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Feeling like you're dieing.
    #14427797 - 05/10/11 12:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It seems like feeling like you are dieing is a pretty common side effect of hallucinogens during the come up (Some people get anxiety over this).  How would you guy explain what this really is? I'm just curious of different peoples' perception of the whole experience.

I think it is actually not yourself that is dieing, but instead, your ego. Your sense of yourself is getting smaller and you think you are dieing.

I've experienced this with 4 hits of strong acid. My mind was disconnecting from my physical body and my mind felt like it was not inside of my head anymore and it scared me. I thought that I was literally "losing my mind" meaning that my mind was not in my head. I could still walk and control my body but I felt disconnected from it.

What do you guys think of this phenomena?


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Re: Feeling like you're dieing. [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14427803 - 05/10/11 12:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_death

You hit the nail on the head.


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Re: Feeling like you're dieing. [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14427810 - 05/10/11 12:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

that thing called 'self' is beind done away with by the halucinogen. When this thing you identify with starts to dissipate you feel what is called dying. The false 'self' going away is the only true death one can ever experience, it is much different from physical death and opens one up to the Self


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Re: Feeling like you're dieing. [Re: Shy Guy]
    #14427811 - 05/10/11 01:01 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

ego death isnt feeling like you are dying

its the dissolving of ones ego so that you no longer know that you as a person exist, you lack he concept of being human or being who you personally are.


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Re: Feeling like you're dieing. [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14427865 - 05/10/11 01:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It happens.

My last trip (24g fresh, more potent than expected) gave me this sort of experience. There was a point where my physical self was in such a chaotic state, that I said to myself "fuck it, I'm leaving this sack of chemicals that are attached my mind."

It was the first time I'd ever reached this state, I had completely left my body, I was somewhere inside the chaos of my mind under shrooms. It's hard to describe what exactly was going on in my head, but it felt like my brain was just making random connections giving me the most abstract thoughts.

When I came to, I was in hell. My roommate comes down the hall out of his room where he'd been the whole time, he comes out as the devil. So I'm there laying on the couch watching, just observing, in a state of now absolute calm after the intense episode in my mind. I had died, been reborn, and was being greeted by the devil.

The situation feels surreal, yet strangely like the most real and alive I have ever felt. The room was clear, my glasses seemed to be smudge free, a surprise after rolling around on the ground smudging my face. Everything that moved had smooth tracers. The devils eyes were cloudy and creepy, as they never seemed to communicate, just a blank, meaningless stare.

The feeling I had during this time was a feeling of rebirth, what comes after death, I could have been in heaven or hell. It felt as if I had just experienced my entire life and realized how it had been the most beautiful experience I could have had, as if my life was a movie written specifically for me to experience from start to finish, every interaction being planned out in advance to have an impact on me in some way. My life was a lesson. I was hear to learn something from this world and take it on with me into the next.

So, there I was, sitting in the living room in front of the TV with a bong on the table. The devil casually moves toward the bong, loads it, and offers it to me. Much goes through my head at this point. I'm confused, I have no idea what the devils intentions are, or what events will happen to me in this place that is possibly hell.

Long story short, the devil or god (seems like they are one being... a very neutral kinda guy but has intentions beyond our understanding on earth) takes the body of my roommate. We smoke plenty of bowls and silently watch TV with each show/commercial/glimpse of whatever I saw had some connecting to an experience in my life.

Anyway, its a very deep, learning experience for that slowly comes closer and closer back to reality and the devil slowly turns back into my goofy stoner roommate. While he was the devil, he was the slickest, smoothest person I'd met.

So, pretty much, I was Jesus for a night.


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Re: Feeling like you're dieing. [Re: The Phleg]
    #14453342 - 05/14/11 08:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Bump. Feeling like you're dieing on a strong trip? I thought it was quite an interesting experience. Knowing I'm still alive in the physical world but feeling so distant from it really just tripped me out.


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Re: Feeling like you're dieing. [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14453388 - 05/14/11 08:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"It's not you but your ego" or something along those lines is what you said, OP. You are your ego. That's you. You are an ego. When you experience ego death you don't exist. Your dead, mentally. It's the same as dying physically except your body doesn't die during ego death.


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Re: Feeling like you're dieing. [Re: Sheekle]
    #14453730 - 05/14/11 09:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Here's a mind blower... You really are dying whether you like it or not.


No sweat, you're living at the same time. :dancer:


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Re: Feeling like you're dieing. [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14453758 - 05/14/11 09:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

triptamines are natural chemicals found inside the human brain ... the largest cache of which resides in the pineal gland of the brain and is released at the onset of physical death ... little wonder tripping and death feel and are so synonymous ... like you've been there before eh ?


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Re: Feeling like you're dieing. [Re: cyantific]
    #14454514 - 05/15/11 01:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

One time i was with my friends who were tripping on cubes and this girl who was doing 1.5 for her second time and is insanely tiny thought she full on died and was in heaven.....fuckin faggot LOL.


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Re: Feeling like you're dieing. [Re: cyantific]
    #14495399 - 05/22/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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triptamines are natural chemicals found inside the human brain ... the largest cache of which resides in the pineal gland of the brain and is released at the onset of physical death ... little wonder tripping and death feel and are so synonymous ... like you've been there before eh ?





That was never proven..A good hypothesis though.


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Re: Feeling like you're dieing. [Re: cyantific]
    #14497203 - 05/23/11 01:01 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Fuck ya xavier!


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Re: Feeling like you're dieing. [Re: Cactilove]
    #14507415 - 05/24/11 10:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I guess I got lucky my first time!!


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Re: Feeling like you're dieing. [Re: bmack]
    #14507451 - 05/24/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thats a symtom of ego death, psychedelics at low to medium doses usually don't have that effect though sometimes I suppose they could.


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Re: Feeling like you're dieing. [Re: Smawrpg]
    #14511358 - 05/25/11 06:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I freaked out the first time this happened I was alone and only had 2 trips under my belt. I get the chills thinking about the terror I felt.


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Re: Feeling like you're dieing. [Re: 2shoes]
    #14511470 - 05/25/11 07:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I found that what I perceive as "me" is simply whatever state of mind I'm in at the time. Luckily, I smoke a lot of pot so I'm generally a happy person.

The brain is just a big ball of flesh. Thoughts are tools to fix puzzles just like hands are tools used to move objects. There's no sense in holding onto thoughts and saying "this is me". The only reason we even know who we are is because somebody told us our name and what day we were born. Then we spend our entire lives growing up trying to please others so that our egos feel good. Think about it this way, if somebody smiles at you, your ego feels good, right? If they frown, you might be self-conscious or maybe even upset about it. The trick is to be a good person, who helps others and is happy, because you want to be. Not because of other people's opinions of you. Don't listen to them. Be your own person.

"If you're dying and you're holding on, you'll see demons tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, you'll see that the demons are actually angels, freeing you from the earth"

Although this is about life and death and not sobriety versus drugs, you can see the point. Let me just retype it here.

"If you're balls deep in an acid trip and you're holding on, you'll see demons crawling up your legs with knives in their mouths laughing maniacally. But if you remember that you're on drugs and keep positive and happy, you'll see that the demons are really angels, here to show you wonderful things in your mind and vision."

The trick is to accept and move on. You can be continuously happy just because you want to be. I know, because I live it every day.

Shedding the ego is nothing to be scared of. If you feel fear, let go of it and replace it with happiness and curiosity. Rebuild into a better person. Spread happiness, cheer, and joy wherever you go. Do not judge the splinter in others' eye only to have a plank in yours. But most of all, enjoy yourself. :peace:


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Re: Feeling like you're dieing. [Re: cyantific]
    #14511484 - 05/25/11 07:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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triptamines are natural chemicals found inside the human brain ... the largest cache of which resides in the pineal gland of the brain and is released at the onset of physical death ... little wonder tripping and death feel and are so synonymous ... like you've been there before eh ?




this is complete bullshit.

sorry.


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Re: Feeling like you're dieing. [Re: k00laid]
    #14527632 - 05/28/11 06:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Good post, joolz. Those are the ways in which I'm trying to live my life recently.


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Re: Feeling like you're dieing. [Re: occollegeboi]
    #14527674 - 05/28/11 06:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Good post, joolz. Those are the ways in which I'm trying to live my life recently.




Good luck man. I started my journey last August or September or so. I was going into the Marines. Was gonna be a grunt. I WANTED to go to the middle-east and fight for my country like a brain washed dipshit. The only reason I even signed up was because I thought you HAD to go into something to be successful. Hated school, so fuck college. I was always athletic so military just sounded like the right thing. Luckily I learned that that life is not for me in time to simply step out and say "no thank you" rather than serve time that I didn't want to serve.

Its a process man. It almost seems like you never progress, or at least for me it did. At this point, it takes the right question to trigger the right thought, and then I can just go on and on about my view of life and how I live it. I'm still learning how to put my spirituality in words. That's definitely a very difficult part of the whole process.

If you keep at it though, it'll happen. Some day, you'll have a conversation and somebody will ask you the fateful question that fires all the neurons in your brain. You'll find that you have tons of information and answers for this one question, and then you talk for 25 minutes and blow the other person's mind.

That's the first time I realized I was actually learning something pretty "far out." I literally went on a rant for 15 minutes about the ego and how people have a totally wrong (imo) concept of who they are and who they should be. At the end, I had them so speechless and mindfucked all they could say was "you sound like a wise old guru." I felt a pang of pride, but of course I try to not let it go to my head. :awelol:

Feel free to :pm: me. I'm always happy to converse about life philosophies.


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Re: Feeling like you're dieing. [Re: k00laid]
    #14530043 - 05/29/11 10:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Is serotonin a tryptamine? if so that's found in the brain. As the whole death thing goes expect it to be quite different than a mushroom trip.


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