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ShadowHagi
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Had a quick question about cultivation
#14427376 - 05/09/11 10:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Before i read somewhere that if you cultivate some cakes in pint jars and they start pinning and you keep them in a dark place with no light to NOT initiate spawning, and Then wait until there is yellow like ooze in the jar that the mushrooms with then produce more potent from cultivation. Is this true? Has anyone tested this idea of letting the mycelium/mushrooms cultivate a extra ~month till there is yellow residue in the jar and then grow/collect over just waiting for first signs of pinning to initiate spawning a flush?
I was going to look into it more but if i broke any rules by asking the question please excuse me and give me a warning if possible over a ban.
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Primal Call
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Re: Had a quick question about cultivation [Re: ShadowHagi]
#14427396 - 05/09/11 10:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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you won't get banned for asking questions, but you will annoy people. I tend to have more patience than most, so I'll help where I can.
Firstly, it is currently held that indirect, ambient light is beneficial in ALL stages of mushroom growth. The darkness idea is old information.
And secondly, the yellow ooze you speak of is your mycelium telling you it doesn't like what you're doing. Most people refer to it as "myc piss" or "metabolites." Regardless of your nicknames for it, you want white, earthy-sweet, robust mycelium to completely cover your grain/BRF, wait an additional 5-7 days, then spawn to fruiting conditions or bulk to colonize your chosen substrate.
hope this helps 
edit: oh yeah... as for increasing potency using any method, let us know how you objectively prove your ability to do this, especially using the above-mentioned strategy.
Edited by Primal Call (05/09/11 10:39 PM)
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Doc_T
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Re: Had a quick question about cultivation [Re: Primal Call]
#14427433 - 05/09/11 10:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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"improving potency" is the mark of a n00b. What's wrong with the current level of potency you are growing?
-------------------- You make it all possible. Doesn't it feel good?
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ShadowHagi
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Re: Had a quick question about cultivation [Re: Doc_T]
#14427481 - 05/09/11 11:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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It was a question one i will probably try figure out on my own but didn't know if anyone has had that idea or had a similar case and what the results where. When its yellow and that shows "metabolites" that mean it is overworking on the current stage of growth? Or what exactly does that mean if you could help. Read that "They also help the mycelium to break down substrate materials." does this mean it will help produce more potent or larger mushrooms since its breaking it down a further step to attain more nutrients?
Thank you for the answers and the patience. Also sorry for my failed English classes if you need something explained please say so.
Edited by ShadowHagi (05/09/11 11:05 PM)
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Re: Had a quick question about cultivation [Re: Primal Call]
#14427482 - 05/09/11 11:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I had 2 read it twice cause it was confuzing.
-------------------- PESH : Pinning Transeski : colonizing Orrisa : colonizing Mex a : colonizing You're not a mycologist just because you grow mushrooms.
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Primal Call
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Re: Had a quick question about cultivation [Re: ShadowHagi]
#14427504 - 05/09/11 11:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
skiddy said: I had 2 read it twice cause it was confuzing.
me or the OP? People often tell me I am very clear, but I'll try to explain differently if need be...
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ShadowHagi said: When its yellow and that shows "metabolites" that mean it is overworking on the current stage of growth? Or what exactly does that mean if you could help.
Thank you for the answers and the patience.
To be honest, which 99% of the time I am, you've got the idea about as scientifically nailed as I do. I don't have the metabolic process down well enough to explain it. I just know I can relate the yellowing to stress, drying out, or hungry mycelium looking for more food to munch on.
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ShadowHagi
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Re: Had a quick question about cultivation [Re: Primal Call]
#14427530 - 05/09/11 11:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Alright thank you for that I will be trying to attain a camera to show results of same strain(same syringe, inoculated same time, basically everything done exactly the same) one done with it just white mycelium then harvested. Versus a jar that i let sit till it shows metabolites and compare the difference in flushes/weight/personal trials if this is allowed?
In the meantime i just wanted to understand why this was the case and personally if i quoted that correctly im lead astray a bit because that means that waiting till that happens means more nutrient's/food is given to the mycelium over a longer than average period and might produce better end product. But there is a risk of it producing less because of lack of food was the main downside other than more possible contams that i could think of. This is all hypothetical sorry for no data.
Edited by ShadowHagi (05/09/11 11:16 PM)
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Primal Call
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Re: Had a quick question about cultivation [Re: ShadowHagi]
#14427548 - 05/09/11 11:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Personal trials are wisely avoided for the inexperienced; it often leads to disaster, but you can do whatever the hell you want 
As for "waiting till that happens means more nutrient's/food is given to the mycelium over a longer than average period and might produce better end product," it's my understanding the mycelium is out of food by the time the yellowing shows, so waiting any longer would only weaken them as they begin to starve and result in a worse end-product.
I could be wrong There is always that.
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ShadowHagi
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Re: Had a quick question about cultivation [Re: Primal Call]
#14427565 - 05/09/11 11:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah i planned to finish spawning them after they showed the yellow(also read its occasionally brown?).
So i was only going to a try a 1 jar vs 1 jar wasn't going to go overboard and figured if it had good results let people prosper if they find it.
In the meantime since im inexperienced i will probably stray away from this till i at least have a digital camera to document as well and thank you for the advice its always appreciated.
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