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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: imachavel]
#14439385 - 05/12/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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imachavel said: you're probably right
i am.
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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: frith]
#14439874 - 05/12/11 12:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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about what? it not being a home theatre pc?
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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: imachavel]
#14439881 - 05/12/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I believe what windows media center is on all windows 7 machines. What makes a computer an HTPC or not is simply if you have it plugged in to your TV. I have an HTPC, but dont use windows media center.
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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: DieCommie]
#14439894 - 05/12/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i didn't know you could have a computer that hooked up to your t.v./xbox/entertainment center in any way shape or form if it didn't have windows media center.
very interesting. How did you do it?
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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: imachavel] 1
#14439900 - 05/12/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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You just plug it in, using DVI or HDMI or whatever you want.
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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: DieCommie]
#14442491 - 05/12/11 09:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Goddamnit. Things are just getting more and more complicated.
Took apart my PC to find out that's got a 24 pin PSU socket, and not a 20. Guess I have to get an adapter. And this is still all with the hope that my motherboard has not crapped out, as well.
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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: frith]
#14442793 - 05/12/11 10:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Society said: Goddamnit. Things are just getting more and more complicated.
Took apart my PC to find out that's got a 24 pin PSU socket, and not a 20. Guess I have to get an adapter. And this is still all with the hope that my motherboard has not crapped out, as well.
have you looked at any new PSUs yet? or even read this thread?
i posted this:
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frith said: any PSU will be fine. heres a decent one for $30: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371003
the first thing mentioned in the 2nd paragraph of the description says:
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One main connector (20 + 4 pin)
that is a 24pin connector.
id be surprised if ANYONE makes 20pin only PSUs anymore. there is usually a 24pin connector with 4 of them that can be detached for old computers. 24pin has been the standard for maybe 6 or 7 years now.
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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: frith]
#14444973 - 05/13/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have read the entire thread, don't jump to ignorant conclusions.
You don't understand at all. This is a 24+4 pin. Not a 20+4 pin. Hence, they make 20-24pin adapters.
I have read that some 24 pin motherboards support a 20pin PSU and vice versa. But I'm not sure how I would know that, so I might need to purchase an adapter.
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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: Society]
#14445001 - 05/13/11 11:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm not aware of the specifics of this HP machine, but I do know that e.g. Dell used to (and AFAIK still does) have custom header blocks for PSU connections. If your HP mainboard indeed requires a 24+4 (=28) pin connector, then it is possible that you can only get away with using a proprietary HP power supply unit. Again, I don't know if this is the case with HP, but I do know that it has happened with other brands, including Dell.
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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: frith]
#14445006 - 05/13/11 11:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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there is no such thing as a 28 pin PSU. even the PSU you originally linked is 24 pin.
when it says 20+4 it means that there is a 24 pin main connector where 4 of those pins are detachable. that gives you the option to use it with a 20 pin mobo if needed (which you dont).
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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: frith]
#14445068 - 05/13/11 11:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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koraks said: I'm not aware of the specifics of this HP machine, but I do know that e.g. Dell used to (and AFAIK still does) have custom header blocks for PSU connections. If your HP mainboard indeed requires a 24+4 (=28) pin connector, then it is possible that you can only get away with using a proprietary HP power supply unit. Again, I don't know if this is the case with HP, but I do know that it has happened with other brands, including Dell.
Ugh, this is such a fucking pain in the ass now. I can see why so many people don't go through the trouble of building their own PC.
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frith said: there is no such thing as a 28 pin PSU. even the PSU you originally linked is 24 pin.
when it says 20+4 it means that there is a 24 pin main connector where 4 of those pins are detachable. that gives you the option to use it with a 20 pin mobo if needed (which you dont).
again..
I pulled a 24 pin connecter AND a 4 pin connector out of my motherboard. I don't know why you insist on arguing about this. Run a google search on 24+4pin PSU/motherboards. Look ATX up on wiki. They exist.
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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: Society]
#14445113 - 05/13/11 11:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, to be honest, I just did a quick search, and couldn't find anything on a 24+4 pin ATX pinout. Could you snap a (sharp) pic of the connectors on the original PSU? It's important that we can see what color wire goes into which pin, so we can determine the pinout.
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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: Society]
#14445130 - 05/13/11 11:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Society said: I pulled a 24 pin connecter AND a 4 pin connector out of my motherboard. I don't know why you insist on arguing about this. Run a google search on 24+4pin PSU/motherboards. Look ATX up on wiki. They exist.
when people refer to 24 vs 20 pin PSUs they are only talking about the main mobo connector.
there is another 4 pin connector for the CPU on all mobos whether they are 24 or 20 pin.
ive built hundreds of computers. i know what im talking about.
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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: Society]
#14445139 - 05/13/11 11:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you ask me, you're having all this problem because you're starting a build from an HP. The HP I had required a few parts that were HP specific, and the case was a fucking mess, I couldn't figure out that complicated erector set shit for the life of me. A cheap ATX/mini-ATX case is like 30 bucks, just build from there and swap your own parts in, and you'll come out ahead I think.
I am by no means an expert, I have done this exactly once, so if someone else sounds like they know better, they probably do.
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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: guywiththegun]
#14445144 - 05/13/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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guywiththegun said: If you ask me, you're having all this problem because you're starting a build from an HP.
i think its more of a problem that OP is just over-thinking things.
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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: frith]
#14445151 - 05/13/11 11:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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frith said: ive built hundreds of computers. i know what im talking about.
You've never built a proprietary HP computer though
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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: koraks]
#14445303 - 05/13/11 12:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's what I mean. I'm not saying it can't be done, I just had an easier time cannibalizing the old computer and putting it all in a micro-ATX midsize case. Works great, man.
But that was definitely a case of me not wanting to search around for proprietary parts and stuff.
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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: Society]
#14445311 - 05/13/11 12:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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frith said: ive built hundreds of computers. i know what im talking about.
You've never built a proprietary HP computer though 
the power supply is not proprietary. OP posted the power supply that is in the machine.
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Society said: Newegg link
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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: Society]
#14445368 - 05/13/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ugh, this is such a fucking pain in the ass now. I can see why so many people don't go through the trouble of building their own PC.
building your own pc always seems so simple, like it's a 10 step process. once you have to start trouble shooting though, it turns into a 200 step process, and not knowing just one step makes you feel like you don't know a god damn thing, as you get completely stuck and have nowhere to go if you can't figure out that one step. some people theorize that bill gates couldn't fix his macintosh when it breaks, as he only knows windows

yes its a joke
i don't think the 20-24 pin connector is as big of a pain in the ass to figure out as buying the wrong hard drive for a motherboard. the motherboard has an ide controller, with an idea connector cable, and you buy a sata hard drive. will make you feel absolutely stupid. with the 24 pin cable, it's just like legos you just have to fit the right end correctly and it snaps into place. like someone else said, pc's these days rarely have power supply cables that are different versions, therefore uncompatible.
remember like anything else you do 1000 times it'll seem so easy once you know it all.
how about putting a hard drive into a computer and it won't recognize the hard drive, because the jumper isn't on cs? or what about, you need to reinstall windows, because you have a blue screen from hell that can't be fixed, but when you restart to boot from the cd drive, the cd drive won't read the disk. so you try a different disk, no luck. replace the cd drive. no luck. replace the connector cable to the cd drive(which should match your hard drive connector cable usually, unless your motherboard has dual connector motherboard controllers) no luck. so fuck it, replace the controller, AND get a an entirely new connector cable and cd drive. finally it works. if that doesn't work truthfully i don't know what tot tell you. finally you can install windows. but wait, your friend burned you a copy of windows 7, but your pc had windows xp installed on it. the activation code on the sticker on your pc obviously won't work. and he forgot to write it down for you when he gave it to you. so you call him up and he gives you the install code over the phone. only he forgot to tell you that since he activated his copy online, when you activate your copy online, instead of chosing not to, microsoft will recognize the same code is activated twice, and will shut down your windows in 7 days. great, start over all over again. now THAT'S a pain 
anyway, my point is this power supply 24 pin connector should be easy enough to figure out once you realize you are probably missing a piece, or inserted it the wrong way. heh.
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Re: Is building your own PC worth it? ... [Re: frith]
#14445380 - 05/13/11 12:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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frith said: ive built hundreds of computers. i know what im talking about.
You've never built a proprietary HP computer though 
the power supply is not proprietary. OP posted the power supply that is in the machine.
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Society said: Newegg link
ok yeah i didn't read this. now I'M confused. the op's power supply was broken, so he bought a different one and it isn't compatible? i'm sorry i'm so confused, i'm just not understanding why there is SO much trouble over a power supply. thanks
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