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ZenXi6
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I_was_the_walrus said: This is where I disagree. Ive never met a circumcised man who cursed his parents for taking his foreskin.
I don't think people generally do complain - they're not really given the right or ability to, because people just presume it's normal. Hence why I think it should be a matter of choice for the individual, and not up to parents, unless there is medical concern. I'm not saying that people necessarily disagree or think it's a bad thing... I don't care either way to be honest.. circum or un. But, for that exact reason, I think it should be up to the individual to choose whether to have an unneccesary procedure on their genitalia!!
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I_was_the_walrus said: Maybe circumcision is less common in Australia?
Possibly, I've no idea on the statistics.
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hahaha bro your 40 year old friend is a pussy
don't take conversations about life seriously with a 40 year old that still has hangups about his dick
all the women ive slept with and none of them have had a problem and a fair share said they prefer a euro dick
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: Cherk] 1
#14431246 - 05/10/11 06:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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And no offense to you, but youre probably the last guy in the thread Im gonna learn anything from...
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lmao "euro dick" so i guess circumcised is a jew dick? american dick? western dick?
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: wow]
#14431401 - 05/10/11 07:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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My anthropology professor told us there is a tribe that has ritual circumcisions, and the purpose of it is to display the transition from boyhood into manhood and to create extremely strong ties between the tribe's male youth.
We need someone on the shroomery to take one for the team and get a circumcision. Let us know which one you liked better, you heroic motherfucker.
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: shimishimiman]
#14431480 - 05/10/11 07:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think Ive seen a documentary on that. They wait till the kids like 10 years old or something? Ouch.
Also....foreskins are sold to grow fibroblasts. Your snipped skin in helping the medical/cosmetic industry. Its a win/win
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From the fibroblasts new skin for burn victims can be grown, skin to cover diabetic ulcers, and controversially it is also used to make cosmetic creams and collagens. One foreskin can be used for decades to grow $100,000 worth of fibroblasts.
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: shimishimiman]
#14431481 - 05/10/11 07:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i hear they use lasers now!
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: wow]
#14431586 - 05/10/11 07:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lasers + My penis = Not fucking happening.
lol..
There are the odd occassion when circumcision go wrong... and the more i've learnt about it, the less I think it's a good idea at all...
(SCROLL DOWN for the Circumcision Revealed post)
And here's just one story... of circumcision gone wrong:
When my 3 yr. old ds was born, we had him circumcised. Come to find out from the pediatrician, they didn't remove enough foreskin, and so we have had to deal with it "adhering", and then needing to pull it back.
We went for his 3 yr. check up yesterday, and was told that it had stuck again. The doctor pulled the foreskin back, and ds cried. It is very red & irritated. He woke up in tears this morning telling us it hurt. He won't stay still for us to apply aquaphor. I called the dr. office to tell them this, and of course they want to see him, again.
Should I be done with this practice, get a 2nd opinion??? They told us we didn't need to have the procedure done again b/c it bothered us more than it will him. Are they right or wrong?
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: ZenXi6]
#14431652 - 05/10/11 08:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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gotta get a good doctor.. if your a new parent it would be wise to ask other parents about the quality of the work.. its really done with lasers now days tho.. and i doubt it would really be that bad..
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: wow]
#14431671 - 05/10/11 08:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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is it hard to use condoms?! id imagine they would slide around alot?
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: wow]
#14431674 - 05/10/11 08:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Condoms work just the same... just the same brother..
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: ZenXi6]
#14431772 - 05/10/11 08:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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ZenXi6 said:
(SCROLL DOWN for the Circumcision Revealed post)
You do know this was just a blog/rant posted by some religious dude, and contains almost nothing medically relevant.
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Pretty sure that dude is not religious at all.. considering he refers to Christians as Xtians.. a typical atheist move. And he makes valid points, particularly in this paragraph:
In rare cases, there may be beneficial effects to altering the prepuce. This depends on the condition and type of procedure, but it comes with drawbacks as well and can introduce a risk of sexual dysfunction and a lessening of satisfaction. There is a small army of adherents in the medical community that insist that it is a vital and wholly beneficial procedure and they will assert that is prevents numerous cancers and infections in the male. Many have seen it for what it is - an unnecessary and potentially harmful surgery left over from a more primitive society that today is being abused and often practiced for the wrong reasons. A heated debate has been ongoing on this matter but the American Academy of Pediatrics has concluded in recent times that there is no valid medical indication for this procedure.
The debate has been heated, and there have been various tos and fros, but overall, medical institutions are coming around and labelling it unneccessary and largely cosmetic, with few exceptions..
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: ZenXi6]
#14432061 - 05/10/11 09:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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some uncircumcised people get a ring like piece of skin which is too small for the head of the penis to fit through.. in these cases they get cracks and rips when they get erect.. in these individuals it is quite medically necessary.. once an individual is old enough to understand surgery and getting thier dick cut for cosmetic reasons or otherwise, they are most likely to opt out because of it being a painful procedure.. you say its wrong and should be left to the individual BUT im glad my parents chose to have it done at a time in which i dont even remember it happening.. and im glad i have it done because of my personal preference.. i would think that any circumcised guy would be happy they are.. and quite a few who arent probably wish they were.. anyways, it goes all the way back to the pyramids and is deeply ingrained in our culture really.. and they say that the foreskin actually holds vaginal fluid and circumcised men are less likely to contract a std because of this reason.. heres a great artical.. they even have a part about your side of the arguement.. not that it matters because your kids will obviously not be circumcised unless your lady chooses to and you decide to.. but mine will because thats the way my whole family is.. and thats the way i think we should be 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: wow]
#14432127 - 05/10/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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wow said: some uncircumcised people get a ring like piece of skin which is too small for the head of the penis to fit through.. in these cases they get cracks and rips when they get erect.. in these individuals it is quite medically necessary..[/url]
Bringing up exceptions does not usually make for a solid argument. Your reasoning here is exactly the same as when people argue "well occasionally the procedure is botched, and the person has to live with discomfort or disfigurement for the rest of their life, so it should not be done". Both are valid points, but you shouldn't base your argument around it.
Bottom line is that there are pros AND cons to circumcision. Period. That said, I think the decision should be left up to the individual. You don't know how much less or more painful the experience is for a newborn, so arguing that it is painful as an adult is pretty ridiculous... You are amputating a body part- of course it is going to hurt- at any age.
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: CureCat] 1
#14432163 - 05/10/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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didnt hurt me? im not arguing anything exept that if i have a kid its totally ok for me to have him circumcised.. its not brutality.. it wont hurt.. and it will look correct in my and many others opinion.. its the decision of the family.. purely.. it runs in my family and pretty much any circumcised man is proud of being circumcised and probably thinks its weird not to be.. i didnt even know what it was or that it had been done to me until i was at least 11-12 ish.. theres absolutely nothing wrong with doing it or not.. but im happy i am.. and there is some medical situations where it is the answer.. and yes.. trust me it would hurt alot more for an adult because they will have to live walk and function with a sore dick which i wouldnt think a baby would have to.. (i didnt feel it as far as im concerned) 
also read the wikipedia for some pros and cons
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: wow]
#14432169 - 05/10/11 09:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dude, your arguments are consistently terrible:
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wow said: some uncircumcised people get a ring like piece of skin which is too small for the head of the penis to fit through.. in these cases they get cracks and rips when they get erect.. in these individuals it is quite medically necessary.. once an individual is old enough to understand surgery and getting thier dick cut for cosmetic reasons or otherwise, they are most likely to opt out because of it being a painful procedure..
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ZenXi6 said: The debate has been heated, and there have been various tos and fros, but overall, medical institutions are coming around and labelling it unneccessary and largely cosmetic, with few exceptions..
Yep, as I've mentioned various times, there are a few cases where it is necessary. These cases are about as common as... say... getting your gall bladder removed. ie. NOT THAT COMMON.
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wow said: And im glad i have it done because of my personal preference.. i would think that any circumcised guy would be happy they are.. and quite a few who arent probably wish they were..
I would think your personal preference is probably effected by your current state. You can't really tell how you'd feel considering you aren't and have never been. The folk that aren't and wish they were, go and get it done. Don't make sweeping statements like that to presume correctness of your argument and position, and presume it is the more popular. You have no proof, and the onus of proof when making sweeping statements like that is on you.
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wow said: anyways, it goes all the way back to the pyramids and is deeply ingrained in our culture really..
What?? Dude... you skimmed over the Wikipedia article.. didn't you? Culture changes with times... Do we think that the barbaric practice of FEMALE Circumcision is ok "Coz it goes way back and is deeply ingrained in culture"? Nope.
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wow said: and they say that the foreskin actually holds vaginal fluid and circumcised men are less likely to contract a std because of this reason..
Again, not true dude.. as I said, for those who aren't retarded and now how to wash themselves, this is actually.. NOT A PROBLEM AT ALL. And the holding of vaginal fluids helps lubricate during sexual intercourse (ie. It's a good thing... derrrr)
Now, I'm not trying to say that thosew with a cirum or uncirum'd penis at the moment are any better or worse, because in the end, the differences are very small. THIS IS THE CORE OF MY ARGUMENT, SO PAY THE FUCK ATTENTION THIS TIME
BUT, for future generations, why SHOULD we circumcise, considering the pros don't outweigh the cons (unless, on the odd ocassion, there is a medical necessity), and the process is therefore a subjective and superficial cosmetic operation?? Shouldn't it THEREFORE be up to the PERSON IN QUESTION?!
Seriously. This is the argument. Skip over it again, and you win IDIOT OF THE YEAR AWARD.
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: ZenXi6]
#14432283 - 05/10/11 10:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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lol im definitely not the IDIOT OF THE YEAR lol! neither are my parents! i will have my kids circumcised purely for cultural and aesthetic reasons.. and im sure he will thank me! and there IS NOTHING WRONG WITH IT!! i almost want to tell my parents thank you! lol! if your argument is that it hurts the baby or that he doesnt know what hes missing.. i assure you it doesnt hurt the baby! and he probably wont even care what he's missing!! (i sure as fuck dont!) jesus and moses were both circumcised! it just looks better to me.. and its the way my whole family is... pretty much all the girls that I have been involved with sexually said they preferred it circumcised.. and youre right i dont know how sex would be with a foreskin covering the head of my penis... could be more sensitive idk.. but id trade it for what i got... and im happy im this way.. this is why id have it done to my children.. and why my parents had it done to me obviously! now... i guess keeping it real i can say yes i think its better to be circumcised obviously and i have my reasons! but im not gonna make fun or bag on the fact that someone else isn't! i really could care less about what other peoples dicks look like.. but ill make sure my sons are circumcised and im sure they will feel the same as me! which is good! and i have a beautiful penis!
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: ZenXi6]
#14432308 - 05/10/11 10:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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ZenXi6 said: Shouldn't it THEREFORE be up to the PERSON IN QUESTION?!
Seriously. This is the argument. Skip over it again, and you win IDIOT OF THE YEAR AWARD.
Ok, perhaps you don't understand this basic premis, but here it is for you, in a nice simple sentence:
BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER.
ie. Beauty is subjective, different to each individual. So, shouldn't an individual's own BODY'S aesthetics, be up to them to decide?
I don't even need to argue the harm-to-baby line... because you can't even rebut this argument.
In the end, it seems you're another imperialist without reason. Mark your son because "That's the way it's always been!".
Whatever man, there's no arguing with that logic, because it's illogical. Just know and remember that your imposing a (relatively) non-reversable unneccesary procedure on a non-consenting other.
At least if uncirumcised, someone can decide to get it done later in life. It's much harder to go the other way...
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Re: The ol foreskin debate, continued... [Re: ZenXi6]
#14432501 - 05/10/11 10:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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the point im trying to get across is that i enjoy my circumcised penis so much i want my son to enjoy his as well.. i understand you think im illogical but let me tell you.. i have absolutely NO REGRET for being circumcised... my penis is PLENTY sensitive... i dont build up "smegma" because theres no foreskin there.. in fact im SURE my kid would feel the same way.. try telling an uncircumcised adult to be circumcised and they will give you all kinds of reasons.. mainly because its involving modification of the genitals and they know it would hurt.. but the point is that a uncircumcised man would have never even started this thread in the first place saying that they are upset they were so.. or that its mutilation.. id like to go out on a limb here and say that i believe most people against it are uncircumcised.. and are from families that are uncircumcised.. i dont think youd ever hear a circumcised guy complain about being circumcised.. why make a ruckus?! you dont know what its like! but i can guarantee if you were born into a family who circumcised you when you were an infant you would not be unhappy! i have no doubt that id rather be this way especially in this day and age... and dont give me the "harm to baby" stuff trust me... my dick is very healthy and unharmed! if you prefer to be uncircumcised than dont circumcise your kids! but to all these people saying its harmfull or bad to circumcise your infant baby i say fuck off and tend your own.. (not you but there are some who try and actually protest but why?) because id rather have had it done than not and i would have been scared shitless to have it done when i could understand the fact and would have never wanted to in fear of pain... but being this way now is like i was pretty much born this way.. and i feel good about it and i like how it looks just as most circumcised guys do.. so quite honestly no.. i dont understand the harm to baby beauty of the beholder crap because the kids gonna think its fine either way obviously.. im not saying you are wrong for being uncircumcised.. but my parents never "HARMED" ME! just ask any circumcised guy.. IMO either way is fine.. but to be against one way or another is quite wrong!
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