! 

Lead a life that other people only read about..keeping in mind the whole while that it doesn't likely mean a thing.  :rofl2:


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Re: Dropping out of most of the game [Re: joemolloy]
    #14440053 - 05/12/11 12:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The game is just a series of paths that you need to follow or blaze in order to pay for your internet connection, your drugs, your tunes, your car, your ability to travel, your gourmet meals, your clothes and all the rest.  Not to mention, playing the game intelligently will get you all of the above and more, but it can also get you topnotch pussy and possibly a quality wife.

If anything, psychedelics probably fuck up a lot people's ability to shrewdly play the game by turning them into thoughtful, do-nothings with vague grievances against the maaaan.  Fuck that, use your own intelligence and abilities to play their fucking game and change, bend, and break the rules so at least you can enjoy and maybe even look forward to playing it.  And don't fool yourself into thinking shrooms give you an edge, they give you a retard handicap.




I half agree with you. I agree that the ubiquitous sentiment of "society is eeeeevil, mannnnnn" is generally stupid. Look at what society has given me. I have friends, a hot young girlfriend, I eat delicious foods and never go hungry, and I get to see amazing and funny things.

But I think it also does come with some evils. Some people get caught up in it and do some truly awful things to get ahead.

And I think psychedelics do give me an edge. I actually just made a thread about it, here. This has definitely helped me get ahead, though that wasn't really the intention at all.


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