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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: imachavel]
    #14445511 - 05/13/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

All things considered, I'd love to be just over analyzing things here.

The is the issue(s):
-My power supply (one in that link) seems to have crapped out.
-So I'd like to initiate the process of building a new PC with a new PSU and case.  I'd also like to salvage my old motherboard, sata drives, fans, cd/dvd, graphics, etc.
-But I am confused about the power supply issue...

The main connector is a 24pin.  But there's another 4 pin that connects to the motherboard.  Here's a pic:



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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: frith]
    #14445537 - 05/13/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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If you ask me, you're having all this problem because you're starting a build from an HP.



i think its more of a problem that OP is just over-thinking things. :shrug:





perhaps so.

ORIGINAL POSTER: THINK ABOUT IT LIKE THIS



you have a 24 pin set of cables running out the back of your power supply, 20 of them lead straight to a connector on the motherboard right? the other 4 should lead out to your hard drive, and then possibly the cables double back out from your hard drive, to give you a set of connectors to connect to other things, cd drive etc.

at least this is how my computer looks yours might be a bit different. but what is for sure, is that you have 20 cables running from you power supply to your motherboard, and 4 running to your hard drive. correct? ok now from here, where are you getting stuck. how is the power supply hooked up? do you have it screwed in to your case correctly? it should be raised about a centimeter up from your motherboard screwed into your case, with the power adapter cable fitting into the back of it, fit nicely into the back of your pc correct?

the reason for this thing being raised a centimeter off the motherboard is the same reason your motherboard is raised a centimeter off your computer case, so it won't fry. metal on metal. now if you have gotten this far, please tell everyone the rest of what is troubling you. thanks.


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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: Society]
    #14445560 - 05/13/11 01:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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All things considered, I'd love to be just over analyzing things here.

The is the issue(s):
-My power supply (one in that link) seems to have crapped out.
-So I'd like to initiate the process of building a new PC with a new PSU and case.  I'd also like to salvage my old motherboard, sata drives, fans, cd/dvd, graphics, etc.
-But I am confused about the power supply issue...

The main connector is a 24pin.  But there's another 4 pin that connects to the motherboard.  Here's a pic:







is there any reason why you can't replace just the power supply and leave the motherboard, cpu, ram, cd drive, hard drive, usb connectors etc? you are ABSOLUTELY sure it's the power supply, right? and not a connector. either way those cables are stuck into the power supply pretty well aren't they? so best bet, just replace the entire power supply. but if you can, plug the computer in, and make sure no light are on, etc. when you try and turn on your computer, there is no power, no monitor flickering, no anything right? if you have a working power supply but a bad cable, and replace the power supply with a bad cable, chances are you can fry your entire computer. be careful with that.

once again, any reason you can just not replace just the power supply, and leave everything else, once of course you diagnose that it is for sure the power supply.

btw just so we are clear, in that pic you disabled the 20 pin connector on purpose, correct?


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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: imachavel]
    #14445577 - 05/13/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

No, that's exactly what I want to do.  Replace the power supply, assuming that is the problem.

Here's why I think the PSU is the problem:
-PC won't power on
-blinking LED on the power supply (when plugged in)
-light continues to blink when disconnected from all components.

Do you see the two cables in the pic that I was talking about, though?  The 24pin and the 4pin?


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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: imachavel]
    #14445582 - 05/13/11 01:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

maybe this will help simply things for you:



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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: imachavel]
    #14445660 - 05/13/11 01:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, it looked like he had a 24pin motherboard connector AND a 4-pin motherboard connector.

Uh... what the hell is that 4-pin connector??  He even forgot to connect the 4-pin and had to troubleshoot it in the video!

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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: Society]
    #14445726 - 05/13/11 02:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah, it looked like he had a 24pin motherboard connector AND a 4-pin motherboard connector.


i didnt watch the video but that is probably the CPU lead.. which is where you are getting confused. you have that connection too.



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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: frith]
    #14445803 - 05/13/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Okay, thanks.  That's extactly what is confusing me.  When they describe 20+4pin systems, they are not talking about this 4pin 12v connector?  The 20+4 is ONLY the big main connector which will ether be 20 or 24pins...

What exactly do these extra 4pin ATX connectors do?  I noticed some power supplies come with 8pin for EPS....


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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: frith]
    #14445833 - 05/13/11 02:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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When they describe 20+4pin systems, they are not talking about this 4pin 12v connector? The 20+4 is ONLY the big main connector which will ether be 20 or 24pins...



exactly. now youve got it.

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Society said:
What exactly do these extra 4pin ATX connectors do?



I assume you mean the CPU lead? the CPU lead is for.... the CPU!

The big main connector is for everything else drawing power from the mobo.

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I noticed some power supplies come with 8pin for EPS....



EPS is used for extremely high end computers and servers. you dont worry about them.

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heres a decent one for $30:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371003




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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: frith] * 1
    #14447399 - 05/13/11 07:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The link I posted earlier for the power supply is an exact match to the one you need.

http://goo.gl/UgZWq = $32.95

"This power unit has (1) 24 pin ATX connector, (1) ATX12V connector, (2) Serial ATA power connectors, (5) peripheral power connectors, and (1) floppy drive connector"

That other 4-pin connecter is a ATV 12V... 24 + 4 solved :laugh:


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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: Dimi]
    #14448450 - 05/13/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

that is all great

but if i may say so, and not to spoil the fact that this should be solved, but it's so hard to understand configuring components through text conversation.

it's like trying to explain how to build a lego set. a set of instructions found online might help, or the manual, but trying to word it out is so difficult. i'm sure i screwed up my explanation, but i myself get confused.

on a brighter side, i'm glad you got everything squared away


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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: imachavel]
    #14472558 - 05/18/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well, for those who were desperately awaiting for an update, I blew $120 on the following:

$60 Antec 500W power supply unit:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371035

$60 Antec case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042

Both were highly rated on newegg and also suggested by a friend who builds PCs.

Now the waiting begins as my products arrive and I discover that HP permanently welded the motherboard to the original case, and if it is tampered with, a self-destruct sequence activates which wipes out not only my entire home, but possibly all of civilization as we know it.

But seriously... in the back of my mind I have a fear that, somehow, the motherboard I currently own (mentioned in a previous post) is going to be incompatible with a non-HP case.  Tell me I'm being paranoid.  This doesn't happen, does it?


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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: Society]
    #14472638 - 05/18/11 11:03 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Tell me I'm being paranoid.



You are being paranoid.

You have been for this whole thread though so I guess why stop now.

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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: frith]
    #14472682 - 05/18/11 11:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

proprietary components suck!


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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: thodub]
    #14472702 - 05/18/11 11:16 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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proprietary components suck!



oh christ.. this again?

:facepalm:


here is the mobo in the machine..

http://www.algogo.com/store/products/ASUS-P5LP%252dLE-Lithium2%252dUL8E-945P-HP-Compaq-Motherboard.html

that is a standard form factor. it is NOT proprietary. it will work.


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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: thodub]
    #14472714 - 05/18/11 11:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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frith said:
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Tell me I'm being paranoid.



You are being paranoid.

You have been for this whole thread though so I guess why stop now.

:awesome:




I have been for most of my life.  Some people stay up for days on meth and worry about phone lines being tapped, police watching them, the mysterious white van across the street, etc.

I stay up for days on meth and wrinkle my forehead over motherboard-operating system recognition or 12V rails.

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proprietary components suck!




Any stories you care to share?


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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: Society]
    #14472735 - 05/18/11 11:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

dell computers.


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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: thodub]
    #14472788 - 05/18/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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dell computers.



He has a point. They can be a nightmare because of the use of seemingly standard, but on closer examination proprietary components, in particular mainboards and PSU's.


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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: koraks]
    #14473520 - 05/18/11 02:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

dells are so popular, but i hate them. i don't know, i guess anything windows sucks.

but here is a good question, why did you need a new case? i thought i was really illiterate with these things, but what is the purpose of a new case? are you going to unscrew the motherboard AND the washers that keep it from being grounded just to replace the power supply?

i really want this guy i worked with fixing computers for a month to hire me back. :lol:

i just keep missing so many things that seem so obvious. let us know how your new power supply/pc works out.


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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: Society]
    #14473569 - 05/18/11 02:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Society said:
Quote:

frith said:
Quote:

Society said:
Tell me I'm being paranoid.



You are being paranoid.

You have been for this whole thread though so I guess why stop now.

:awesome:




I have been for most of my life.  Some people stay up for days on meth and worry about phone lines being tapped, police watching them, the mysterious white van across the street, etc.

I stay up for days on meth and wrinkle my forehead over motherboard-operating system recognition or 12V rails.

Quote:

thodub said:
proprietary components suck!




Any stories you care to share?




we all stay up all night over our computer components. computers are a nightmare. imagine a network administrator watching over a master domain for 3 other domains and a total of 4 subnets, and 1000 end hosts. jesus 1 problem and he has to go through every mac address on the entire network to make sure all things running are compatible.

none the less, as complicated as computers are, why are you overcomplicating things? sure, a good complex explanation is needed to really know how a computer works and how to fix it, but none the less, if all you needed was to simply replace the power supply, why did you buy a new case? if some other electrical component wasn't working, what is the need for a new case, which has no effect at all on electrical components. even the power button which can be disconnected and make you think the power supply is bad, is connected internally, and has nothing to do with the case what so ever.

good luck though, did it fix the problem? i'm a bit rusty with replacing a power supply myself. installing one is easy. well, building a computer is the easiest thing in the world, just kaing sure all the parts are compatible is the hard thing. and obviously turning it on, installing windows, and getting on the thing logging on the internet etc. with the drivers working and everything else is another thing al together. all really simple, considering you do everything right in the correct order.

if not, installing something as simple as windows on a new partition can be a painstaking task of looking up every step you did to figure out what little mistake messed up everything along the way.


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