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zoomfan
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why would god remain hidden?
#14430634 - 05/10/11 04:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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if there was a god, why would he make it so you had to believe a book?
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Re: why would god remain hidden? [Re: zoomfan]
#14430646 - 05/10/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Because he fucking hates us all.
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Harvest Wind
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Re: why would god remain hidden? [Re: zoomfan]
#14430673 - 05/10/11 04:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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God didn't make it so that you had to believe in a book, man did.
Perhaps if you believe not in a book, but in yourself...
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Re: why would god remain hidden? [Re: Harvest Wind]
#14430685 - 05/10/11 04:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Harvest Wind said: God didn't make it so that you had to believe in a book, man did.
Perhaps if you believe not in a book, but in yourself...
How would believing in yourself reveal god?
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Re: why would god remain hidden? [Re: zoomfan] 1
#14430690 - 05/10/11 04:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Stan: Why would God let Kenny die, Chef? Kenny’s my friend. Why can’t God take someone else’s friend?
Chef: Stan sometimes God takes those closest to us, because it makes him feel better about himself. He is a very vengeful God, Stan. He’s all pissed off about something we did thousands of years ago. He just can’t get over it, so he doesn’t care who he takes. Children, puppies, it doesn’t matter to him, so long as it makes us sad. Do you understand?
Stan: But then, why does God give us anything to start with?
Chef: Well, look at it this way: if you want to make a baby cry, first you give it a lollipop. Then you take it away. If you never give it a lollipop to begin with, then you would have nothin’ to cry about. That’s like God, who gives us life and love and help just so that he can tear it all away and make us cry, so he can drink the sweet milk of our tears. You see, it’s our tears, Stan, that give God his great power.
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Re: why would god remain hidden? [Re: zoomfan]
#14430701 - 05/10/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't think you have to read a book to determine whether or not you believe in the existence of God or a higher power. Personally, I look at the complexity and beauty of nature and the human mind, and am overcome with the understanding that there must be a purpose to everything.
I think organized religion is mans attempt to define the indefinable. People feel lost in this world, and it is much more comforting (but much less rewarding) to simply pick a book and believe that each and every word was comprised of God-spoken truth. No need to keep looking if every bit of truth is already stated and defined for you!!
I went through an analogous scenario when I first began experimenting with the sacred molecule, DMT. I would try to fit the meaning of each spiritual journey into the parameters of my previous life experiences and beliefs. By doing this, I was limiting the true knowledge, beauty, and peace contained within the experiences.
I now find more peace and knowledge in the pursuit of truth, rather than in the attainment. Anyone who has experienced true ego loss while on DMT will tell you that it was a completely indefinable/indescribable experience. However, they would also tell you that it was one of, if not THE most important moments of their lives. In other words, you don't have to be able to completely understand or describe something for it to have meaning or value. This is exactly how I feel about God/higher power.
I'm not sure that is the answer you were looking for, but it is the conclusion I have come to.
Peace and Happy Journeys!
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Re: why would god remain hidden? [Re: 4896744]
#14430733 - 05/10/11 04:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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iThink said:
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Harvest Wind said: God didn't make it so that you had to believe in a book, man did.
Perhaps if you believe not in a book, but in yourself...
How would believing in yourself reveal god?
Maybe it's about having faith in life itself... Faith that things will work out exactly how you want them to.
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Maybe it's about having faith in life itself... Faith that things will work out exactly how you want them to.
Like giant waves washing away your town?
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Re: why would god remain hidden? [Re: zoomfan]
#14430766 - 05/10/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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god works in mysterious ways.
...do i win?
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I'm not hiding.
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Poid
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entheogenadvocate said: I don't think you have to read a book to determine whether or not you believe in the existence of God or a higher power. Personally, I look at the complexity and beauty of nature and the human mind, and am overcome with the understanding that there must be a purpose to everything.
How does the complexity and beauty of nature and the human mind bring you to the understanding that there is a purpose to everything?
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entheogenadvocate said: In other words, you don't have to be able to completely understand or describe something for it to have meaning or value. This is exactly how I feel about God/higher power.
The thing is, a DMT experience is completely subjective and personal, whereas many people claim that God objectively exists outside of people's subjective imaginations.
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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Maybe it's about having faith in life itself... Faith that things will work out exactly how you want them to.
Like giant waves washing away your town?
Exactly!
But if there is any doubt in your mind that it won't happen, like doubt deep in your subconcious, you're shit outta luck.
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Do you also believe in voodoo dolls?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: why would god remain hidden? [Re: Poid]
#14430981 - 05/10/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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So when the people of flight 93 boarded their plane, the terrorists attacked because someone doubted the plane would land safely?
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Re: why would god remain hidden? [Re: mushiepussy]
#14430995 - 05/10/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Learn to use the 'Quick Reply' function.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: why would god remain hidden? [Re: Poid] 1
#14431009 - 05/10/11 05:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fuck you my internet froze. I literally just took you off my ignore list and your already goin back on lol
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Poid
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Re: why would god remain hidden? [Re: mushiepussy]
#14431017 - 05/10/11 05:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: why would god remain hidden? [Re: mushiepussy]
#14431177 - 05/10/11 06:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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mushiepussy said: So when the people of flight 93 boarded their plane, the terrorists attacked because someone doubted the plane would land safely?
Yes, or everyone may have thought of something bad happing before in their life, but weren't thinking about it until it happened, then their minds were very sure. If the ever said they weren't sure, they were probably in denile of their real emotions.
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So we kinda fucked up killing bin laden, obviously it was the passengers fault. Ssorryy osamaaa
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Poid
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"denile"
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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zoomfan
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Re: why would god remain hidden? [Re: mushiepussy]
#14434223 - 05/11/11 10:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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mushiepussy said: So we kinda fucked up killing bin laden, obviously it was the passengers fault. Ssorryy osamaaa
i laughed
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zoomfan
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Re: why would god remain hidden? [Re: zoomfan]
#14434231 - 05/11/11 10:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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faith like a mustard seed eh
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Re: why would god remain hidden? [Re: zoomfan]
#14434265 - 05/11/11 10:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Garlic honey or hot 'n spicey?
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