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Re: I consumed 4,850 mg of Tylenol today [Re: psilyguy]
#14440373 - 05/12/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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psilyguy said: The people who think most of us don't understand depression need to understand one thing. If you are sad all the time, no one wants to hear you whine about it.
Fishing for sympathy by telling people you did something stupid when you actually didn't do something stupid is .
Don't generalize. Not everybody is as unsympathetic as you are.
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Tchan909 said:
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psilyguy said: The people who think most of us don't understand depression need to understand one thing. If you are sad all the time, not many people want to hear you whine about it.
Fishing for sympathy by telling people you did something stupid when you actually didn't do something stupid is .
Don't generalize. Not everybody is as unsympathetic as you are.
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Re: I consumed 4,850 mg of Tylenol today [Re: psilyguy]
#14440398 - 05/12/11 02:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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and i'm not always unsympathetic, but is it bad that i don't sympathize with somebody who comes onto the internet and says he was forced to make the unwise decision of overdosing on tylenol and then later says he actually did the CWE and was just trying to get attention? I can be sympathetic, but this is the wrong way to find sympathy.
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Re: I consumed 4,850 mg of Tylenol today [Re: psilyguy]
#14440421 - 05/12/11 02:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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meh, i'm being a dick. i'm sorry.
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Re: I consumed 4,850 mg of Tylenol today [Re: psilyguy]
#14441097 - 05/12/11 05:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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psilyguy said: and then later says he actually did the CWE and was just trying to get attention?
I did the CWE with a later dose.
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Re: I consumed 4,850 mg of Tylenol today [Re: s240779]
#14441136 - 05/12/11 05:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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This thread is full of anger.
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Did you make a thread pan-handling for pity?
This is completely unrelated but I think chronic depression is the mental habituation of sorrow to such a degree that it becomes a continuous state of mind, In the same way consistently practicing something like mindful meditation can change your thinking patterns permanently by rewiring the firing pattern of your neurons 
That's nice for you. I hope you never have to deal with it. That's like saying someone with cancer can shrug it off with meditation. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE meditation. But that statement is not only ignorant but also quite harmful.
How so? Its not at all like saying meditation can cure cancer, meditation is a exercise for the mind, depression resides only in the mind. Your mind is completely capable of manipulating the neuroplasticity of the brain. Dr. Jefferey M. Schwartz proved this in a experiment in when he cured OCD disorder with a close to 95% success rate through a 4 step mindful meditation process practiced daily for a long period of time. within a couple months I believe, the meditative therapy literally fixed the chemical imbalance and rewired the brain so the region central to fear was no longer activated and creating compulsive actions. Meditation cured a mental disease that proved almost incurable with standard treatments. After researching his experiments and reading his books I figured that always thinking negative thoughts, being a pessimist, holding no confidence in your actions leads to a habituation in thinking patterns and a change in the chemistry of a brain. The root cause of depression not being the chemical imbalance. Depression medication's success rate is on par with that of a placebo. That along with Dr. Schwartz's experiments is what makes me believe that depression is only a lack of control over ones thoughts, something that can be cured with a meditative style therapy rather then shoving chemicals down peoples throats and saying theres something fucked up with there brain.
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Re: I consumed 4,850 mg of Tylenol today [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#14441321 - 05/12/11 06:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Depression, take all your negative thoughts and flip them around.
Instead of thinking: "I'm ugly" think "I'm pretty".
Instead of thinking: "I have horrible anxiety" tell yourself: "I have no anxiety"
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Re: I consumed 4,850 mg of Tylenol today [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#14441438 - 05/12/11 06:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Devlish2 said: Depression, take all your negative thoughts and flip them around.
Instead of thinking: "I'm ugly" think "I'm pretty".
Instead of thinking: "I have horrible anxiety" tell yourself: "I have no anxiety"
ect.
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Bodhi of Ankou said:
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tymoteusz3 said:
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Bodhi of Ankou said: Did you make a thread pan-handling for pity?
This is completely unrelated but I think chronic depression is the mental habituation of sorrow to such a degree that it becomes a continuous state of mind, In the same way consistently practicing something like mindful meditation can change your thinking patterns permanently by rewiring the firing pattern of your neurons 
That's nice for you. I hope you never have to deal with it. That's like saying someone with cancer can shrug it off with meditation. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE meditation. But that statement is not only ignorant but also quite harmful.
How so? Its not at all like saying meditation can cure cancer, meditation is a exercise for the mind, depression resides only in the mind. Your mind is completely capable of manipulating the neuroplasticity of the brain. Dr. Jefferey M. Schwartz proved this in a experiment in when he cured OCD disorder with a close to 95% success rate through a 4 step mindful meditation process practiced daily for a long period of time. within a couple months I believe, the meditative therapy literally fixed the chemical imbalance and rewired the brain so the region central to fear was no longer activated and creating compulsive actions. Meditation cured a mental disease that proved almost incurable with standard treatments. After researching his experiments and reading his books I figured that always thinking negative thoughts, being a pessimist, holding no confidence in your actions leads to a habituation in thinking patterns and a change in the chemistry of a brain. The root cause of depression not being the chemical imbalance. Depression medication's success rate is on par with that of a placebo. That along with Dr. Schwartz's experiments is what makes me believe that depression is only a lack of control over ones thoughts, something that can be cured with a meditative style therapy rather then shoving chemicals down peoples throats and saying theres something fucked up with there brain.
As I said before there is a huge fucking difference between normal depression, and manic / chronic depression.
And the root cause of bi polar disorder and manic depression ARE NOT simply fucking in your mind. Its the reason the state of mental health in NA is such a fucking laugh, because everyone has the same mindset - just snap out of it.
Like I said before I hope you never have to experience manic depression. But if you do I think you will understand a little better.
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Re: I consumed 4,850 mg of Tylenol today [Re: Devlish2]
#14441459 - 05/12/11 06:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Devlish2 said: Depression, take all your negative thoughts and flip them around.
Instead of thinking: "I'm ugly" think "I'm pretty".
Instead of thinking: "I have horrible anxiety" tell yourself: "I have no anxiety"
ect.
Your joking right? Do you think I ENJOY being moderately happy one moment, fucking depressed, suicidal and hopeless the next like a switch went off? When all I can think of is ending it and can't get out?
I am done with this thread. I would never wish this shit on my worst enemy, but fuck I wish you guys could see what it was like. Then maybe you wouldn't say shit like that.
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Where did I mention bi-polar or manic depressive disorder once in that whole fuckin poast???
Since you cant stap bringing up either of them what makes you think that there not heavily related to the mind, tell me how the chemical imbalances present in the brain relate to the state of consciousness of the afflicted individual.
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Re: I consumed 4,850 mg of Tylenol today [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#14441738 - 05/12/11 07:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bipolar disorder
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Abnormalities in the structure and/or function of certain brain circuits could underlie bipolar. Two meta-analyses of MRI studies in bipolar disorder report a increase in the volume of the lateral ventricles, globus pallidus and increase in the rates of deep white matter hyperintensities. The "kindling" theory asserts that people who are genetically predisposed toward bipolar disorder can experience a series of stressful events, each of which lowers the threshold at which mood changes occur. Eventually, a mood episode can start (and become recurrent) by itself. There is evidence of hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis (HPA axis) abnormalities in bipolar disorder due to stress. Other brain components which have been proposed to play a role are the mitochondria, and a sodium ATPase pump, causing cyclical periods of poor neuron firing (depression) and hypersensitive neuron firing (mania). This may only apply for type one, but type two apparently results from a large confluence of factors.
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ANN ARBOR, MI - People with bipolar disorder have an average of thirty percent more of an important class of signal-sending brain cells, according to new evidence being published by University of Michigan researchers. The finding, published in the October 2000 issue of the American Journal of Psychiatry, solidifies the idea that the disorder has unavoidable biological and genetic roots, and may explain why it runs in families.
The discovery is the first neurochemical difference to be found between asymptomatic bipolar and non-bipolar people. It could help the understanding and treatment of a disease that affects as much as 1.5 percent of the population. Bipolar disorder has in the past been known as manic depression.
"To put it simply, these patients' brains are wired differently, in a way that we might expect to predispose them to bouts of mania and depression," says Jon-Kar Zubieta, M.D., Ph.D., assistant professor of psychiatry and radiology at the University of Michigan Health System. "Now, we must expand and apply this knowledge to give them a treatment strategy based on solid science, not on the current method of trial and error. We should also work to find an exact genetic origin, and to relate those genetic origins to what is happening in the brain."
Bipolar disorder is marked by wild, cyclical mood swings, which typically begin in a person's late teens or twenties and strike men and women with equal frequency. Its milder, type II form causes depression alternating with hyperactivity, while the more severe type I disorder produces frenzied, even psychotic episodes that may send the patient to the hospital, followed by deep, crippling depressions. Current treatment uses a mix of mood-stabilizing, anti-psychotic and antidepressant drugs, but patients and physicians often struggle to strike the right combination.
Zubieta and his colleagues made the discovery in 16 patients with type I bipolar disorder using a brain imaging technique called positron emission tomography, or PET. The scans let them see the density of cells that release the brain chemicals dopamine, serotonin and norepinephrine.
These monoamines, as the chemicals are called, send signals between brain cells, or neurons. They're involved in mood regulation, stress responses, pleasure, reward, and cognitive functions like concentration, attention, and executive functions. Scientists have hypothesized their role in bipolar disorder for decades, but have never proven it.
The new University of Michigan result points to a clear difference in the density of monoamine-releasing cells in the brains of bipolar people even when they are not having symptoms. Zeroing the PET scanner in on areas of the brain where monoamine-releasing cells are concentrated, the team looked for the faint signal of a weakly radioactive tracer, DTBZ, which they had injected into the bloodstream of the 16 participants and 16 people without bipolar disorder.
DTBZ binds only to a protein called VMAT2 inside monoamine-releasing cells, making it a good tracking device for the density of those cells. It is also often used in PET scanning to study Parkinson's disease, which is characterized by a severe shortage of cells that produce dopamine. On PET scans, DTBZ density - and therefore monoamine cell density - can be quantified by the amount of radioactive signal present in different areas.
By looking at the intensity of the DTBZ signal in all the subjects' brains, the University of Michigan team found that bipolar patients averaged 31 percent more binding sites in the region known as the thalamus, and 28 percent more in the ventral brain stem. In the thalamus, bipolar women actually had levels nearing those of healthy comparison subjects, but bipolar men had a 42 percent higher binding rate, suggesting that there may be specific biological causes for the clinical differences in the course of the illness in men and women.
Adding in the results of functional tests, they found that the more monoamine cells patients had, the lower their scores on tests of executive function and verbal learning. This finding confirms earlier results from research at the University of Michigan, and suggests that the altered brain chemistry due to the excess monoamine cells may directly impact the patients' cognitive and social function.
The study was carefully designed to produce consistent results. It compared brain scans and neuropsychological test results from bipolar disorder I patients who were using medications to control their symptoms, and healthy subjects matched to the bipolar subjects for age, sex, ethnicity, handedness and other factors. Careful physical and psychiatric exams ruled out differences caused by other variables. Now, Zubieta and his colleagues hope their initial finding will lead to further research on brain chemistry and bipolar disorder. Specifically, more study is needed to examine which kinds of monoamine cells are involved - Zubieta especially suspects those that produce serotonin and norepinephrine. Those findings could help define specific subtypes of bipolar disorder, and aid development of medications and drug combinations that target a specific patient's personal brain chemistry to alleviate symptoms. Genetic research, too, will be needed to find out why bipolar brains grow more than the usual allotment of such cells. Bipolar disorder I has a strong but still unknown tie to DNA; studies of identical twins show that if one twin has it, the other has an 80 percent chance of having it, too. Zubieta is hopeful that genetic markers will one day be found that can help people know their risk of developing bipolar disorder.
A combination of both genetic research and neuroimaging studies would help define both the genetic components of this illness, and their relationship with the expression of specific brain chemical markers in specific patients.
The University of Michigan is launching a new trial that will enroll patients who have just been diagnosed with bipolar disorder, and those with a family history of the disease that puts them at higher risk.
"The reality is that we still have only sketches of what is going on in these brains, what the basic changes are, and how they are related to the course of illness," Zubieta says. "We need to look farther."
The study was funded by the University of Michigan's General Clinical Research Center, by the National Alliance for Research on Schizophrenia and Depression, and by the Mental Illness Research Association's Arthur Forrest Tull II Research Fund.
BTW, manic depressive disorder and bipolar disorder are the same thing.
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Re: I consumed 4,850 mg of Tylenol today [Re: s240779]
#14441799 - 05/12/11 07:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Jaysus this turned into a big string of drama, all I want to know is are we presenting superhigh with a Darwin Award or not?
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Re: I consumed 4,850 mg of Tylenol today [Re: Spiderbaby]
#14441826 - 05/12/11 07:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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he's still alive, brah
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Re: I consumed 4,850 mg of Tylenol today [Re: Salomon]
#14441904 - 05/12/11 07:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: I consumed 4,850 mg of Tylenol today [Re: Spiderbaby]
#14441922 - 05/12/11 07:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Good news, he got rid of his headache!
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Re: I consumed 4,850 mg of Tylenol today [Re: Devlish2]
#14441932 - 05/12/11 08:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: I consumed 4,850 mg of Tylenol today [Re: Spiderbaby]
#14441933 - 05/12/11 08:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Percs just suck, after awhile. They put that tylenol in there to make you sick.
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Re: I consumed 4,850 mg of Tylenol today [Re: s240779]
#14450223 - 05/14/11 09:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, even though they tested me at the hospital and said everything's fine, I've been experiencing cramps in my liver for days, and I'm experiencing two symptoms of a stressed liver: aches and pains in my limbs and loss of libido (if I jerk off I cum but I don't orgasm).
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Re: I consumed 4,850 mg of Tylenol today [Re: s240779]
#14450275 - 05/14/11 09:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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