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ron paul is a charlatan * 1
    #14427755 - 05/10/11 12:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Just felt like putting that out there, for those of you who can't see through his act.

1) No chance he'll be elected, much less nominated for presidential candidacy by the GOP. The GOP establishment are not big fans of crazy ideas like ending the drug war and dissolving the fed. Even if he were somehow nominated and then through some staggering miracle against the odds got elected president, his own party would fight tooth and nail against the policies he claims to advocate.

2) He knows this, and he exploits anti-drug-war passions to the very best of his ability to gain name recognition and campaign contributions.

3) His son, Rand Paul, actually has a chance of being elected someday, being that he doesn't have the same sort of spotty (disloyal to the GOP) record that his father does. Also, he is photogenic, whereas his father is no more attractive than the equally-awesome-but-similarly-doomed Democratic perennial Denis Kucinich.



I still wouldn't vote for Rand Paul unless that particular dynasty develops a much more comprehensive understanding of economics and a much less-racist view of American culture.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 4
    #14427759 - 05/10/11 12:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

He's a charlatan because, by your standards, he has no chance?


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14427760 - 05/10/11 12:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

GOP doesn't get anything done no matter who they elect


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: gzuf]
    #14427761 - 05/10/11 12:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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He's a charlatan because, by your standards, he has no chance?




He's a charlatan because by his own standards he has no chance. He is full of hot air.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14427771 - 05/10/11 12:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think his economic views are bullshit, but I don't for a minute doubt the sincerity of his beliefs.  The shit he says in debates gets a rise out a very vocal minority, but almost assure that he'll never get elected.  So no, I don't think he's a charlatan.  A cult leader, maybe.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Silversoul]
    #14427775 - 05/10/11 12:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I think his economic views are bullshit, but I don't for a minute doubt the sincerity of his beliefs.  The shit he says in debates gets a rise out a very vocal minority, but almost assure that he'll never get elected.  So no, I don't think he's a charlatan.  A cult leader, maybe.




You think he means the stuff he says? I must be getting cynical.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14427783 - 05/10/11 12:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I just think that if he was personally invested in the populism he conjures, he would be running as a Democrat or as an Independent. He should know by now that the GOP doesn't choose candidates based upon who makes the most sense. The GOP chooses candidates based upon an inner-party hierarchy.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14427785 - 05/10/11 12:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I think his economic views are bullshit, but I don't for a minute doubt the sincerity of his beliefs.  The shit he says in debates gets a rise out a very vocal minority, but almost assure that he'll never get elected.  So no, I don't think he's a charlatan.  A cult leader, maybe.




You think he means the stuff he says? I must be getting cynical.



I don't see what benefit he gets out of faking it.  I mean, sure he's popular with a small group of young people and some of the less despicable Tea Partiers, but his outspokenness on some very controversial issues virtually ensure that he'll never get elected.  I think he does it to advance his ideas more than himself.  He's the opposite of a charlatan:  he's an ideologue.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #14427786 - 05/10/11 12:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The fuck?  Why do you think he doesn't mean what he says?  His voting record is extremely consistent with everything he has ever claimed.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14427789 - 05/10/11 12:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I just think that if he was personally invested in the populism he conjures, he would be running as a Democrat or as an Independent. He should know by now that the GOP doesn't choose candidates based upon who makes the most sense. The GOP chooses candidates based upon an inner-party hierarchy.



He ran as a Libertarian Party candidate in 1988.  I think he decided he would get better publicity running as a major party candidate, and as a pro-life fiscal conservative, he felt more at home in the Republican party than the Democratic party.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #14427800 - 05/10/11 12:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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He's a charlatan because by his own standards he has no chance. He is full of hot air.




I don't know what his own standards are, but you are probably right. He doesn't have a big chance. He has no chance because the accepted two party system is built atop such a machine of money and influence that there is absolutely no space for anyone with a unique idea or different perspective then right vs. left to enter. You can't beat these amounts of money as an essentially 3rd party Republican. It's a shame, but I'd imagine Ron Paul wouldn't say that to turn off would-be voters.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: gzuf] * 4
    #14427813 - 05/10/11 01:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ron Paul doesn't have a chance because he speaks truth in an environment that is anti-truth and pro-bullshit. A fairly predictable scenario.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14427880 - 05/10/11 01:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I just think that if he was personally invested in the populism he conjures, he would be running as a Democrat or as an Independent.




Right, a guy who is all about limited government, wants to abolish the Dept. of Education and thinks charity should be handled by the private sector is going to run as a Democrat?  I mean, I know the GOP is no longer a party of limited gov't but 'traditionally' it was, and RP is a traditional kind of guy.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Viveka] * 4
    #14427905 - 05/10/11 01:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Your reasoning for calling him a "charlatan" basically consists of, "He wants to legalize drugs, and he's ugly".


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: blewmeanie]
    #14427930 - 05/10/11 01:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm saying that after so long in the GOP he must know by now that he has no chance of being nominated by the GOP and yet, he continues to run as a Republican. This leads me to believe that he has absolutely no actual intention to run for the presidency.

I'd honestly LIKE for y'all to be right. I'd like to have a strongly anti-big-government, anti-drug war President.

But I also happen to notice that he's not even trying. If he was serious about his rhetoric he would not be running for the Republican ticket.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14427942 - 05/10/11 01:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm saying that after so long in the GOP he must know by now that he has no chance of being nominated by the GOP and yet, he continues to run as a Republican. This leads me to believe that he has absolutely no actual intention to run for the presidency.



So what?  Running for president can help spread your ideas even if you don't win the nomination.  That's why Dennis Kucinich still does it.

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But I also happen to notice that he's not even trying. If he was serious about his rhetoric he would not be running for the Republican ticket.



As Viveka pointed out, his ideas are pretty well at home in the Goldwater faction of the Republican party.  And he would have even less chance of winning if he ran as a Democrat.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14427949 - 05/10/11 01:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'd say he is more republican than a lot of more mainstream republicans. Afterall, if he got the nomination as a republican at least he has the help, presumably, of fellow Republicans. From what I know Ron Paul isn't related to Michael Bloomberg and doesn't have $1 billion dollars to run an independent campaign. At the very least he has a platform to voice his ideals and gain influence, which I argue you see a lot of. I'd also argue with the current crowd of presidential hopefuls this is his best chance.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Silversoul]
    #14427967 - 05/10/11 01:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Classical conservatism is dead. Chris Buckley, son of the infamous William F .Buckley, recently got fired from the National Review (founded by his father) for having endorsed Obama and for noticing that the right-wing movement is being increasingly bogged-down by radical elements.

The Republican party is almost entirely neoconservative by now; they are tacitly in favor of big government and of American military intervention throughout the world. These fundamentals run directly contrary to the original conservative movement.

Ron Paul knows this, but I just can't take him seriously. I know he has no hope. :shrug: I call him a charlatan because if he was serious about his principles he would not be running on the Republican ticket. The Republican Party is directly opposed to everything he claims to believe. Any progressive-minded member of the GOP is an anomaly ignored by the party hierarchy.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14427986 - 05/10/11 02:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Again, I'm totally against the drug war and against the police state, just like Paul. I just don't think he's in a position to accomplish anything, at all. He's just trying to get reelected.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #14428479 - 05/10/11 06:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

so wait... you support his positions but wont vote for him because you feel
he wouldnt get elected or even get the nomination or even win the primaries

have you ever heard the term 'wasted vote', it's where you vote for someone
because you think they have a shot at winning instead of voting for the one
who's ideals are similar to your own... why not just go vote at the horse
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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14428498 - 05/10/11 06:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The reason he won't get elected is because the Family Values Right is going to attack him mercilessly over his drug policies.  He is highly electable--but he won't be allowed into the inner circle because it isn't 'his turn'.  Instead, the republicans will elect some bonehead like McCain, or a 'Family Values' guy who will drive away the left moderates and centrists and the independents. 

But to say the Repubs don't get anything done...how is The Community Organizer doin' for you? 

Point is, if you want a nanny-state globalist running the show, and business as usual, vote for the Establishment Dem or Republican.

Obama is just Bush on Steroids--they are both low-life, weasel nanny-state, bank-lovin', corporate owned puppets with globalist intentions. 

If Obama was any different, we wouldn't be in Libya right now, and 'considering action' against Syria.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14428507 - 05/10/11 06:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Of course he can't change anything.  It 1 man VS a a shadow government that utilises financial corruption and military might to retain power and control by deception and force.

If you actually had a democracy then maybe he would stand a chance but you have the same shit we have - a  charade.  Our politicians are ruled by the oligarchy who hand in hand control finance and the military.

Politics is underneath military and money in terms of actual power to alter the system.

TBH its amusing that anyone bothers to discuss or vote on the puppet show at all. 


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: starfire_xes]
    #14428547 - 05/10/11 07:03 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: nice1] * 2
    #14428556 - 05/10/11 07:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Of course he can't change anything.  It 1 man VS a a shadow government that utilises financial corruption and military might to retain power and control by deception and force.

If you actually had a democracy then maybe he would stand a chance but you have the same shit we have - a  charade. 





no, we actually have choices, unlike the commonwealth nations where it doesnt
matter wht the people want, we can make a difference in our nation either by
vote or by revolt... you guys can do neither since you have no guns


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Prisoner#1]
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    #14428608 - 05/10/11 07:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Its too late for that because the USA government was hijacked by corporations a very long time ago...

Your guns won't help - they already have that figured out...

if you revolt with weapons - you'll have martial law and a complete totalitarian security state in 2 seconds flat - its already been built around you and you stood by and let it happen.  Your in the exact same position as us in the UK.



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we can make a difference in our nation either by
vote or by revolt... you guys can do neither since you have no guns






We have guns as well BTW - no law has ever stopped the illegal gun trade.

Yeah you can make a difference - you can go out and get shot by some foreigner working for your army or get on the train to the FEMA "safety center" :smirk:

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    #14428625 - 05/10/11 07:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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CNN Poll: Ron Paul Stands Best Chance Against Obama





That was my feeling, because he is the only one who can suck away centrist democrats and socially liberal independents. 

A 'Family Values' guy from the Republicans == Obama Wins.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: nice1]
    #14428657 - 05/10/11 07:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Its too late for that because the USA government was hijacked by corporations a very long time ago...

Your guns won't help - they already have that figured out...




lol... the military is comprised of citizens, most are conservatives, and
your claim of the US being taken over by corporations, shadow governments
and all that crap, ludicrous


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if you revolt with weapons - you'll have martial law and a complete totalitarian security state in 2 seconds flat - its already been built around you and you stood by and let it happen.  Your in the exact same position as us in the UK.




the military is comprised of citizens, most are conservatives, even within
our military there's a large and growing group of people more than willing
to 'defect' as opposed to following the order to institute martial law or
violate Posse Comitatus. The politicians cant fly the planes, operate the
tanks and half wouldnt even know what to do with a rifle, in fact the only
thing Obama shoots is hoops



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We have guns as well BTW - no law has ever stopped the illegal gun trade.

Yeah you can make a difference - you can go out and get shot by some foreigner working for your army :smirk:  great choices :thumbup:




why yes, 16 illegal guns against a loyalist police/military, you're on an
island, it wouldnt take anything to shut down all traffic into and out of
great britain, the Us has an extremly porous border as is evidenced by the
30 million illegal immigrants, the illegal weapons and drugs smuggled in
and weapons being smuggled out, you cant lock down america, we'll just use
the mexican drug tunnels and the unmapped logging roads to canada

wouldnt it be the UN we'd have to worry the most about? but wait, isnt the
US more than 50% of the troops serving with the UN/NATO... well I guess
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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14428689 - 05/10/11 07:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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your claim of the US being taken over by corporations, shadow governments







Its not my claim.  Its fact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman_Sachs#Personnel_.27revolving-door.27_with_U.S._government

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group

We exist in a hierarchy - the military and finance guys are the oligarchy.  These guys are international they control world affairs.  You think they have supporting your interests as a US citizen?  You must of never heard of divide and conquer or megalomania.  They are supporting their own interests Pris - namely to maintain their power.  Its nice to have you ass wiped for you.


Your military has recruits from all over the world - they give them US citizen ship when they sign up.  Doesn't matter anyway - if martial law is declared then soldiers are gonna do exactly what soldiers do - what they are told to do.  Thats what the army cult does - it reprograms people into believing in a war cult - they are trained to follow orders.

I'm not as sure as you that they will turn on their superiors if the public attempted to revolt.  It would be easy to use the media to convince the majority of people and the army the revolters are extremists or terrorists.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: nice1]
    #14429007 - 05/10/11 09:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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your claim of the US being taken over by corporations, shadow governments







Its not my claim.  Its fact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman_Sachs#Personnel_.27revolving-door.27_with_U.S._government




just because obama has broken over 9000 promises doesnt mean the
government is owned by corporations, you should really learn to tell
the difference... it's crucial. this is obama's method of repaying his
election debts

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group






lol... conspiracy drivel, buildaburger franchises will soon be everywhere


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They are supporting their own interests Pris - namely to maintain their power.




who out there is actually acting in some selfless manner... name one 



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Your military has recruits from all over the world - they give them US citizen ship when they sign up.  Doesn't matter anyway - if martial law is declared then soldiers are gonna do exactly what soldiers do - what they are told to do.  Thats what the army cult does - it reprograms people into believing in a war cult - they are trained to follow orders.




Can the Army help me obtain U.S. citizenship?
No. The U.S. military cannot assist foreign nationals in obtaining admittance into the United States. (it does look better on the citizenship application)

Regulations prohibit the forwarding of recruiting information through international mail, even to U.S. citizens living in foreign countries.

foreign nationals cant serve in any field that handles classified or
secret information, they cannot serve as officers and out of the 2 million
active duty personnel, about 30,000 are foreign nationals, just how well
will 30,000 stand against 300 million armed civilians, more than 20
million of those former military themselves



now, what do we know about the army, general knowledge at least


I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.


Uniform Code of Military Justice Article 92

“Any person subject to this chapter who—

      (1) violates or fails to obey any lawful general order or regulation;

      (2) having knowledge of any other lawful order issued by a member of the armed forces, which it is his duty to obey, fails to obey the order; or

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I'm not as sure as you that they will turn on their superiors if the public attempted to revolt.  It would be easy to use the media to convince the majority of people and the army the revolters are extremists or terrorists.




yeah... it would be so easy except most would be our neighbors since 90%
of this population is armed and a growing majority including the military
is growing dissatisfied with how the politicians are running shit into the
ground by trying to repay all those favors


people grossly distort what they dont know about...


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    #14429041 - 05/10/11 09:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Your so blinded by your national pride and ego (desire to control) that you can't even accept the reality and facts I presented you with yet you provide no counter.

Your flat out in denial about the existance of Builderberg and the obvious truth that financiers and military top men are above politicians in the real world hierarchy.

If you can't even figure out whos in control then good luck getting power back with your guns :rotfl:


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: nice1]
    #14429083 - 05/10/11 10:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not one to get the Hot, Hard Cock over conspiracy theories, but there is something to be said about the influence the Banking Industry, and in particular Goldman Sachs, has over our government.  Considering the current and past administrations have been riddled with Goldman Sachs Shills, it makes one wonder.  Let's take the FED and their policies.  Who do they benefit?  BANKS.  Period. 

But rather than say, this is a conspiracy, I say, it is just that politicians like to dip their beaks deeply into the money provided by banks so they can get re-elected.  It is Business As Usual Politics with the likes of Obama and Bush whoring themselves out to the highest bidder. 

As far as the US military, "...(1) violates or fails to obey any lawful general order or regulation"  The Keyword here is LAWFUL.  I don't think a lot of the military would stand by and let a bunch of globalist assholes take control of the country, orders be damned.  Because orders to assist them would be UNLAWFUL orders.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: nice1]
    #14429090 - 05/10/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Your so blinded by your national pride and ego (desire to control) that you can't even accept the reality and facts I presented you with yet you provide no counter.




what facts, a few conspiracy ideas?

I dont display national pride but I'm well aware of whom I served with and who my neighbors are

please, provide me the fact, link me to where foreign nationals are
granted citizenship just for enlisting in the US military

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Your flat out in denial about the existance of Builderberg and the obvious truth that financiers and military top men are above politicians in the real world hierarchy.





who made the denial? I dont deny they exist but like skull & bones I
suspect the big brother is watching side of you believes there's something
far more nefarious than really is present


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: blewmeanie]
    #14429110 - 05/10/11 10:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The fuck?  Why do you think he doesn't mean what he says?  His voting record is extremely consistent with everything he has ever claimed.



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Ron Paul doesn't have a chance because he speaks truth in an environment that is anti-truth and pro-bullshit. A fairly predictable scenario.



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so wait... you support his positions but wont vote for him because you feel
he wouldnt get elected or even get the nomination or even win the primaries

have you ever heard the term 'wasted vote', it's where you vote for someone
because you think they have a shot at winning instead of voting for the one
who's ideals are similar to your own... why not just go vote at the horse
track, there's a chance you could win $100



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Your reasoning for calling him a "charlatan" basically consists of, "He wants to legalize drugs, and he's ugly".


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14433692 - 05/11/11 07:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/us/15immig.html


My point is not to attack you anyway - its just that your idea that UK USA are in different boats is IMO wrong. 

Both countries are existing under the same system and methods of rule (financial and military then propaganda and politics) - probably by the same international oligarchy who have been shown to be meeting - in secret - the bilderberg group. 

UK and USA are partners in crime.  Both our medias fed us shit about WMDs to get us into war - there were no WMDs.  Same propaganda shit thats been happening forever.  World war 1 and 2 - exactly the same.  History is on repeat and its exactly the same today.  People today are just as ignorant as the people back in world war 1 - they WANT to believe the propaganda - its designed to hit on raw emotions - it utilises the same forms of mind control known and employed by all forms of media.

Divide and conquer.  Business as usual for the ruling elite.    The only reason they are pushing the totalitarianism so much now is because of the internet and explosion of free alternative news sources taking away a % of their propaganda control.  If the people start to not accept what they are told then they have to up the security / control by force.

The other thing they do is create a stigma...  "conspiracy theory".  They actual made it seem fringe to believe that business men formulate business plans  :crazy2:  Another raw mind control - because everyone desires to fit in, so you just stigma the conspiracy concept.  Gotta give em credit though, they are hanging on to their power by any means nessacery - its just sad that the masses are so brainwashed they can't even see the same tricks that have been blatently used to control masses of people for centuries.  Then we wonder why they are at the top of the hierarchy acting elitist :grin:

Its like the ultimate :facepalm: for humanity.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: nice1]
    #14433792 - 05/11/11 08:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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nice1 said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/us/15immig.html


My point is not to attack you anyway - its just that your idea that UK USA are in different boats is IMO wrong. 


UK and USA are partners in crime.  Both our medias fed us shit about WMDs to get us into war - there were no WMDs.




even the revered wikileaks posted about WMDs being found, they've been
finding small caches for several years, no they were not nukes which is
the first thing that seems to run through people's mind but they were
still WMDs, capable of killing tens of thousands at a time


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The other thing they do is create a stigma...  "conspiracy theory". 




no, the conspiracy theorists have done that with so many unfounded
speculations, claims of great harm from harmless substances, I remember
when DHMO was brought into the limelight, there was serious panic amongst
most conspiracy theorists because it was "just so vile that the government
would do something like that" only later to find out that it's only water


it's no different than chem trails, earthquake machines, ray guns from
space, nukes under the world trade center, reptilians, haarp or any of the
hundred of other ridiculous, unbacked claims... please tell us, how evil
the bilderbergs are, tell us of the trilateral commission and what of all
those demonic rituals by the power elite at bohemian grove and all with no
proof, it seems to foster well in jealousy and gullibility, those that
have must be evil because they have, they must be up to no good because
they have, no one should be entitled to that much money because they'll
just use it to enslave us all


you know wikileaks publishe the minutes from several years of the
bilderberg meetings... did you bother reading them?


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: nice1]
    #14433812 - 05/11/11 08:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Your so blinded by your national pride and ego (desire to control) that you can't even accept the reality and facts I presented you with yet you provide no counter.

Your flat out in denial about the existance of Builderberg and the obvious truth that financiers and military top men are above politicians in the real world hierarchy.

If you can't even figure out whos in control then good luck getting power back with your guns :rotfl:




Have you ever been to the US?

And please, explain to me how when the shit hits the fan and our military (made up of people just like me) turns the guns on the politicians, bankers, corporate whores and cronies; just what is our shadow government going to do to stop us. 

See the biggest difference between the US and everywhere else is that our forefathers had already dealt with all of that European bullshit and that's why they set things up the way they did, because they know that governments inherently get corrupted.

The reason I ask if you've ever been here is because YOU believe that same shit from the TV that you are mocking us for believing.  You believe that we Americans don't see what's happening, and if you believe that then I got some guns I'd like to sell you. 

Do you really think that the TV is gonna start saying things like:

"Word on American streets is that EVERY_FUCKING_ONE is pissed"

Because I can tell you that wherever I go, most everyone sees what's happening.

Builderberg group can :eatadick: when they give the order for US troops to start killing US citizens, they may be surprised who actually ends up full of bullets.

P.S.  Sounds like you've accepted the fate you see for us, what are YOU gonna do about it?  Peaceful protest :rolleyes:


Sorry for the rant, but what people fucking assume about things kills me.  I know the Builderberg group is planning shitty things for everyone, but that doesn't mean we are defeated already.  There sure are a lot more of us than them.  Has no one studied history, tyrannical governments always fall...always.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14433840 - 05/11/11 08:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

He needs our support, and you won't give it to him?


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: nice1]
    #14433849 - 05/11/11 08:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

as for your news link... these foreign nationals already on the road to
citizenship, in the US for 2 years as legal residents will serve 4 years
active duty leaving a year of time before they become citizens... lol...
takes about 7 years for someone to gain citizenship without the military,
as I stated, it just looks better in the application


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    #14433856 - 05/11/11 08:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Funny thing is that people are so sick of the lies of both parties that someone like Ron Paul who speaks the truth best he can and who has wild (to the mainstream, whatever that is) ideals starts to look like a better alternative to the last 6 fucking idiots that have sat in DC.

I will vote for Ron Paul if I can, last time he wasn't on the ballot in the primaries in Ohio.  I voted Nader last general election, I'll be damned if I vote for someone I don't fucking believe in or agree with.  The biggest problem isn't Ron Paul, it's all these people repeating the "he's unelectable" bullshit so much that it's becoming a slogan for his opposition.

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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: amilibertine]
    #14433864 - 05/11/11 08:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Sorry for the rant, but what people fucking assume about things kills me.  I know the Builderberg group is planning shitty things for everyone





really?

what's so shitty

http://www.schnews.org.uk/bilderberg/bilderberg.html


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    #14433915 - 05/11/11 08:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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even the revered wikileaks posted about WMDs being found, they've been
finding small caches for several years, no they were not nukes which is
the first thing that seems to run through people's mind but they were
still WMDs, capable of killing tens of thousands at a time





You support off shore torture camps (u confessed in another thread a few weeks back)  and government propaganda.  :thumbup:  Good man.  :facepalm:



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no, the conspiracy theorists have done that with so many unfounded
speculations




Yes, the conspiracy theorists.  Not humans, not people.  The LABEL...  :facepalm:  Good to see influencing the ego to gain support for the war machine is as simple as it was 100 years ago.  :facepalm:




I give up.  You win.  You're right.  Whatever... take a history lesson and look around you...  carry on believing what your ego wants you to - thats all you will do.


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    #14433921 - 05/11/11 08:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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what's so shitty?







THIS!



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    #14433928 - 05/11/11 08:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Funny thing is that people are so sick of the lies of both parties that someone like Ron Paul who speaks the truth best he can and who has wild (to the mainstream, whatever that is) ideals starts to look like a better alternative to the last 6 fucking idiots that have sat in DC.

I will vote for Ron Paul if I can, last time he wasn't on the ballot in the primaries in Ohio.  I voted Nader last general election, I'll be damned if I vote for someone I don't fucking believe in or agree with.  The biggest problem isn't Ron Paul, it's all these people repeating the "he's unelectable" bullshit so much that it's becoming a slogan for his opposition.

He's very electable if the people choose the candidates.




this.

And, Paul's a smart guy and understands that the more he publicly talks about his "outlandish" ideas (give Americans back the right to decide what goes in their bodies without fearing government retribution. my god, that's revolutionary! how dare he!) the more the conversation moves to the center.

I don't think he's as concerned with a potential presidency as he is with an honest discussion about some of the more fucked up things that are happening in America which are being almost completely ignored by the government and the media.

The American people aren't stupid (well, at least not all of them). They can see that we are being screwed from multiple angles and many of them are wanting to hear someone, anyone have an honest, direct conversation about the injustices they see happening all around them.

Paul represents one of the only political figures who gets airtime discussing issues that Americans actually give a fuck about.


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    #14433942 - 05/11/11 09:03 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Have you ever been to the US?




I don't need to be there.  I'm in the UK - I have exactly the same shit here.  Its been happening for centuries - just study history.  Its called finance, war and propaganda control.  Don't you guys have history lessons in the USA?


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See the biggest difference between the US and everywhere else is that our forefathers had already dealt with all of that European bullshit




LOL really?  Who gets the dividends from your federal reserve bank?  :lol:


I can't be fucked to educate you - do it yourself - you sound like you never read a history book in your life.


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    #14433965 - 05/11/11 09:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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See the biggest difference between the US and everywhere else is that our forefathers had already dealt with all of that European bullshit




actually:



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    #14433985 - 05/11/11 09:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

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even the revered wikileaks posted about WMDs being found, they've been
finding small caches for several years, no they were not nukes which is
the first thing that seems to run through people's mind but they were
still WMDs, capable of killing tens of thousands at a time





You support off shore torture camps (u confessed in another thread a few weeks back)  and government propaganda.  :thumbup:  Good man.  :facepalm:




you're in favor of giving over the world to terrorists and anti government propaganda

see how these generalizations work... since this is the bit you quoted I'm
assuming that you believe that wikileaks must be a government run clearing
house for disinformation :facepalm:



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no, the conspiracy theorists have done that with so many unfounded
speculations




Yes, the conspiracy theorists.  Not humans, not people.  The LABEL...  :facepalm:  Good to see influencing the ego to gain support for the war machine is as simple as it was 100 years ago.  :facepalm:





are conspiracy theorists  a new species of critter or are they human?


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    #14433989 - 05/11/11 09:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

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what's so shitty?







THIS!






you dont even know what the hell he was talking about in that speech do you?


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    #14434009 - 05/11/11 09:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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And please, explain to me how when the shit hits the fan and our military (made up of people just like me) turns the guns on the politicians, bankers, corporate whores and cronies; just what is our shadow government going to do to stop us. 





Maybe you should ask not what are they going to do but what they have already done...


And Pris  :facepalm: x 1 million


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    #14434021 - 05/11/11 09:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

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Have you ever been to the US?




I don't need to be there.  I'm in the UK - I have exactly the same shit here.





really? where's your armed, law abiding citizens?









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    #14434028 - 05/11/11 09:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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amilibertine said:

And please, explain to me how when the shit hits the fan and our military (made up of people just like me) turns the guns on the politicians, bankers, corporate whores and cronies; just what is our shadow government going to do to stop us. 





Maybe you should ask not what are they going to do but what they have already done...


And Pris  :facepalm: x 1 million





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    #14434107 - 05/11/11 09:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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really? where's your armed, law abiding citizens?












hahaha...Pris, those pics are awesome! americans are amazing in their ability to believe themselves still to be living in "The Wild West". Nation of cowboys, eh? hahaha...:doublefacepalm:


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    #14434173 - 05/11/11 10:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

so you're saying that the average joe doesnt have the right to defend his life against criminals that intend to do harm?

maybe they should wait for the cops, think the murderer will wait while I call 911 to come and save me?

we see how well it works for unarmed citizens, after all, outlawing guns means no one will have them, right

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    #14434207 - 05/11/11 10:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't have an arguement.  I'm telling you to look at historical fact and compare it with today - but you are so BLINDED by the propaganda they fed your ego....

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you're in favor of giving over the world to terrorists




You buy into that shit they fed you about terror?


The USA is invading countries and taking their resources by stealth (funding dictators through the world bank) or by military force and then you wanna preach about terror?

The people acting on behalf of these agencies are the  terrorists and the USA's policy of world robbery, invasion and funding dictators is creating more terrorists than ever.  The acts perpetrated are both terror and terrorist creators and then they make laws to use against your civilians in that name.  :shrug:  DIVIDE AND CONQUER.  HISTORY REPEATS. 

As soon as you finally realise whats going on and  pull your guns out on your government by then - YOU will be the terrorist.


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    #14434225 - 05/11/11 10:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

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Have you ever been to the US?




I don't need to be there.  I'm in the UK - I have exactly the same shit here.  Its been happening for centuries - just study history.  Its called finance, war and propaganda control.  Don't you guys have history lessons in the USA?


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See the biggest difference between the US and everywhere else is that our forefathers had already dealt with all of that European bullshit




LOL really?  Who gets the dividends from your federal reserve bank?  :lol:


I can't be fucked to educate you - do it yourself - you sound like you never read a history book in your life.




I don't need educated by you.  You act like the voters in this country have so much control over what happens.

I didn't vote for the Federal Reserve :rolleyes: 

The US and the UK are the same???? Really???  I seem to remember I was taught in history that we sent your centuries old empire packing, mostly because of your king and his central bank.  Same situation we have now, FOREIGN owned bank stealing all the wealth of this country, whilst the politicians and their wall street buddies ship all our jobs overseas.

Funny, we have 50 states.  Many of them dwarf the size of the island you live on.  When shit hits the fan you're gonna be in a MUCH shitty situation than we are.  Get a clue.  That very same patriotism, or ego as you call it, exists in the military.  It's easier to kill foreigners than it is your own countrymen.  Do I agree with a large part of our military blunders, no.  But I also don't have much control over that.  All I can do is take care of me and my own. 

America is at a crossroads, and now in history things are happening so fast, information travels instantly across the globe, but here at home there is a feeling in the air.  People are tired of being used, and it wont last forever.  If anyone tries to take what we have left, I fear for them. 

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    #14434234 - 05/11/11 10:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I didn't vote for the Federal Reserve :rolleyes: 





Did I say you did?

Clearly you do need to be educated because you don't even know where your own currency comes from or goes.


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    #14434257 - 05/11/11 10:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
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I didn't vote for the Federal Reserve :rolleyes: 





Did I say you did?

Clearly you do need to be educated because you don't even know where your own currency comes from or goes.





Let's see....

Federal Reserve sneaks in on a vote during holiday break.  1913

Federal Reserve creates money from nothing.  Loans it to our government at interest so that the debt can never be repaid.  Needs an ever eager pool of borrowers to continue the scam.  Controls the money supply and thus controls interests rates and inflation.  Uses "fractional reserve banking" to inflate the fake money supply and screw borrowers, ect...

Let's see, ummmmmmmm.  Did I miss anything? 

I know a great deal about the fed.  Once again, leave you assumptions at home.


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    #14434264 - 05/11/11 10:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

reality has no place here buddy. sad but true.


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    #14434314 - 05/11/11 10:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't have an arguement.  I'm telling you to look at historical fact and compare it with today -





which historical fact, the ne where a bunch of armed civilians calling
them the militia kicked the ass of one of the most powerful armies in the
world in what we colonials like to call the american revolution

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you're in favor of giving over the world to terrorists




You buy into that shit they fed you about terror?




remember, it's generalizations we were talking about

how about you explain how this war on terror doesnt involve any terrorists


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The USA is invading countries and taking their resources by stealth




bullshit... how much of afghanistan's oil are we importing? how much of
the oil are we taking from iraq? please, answer a question for once
instead of just spewing all this nonsense about what you believe we're
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    #14434320 - 05/11/11 10:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.






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    #14434341 - 05/11/11 10:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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bullshit... how much of afghanistan's oil are we importing?




No idea - I never said you were.

What I said is right there ^ I can sit here and list every act of USA terror and invasion on the world etc but I can't be bothered since you choose to ignore the point in everything I say.

Even the fact that you regurgitate some mainstream terror propaganda doesn't bother me. 





What really bothers me is that you believe propaganda over historical fact and analysis of your countries actions on the world.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: nice1]
    #14434372 - 05/11/11 11:05 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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bullshit... how much of afghanistan's oil are we importing?




No idea - I never said you were.





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The USA is invading countries and taking their resources by stealth




you sure? if it's not oil then it must be their gold, diamonds and loads
of other shit... afghanistan is just one of the wealthiest countries,
loads of mineral deposits to exploit for the good ol' US of Corporate A


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What I said is right there ^ I can sit here and list every act of USA terror and invasion on the world etc but I can't be bothered since you choose to ignore the point in everything I say.




in the conspiracy forum and here you can simply never be bothered, you can
spew mindless drivel about us invading for the resources yet you cant even
back up that single claim... I know you cant, I dare you

what are we getting from afghanistan?


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14434445 - 05/11/11 11:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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what are we getting from afghanistan?





street cred.
:lol:

also...
http://trade.gov/afghanistan/

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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: blewmeanie]
    #14434770 - 05/11/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I dont believe newly manufactured antique carpets qualify as a natural resource


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    #14434786 - 05/11/11 12:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

And I don't believe you really think carpet is the only thing being "traded".


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    #14434800 - 05/11/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Think of how many carpets this pipeline could carry. :lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Afghanistan_Pipeline


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    #14434874 - 05/11/11 01:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

RON PAUL 2012 WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: blewmeanie]
    #14435081 - 05/11/11 02:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Think of how many carpets this pipeline could carry. :lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Afghanistan_Pipeline





right... the one that was signed with the taliban in 1998 that doesnt pipe
oil to the US from afghanistan, the one that just runs through afghanistan
and they collect billions each year for hosting it while none of the
resources from afghanistan are going into it

yeah... must be the reason we went to war

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And I don't believe you really think carpet is the only thing being "traded".





no, they'll be getting pepsi in exchange


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Think of how many carpets this pipeline could carry. :lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Afghanistan_Pipeline





right... the one that was signed with the taliban in 1998 that doesnt pipe
oil to the US from afghanistan, the one that just runs through afghanistan
and they collect billions each year for hosting it while none of the
resources from afghanistan are going into it

yeah... must be the reason we went to war





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    #14435217 - 05/11/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/intlrel/hfa48119.000/hfa48119_0.HTM

I know it's kind of a long read, but it really is worth it. At risk of taking it out of context, I might go through and pull out a few pertinent quotes later if I have a chance. Since most people don't care enough to make it past two or three sentences.

And for the record, I think going into Afghanistan was the right thing to do, and I believe long term analysis will bear that out.


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    #14435279 - 05/11/11 02:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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source what?



a source for you claim maybe?





you mean like the source I quoted that blewmeanie posted?


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    #14435281 - 05/11/11 02:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Your reasoning for calling him a "charlatan" basically consists of, "He wants to legalize drugs, and he's ugly".


:curbyourenthusiasm:




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source what?



a source for you claim maybe?





you mean like the source I quoted that blewmeanie posted?






So you had someone else source it? :nonono:






Jus playin negrodamus.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14435426 - 05/11/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

For real man, read this. It's like 40 or 50 pages, but it's completely worth it. Your entire perspective and understanding of what's going on in the region will change.

If nothing else, just search for the word Afghanistan and read everything around it.


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    #14435465 - 05/11/11 03:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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source what?



a source for you claim maybe?





you mean like the source I quoted that blewmeanie posted?






So you had someone else source it? :nonono:






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    #14435477 - 05/11/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

As long as the topic of Charlatans keeps popping up, I'll have to say that the charade that Obama has pulled off over the last 3 years has to be the classic jive confidence game.....  speaking of charlatans! 

Obama is King Charlatan....  and if Ron Paul ever gets in an open debate with him, Obama is going to be exposed.  Big time.


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    #14435490 - 05/11/11 03:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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if Ron Paul ever gets in an open debate with him, Obama is going to be exposed. 






RP: Mr President, the american people would like to know why you hate america so much

BO: um, uh... well, ah, um... DEATH TO THE INFIDEL!


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    #14435521 - 05/11/11 03:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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He's a charlatan because, by your standards, he has no chance?



:lol:

If Ron paul is a charlatan what does that make the other politicians...

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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: TeamAmerica]
    #14435564 - 05/11/11 04:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm just skeptical is all. I'm perfectly prepared to be wrong about Ron Paul and in fact I would love to be. But from where I'm looking he honestly appears to be tapping into national outrage, with no intent to follow through, in order to reinforce his incumbency in the position he's held for over a decade. He gains name recognition by running for presidency on controversial platforms, name recognition which guarantees his reelection into the House next time he runs.

Again: I would like to be wrong, but I also see an ulterior motive in his rabble-rousing populism, and so I am hesitant to throw my support behind him.

It's not like it would matter anyway, I'm a registered Democrat. Save your hostility for someone whose opinion on this subject matters. There's no need to make things so personal all the time. It doesn't sound real smart.


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He's a charlatan because, by your standards, he has no chance?



:lol:

If Ron paul is a charlatan what does that make the other politicians...

Tchan has always been real smart...




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    #14438506 - 05/12/11 03:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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bullshit... how much of afghanistan's oil are we importing?




No idea - I never said you were.









I never made any claims about afghanistan.  You just ignore my points so you can justify your POV of supporting torture.


I can backup everything I said, everyone knows its true so I don't even need to sit here and list every act of USA terrorism, invasion or every country the world bank has loaned massive debt to corrupt leaders and coverted resources from  BUT WHATS THE POINT?  I'm not gonna sit here and bother to list it to someone who isn't listening.  :sherlock:


You wanna believe propaganda so you can justify your national pride and disgusting acts of murder, torture and theft.  Good for you, top man.  I'd really like to have you as my friend.
   



I'm a citizen of Earth and I do not condone those horrendous acts from any nation.  UK included.


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    #14438529 - 05/12/11 03:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm just skeptical is all. I'm perfectly prepared to be wrong about Ron Paul and in fact I would love to be. But from where I'm looking he honestly appears to be tapping into national outrage, with no intent to follow through, in order to reinforce his incumbency in the position he's held for over a decade. He gains name recognition by running for presidency on controversial platforms, name recognition which guarantees his reelection into the House next time he runs.

Again: I would like to be wrong, but I also see an ulterior motive in his rabble-rousing populism, and so I am hesitant to throw my support behind him.

It's not like it would matter anyway, I'm a registered Democrat. Save your hostility for someone whose opinion on this subject matters. There's no need to make things so personal all the time. It doesn't sound real smart.




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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14438588 - 05/12/11 03:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)



Hes just like Pris - a joker!


So Pris, at what point in your life did you decide to support Nazi ideologies such as believing in war propaganda, global invasion and torture camps ?

How did a forum on mind expanding psychadelic mushrooms get such a model moderator?  :grin:



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    #14438614 - 05/12/11 04:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Everybody here is just aping his rhetoric and refusing to even acknowledge, much less respond to, my actual stated concerns.  :electrickoolaid:


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Since your have no choice theres not much to be concerned about.



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    #14438793 - 05/12/11 06:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Everybody here is just aping his rhetoric and refusing to even acknowledge, much less respond to, my actual stated concerns.  :electrickoolaid:





Maybe it is more like, we gotta try something else than what we've tried before, because the fools we have been electing for president, and for the most part congress, they ain't fuckin' makin' it baby. 

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bullshit... how much of afghanistan's oil are we importing?




No idea - I never said you were.









I never made any claims about afghanistan.  You just ignore my points so you can justify your POV of supporting torture.




so what countries are we invading to steal the resources from, did we invade canada... ireland... zimbabwe? to my knowledge we've invaded Iraq, Afghanistan and now allegedly, Libya... of course that's the US looking out for english and french oil since the US doesnt import libyan oil, and the US only imports 4% of Iraqi oil, less than we have in more than 4 decades... so please, just answer a question instead of continuing to make your false claims


what country have we invaded for their natural resources...

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The USA is invading countries and taking their resources by stealth


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I can backup everything I said




then please do it because as of yet you've not shown you even have a clue
what's going on, just rmbled off a bunch of conspiratorial garbage, made
false unprovable claims and said that you could do it a half dozen times,
so here I am, calling you on it... prove it

what country has the US invaded for their natural resources...


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