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First Grow...Ever..
    #14426941 - 05/09/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Alright, so I've always(since my late teens) been a big fan of cubes, but, due to factors such as acquiring a family, and being 30 years old, it'd become hard to get my much loved shrooms. 

Thanks totally to this board, I'm well on my way(as soon as my PC cools)to being self sufficient in regards to getting weird... once in a blue moon, who knows, now maybe I'll do that more often.

So I've got my BRF and Vermiculite in some 4oz jars(correct taper) and put about an inch of dry vermiculite on top, I put them in the pc for an hour and when they get out, I'm going to make a syringe from my prints and inoculate all in one session of cleanliness. 

I'll post pics as things progress.  I'm really excited about this.  Thanks to everyone who helped make this totally awesome situation come to be, you know who you are.

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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Geoffrey]
    #14426954 - 05/09/11 09:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Make sure you let the jars cool!


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Wing]
    #14427015 - 05/09/11 09:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ohh yeah, one more thing. 

I've seen a lot of posts and threads where people have trouble finding supplies like syringes, scalpels, needles and so on...
Find a local farm/ranch store, they have a veterinary dept which carries all of these items in the sizes we need(18ga and larger 1.5 inch needles are common for horses).

My next item i want to find locally is a sterile bottle with a self healing cap(like what injectable meds come in).  The idea is, instead of keeping spore solution in syringes, I can just whip it up 50cc's at a time.


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Geoffrey]
    #14427211 - 05/09/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

there are 60cc syringes. great for Agar's Grain LC, but you can make this with 10cc syringes as well.

16g, 1.5" needle with 60cc syringe grain LC = :woot:

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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Primal Call]
    #14427808 - 05/10/11 12:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Aright, that seems to have been a total bust, but we'll see. 

I do think that no one has ever made such a shit attempt at cultivating a mushroom.

Nothing went right.

The spores wouldnt come off the paper(the print I received was on paper) and I finally got a few of them in there...

I'm just not sure of this deal....  I saw a few spores float off and disappear into the water, but I couldn't see any in the water, I know they're microscopic, but damn this syringe was real clear...

I'm not so sure something didnt come off the aluminum foil and get into my water(for making syringe) in the pressure cooker.... Ughhh...

I'm only doing 4oz PF cake jars, If I don't see something in a couple days I'm going to just go on and order a syringe or something for my first run....

This was just kinda defeating... I built a clean room out of 7mil plastic lol... and installed lighting in it.. I read for a month and a half and planned for the past two weeks.

I'll eventually get it right.  I'm not losing this easy...


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Geoffrey]
    #14427989 - 05/10/11 02:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Don't be so hard on yourself dude! :smile: Learn to see the mistakes, which you may not have even made yet, as experience in a realm where even the experts still consider themselves just getting below the surface on which you and I crawl.

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Geoffrey said: I'm not losing this easy...




Oh, but you are! Waiting only a few days for spores to germinate is plain impatient, and you will slowly, yes slowly, learn that impatience does not pay off in this hobby. Spores can take up to two weeks to germinate, even in the 70's (F). This is not "normal," but it happens.

As you noted, spores are microscopic, but if you are working with only so few, it would be best to put them to agar. From there, and after some transfers to clean up your print, you can expand to grain or an LC. Don't be afraid of agar. With a still air box and a good cleaning of the work area, you can make an amazing entrance into the best place you can start (agar), especially if you are getting your spores from a non-sponsor.

The easier route is to buy online from a sponsor. If you get any contaminates, it is almost assuredly your inoculation procedure or media preparation, which are easily diagnosed.

As far as 4oz jars, are these the same as 1/2 pints? You are doing cakes? If so, be sure to watch and re-watch and re-watch the PF tek videos. If you follow those exactly, you will have your flushes soon enough.

IMO, you are better off spawning your cakes to bulk :grin:

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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Primal Call]
    #14428045 - 05/10/11 02:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The 4oz jars are 1/4 pints.

Yeah, I'm doing BRF PF Cakes.

This first run was/is all about getting some personal stash and plenty of spores to play with and figure out how I'm going to proceed with this in the future. 

From what I've read(and this isnt the reason I bought the 4oz jars, they just happened to be around)the 4oz jars colonize pretty quick, but yeah, they do have to germinate first I suppose.

I really should have procured a spore syringe for this run, then made my own after i had the spores to do it.


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Geoffrey]
    #14428079 - 05/10/11 02:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ahh... ok. They will colonize really quickly then, but it can still take up to 3-4 weeks from start to ready for fruiting conditions. Your best bet is to keep reading and reading and/or inoculate more jars.

As for expanding your spores, use GLC rather than going back to spores from your fruits. Not only will it take longer, but you will increase the likelihood of contamination printing, making a syringe, then inoculating all over again. With GLC, you know you have a clean culture to begin with, which is highly resistant to contamination. Furthermore, LC compared to MS in terms of speed is :wow: amazing.


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Primal Call]
    #14428111 - 05/10/11 02:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, I'd love to have some live culture to inoculate with.  After I get a grow under my belt ill be able to.


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Geoffrey]
    #14429679 - 05/10/11 12:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I just put a fresh batch of jars in the PC, along with some bottled water in a jar to make my syringe, my syringes, needles, some tyvek(inside a jar) and a couple shot glasses....

I used the 1 cup water, 2 cups vermiculite, 1 cup BRF this time...

I can buy jars all day long, but this organic brf stuffs going to get expensive, around here a couple pounds runs like $7....

I'm going to do some grain before long...


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Geoffrey]
    #14431039 - 05/10/11 05:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Don't bother superfluously supporting bottled water companies; you can use tap water.

Grain = :super:  Check bulk animal feed stores or health food store bulk bin sections. You should be able to find winter/red wheat, rye berries, or an equivalent for somewhere between 0.50 to 1.30 per pound.
You can also try wild bird seed (WBS), but, personally, I think rye or wheat is much better for at least two reasons.


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Primal Call]
    #14431947 - 05/10/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I live in the middle of rice & wheat farm country, it's kinda out in the sticks a bit, but grains easy to score out here.  I've got a buddy down the road at Riceland that can score all the 50lb bags I want of wheat and rice(unfortunantly it's white) but it still works good for animal feed.

Truthfully, it's really easier to get some of this stuff in rural areas because you've got feed stores that carry a lot of veterinary stuff(syringes, needles, scalpels...) not to mention if you hit some old ladies yard sale out here, you're gonna find a damn PC everytime.

If there was something I could do with corn or soybeans, it'd be on. 

I've got a horse, his poo pile will get a shroom or two here and there. I've got a pile of horse shit id love to just cultivate the shit pile, but I'm not bringing it in and boiling it, its hundreds of pounds.

Ohhh yeah, there's a millet field across the hwy from here I could prolly get a few bags free if not cheap as dirt from them...



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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Geoffrey]
    #14434148 - 05/11/11 10:01 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Don't use white rice; it's got too much starch. The wheat will work if they haven't processed it yet. You want all the nutrients from the bran and germ to be intact, aka wheatberries. Millet will also work.

Regardless of what grain you end up using, the most important thing in the preparatory phase is getting proper moisture inside the grain from soaking/simmering, then letting all the water on the outside dry off before you load/PC. The reason I mention this is because getting to that sweet-spot varies from grain to grain.

hpoo = :woot: and you don't want to boil it anyway :smile:


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Primal Call]
    #14434747 - 05/11/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What I've found so far on HPoo says to sterilize or pasturize it.....

Got a link to a more "natural" method?


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Geoffrey]
    #14435145 - 05/11/11 02:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I was writing literally. Pasteurizing is the way to go, but you want to maintain temperatures of ~145-175F. Boiling the water (212F+) would kill the probiotics in the hpoo.



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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Primal Call]
    #14435874 - 05/11/11 05:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)



I think I got these made up quite a bit better than the last ones, these arent all water logged.

On the pasturizing thing, so Could I do like 20 gallons of pasturized poo then pour that on top of the rest of it and spawn into it?  I mean eventually would the damn things ever just grow there wild?


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Geoffrey]
    #14437199 - 05/11/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Geoffrey said:

On the pasturizing thing, so Could I do like 20 gallons of pasturized poo then pour that on top of the rest of it and spawn into it?  I mean eventually would the damn things ever just grow there wild?




Your jars look... clumpy to me... but let's hope someone other than me responds in this thread :lol: because I have never done PF tek before.

On the quoted part here... hypothetically, yes, IF you have ideal fruiting conditions outside. But if you are going to bother with the pasteurization process, you may as well make a tub and manage the microclimate with ideal conditions yourself. Monotubs are seriously much easier than people think. That is, until they try them. Also, it'd be a sad waste of good spawn to find out you don't have ideal outside weather patterns. Furthermore, you can put a "spent" substrate in said pile of poo after a few flushes and find out if the conditions will work anyway.

Check the link in my signature if you are looking for some useful teks and don't want to UTSE. Virtually everything you need for bulk setups is in there along with some more links you will find helpful if you move on to some other methods of creating cultures.

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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Primal Call]
    #14437261 - 05/11/11 09:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah those do look a little clumpy. Did you mix the dry ingredients first? I don't get clumps when I mix the flour and the verm (or at least most of the verm) first, then add the water.

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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Chez man]
    #14437445 - 05/11/11 10:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

nahh i mixed it wet...

Course vermiculite man...


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Geoffrey]
    #14437647 - 05/11/11 10:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think your verm is to coarse.
Filter layer looks off.


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Geoffrey]
    #14437736 - 05/11/11 10:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

get the mid grade vermiculite. I use Hoffman's but the fuckers put fine grade verm in the bag last time i gotta go bitch at the garden center while they stand around and wonder why I'm so particular about my soil additives.


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: rustycobwebs]
    #14437780 - 05/11/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, Lowes told me over the phone they had vermiculite, so I went there. They couldnt find it, so they decided to try to sell me a bag of dirt with verm in it... I declined, by the time I left that place they had no doubt I was up to something shady...

The guys at the garden center were burn outs, I could care less what they think I've got going on...but yeah I asked about medium grade verm and they looked at me like "dude, does it really freakin matter? I thought you were getting this for your wifes violets or something?"
They told me they could order it, but id have to buy a huge sack, i told them id take one if they could get the medium stuff and they said theyd call....still waiting...


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Geoffrey]
    #14437841 - 05/11/11 11:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I've used the coarse grade.
It will break up pretty easy for the substrate.
Then I used run some through a blender for the dry layer.

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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Geoffrey]
    #14437883 - 05/11/11 11:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I think I got these made up quite a bit better than the last ones, these arent all water logged.

On the pasturizing thing, so Could I do like 20 gallons of pasturized poo then pour that on top of the rest of it and spawn into it?  I mean eventually would the damn things ever just grow there wild?




Next time use fine vermiculite for PF tek


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: fbi365]
    #14438198 - 05/12/11 12:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

you can crunch it up yourself.

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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: k00laid]
    #14438339 - 05/12/11 01:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

ok the tips I have for you are that you said you were going to make your syringe and noc your jars all at one time... I believe that you need to wait a little bit for the spores to soak up some water I like to make my syringes at least a day ahead of time... and definately use fine verm... go to lowes and just look in the garden center for a rack with smaller bags of dirt and shit and it says vermiculite on it made by Sta-Green... works like a charm...


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: TrowaBarton]
    #14438447 - 05/12/11 02:36 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Can I ask what you are using for sterilization times and are you making sure you are not getting any more water in the jars while you are sterilizing them? Cause it looks to me that you over cooked them and possibly got to much water...


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: thor_ak]
    #14438462 - 05/12/11 02:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Those little jars, depending on the PC cooker you are using, if you are using one, probably only need 30 min PC time (thats from boiling).. Also make sure you have tin foil over the tops of the lids and that you dont put to much water in there. When I mix my jars, I measure out the verm, then I wet it down to where when its all mixed, and I tip the bowl Im mixing it in there is just a small puddle of water. Then I mix in my BRF evenly, stirring as I add more. I fill my 1/2 pints to the top very loosely, then I do the tap down tek, and that leaves me with about 5/8s of an inch for my verm barrier.


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: thor_ak]
    #14439255 - 05/12/11 09:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If you have course verm, just run it through a coffe grinder first.

Like DrRockso said, "verm is too coarse", it won't filter contaminates if it's too big.


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Chez man]
    #14439332 - 05/12/11 09:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm using a 16qt pc to sterilize.  I've been running it 45min @ 15psi.

So I just got done messing around out beside the barn. My horse poo pile, just where we throw all the shit, it's not there for shrooms, is fully colonized with myc. This is just plain Jane regular outdoor cube myc.   

Should I try to cultivate the natural cubes? Maybe water them and such?


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Geoffrey]
    #14439357 - 05/12/11 09:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

it might be cubes.

get proper ID before eating anything you find in the wild.

as far as cultivating them goes.

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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: k00laid]
    #14441054 - 05/12/11 05:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)



That's a myc covered poo nugget I dug up a minute ago, that myc is all over under there... WELL colonized... I cant wait for the next rain, should be this evening.  Sometimes the pins in the patch will be the size of a hotdog weener.

Ohh it's cubes alright!  I shovel all the poo over there, I do it every  couple days, its back in the corner where the fences meet, theres two big huge oak trees that shade it really nice... The fence corner shades from the north and east and the barn from the west...just a hair of direct sunlight can get in mid day for about 30 minutes if that.... The area we are talking about is about 12x16 feet...

I came up with the idea of putting Peanut's(the horse) poo back there for this reason.

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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Geoffrey]
    #14441707 - 05/12/11 07:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Ohh it's cubes alright!




just be careful yo.

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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: k00laid]
    #14441757 - 05/12/11 07:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Is this the Tater Tot Tek?


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Steelcutoats]
    #14441935 - 05/12/11 08:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Seems to fit... lol

Nahh, thats just a fluffy butt nugget...


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Geoffrey]
    #14442078 - 05/12/11 08:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I would try to snag some of that Myc, and make a LC Syringe from it, if possible.. Its worth a shot!


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Geoffrey]
    #14442545 - 05/12/11 09:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Im not sure its possible


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Geoffrey]
    #14442868 - 05/12/11 11:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

best to wait for fruits and take a sample from the inside of a fruit. put on agar and cultivate.

also get some spores on agar.

but straight dung mycelium to agar wouldnt be the easiest way


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: k00laid]
    #14443577 - 05/13/11 02:39 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If the poo pile fruits couldn't you just bruise a fruit and see if it turns blue or are there poisonous mush that also stain blue?


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14443961 - 05/13/11 06:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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If the poo pile fruits couldn't you just bruise a fruit and see if it turns blue or are there poisonous mush that also stain blue?




blue is one of the identifying factors.

but not the main one. or the only one.


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: k00laid]
    #14444189 - 05/13/11 08:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

theyre cubes...


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Geoffrey]
    #14444205 - 05/13/11 08:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Take pics:mushroomgrow::getstoned:


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14454122 - 05/14/11 11:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Alright, so either I've had a huge case of beginners luck plop down on me or the contams just haven't shown up yet.  A week ago, when I made my first jars(the 4oz ones, not the half pints i did later, i produced the most water logged piss poor looking examples of jars ever.  I didn't even photo these because they just scream FAILURE!  I kept them though, and figured maybe one might end up turning out and I cant afford to waste an chance of getting some spores right now.  Sure enough, I have this fluffy white looking stuff showing up now, and I'm happy about that, it's just the beginnings, but hey, my fingers are crossed and as soon as there's enough myc to photo, I will, maybe tomorrow.


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Geoffrey]
    #14461697 - 05/16/11 11:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

This is one of my 4oz(1/4 pint) jars.  These are water logged bad, really bad, the slime looking stuff you see is nothing more than BRF that's wet as hell, been there since I PC'ed them...

I've got some mycelium starting to show on up though. 
My 1/2 pint jars look really good now, I'll get a pic of them tonight, perfect water content, no goopy brf paste...



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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Geoffrey]
    #14461791 - 05/16/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

As wet as those nasty little things are, I should case them or something shouldnt I?  I've had 1 of the 12 go down to black mold already, and I know that I've got better conditions for contams than shrooms.

Should I just let them colonize as far as they'll go then maybe crumble them into a shallow dish of some sort and fruit from there?  Really, I just NEED to get some shrooms to spore print off these, this was my first run of jars and I put all my eggs in one basket so to speak with a particular strain that I'd like to keep... 

The second run I did much better, didnt use as much of a spore print as I did with those and things are OK...

Those little 4oz jars, you've just gotta be really careful how much solution you inoculate with... It's not hard to do to much real fast with a 12cc/mL syringe...  Also somehow or another I jerked around and didnt press the needle up to the glass to inoculate some of the holes on some jars, so I'm sure I've got a lot more growth inside than I do outside.... live and learn...second batch looks much better lol


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Geoffrey]
    #14461948 - 05/16/11 12:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I crumbled 12 cakes into some left over coir and it colonized and pinned.


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14474402 - 05/18/11 05:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)




My half pint jars are germinated now and looking super clean, I've got a lot of faith in these... fingers are crossed and I'm knocking on wood after saying that, but yeah.  Hopefully they'll do good.  These jars are all BRF/Vermiculite jars.

I've aquired bulk amounts of rye, millet, and wbs though and can't wait to play with that... I'm going to do some edibles of some kind as well this next round, not real sure which ones yet though...


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Geoffrey]
    #14501509 - 05/23/11 09:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)




Am I doing ok? These look good?


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Geoffrey]
    #14501521 - 05/23/11 09:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Looks nice, hope they don't stall on you at 99%...


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14501560 - 05/23/11 09:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Is this likely?


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Geoffrey]
    #14501675 - 05/23/11 09:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Every tall jar I have ever had has stalled and taken over a month sometimes two to colonize, and the half pint cakes I have done were all :thumbdown::cuteshit:. Some have success with cakes but not for me, most eventually go to bulk and I have an awesome stealth tek in the makings, just trying to get the costs down.


Every bulk grow I have done almost grew itself with no help with amazing dry ounces of potent shrooms, all I use is a mono, colonized sterile rye berries, gypsum, and Damion5050's elementary coir tek in 2 small 64 quart monos with half the coir and 3 quarts of the colonized rye per tub.(about $30 for about 5-6 ounces of dry shrooms, have to have a PC though)

And opening the tub and seeing your second massive flushes is almost indescribable, kinda like Christmas morning mixed with going over the first drop on a roller coaster. Everyone who does mycology should learn how to use and own a pressure cooker IMO unless the have an autoclave...:awesomenod::thumbup::mushroomgrow: :mushdance:
BULK IS FAST & EASY! funny thing is that my bulk is in smaller tubs than my SG, I am about to convert my SG to a still air box for pouring agar.


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14501741 - 05/23/11 10:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I PC everything..  I'm pursuing some wbs jars as well right now...

Grain to horse poo and hay/straw is where I wanna go with this... I'm not exactly sure what I'm doing, but I think I've got something worked out.  I'll post pics and updates as my grain to bulk goes...

The super wet short 4oz 1/4pint jars I did, wow, those things got MESSY... Now the few that I quarantined to just to see where they'd go have like been won back over by myc.  I did take one out doors after PCing it and open it, and OMG when I did... That damn thing had the black death and green funk coming all up out of the dry layer.... it practically exploded out from under the lid... YES I DID THIS 40 MILES AWAY, TWO SHOWERS(INCLUDING TWO CHANGES OF CLOTHS)AWAY FROM MY LOCATION. NOT TO MENTION ID ALREADY PCed it......


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Geoffrey]
    #14501850 - 05/23/11 10:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I would just use Damion5050's elementary coir tek for bulk, I like to eat the bottoms of stems too, but I dont like eating poo, I did an experiment and my coir tub came out on top on potency and they have consistent results. You might do a poo sub that does nothing but side pin like my last Hpoo sub. Zoo manure works really well though because it is their preferred place to grow in wild. http://www.headypoo.com


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Geoffrey]
    #14502026 - 05/23/11 11:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I PC everything..  I'm pursuing some wbs jars as well right now...

Grain to horse poo and hay/straw is where I wanna go with this... I'm not exactly sure what I'm doing




It might be personal preference, but I found WBS to be a pain in the ass to prepare when compared to rye/wheat berries. Give them a shot if you can get a good supply. :thumbup:

Here's some links that should help with pasteurizing if you decide not to go with the bucket tek. I definitely recommend poo in the substrate... they are dung-lovers! :holyshit:

Agar's pasteurization
Facey's Shitty Sub Prep
and a video on spawning here.

And CH Hell's Additives in case you want to further diversify your substrate.

Basically, I treat mushies like they are humans. A nutritious and varied food supply makes for healthy creatures!  :psychsplit:

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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: Primal Call]
    #14502171 - 05/24/11 12:00 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Ryath said:
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Geoffrey said:
I PC everything..  I'm pursuing some wbs jars as well right now...

Grain to horse poo and hay/straw is where I wanna go with this... I'm not exactly sure what I'm doing




It might be personal preference, but I found WBS to be a pain in the ass to prepare when compared to rye/wheat berries. Give them a shot if you can get a good supply. :thumbup:

Here's some links that should help with pasteurizing if you decide not to go with the bucket tek. I definitely recommend poo in the substrate... they are dung-lovers! :holyshit:

Agar's pasteurization
Facey's Shitty Sub Prep
and a video on spawning here.

And CH Hell's Additives in case you want to further diversify your substrate.

Basically, I treat mushies like they are humans. A nutritious and varied food supply makes for healthy creatures!  :psychsplit:


:peace:




How come my coir tubs are always more potent than the poo ones?
wait my coir tubs have always been EQ NM


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14503356 - 05/24/11 08:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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How come my coir tubs are always more potent than the poo ones?





because no one has a reliable method for testing potencies.


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Re: First Grow...Ever.. [Re: k00laid]
    #14503452 - 05/24/11 09:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Nice man, your at my stage, i remember when i asked the garden center for some vermiculite, i was saying Vermicelli hahaha, they where like "what? dont you mean Vermiculite?" haha Good luck Fruiting them.


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