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OfflineKiafi
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Use of Arithromicin in cultivation?
    #1442690 - 04/09/03 01:09 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

A friend of mine is dead set on using Azithromycin (a common anti-bacterial agent used for venereal disease and bacterial infection in fish tanks,) in cultivation because he thinks it will help prevent bacteria or fungus infecting the substrate.

I think it will do nothing but harm and cost him a lot of money.

Does anyone here know about Azithromycin usages in cultivation? Or can you help me disprove a weird myth?


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Re: Use of Arithromicin in cultivation? [Re: Kiafi]
    #1442695 - 04/09/03 01:11 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

<prevent bacteria or fungus infecting the substrate<

not a good idea as the plan is to infect the substrate with a fungus


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Re: Use of Arithromicin in cultivation? [Re: Kiafi]
    #1442749 - 04/09/03 01:27 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Tell him he is a fool , this will not work , you will kill the Arithromyacin in the PC process . If he is all that worried about his" sterilization tecniques" he can use GENTAMYCIN SULFATE . Antibiotics should only be used sparingly if bacteria sources cannot be eleminated from labratory and culture . Many species can be adversely affected by the use of such anibiotics .
Good Luck
PS Mushrooms fall in the category of "FUNGUS" , do you want to kill this ?


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Re: Use of Arithromicin in cultivation? [Re: Kiafi]
    #1443000 - 04/09/03 02:16 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

sounds like your friend's idea hasn't gone down well so far.

i've never used agar yet, but the mention of antibiotic-laced agars (like the gentamicin one) is well established. using azithromycin in this way may be good, or may be no good. it isn't an antifungal, so maybe it only depends on whether it can withstand pcing. give it a go.


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Re: Use of Arithromicin in cultivation? [Re: shirley knott]
    #9555016 - 01/06/09 01:36 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Sorry to drudge up an old post but does anyone have any more recent information on Azithromycin (trade name: Zithromax) as it might be used in cultivation?

I was thinking something along the lines of as an additive to casing layers which are, or might get contaminated with bacteria (I don't think molds or other fungi are sensitive to it).


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Re: Use of Arithromicin in cultivation? [Re: Aeolus1369]
    #9556371 - 01/06/09 09:34 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Do you really want to risk creating an antibiotic resistant strain of bacteria in your house?


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Re: Use of Arithromicin in cultivation? [Re: Aeolus1369]
    #9556397 - 01/06/09 09:43 AM (7 years, 10 months ago)

One thing I don't get is why people come up with the idea of introducing some chemical or pharmaceutical bomb into the growing process. Apparently they are either paranoid or have failed in the past. So instead of revising their sterile procedures and eyeballing the environment for possible entry points for contaminations they want to stock up their nuclear arsenal.
It is the wrong path to embark on. These things are not needed. It has been proven time and again with well established cultivation methods. Those are the ones that should be followed, because they work just fine. If you fail at that then it is time to look into what YOU are doing WRONG.


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Re: Use of Arithromicin in cultivation? [Re: German Kahuna]
    #9655003 - 01/21/09 10:46 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, I agree with everything you say...of course it's easier (and smarter) to develop good culture techniques. 

That being said though, it could be of interest for experimental purposes.  For example, does wiping out all bacteria in a casing layer help anything in the long run (or harms it if the bacteria is competing with molds or something)?

I have some prescribed azithromycin lying around and was just curious.  Didn't really need a lecture, thanks.

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Do you really want to risk creating an antibiotic resistant strain of bacteria in your house?




The risk is acceptably low.  At high enough concentrations over short periods of time, everything's most likely going to be wiped out or not be exposed to the antibiotic long enough to develop resistance.  Furthermore, any bugs that did develop resistance would most likely not be potential pathogens but rather common soil microbes which would fall back into equilibrium once the selection is removed.


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Re: Use of Arithromicin in cultivation? [Re: Aeolus1369]
    #9655043 - 01/21/09 10:53 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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For example, does wiping out all bacteria in a casing layer help anything in the long run (or harms it if the bacteria is competing with molds or something)?




Yes.  We specifically pasteurize casing layers to ensure that the bacteria survive.  We want to kill the mold spores, but leave the bacteria, which helps protect against molds in the future, and bacteria also help to stimulate primordia formation in many species.

The main use for antibiotics in mushroom growing is when trying to clone wild picked fruits that are swarming with bacteria that really take off and grow on agar media.  Once we have a clean culture, sterile technique is the proper way to grow.
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