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OfflineDimi
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First Grow
    #14427344 - 05/09/11 10:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hello Everyone

This is my first grow, and I have some questions about it. First, here is what I did...

I went with a rye berry and spore syringe method.

The rye berries were soaked over night, and then boiled for 10 minutes. Next I pressure cooked them for 90 minutes, and then finally let them cool overnight and knocked them up with 2cc each.

They all colonized with no contamination issues.

I put each quart jar into it's own tray. I did this by breaking up the colonized rye and spreading it level in the trays. The trays are 1 quart each.

I took a tub and lined the bottom with 1 1/2 inches of Perlite that had been soaked well and then drained.

The trays were put into the tub that has the Perlite in it. I have a digital gauge inside reporting 99% humidity and 77 degrees F right now. I have given them a venting for 10 seconds twice a day, and have an LED flashlight inside that I turn on for a couple hours a day.

It has been a week and I have gotten this far in my journey, I don't see any pins, or signs of contamination either...

I do see new growth in some areas of each tray though.

Did I do something wrong, or is it going correctly?


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Re: First Grow [Re: Dimi]
    #14427381 - 05/09/11 10:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It sounds like you got confused between a shotgun fruiting chamber for cakes and spawning grain to bulk...

If you have spread out your grain in your FC without any coir/verm/hpoo/etc, you've got to get some food to your grains asap or get a casing layer (non-nutritious) on your grains asap.

As for your 10 seconds of FAE twice a day, you want definitely more than that unless you have a properly built SGFC or a dialed-in monotub, but it sounds like you have neither.

As for your lighting, you want a 12/12 cycle.

Pictures would help greatly.


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OfflineDimi
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Re: First Grow [Re: Primal Call]
    #14427408 - 05/09/11 10:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The grain was placed in small tray that holds a quart. The tray was placed on the perlite.

What did you mean by "get some food to your grains" and "get a casing layer"?

Here's a pic if it helps...


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Re: First Grow [Re: Dimi]
    #14427410 - 05/09/11 10:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for your help in advance! I'll switch the light to a timer ASAP.


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Re: First Grow [Re: Dimi]
    #14427438 - 05/09/11 10:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

yeah... that's what I thought you did.

You made perfect spawn by the looks of it. Some, myself when I was just starting included, can't even get that far, so good job there.

When you take the spawn out of your jars, you want to mix it into a substrate (aka food). You do, however, have the option of just casing the grain instead, but seeing as how you're new, this is probably not something you want to do because it takes adjusting pH or being sure you buy the right mix. Neither of which I can speak of with any confidence.

Here's some links to help. The first one is your best bet if you are in a hurry, which you are. If you get this prepared quickly enough, you may be able to save your spawn, but the longer you wait, the more likely it is the grain will contaminate.

Damion's bucket tek
Agar's pasteurization
Prof_P's perfect bulk sub
Facey's Shitty Sub Prep


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Re: First Grow [Re: Primal Call]
    #14427452 - 05/09/11 10:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

And here's some tub links... pick one, any one, and see how it works for you in your environment. None of them involve perlite, so you can get rid of that for this grow. Perlite is to be used if you go with the PF Tek of BRF/Verm cakes in a shotgun fruiting chamber (SGFC), which you do not have.

Ohmatic Mono
Doc_T's mini monotub
MorelMan's pyramid
M_H2004&DocT's we want to see your ...tubs

You jumped right in, and for that I applaud you, but you have some more reading to do for sure.


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Re: First Grow [Re: Primal Call]
    #14427460 - 05/09/11 10:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the compliment! :smile:

Well, I might not have many options here. You're telling me they don't have enough food. I was thinking they'd have enough being in the trays eating the rye berries from spawning them. Me = wrong apparently.

The only things I have around here are Brown Rice Flour and Rye Berries. Got Verm and Perlite too...Could I make a mix from any of these things?

Thanks for the links though. I read em, and I don't have the money to get any other ingredients! :frown:


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Re: First Grow [Re: Dimi]
    #14427479 - 05/09/11 11:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You could try lightly moistening the verm and layering that on top as a psuedo-casing layer. Otherwise, you don't have the proper goods for a bulk substrate.

Basically, cut out the rye berries and you could have done a perfect PF tek. Actually, you could have even done rye cakes...

pf tek 1
pf tek 2
pf tek 3

consider this round 1 of learning from your mistakes, get some more money, and start over after doing some more reading


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Re: First Grow [Re: Primal Call]
    #14427501 - 05/09/11 11:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'll try casing them. Thank you so much for your help.

I happen to have 12 (1/2 pint) jars of Brown Rice Flour and Verm that are colonized too, and ready to be put in a tub as well. PF-Tek style.

Any tips for those little jars?

EDIT: I watched those vids a bunch of times already. :smile:

Edited by Dimi (05/09/11 11:07 PM)

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Re: First Grow [Re: Dimi]
    #14427521 - 05/09/11 11:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

then a "bunch" didn't cut it, unless you have a different fruiting chamber for the cakes than the one pic'd above. You want a shotgun terrarium or SGFC. search for those.

otherwise, tips... be sure to dunk for 24 hours and roll in dry verm before you put your cakes in the FC. I'm pretty sure the videos give a perfect guide, but I never did cakes, so I'm not too familiar with them.

anyway... hope this all helped a little, and let us see any progress on your cased grains!

:peace:


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Re: First Grow [Re: Primal Call]
    #14427542 - 05/09/11 11:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So, you are saying I could have used this tub and perlite method for a PF-TEK setup?

Also, I have three more quart jars colonized and ready to go as well...I will case those and post some updates for those too.

Which leads me to a question. Is there a way to take a colonized rye berry jar to impregnate a BRF and Verm jar?

Thanks for not flaming me. I read a lot and watched a ton of vids, and I think I was overwhelmed with all the info. Thanks for helping, too!!!

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Re: First Grow [Re: Dimi]
    #14427580 - 05/09/11 11:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm saying you can still use it for a PF tek setup. You just have to build it appropriately. 1/4" holes on a 2" grid on all 6 sides with a 4-5" layer of well-drained perlite if my memory serves me well enough... but check the PF videos again on that one.

colonized rye to "impregnate" BRF/Verm is like swapping cotton candy for a bag of lik-a-stik. They are best used as dunked/rolled cakes or spawned to bulk (see links above).

Honestly, for your 3 qt jars, I say put them in the fridge once they are 100% done. Once you have some money, buy a 20-25qt tub with a clear lid, make it into the ohmatic monotub or morelmans pyramid and spawn to bulk. Horsepoo is free, verm is cheap (if you don't have enough already), coir is cheap, gypsum is cheap, and coffee grounds are free at any coffee shop if you just ask.

read up on pasteurizing or damions 50/50 tek and I (almost) promise you will be glad you did it instead of just casing the grains.

As far as not flaming, I'd be tempted except this site has some amazingly helpful people that imparted upon me much of the information I am now giving you. Consider it now your kharmic duty to do the same for future noobs who have yet to post such ridiculous shit as what you are posting now! :lol:

But seriously, there is much to learn for all of us. It is not surprising to be overwhelmed with the amount of information to sort through on these fantastic pages of joy.

:peace: :sunny: :plur:


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Re: First Grow [Re: Primal Call]
    #14427590 - 05/09/11 11:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you for all your help. I am a strong believer in Karma, and I will help the next person once I have the ability to!

"except this site has some amazingly helpful people" <-- your definately included in that group

I will post updates on progress.


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Re: First Grow [Re: Dimi]
    #14427600 - 05/09/11 11:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

why, thank you sir! or miss!

and on progress, please update! all too often do people post problems but no solutions... or questions, receive answers, then no results!

bastards! :shitstorm:

Also, I was re-reading... a potentially bad habit of mine seeing as how I have Kinesiology research to be doing, but anyway, your statement about the rye berries being sufficient food is not "wrong" per se, but it might be better to view the grain as an appetizer, the bulk substrate as the main course, and the dessert, my mycophilic friend, is yours to eat. :evil2:

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    #14428188 - 05/10/11 03:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Update [Re: t23]
    #14449768 - 05/14/11 06:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Cased the three containers with moist verm

Took one of the three quart jars and spawned it into 3 more quart jars, they're taking off nicely. Would have spawned it into 7 quart jars but ran out of rye lol :smile:

Getting the ingredients for a bulk job this next weekend hopefully

Turns out the other two quart jars are still not ripe yet

The twelve 1/2 pt jars of cakes still have 3 days until they get 'planted'

No contamination to speak of yet. Will post pics when there's progress to report

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Re: Update [Re: Dimi]
    #14461936 - 05/16/11 12:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)



This is 7 of the 1/2 pint jars. I put them in 4 inches of soaked and drained perlite.

Drilled holes every three inches above the perlite line.

On top is a 80mm case fan powered by large 6V battery.

The other 5 jars haven't found a good home yet, they're not done cooking.

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Update [Re: Dimi]
    #14481507 - 05/19/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I cased the three trays in verm like you said, and I've got pins popping up in every one. I even got a inch tall shroom sprouted. They're sparse at the moment, but since two of the containers are clear, I can see that more are on the way up. :smile:

Thanks for your help!

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Re: Update [Re: Dimi]
    #14481624 - 05/19/11 10:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The only tip you needed was put some holes in it.  Thats it.  The rest is great, do a bit more reading on spawning and casing.  Good work :smile:


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Re: Update [Re: Jayslay]
    #14481755 - 05/19/11 11:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm happy I got anything out of my first try :smile:

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