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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: PoisonCrazy]
    #14435379 - 05/11/11 03:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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When I say out there, I mean things that exist independent of our perception of them.

What you say is true, we cannot get outside of our minds and touch objective reality, however if we make certain assumptions, such as that our logical faculties work and our minds are not designed to trick us, then we can certainly imagine perceptions which originate within us as apart from those which are merely the brain translating something in objective reality in to perceptions.

A simple way to think about it is two tape recorders. One records the sound it 'hears' in a room, and one produces random static. If someone hands us both and tells us they were recorded in the room, it is true that we have know way of KNOWING that one recorded the real sounds and one recorded static, but if we listen to them and one appears consistent with our normal hearing and the other consistent with random static, we can question whether the second really represents anything "out there."

And I think this is where we have trouble with psychedelics. If we are entering new realms of consciousness, new levels and contacting entities which are real, we have no good way of 'checking the tapes' because if it IS truly a reflection of something that objectively exists, then we expect it to be vastly different, it is a different level of consciousness after all!


None of this is trying to argue, just spinning out the ideas. I respect the points you make nunbuh_chrubble. :mushroom2:





I will continue to challenge the notion that anything CAN exist outside our perception of it. Those things which are not experienced by ANY perception can not be known to even exist.

And you make a good point about confirming through multiple viewpoints. I will definitely agree that we need to think about things in terms of CONSENSUAL reality (ie. consensus validates the reality of a phenomenon). And curiously enough this is where our boundaries of reality break down.

If you peak through a telescope and see a celestial body and then turn to me and ask me to look through the telescope using the same methods and procedures that you did, and my observations are in agreement with yours, then the conclusion is that the thing in fact exists and is "real". These coinciding observations don't tell us any more about the phenomenon like it's nature or character, but we CAN agree that SOMETHING exists.

If you smoke some DMT or eat psilocybin in silent darkness and meet entities, and then you ask me to repeat your procedures using the same chemicals and then I proceed to have similar, if not identical experiences... then what conclusions can we draw?

The phenomenon is obviously real. We've reached consensus that the contact experience is a REAL phenomena that is consistent and repeatable. We have the tools and the procedures to do it over and over and over again. That is indisputable.

What hasn't been investigated is what is the NATURE and CHARACTER of this phenomenon. Perhaps these chemicals just excite out neurons in just the right way to create the illusion of a "presence" which is "communicating" with us. That's a pretty reasonable hypothesis.

BUT, what about the content of these communications? How can different brains with different neural networks be stimulated chemically to create the same illusion of MEANINGFUL CONTENT? Do our brains have certain information literally hardwired into them? Or is there a neural structure who's job it is to differentiate meaning from non-meaning and is this structure simply being put into overdrive during the psychedelic contact experience?

What I'm saying is that the repeatable hallucination of a presence is pretty unremarkable given what we know about how the brain works. But the repeatable hallucination of the same CONTENT by different people in different cultures is pretty fucking remarkable and points towards territories of knowledge which have yet to be explored fully.


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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #14435562 - 05/11/11 04:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I have had innumerable entity encounters, first on mimosa/rue, then with mushrooms and other plant psychedelics, and later with smoked DMT. Most consistently these experiences have occurred with mushrooms.

For several years, I had a 'mushroom ally' that appeared every time I took the fungus. It usually had 'puzzles,' lessons, or information of some sort to impart.

It was very alien, very reminiscent of a 'grey.' It was also very insectile, and even plant/fungus like. It rarely moved in an animated way, just appeared in different folds of my psychedelic visuals.

It told me that it was the same being at the root of the mckennas' madness at la chorrera, and was also mentioned repeatedly in the bible. It showed me many, many interesting but questionable paths history has possibly taken.

Usually these stories were very mushroom centered, and I eventually knew them as 'mushroom myths.' Quite obviously, the stories of jesus and the twelve apostles as an ancient mushroom cult stems from one of these 'mushroom myths.'

The last time I saw this guy was when I combined mushrooms with morning glory seeds at a remote cabin by a lake. They were pouring out of the walls to show me samples of solanaceae plants and different foods that are considered powerful.

I saw human beings as fields of holy crops, waiting to be reaped by flying-saucer mushroom caps which formed the blades of cosmic scythes.

I don't necessarily think these entities are 'real,' in whatever sense of that word we might mean. I don't necessarily believe they are beings in an adjacent frequency of existence who possess some sort of technology that allows them to enter this frequency through properly tuned minds and psychedelic plants.

They definitely represent an archetypal, mythic form of consciousness that is often more adaptable to the psychedelic state than rational materialism - though use of both types of consciousness, and many more, is ideal.


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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #14435743 - 05/11/11 04:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I know of atleast one entity that has been encountered in both psychedelic journeys and dreams. His name is Don Juan. Some of u might have heared of him. Terrence Mckenna mentioned him in one of his talks or audio books.
I know of a bunch of lucid dreamers that have met Don Juan in their dreams and apperantly he can also be found with some psychedelics , probably mushrooms.
Don juan's own words say he was initially imagined up by Carlos Castaneda but he continues to exist in eternity where we can find him.


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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: infectedstyle]
    #14436324 - 05/11/11 06:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I feel like there is something often missing from conversations about "entities:"  Some people experience entities without any psychosis, near-death experience, or drugs. Healthy, rational, intelligent people.

Make any judgments about me that you might, I entered the world a very scientifically-minded/skeptical person. But after about 20 "paranormal" experiences it's hard to embrace cynicism.

I didn't even try any drugs until I was 40. (Grew up with hippie parents and was turned off by the lifestyle.) So far under the influence of psychedelics I haven't experienced any beings with the same clarity as withOUT psychedelics.

I think the vast majority of entities are fragments of our own consciousness. In the same way we can experience a disassociation from our own physical body, I think psychedelics facilitate a break from various elements of our own mind. And then the psychedelic makes a "person" or being out of those pieces.

But some entities simply cannot be explained away that way. I think maturity, integrity, and objectivity are important to developing the skills to tell the difference.

And as psychedelics show us: it is unclear how separate we all are, the physical and noncorporeal alike.


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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: noobieman]
    #14436380 - 05/11/11 06:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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But some entities simply cannot be explained away that way. I think maturity, integrity, and objectivity are important to developing the skills to tell the difference.

And as psychedelics show us: it is unclear how separate we all are, the physical and noncorporeal alike.




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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
    #14436542 - 05/11/11 07:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Every time I break through on DMT there is a guiding woman presence. I think it is just how my subconscious has decided to manifest itself, but it does give me the feeling that someone is watching over me. They don't call it an entheogen for nothing.


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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: DimensionWithin] * 1
    #14439395 - 05/12/11 10:05 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I've encountered entities on LSD. One time there were these cartoon like beings that were deconstructing my identity. They made bizarre sounds, like cartoon animal sounds. Another time I was visiting what looked like an amazonian tribe village and a god of these people was present too. But it refused to communicate with me because I didn't belong to the tribe.

Spirit wise I can say that on my last trip (very high dose) I felt like I was being gangraped by the cosmic LSD spirit. It felt like an external entity came inside me, raped my soul. It made me puke all over the place and threw me on the floor. It then killed me and I lost consciousness. Then I was reborn as some kind of alien syntactic structure. I was an entity with no identity.


I don't attribute any of these experiences to anything except for my funky mind though.


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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: azay]
    #14439631 - 05/12/11 11:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

chemically, the stimulation of the right frontal cortex on psychedelics causes the sense of an entity, often "felt" in a righthand direction.
a scientific mechanical explanation is just that, describing the mechanism. as for the significance of the feeling, the reality or unreality of an entity, science can explain nothing.
i've never experienced an entity on drugs. i have gotten the feeling of an intelligence brushing my mind maybe two times during sober waking periods. just a skin crawl, weird thoughts and hints and then evaporation.


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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: gabbaganchi]
    #14439921 - 05/12/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I always seem to come across entities in my salvia trips, usually some kind of cartoony entities having fun with me. The first time I really had a breakthrough on Sally my ceiling was lifted up and an angry looking guy was looking down at me, he had a silly looking face like he was some kind of circus attraction (it actually reminded me of pleasure island from  pinocchio). He/it never spoke but I could tell the he wanted money from me. Another time the wall behind me was opened like a mailbox and two cartoony aliens looked in like they were looking for something and the closed my wall back up. Pretty much every wall/ceiling of my room was penetrated by a Salvia entity at one time or another.


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Re: psychedelic entities [Re: Altered States]
    #18735584 - 08/21/13 02:44 AM (10 years, 5 months ago)

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i would like to hear from those that believe they have encountered entities or spirits whilst on a psychedelic journey . i know im not the only one who has experienced this kind of shit . i "felt" the prescence of a malevolent thing invade my trips for a time . even now when i trip i feel powerful , arrogant and proud ; but its not me . its the mushrooms power , arrogance and pride . i would like to hear some of your thoughts , beliefs regarding these types of things . thanks shroomerz .



Terence Mckenna's book True Hallucinations covers allot about it. Terence and Dennis experience such an event during there trip to La Chorrera, South America tripping on shrooms they find in a field outside the village. It's a must read if your interested in such experiences.




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