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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14428498 - 05/10/11 06:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The reason he won't get elected is because the Family Values Right is going to attack him mercilessly over his drug policies.  He is highly electable--but he won't be allowed into the inner circle because it isn't 'his turn'.  Instead, the republicans will elect some bonehead like McCain, or a 'Family Values' guy who will drive away the left moderates and centrists and the independents. 

But to say the Repubs don't get anything done...how is The Community Organizer doin' for you? 

Point is, if you want a nanny-state globalist running the show, and business as usual, vote for the Establishment Dem or Republican.

Obama is just Bush on Steroids--they are both low-life, weasel nanny-state, bank-lovin', corporate owned puppets with globalist intentions. 

If Obama was any different, we wouldn't be in Libya right now, and 'considering action' against Syria.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14428507 - 05/10/11 06:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Of course he can't change anything.  It 1 man VS a a shadow government that utilises financial corruption and military might to retain power and control by deception and force.

If you actually had a democracy then maybe he would stand a chance but you have the same shit we have - a  charade.  Our politicians are ruled by the oligarchy who hand in hand control finance and the military.

Politics is underneath military and money in terms of actual power to alter the system.

TBH its amusing that anyone bothers to discuss or vote on the puppet show at all. 


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: starfire_xes]
    #14428547 - 05/10/11 07:03 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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If Obama was any different, we wouldn't be in Libya right now, and 'considering action' against Syria.






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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: nice1] * 2
    #14428556 - 05/10/11 07:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Of course he can't change anything.  It 1 man VS a a shadow government that utilises financial corruption and military might to retain power and control by deception and force.

If you actually had a democracy then maybe he would stand a chance but you have the same shit we have - a  charade. 





no, we actually have choices, unlike the commonwealth nations where it doesnt
matter wht the people want, we can make a difference in our nation either by
vote or by revolt... you guys can do neither since you have no guns


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14428573 - 05/10/11 07:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14428608 - 05/10/11 07:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Its too late for that because the USA government was hijacked by corporations a very long time ago...

Your guns won't help - they already have that figured out...

if you revolt with weapons - you'll have martial law and a complete totalitarian security state in 2 seconds flat - its already been built around you and you stood by and let it happen.  Your in the exact same position as us in the UK.



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we can make a difference in our nation either by
vote or by revolt... you guys can do neither since you have no guns






We have guns as well BTW - no law has ever stopped the illegal gun trade.

Yeah you can make a difference - you can go out and get shot by some foreigner working for your army or get on the train to the FEMA "safety center" :smirk:

great choices :thumbup:


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Rebirtha]
    #14428625 - 05/10/11 07:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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CNN Poll: Ron Paul Stands Best Chance Against Obama





That was my feeling, because he is the only one who can suck away centrist democrats and socially liberal independents. 

A 'Family Values' guy from the Republicans == Obama Wins.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: nice1]
    #14428657 - 05/10/11 07:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Its too late for that because the USA government was hijacked by corporations a very long time ago...

Your guns won't help - they already have that figured out...




lol... the military is comprised of citizens, most are conservatives, and
your claim of the US being taken over by corporations, shadow governments
and all that crap, ludicrous


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if you revolt with weapons - you'll have martial law and a complete totalitarian security state in 2 seconds flat - its already been built around you and you stood by and let it happen.  Your in the exact same position as us in the UK.




the military is comprised of citizens, most are conservatives, even within
our military there's a large and growing group of people more than willing
to 'defect' as opposed to following the order to institute martial law or
violate Posse Comitatus. The politicians cant fly the planes, operate the
tanks and half wouldnt even know what to do with a rifle, in fact the only
thing Obama shoots is hoops



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We have guns as well BTW - no law has ever stopped the illegal gun trade.

Yeah you can make a difference - you can go out and get shot by some foreigner working for your army :smirk:  great choices :thumbup:




why yes, 16 illegal guns against a loyalist police/military, you're on an
island, it wouldnt take anything to shut down all traffic into and out of
great britain, the Us has an extremly porous border as is evidenced by the
30 million illegal immigrants, the illegal weapons and drugs smuggled in
and weapons being smuggled out, you cant lock down america, we'll just use
the mexican drug tunnels and the unmapped logging roads to canada

wouldnt it be the UN we'd have to worry the most about? but wait, isnt the
US more than 50% of the troops serving with the UN/NATO... well I guess
that puts a damper on any UN action since we fucking own them




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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14428689 - 05/10/11 07:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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your claim of the US being taken over by corporations, shadow governments







Its not my claim.  Its fact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman_Sachs#Personnel_.27revolving-door.27_with_U.S._government

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group

We exist in a hierarchy - the military and finance guys are the oligarchy.  These guys are international they control world affairs.  You think they have supporting your interests as a US citizen?  You must of never heard of divide and conquer or megalomania.  They are supporting their own interests Pris - namely to maintain their power.  Its nice to have you ass wiped for you.


Your military has recruits from all over the world - they give them US citizen ship when they sign up.  Doesn't matter anyway - if martial law is declared then soldiers are gonna do exactly what soldiers do - what they are told to do.  Thats what the army cult does - it reprograms people into believing in a war cult - they are trained to follow orders.

I'm not as sure as you that they will turn on their superiors if the public attempted to revolt.  It would be easy to use the media to convince the majority of people and the army the revolters are extremists or terrorists.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: nice1]
    #14429007 - 05/10/11 09:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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your claim of the US being taken over by corporations, shadow governments







Its not my claim.  Its fact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman_Sachs#Personnel_.27revolving-door.27_with_U.S._government




just because obama has broken over 9000 promises doesnt mean the
government is owned by corporations, you should really learn to tell
the difference... it's crucial. this is obama's method of repaying his
election debts

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group






lol... conspiracy drivel, buildaburger franchises will soon be everywhere


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They are supporting their own interests Pris - namely to maintain their power.




who out there is actually acting in some selfless manner... name one 



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Your military has recruits from all over the world - they give them US citizen ship when they sign up.  Doesn't matter anyway - if martial law is declared then soldiers are gonna do exactly what soldiers do - what they are told to do.  Thats what the army cult does - it reprograms people into believing in a war cult - they are trained to follow orders.




Can the Army help me obtain U.S. citizenship?
No. The U.S. military cannot assist foreign nationals in obtaining admittance into the United States. (it does look better on the citizenship application)

Regulations prohibit the forwarding of recruiting information through international mail, even to U.S. citizens living in foreign countries.

foreign nationals cant serve in any field that handles classified or
secret information, they cannot serve as officers and out of the 2 million
active duty personnel, about 30,000 are foreign nationals, just how well
will 30,000 stand against 300 million armed civilians, more than 20
million of those former military themselves



now, what do we know about the army, general knowledge at least


I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.


Uniform Code of Military Justice Article 92

“Any person subject to this chapter who—

      (1) violates or fails to obey any lawful general order or regulation;

      (2) having knowledge of any other lawful order issued by a member of the armed forces, which it is his duty to obey, fails to obey the order; or

      (3) is derelict in the performance of his duties; shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”




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I'm not as sure as you that they will turn on their superiors if the public attempted to revolt.  It would be easy to use the media to convince the majority of people and the army the revolters are extremists or terrorists.




yeah... it would be so easy except most would be our neighbors since 90%
of this population is armed and a growing majority including the military
is growing dissatisfied with how the politicians are running shit into the
ground by trying to repay all those favors


people grossly distort what they dont know about...


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14429041 - 05/10/11 09:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Your so blinded by your national pride and ego (desire to control) that you can't even accept the reality and facts I presented you with yet you provide no counter.

Your flat out in denial about the existance of Builderberg and the obvious truth that financiers and military top men are above politicians in the real world hierarchy.

If you can't even figure out whos in control then good luck getting power back with your guns :rotfl:


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: nice1]
    #14429083 - 05/10/11 10:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not one to get the Hot, Hard Cock over conspiracy theories, but there is something to be said about the influence the Banking Industry, and in particular Goldman Sachs, has over our government.  Considering the current and past administrations have been riddled with Goldman Sachs Shills, it makes one wonder.  Let's take the FED and their policies.  Who do they benefit?  BANKS.  Period. 

But rather than say, this is a conspiracy, I say, it is just that politicians like to dip their beaks deeply into the money provided by banks so they can get re-elected.  It is Business As Usual Politics with the likes of Obama and Bush whoring themselves out to the highest bidder. 

As far as the US military, "...(1) violates or fails to obey any lawful general order or regulation"  The Keyword here is LAWFUL.  I don't think a lot of the military would stand by and let a bunch of globalist assholes take control of the country, orders be damned.  Because orders to assist them would be UNLAWFUL orders.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: nice1]
    #14429090 - 05/10/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Your so blinded by your national pride and ego (desire to control) that you can't even accept the reality and facts I presented you with yet you provide no counter.




what facts, a few conspiracy ideas?

I dont display national pride but I'm well aware of whom I served with and who my neighbors are

please, provide me the fact, link me to where foreign nationals are
granted citizenship just for enlisting in the US military

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Your flat out in denial about the existance of Builderberg and the obvious truth that financiers and military top men are above politicians in the real world hierarchy.





who made the denial? I dont deny they exist but like skull & bones I
suspect the big brother is watching side of you believes there's something
far more nefarious than really is present


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: blewmeanie]
    #14429110 - 05/10/11 10:09 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The fuck?  Why do you think he doesn't mean what he says?  His voting record is extremely consistent with everything he has ever claimed.



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Ron Paul doesn't have a chance because he speaks truth in an environment that is anti-truth and pro-bullshit. A fairly predictable scenario.



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so wait... you support his positions but wont vote for him because you feel
he wouldnt get elected or even get the nomination or even win the primaries

have you ever heard the term 'wasted vote', it's where you vote for someone
because you think they have a shot at winning instead of voting for the one
who's ideals are similar to your own... why not just go vote at the horse
track, there's a chance you could win $100



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Your reasoning for calling him a "charlatan" basically consists of, "He wants to legalize drugs, and he's ugly".


:curbyourenthusiasm:




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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14433692 - 05/11/11 07:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/us/15immig.html


My point is not to attack you anyway - its just that your idea that UK USA are in different boats is IMO wrong. 

Both countries are existing under the same system and methods of rule (financial and military then propaganda and politics) - probably by the same international oligarchy who have been shown to be meeting - in secret - the bilderberg group. 

UK and USA are partners in crime.  Both our medias fed us shit about WMDs to get us into war - there were no WMDs.  Same propaganda shit thats been happening forever.  World war 1 and 2 - exactly the same.  History is on repeat and its exactly the same today.  People today are just as ignorant as the people back in world war 1 - they WANT to believe the propaganda - its designed to hit on raw emotions - it utilises the same forms of mind control known and employed by all forms of media.

Divide and conquer.  Business as usual for the ruling elite.    The only reason they are pushing the totalitarianism so much now is because of the internet and explosion of free alternative news sources taking away a % of their propaganda control.  If the people start to not accept what they are told then they have to up the security / control by force.

The other thing they do is create a stigma...  "conspiracy theory".  They actual made it seem fringe to believe that business men formulate business plans  :crazy2:  Another raw mind control - because everyone desires to fit in, so you just stigma the conspiracy concept.  Gotta give em credit though, they are hanging on to their power by any means nessacery - its just sad that the masses are so brainwashed they can't even see the same tricks that have been blatently used to control masses of people for centuries.  Then we wonder why they are at the top of the hierarchy acting elitist :grin:

Its like the ultimate :facepalm: for humanity.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: nice1]
    #14433792 - 05/11/11 08:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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nice1 said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/us/15immig.html


My point is not to attack you anyway - its just that your idea that UK USA are in different boats is IMO wrong. 


UK and USA are partners in crime.  Both our medias fed us shit about WMDs to get us into war - there were no WMDs.




even the revered wikileaks posted about WMDs being found, they've been
finding small caches for several years, no they were not nukes which is
the first thing that seems to run through people's mind but they were
still WMDs, capable of killing tens of thousands at a time


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The other thing they do is create a stigma...  "conspiracy theory". 




no, the conspiracy theorists have done that with so many unfounded
speculations, claims of great harm from harmless substances, I remember
when DHMO was brought into the limelight, there was serious panic amongst
most conspiracy theorists because it was "just so vile that the government
would do something like that" only later to find out that it's only water


it's no different than chem trails, earthquake machines, ray guns from
space, nukes under the world trade center, reptilians, haarp or any of the
hundred of other ridiculous, unbacked claims... please tell us, how evil
the bilderbergs are, tell us of the trilateral commission and what of all
those demonic rituals by the power elite at bohemian grove and all with no
proof, it seems to foster well in jealousy and gullibility, those that
have must be evil because they have, they must be up to no good because
they have, no one should be entitled to that much money because they'll
just use it to enslave us all


you know wikileaks publishe the minutes from several years of the
bilderberg meetings... did you bother reading them?


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: nice1]
    #14433812 - 05/11/11 08:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Your so blinded by your national pride and ego (desire to control) that you can't even accept the reality and facts I presented you with yet you provide no counter.

Your flat out in denial about the existance of Builderberg and the obvious truth that financiers and military top men are above politicians in the real world hierarchy.

If you can't even figure out whos in control then good luck getting power back with your guns :rotfl:




Have you ever been to the US?

And please, explain to me how when the shit hits the fan and our military (made up of people just like me) turns the guns on the politicians, bankers, corporate whores and cronies; just what is our shadow government going to do to stop us. 

See the biggest difference between the US and everywhere else is that our forefathers had already dealt with all of that European bullshit and that's why they set things up the way they did, because they know that governments inherently get corrupted.

The reason I ask if you've ever been here is because YOU believe that same shit from the TV that you are mocking us for believing.  You believe that we Americans don't see what's happening, and if you believe that then I got some guns I'd like to sell you. 

Do you really think that the TV is gonna start saying things like:

"Word on American streets is that EVERY_FUCKING_ONE is pissed"

Because I can tell you that wherever I go, most everyone sees what's happening.

Builderberg group can :eatadick: when they give the order for US troops to start killing US citizens, they may be surprised who actually ends up full of bullets.

P.S.  Sounds like you've accepted the fate you see for us, what are YOU gonna do about it?  Peaceful protest :rolleyes:


Sorry for the rant, but what people fucking assume about things kills me.  I know the Builderberg group is planning shitty things for everyone, but that doesn't mean we are defeated already.  There sure are a lot more of us than them.  Has no one studied history, tyrannical governments always fall...always.


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Re: ron paul is a charlatan [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14433840 - 05/11/11 08:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

He needs our support, and you won't give it to him?


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    #14433849 - 05/11/11 08:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

as for your news link... these foreign nationals already on the road to
citizenship, in the US for 2 years as legal residents will serve 4 years
active duty leaving a year of time before they become citizens... lol...
takes about 7 years for someone to gain citizenship without the military,
as I stated, it just looks better in the application


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    #14433856 - 05/11/11 08:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Funny thing is that people are so sick of the lies of both parties that someone like Ron Paul who speaks the truth best he can and who has wild (to the mainstream, whatever that is) ideals starts to look like a better alternative to the last 6 fucking idiots that have sat in DC.

I will vote for Ron Paul if I can, last time he wasn't on the ballot in the primaries in Ohio.  I voted Nader last general election, I'll be damned if I vote for someone I don't fucking believe in or agree with.  The biggest problem isn't Ron Paul, it's all these people repeating the "he's unelectable" bullshit so much that it's becoming a slogan for his opposition.

He's very electable if the people choose the candidates.


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