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IamMatt
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Breakthrough dose?
#14428636 - 05/10/11 07:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, I found a new hook up. Last time I did cid I took two hits. It was nice. Introspective enough but I felt there was a barrier that I wasn't letting my self breach when it came to examining things. Assuming this is average quality acid, I realize average is subjective, how many hits would i need to not have any inhibitions about examining my subconscious or whatever that barrier was blocking.
also apologies if breakthrough wasn't the right word.
I've done shrooms a few times, cid a few times, salvia but it was a weak trip, and dxm a bunch when i was younger, not that that really counts for anything besides handling disorientation. but yeah.. thank you for you time if you read or answer this.
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Re: Breakthrough dose? [Re: IamMatt]
#14428679 - 05/10/11 07:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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6 hits will get you pretty far if you can handle it but it lasts a long time. I'd go with DMT since it only last a few minutes.
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IamMatt
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Re: Breakthrough dose? [Re: sk8fast]
#14428701 - 05/10/11 08:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I sadly do not have access to dmt. What tips could I get for i guess a truly psychedelic dose? which is what i'm assuming 6 hits is.
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Re: Breakthrough dose? [Re: IamMatt]
#14428707 - 05/10/11 08:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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IamMatt said: What tips could I get for i guess a truly psychedelic dose? which is what i'm assuming 6 hits is.
Avoid too much pre-planning. Just have some good ambient music lined up like shpongle or whatever you're into.
Avoid tripping around sober people. For "breaking through" you best trip alone but have a sitter around could be alright as long as they keep out of your way.
Apart from that, just go with the flow have a good time and see where your mind takes you.
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Re: Breakthrough dose? [Re: Dawks]
#14428723 - 05/10/11 08:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dosage regarding acid is very difficult to gauge since acid varies in potency. It's much easier to give you a dosage regarding Shrooms, since we can assume potency levels for certain strains.
Best advice that I can give for the Cid, is for you to go on two trips: 1. Take some tabs and determine how strong the acid is (or have a friend test flight the acid for you). 2. Next, after determining how strong the acid is, do a second trip (several weeks later) and take as many hits as you see fit for "break through".
*Note: dosage advice for LSD is almost impossible over the net unless we have an objective means of determining potency.
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Re: Breakthrough dose? [Re: IamMatt]
#14428731 - 05/10/11 08:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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4 is plenty if it's of a decent quality . Read some Leary, Huxley, or Castaneda to learn about large dosing. Leary and Huxley always said psychedelics are a key to unlock the door of consciousness, And it's not about the size of the dose it's more about the key that unlocks it. The main thing about using today's chemicals is to be very careful, it's almost impossible to know exactly what your getting. Naturals are the way to go. Have fun be healthy.
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IamMatt
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I thought this might be the problem and will probably do this.
It's going for $10 a hit which is cheap as shit around here where it's usually $15 or $20
on that topic. how do i know if it's a, i think they are called, Dox? that stuff that goes around on tabs but isn't acid, make for a way longer, heavy, and i guess overall shitier trip.
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Re: Breakthrough dose? [Re: IamMatt]
#14428947 - 05/10/11 09:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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dox doesnt mean shitty... but you almost just have to take it to find out. but watch your dosage on doxs.
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IamMatt
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well i'm going to do a test dose anyways so taking to much shouldn't be a problem but how do i know if it's dox or not?
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Re: Breakthrough dose? [Re: IamMatt]
#14430028 - 05/10/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I stay very clear from RC's so I cant give you a definitive answer on how to know if you have it or how much to take. I do know the come on takes awhile and the experience lasts quite a bit longer. My advice is be very careful with whatever you think you have. There's allot safer and more natural ways to produce mind expanding states. The risk people take using RC's is definitely not worth it in my opinion. Permanent damage is not worth it. So have fun and be safe.
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My advice is to find a nice quiet remote place preferably out on a trail or field on a beautiful day away from sober people or any other distractons. Assuming average potency atleast 3 tabs will be lead to a pretty decent introspective trip. When you place it on your tongue and if it is bitter to taste there is a possibility that it is some research chem, bc generally good cid is tastless (there are exceptions to this rule of course) The saying goes if its bitter its a spitter! Have fun bro!
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Re: Breakthrough dose? [Re: Sorealism]
#14430695 - 05/10/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Around 6 tabs is a good marker.. do them and see where it takes you!
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Re: Breakthrough dose? [Re: IamMatt]
#14430700 - 05/10/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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IamMatt said: I thought this might be the problem and will probably do this.
It's going for $10 a hit which is cheap as shit around here where it's usually $15 or $20
on that topic. how do i know if it's a, i think they are called, Dox? that stuff that goes around on tabs but isn't acid, make for a way longer, heavy, and i guess overall shitier trip.
DOx's aren't too hard to identify if you know what good acid is like. Usually they have more of a noticeable taste, and it's kind of metallic. Also the main thing that is different is the length, acid (at normal doses) is usually mostly done by 12 - 14 hours, but DOx's usually last closer to 18 - 20 hours and even up to 30 hours at slightly higher doses.
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Re: Breakthrough dose? [Re: ghotbijr]
#14431995 - 05/10/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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My advice on DOx's is "If it's bitter it's a spitter"....DOI and DOB blotters I had obtained in the past tasted very bitter and chemically. LSD will have a slight metallic taste like putting a coin on your tongue
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Re: Breakthrough dose? [Re: JimLahey]
#14432214 - 05/10/11 10:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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if your getting a proper dose of L, 1-2 hits should be plenty.
If its average can be as high as a 5-10 strip. Always test out a single blotter before you eat a large dose of the same batch, to avoid getting your ass kicked.
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Re: Breakthrough dose? [Re: Austrip]
#14432516 - 05/10/11 10:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I always start with 2 and work my way up depending on the stuff and my surroundings, but 4 or 5 seems to be my golden number for a nice trip, 8 if I want to push it and reeeeeeally have a good time.
Like most people will say, you should start out with a few and add to it until you are where you want to be. Not to mention it really depends on the acid.
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Altered States said: I stay very clear from RC's so I cant give you a definitive answer on how to know if you have it or how much to take. I do know the come on takes awhile and the experience lasts quite a bit longer. My advice is be very careful with whatever you think you have. There's allot safer and more natural ways to produce mind expanding states. The risk people take using RC's is definitely not worth it in my opinion. Permanent damage is not worth it. So have fun and be safe.
i apologize for a stupid question, but what is RC ?
Edited by Zzzarathustra (05/11/11 07:53 PM)
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Austrip
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^^^ research chemical
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a real crazy you know like a guy that you just gotta stay away from
damnit
Edited by drr (05/11/11 12:07 AM)
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Re: Breakthrough dose? [Re: drr]
#14436640 - 05/11/11 07:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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also, what's DOx, DOI and DOB ?
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DOI and DOB are pretty much the same length, trip wise, but DOI is supposedly "safer" on the body.
DOx refers to the various DO(x) like DOI, DOB. There are at least 8 or 9 of these.
DOB is 2,5-Dimethoxy-4-bromoamphetamine DOI is 2,5-Dimethoxy-4-iodoamphetamine
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Re: Breakthrough dose? [Re: sandi]
#14437428 - 05/11/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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so it's basically a synthesized chemical similar to LSD ?
is it better/worse ? is it harmful ? where can I read more about DOx vs. LSD ?
EDIT: didn't see the post above, thanks for the link
Edited by Zzzarathustra (05/11/11 10:09 PM)
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JimLahey
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Zzzarathustra said: so it's basically a synthesized chemical similar to LSD ?
is it better/worse ? is it harmful ? where can I read more about DOx vs. LSD ?
EDIT: didn't see the post above, thanks for the link
It is the amphetamine analogue of 2cB (DOB), 2CC (DOC), 2cI (DOI).... at least that is what my understanding is.
I think it is worse personally, it is a much longer trip and has a lot stronger of a body load. It is common to feel vascoconstriction and a real speedy feeling. It is somewhat more sociable than LSD, at least IME this is probably from the amphetamine structure in it. There is also a higher chance of jaw tension, muscle tension, diarrhea, vomitting, and many other negative side effects.
Try erowid for information on the substances, you should be able to get an idea about the differences.
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Quote:
Zzzarathustra said: so it's basically a synthesized chemical similar to LSD ?
is it better/worse ? is it harmful ? where can I read more about DOx vs. LSD ?
EDIT: didn't see the post above, thanks for the link
It is similar to LSD but in the world of psychedelic drugs you wouldn't really say that. Its more of a mescaline analog.
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Re: Breakthrough dose? [Re: JimLahey]
#14437742 - 05/11/11 10:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm fairly sure its 2cb is an analogue of mescaline, DOB is an analogue of 2CB.
I think the difference between them is the dosage range in which they are active. Mescaline is fairly high, in the 100mg-700mg range 2CB being lower, in the 5-50mg range and DOB, being in the 0.2-2 mg range
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Re: Breakthrough dose? [Re: JimLahey]
#14437745 - 05/11/11 10:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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JimLahey said:
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Zzzarathustra said:
Try erowid for information on the substances, you should be able to get an idea about the differences.
Maybe you'll disagree but for me, I've done acid probably at least...30 times or so, maybe more. I know that's not a lot for many people. But for me, I'm really unsure if I've even taken DOx's or whatever else might be on a blotter. The trips are all so different, I can't tell. I guess I'd just need to eat more to really get a feel for it. But it won't be easy for a beginner to tell the difference, without obvious signs like a super bitter blotter. I think i've probably eaten some DOx or another at least once or twice, but I thought they were all acid when I was on them. It has only been in hindsight that it occurred to me.
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Re: Breakthrough dose? [Re: FleshCap]
#14437787 - 05/11/11 11:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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FleshCap said: Dosage regarding acid is very difficult to gauge since acid varies in potency. It's much easier to give you a dosage regarding Shrooms, since we can assume potency levels for certain strains.
except that when you shoot spores into jars you are growing out millions of different strains.
dont talk bout mushrooms 'less you know mushrooms.
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Re: Breakthrough dose? [Re: k00laid]
#14438310 - 05/12/11 01:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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thanks for the info. It kinda sucks that you probably never know what you are getting. Even if you have a reliable contact, if he's not a chemist and didn't make it himself, he probably wouldn't know either.
I'm set on trying it this summer (since I have enough experience with shrooms), but now, after reading you guys, I really don't wanna get anything other than LSD, yet I realize I have no control or knowledge over what I end up with, just pure luck. Sucks major anus.
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You can always check out bluelight's "Acid In (insert country/continent)" thread.... you can find lots of info on your blotters in your area.
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