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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: ZenXi6]
#14432514 - 05/10/11 10:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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No, it might not "rip", but it is a sensitive area for some men who are prone to very small tears (like cuts). I know that from seeing them on my guy sometimes. Not many guys are that sensitive though so it's not a universal thing. Might also happen more as you age.
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: wow]
#14432519 - 05/10/11 10:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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IN FACT!! if i make a poll i would bet that 100% of circumcised guys would be proud of being circumcised! and 100% of uncircumcised men would say the same!! so what gives?
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: wow]
#14432558 - 05/10/11 11:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's not wrong to be against one way or the other dude.
Again, you have ignored (for the third time) my poignant point, and made bnad arguments like "Ask any circumcised guy, they'll tell you they love it!"
Well, not being in a room where talking about penises is appropriate right now, I did a quick web scour.
So, after a very quick search, I found various websites on FORESKIN RESTORATION (and why, THE FUCK, I ask you, would people restore something if they're so goddamn happy, as you suggest, with the results?!)
Foreskin Restoration
Greg Beirise of Chicago has never quite forgiven doctors for circumcising him 32 years ago, nor his parents for requesting the procedure.
"It always bothered me," said Beirise, a Web page developer. "I just wanted to be whole."
Beirise is one of what many estimate are several thousand men in the United States and other countries who are taking back what doctors cut away at their birth.
Brought together mainly over the Internet, these men - young, retired, straight, gay, blue collar and professional - say they are growing back their foreskin, transforming themselves from circumcised to near natural in a few years for better sex, general comfort and emotional healing.
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The American Academy of Pediatrics in 1999 reversed its support for routine infant circumcision, citing questionable benefits and medical and anecdotal evidence that circumcised men have less penile sensitivity.
It was a move welcomed by R. Wayne Griffiths of Concord, Calif. The construction engineer and his friend Tim Hammond put ads in local newspapers more than a decade ago inviting men to a support group for those hoping to restore their foreskins. The first meeting attracted 12 men, Griffiths said. And the response grew from there.
"We got 25 calls a week for the first few months," said Griffiths, a 67-year-old divorced father of five. Not bad for a subject most men were afraid to mention, he said.
Today, Griffiths says as many as 7,000 men of all descriptions have contacted him online or over the telephone about restoration. He now heads the National Organization for Restoring Men, or NORM, a group with chapters in 20 states and six countries.
Foreskin Restoration at Wikipedia
Business specialising in restoration
So... dude, your argument that tries to speak for everyone, with absolutely no statistics other than your own VERY subjective point of view, is null and void.
It may not be that different either way for those that have or haven't been TODAY, but to impose that on a child, when it should be up to THAT person, and not anyone else (UNLESS there is a health concern) is unfair, barbaric and demeaning on another's right to their own body.
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: wow]
#14432569 - 05/10/11 11:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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wow said: IN FACT!! if i make a poll i would bet that 100% of circumcised guys would be proud of being circumcised! and 100% of uncircumcised men would say the same!! so what gives?
As I have mentioned MULTIPLE times, that is NOT the argument, not the debate and we aren't talking about that.
We're talking about the right of someone to remove something from ANOTHER person based PURELY on ONE individual's aesthetics, and not letting another choose that.
How would you like it if I tattooed your freakin' forehead without your permission? OR any part of your body, for that matter?! That's a PERSONAL choice, even though it really doesn't change things one way or the other (if it's in a private spot).
The debate is about FREEDOM OVER ONE'S OWN BODY.
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: ZenXi6]
#14432664 - 05/10/11 11:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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ohhh man.. lol im sure that happens every day... id be highly willing to bet that thiers HELL OF ALOT MORE people getting circumcised as an adult than getting the process reversed come on now.. im circumcised and im proud to be so.. i would definitely NOT want to have a foreskin this i know!! you are uncircumcised and you are proud to be so and would never get circumcised!! this i know!! so... that being said it was pretty much like i was born this way.. i dont remember getting circumcised.. and my family is all this way so it might as well be genetic.. no harm done AT ALL!! i want my kids to be the same way.. and they will be! theres absolutely NOTHING wrong with that dude!!
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BUT, for future generations, why SHOULD we circumcise, considering the pros don't outweigh the cons (unless, on the odd ocassion, there is a medical necessity), and the process is therefore a subjective and superficial cosmetic operation?? Shouldn't it THEREFORE be up to the PERSON IN QUESTION?!
Seriously. This is the argument. Skip over it again, and you win IDIOT OF THE YEAR AWARD.
i will circumcise because its easier to keep clean and doesnt build up stuff inside the foreskin (i know its easy to clean but still), because jesus was circumcised, because it looks better, because im proud to be circumcised, because my family is circumcised, and because i know my kid will be happy to be circumcised just as i, and BECAUSE HES MY FUCKING KID!! and im circumcised and so are all my brothers and cousins! and we have joked and talked about it enough to know that we are ALL happier this way!! so.. yeh for you you can have your opinion and i guess i cant change that so maybe its not worth the arguement.. but if its only because it looks better thats enough reason seeing that it really doesnt make much of a difference in the first place.. you make it sound like we have our dicks chopped off when really its just a small little cosmetic change involving a inch or 2 of skin that the kid will never know he's missing! and when he finds out he'll be happy that its done!
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: wow]
#14432682 - 05/10/11 11:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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its not like a tattoo... its like it might as well be genetic.. my whole family is like this.. and I think it looks better mainly... the kid would know if he had a tattoo on his forehead.. he will never know its different being circumcised.. and once he finds out im 99.9% sure he'll be fine with it..
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: wow]
#14432696 - 05/10/11 11:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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And, if he's not?
BTW... Jesus was circumcised? lol... good, rational argument for anything there. God-botherer.
Your rationale seems to go something like this:
"If I give my son the chance, he might decide NOT to do it! So, we gotta get in before he can even TALK to protest, or accept it! That way, he'll have a penis just like mine".
Dude, why, I ask, is it so important to you to have your son's genitals the same way as yours? It's not like you're going to be using them the rest of your life, looking at them or doing ANYTHING with them... so why in the fuck is it your damn business????
People who think they have total ownership over their children, which therefore gives them the right to do whatever the fuck they want to them.. should probably re-think that position. Your child may have been created by you and your partner.. but no body owns anybody, and people have the right to make their own choices, especially in regards to their body.
So, why do you think it's ok to force this upon another person? What gives you the right? Children are NOT property.
Cultural reasoning is freakin' stupid man, but I can't really argue against it. I just think it's real fucking rude and abusive to impose shit on another's body for "cultural" reasons.... Why not just teach him that's the way people prefer it, and then offer him the choice when he has the ability to say YES or NO? What's wrong with that??? You're probably going to indoctrinate him anyway, but at least that way he'd have the ILLUSION of decision... sheesh.
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: wow]
#14432714 - 05/10/11 11:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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wow said: its not like a tattoo... its like it might as well be genetic.. my whole family is like this.. and I think it looks better mainly... the kid would know if he had a tattoo on his forehead.. he will never know its different being circumcised.. and once he finds out im 99.9% sure he'll be fine with it..
I'm going to tattoo my child's upper inner thigh.
It might as well be genetic, coz I'm gonna get one too, and I think it looks better. He'll never know it's different, coz he'll have always have had it. I'm 99.9% sure he'll be fine with it.
I might pierce his anus while I'm at it. Coz I was thinking of doing that too.
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: ZenXi6] 2
#14432754 - 05/10/11 11:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have been following this thread and reading every post, but I just decided to stop reading anything posted by wow in this thread.
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: CureCat]
#14432760 - 05/10/11 11:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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CureCat said: I have been following this thread and reading every post, but I just decided to stop reading anything posted by wow in this thread.
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: ZenXi6]
#14432794 - 05/10/11 11:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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the FACT of the matter is that the kids gonna be happy to be either way... just so happens he was born into a family that does prefer circumcision.. and thats the way he will be! and your kids will be just fine the other way around... id just rather have it done before he can feel it.. or even know it would hurt.. and id rather him like being circumcised than not.. and id hope that he would choose to do the same with his kids because he enjoys his being that way.. which im sure he will.. i NEVER thought id be argue with somebody about this lol.. to me i never really thought about the reasons really but consider it just something thats just gotta be done.. id never even tell him he was circumcised and id let him figure it out on his own.. and he wouldnt even know the difference until that day and he would surely be happy his parents decided for him looking at it.. i sure was.. the first time i saw a uncircumcised penis i remember thinking to myself how odd it looked to me.. the reason i wanted the poll is because your argument is that the kid could possibly regret the fact later on down the road and i want to prove to you this is NOT true! in fact i believe its more of a common issue the other way around! say i told my 6 year old son and he wanted to be circumcised but he decided not to in fear of the pain.. this would be a terrible thing! so why not just do it and let him figure it out on his own and he'll never even think about going back? he was "born that way" and it will be fine... no harm done.. and when he sees someone with foreskin he'll think "whats up with that?" and be happy.. and the kid with the foreskin can say he looks odd without it as well.. and at the same time neither one of them give a shit and both think thiers is better.. which is fine.. which is how and why theres a pattern or "culture" behind either way...
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: CureCat]
#14432815 - 05/11/11 12:05 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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CureCat said: I have been following this thread and reading every post, but I just decided to stop reading anything posted by wow in this thread.
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: wow]
#14432845 - 05/11/11 12:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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oh come on dude.. your gonna rate me because of my opinions?! thats so immature.. i was enjoying this argument too! i did nothing to you and never tried to insult you.. im not even gonna fire the rating gun back dude because its just a heated argument man.. and i could probably make you loose a whole shroom if i did.. id hope you would retract that... but anyways all im trying to say is its fine to be either way and its not wrong to circumcise your own baby for your own reasons whatever they are.. the jewish community does it for religious reasons.. if you dont like it then just dont do it but dont tell me my parents were harming me and jacking me up as an infant because its 100% totally not true!
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: wow]
#14432852 - 05/11/11 12:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't mean to offend, the whole ratings system is meant to give other Shroomerites an idea of opinion, I based mine on fair reasoning - I find your stance toward other's rights to their own bodies imperialistic and indoctrinating.
This is the sort of thought that needs to be stamped out of the human population. As I said, if it's a cultural concern of yours, teach your kid that way and they'll no doubt want to get it done. I still think that's indoctrination, but at least you'd give them (some) choice, or the illusion of choice.
By removing choice from another human being over what to do with their own body, in a (relatively) irreversible way, you are enforcing a value on to them, in this case - a superficial aesthetic value of beauty.
You haven't argued this point, you just keep saying, "He's my son, and I never knew about it, and I like it, so he'll like it!". That's not bloody good reasoning at all. You ignored any good debate in this, hence the rating.
I can revoke if it matters that much to you. I don't mind and I don't want to upset you over this. But it is meant for others.
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: ZenXi6]
#14432877 - 05/11/11 12:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i just dont dig a bad rating for arguing a point man.. rate as you choose but i find nothing wrong with people having thier opinions on things.. and yes i do mainly like the way that it looks and yes it is the main reason i choose to have my opinion.. and i do believe the look of it is the only real difference.. you cant tell me its like 100X better to have not been circumcised.. and i assure you its not mutilation and harmfull.. i guess the fact is that im "indoctrinating" him into this to some extent.. but so was i and im totally fine with it! which is the main point im trying to get across.. the point that its ok to agree to dissagree.. but to each his own.. theres no reason to be mad at me for circumcising my own children... and i believe my children will be fine with it just like i am...
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: wow]
#14432886 - 05/11/11 12:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Faaarrrkkk...
dude....
Like I said. SO MANY TIMES.
I don't give a shit if you're circumcised or not, there isn't a huge difference between the two.
I've been trying to debate the pros and cons of circumcising someone without their permission / before they have the ability to give permission. That is where the discussion lays.
You don't seem capable of separating these two things.
You may be totally fine with it, but you can't predict that someone else would be! Therefore, you should leave it up to them. I proved that there is at least ONE person out there in the whole world that was circumcised and didn't like it. Considering there is no objective reasoning to do it or not, that ONE PERSON should be reason enough to GIVE AN INDIVIDUAL THE CHOICE, rather than force a medical procedure on someone.
Don't PRESUME consent in someone. You may be horribly shocked one day when your son says "Daddy, why is my penis different to other boys?".
Perhaps trends will change and girls will think his penis is a freak-cock... you just don't know. So leave it up to him dude.
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: ZenXi6]
#14432913 - 05/11/11 12:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i agree to dissagree... plus understand i was raised in a totally different setting than you.. so its fine for you to think that and you will have no problems arguing that point all day long.. its a matter of opinion and such a small cosmetic difference that it will ultimately make no difference to him at all.. and i do firmly believe that my boys will have no problem with my decisions... if you were circumcised to begin with you might be able to understand.. but the truth is we are both different because of this reason and will obviously never agree... but the fact of the matter is im gonna do what i do... and so are you... everyones different.. i could care less if you tattoo your kids forehead when hes born.. im not gonna do it to my kid because I think its wrong...
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: wow]
#14432922 - 05/11/11 12:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i had fun arguing tho.. but i think ive said my stance too many times... its how i was raised and i surely was raised right! which doesnt mean you were raised wrong of course! cherry oh mate!
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: wow]
#14432945 - 05/11/11 12:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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This thread sucks. What a bunch of noise.
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: wow]
#14433062 - 05/11/11 01:34 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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LOL just post your dicks already 
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