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Re: Bin Laden [Re: imachavel]
    #14425545 - 05/09/11 04:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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bush gave HUGE tax cuts to the richest 1% of the population, NOW that policy is changed. oh wait i thought it was all the republicans fault?




Seeing as they pay the bulk of the taxes, added to the fact that 50% of Americans wind up paying no federal taxes at all (and often get a handout check), who else could possibly get a rate cut?


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Bin Laden [Re: imachavel]
    #14425590 - 05/09/11 04:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ahhh, Zappa says ...

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Regulations have destroyed more jobs than anything else.  Businesses exist to provide profit.  Jobs and products are merely a means to that end.


 

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And where are they today?  This will no doubt shock you but not everybody who makes money, yes even huge money, is a crook.  I have my own ideas about why so many think so.




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Enron lasted 16 years on the basis of YOUR two points, Zappa, (1) Deregulation is vitally important to (2) Profit, the all important end.

Sure, "not everybody [...] is a crook".  Laws and regulations serve to check the criminals.  Sorry you don't like them, but a civil society needs them.  Talk to the Portland General Electric (PGE) workers who lost their livelihoods and pensions because of (1) deregulation and (2) the profit motive.  Your philosophy leads directly to hardworking people being victimized; to which your cold-hearted reply is ...

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Too bad.  They should.  If a small business cannot compete they should be gone.


 

Shame on you.


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Re: Bin Laden [Re: zzripz]
    #14425983 - 05/09/11 06:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Hey dude Zappa is turning in his grave knowing your using his image for your avatar!



I don't think you know anything about Frank Zappa.  He had no problem with making money and absolutely despised Marxist moron hippies.

Now then.  What is your problem with people making money and just what do you think I am ignorant of?




I was listening to Zappa most likely before you was born kiddo. My fave was Plastic People, hint hint

I am not even going to argue with you. It would like like tryin to tell a 10 year old virgin about sex. cant be done---even when they keeps askin

THIS thread is about Bin Laden. Stop tryin to derail it




I don't think so Homer.  I'm 54.  My favorite is Yo Mama.  Hint hint.


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Re: Bin Laden [Re: imachavel]
    #14425995 - 05/09/11 06:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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well without a good strong argument it's hard to make a case. my computer seems to be fritzing out. i'll be back later to argue with zappa, my favorite thing.



We do frolic some, don't we?


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Re: Bin Laden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14426902 - 05/09/11 09:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

See how the story evolves after it has been thoroughly sold and as the public loses interest: http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/09/osama-bin-laden-us-pakistan-deal?cat=world&type=article

The truth is coming a little closer into focus, but, really, who cares.  We accept being lied to and manipulated by the MIC because we love America.  We're #1!


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Re: Bin Laden [Re: Not Quite Social]
    #14428462 - 05/10/11 06:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

speak for yourself. obviously i am VERY interested in exposing the lying cheating gangsters and their propaganda. HOW can you live with yourself if you dont?

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Re: Bin Laden [Re: Not Quite Social]
    #14428825 - 05/10/11 08:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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See how the story evolves after it has been thoroughly sold and as the public loses interest: http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/09/osama-bin-laden-us-pakistan-deal?cat=world&type=article

The truth is coming a little closer into focus, but, really, who cares.  We accept being lied to and manipulated by the MIC because we love America.  We're #1!



Yeah I saw that.  Of course, neither Bush nor Musharraf is in office any more and it is the Guardian but I don't doubt that for a second.  Musharraf was a much better ally to us than the current incompetent asshole who can't even control his intelligence service.

What lie do you think that exposes?  What is the MIC?


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Re: Bin Laden [Re: zzripz]
    #14428834 - 05/10/11 08:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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zzripz said:
speak for yourself. obviously i am VERY interested in exposing the lying cheating gangsters and their propaganda. HOW can you live with yourself if you dont?



Well fucking get on it brave warrior.  So far you can't even answer simple questions about yourself.


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Re: Bin Laden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14429892 - 05/10/11 01:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

"What lie do you think that exposes?  What is the MIC?"

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The Guardian article claims to have it on authority of past and current US & Pakistani government officials that the Pakistan government agreed to lie to it's people in order to allow unilateral US military operations in their country, to avoid political repercussions of fighting al Qaeda and siding with the US.  The US participated in this lie to the extent that come 5/1/11 the current US President lied to the American people, saying the raid on OBL's "hideout" (that's yet another lie--obviously OBL was under house arrest a la A Q Kahn, et al) was without Pakistan's foreknowledge and consent.  What we have here, clearly, are two governments willing to lie to their people to further military and political ends.  --MIC is military industrial complex.


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Re: Bin Laden [Re: Not Quite Social]
    #14430009 - 05/10/11 02:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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"What lie do you think that exposes?  What is the MIC?"

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The Guardian article claims to have it on authority of past and current US & Pakistani government officials that the Pakistan government agreed to lie to it's people in order to allow unilateral US military operations in their country, to avoid political repercussions of fighting al Qaeda and siding with the US.  The US participated in this lie to the extent that come 5/1/11 the current US President lied to the American people, saying the raid on OBL's "hideout" (that's yet another lie--obviously OBL was under house arrest a la A Q Kahn, et al) was without Pakistan's foreknowledge and consent.  What we have here, clearly, are two governments willing to lie to their people to further military and political ends.  --MIC is military industrial complex.



All I see is that the Pakistan government maybe lies to its people and if they allow the operation how is it unilateral?  And no, ObL was not under house arrest by the Pakistani government:flowstone:.  I don't see any US lie to US people.  Let me enlighten you.  You are not privy to all the decisions made by the government.  For good reason.

How is anybody being manipulated by the MIC?  We have a military.  It is one of the few incontestably legitimate functions of the federal government.  No manipulation necessary.


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Re: Bin Laden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14430176 - 05/10/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Based on al Qaeda taking credit for Bhutto's assassination, based on the pattern of use of house arrest by Pakistan for high value political prisoners, based on the physical location and prison-like qualities and lack of amenities & luxuries of bin Laden's residence, based on the fact that the residence was located within a highly military controlled area, based on the Guardian article purporting that the Pakistani government conspired with the US government to obfuscate its motives and conduct, it is more rational than not to conclude that bin Laden was under house arrest, despite your simple assertion to the contrary; despite your argument so well supported by a silly deformed emoticon.


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Re: Bin Laden [Re: Not Quite Social]
    #14430233 - 05/10/11 03:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

WRT the MIC, The Constitution does not prescribe the use of deceit and the financial manipulation/exploitation of the two party system to perpetuate a military state on a constant war footing.


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Re: Bin Laden [Re: Not Quite Social]
    #14430321 - 05/10/11 03:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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WRT the MIC, The Constitution does not prescribe the use of deceit and the financial manipulation/exploitation of the two party system to perpetuate a military state on a constant war footing.



Nor does it forbid it.  Not that that is what is occurring.


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Re: Bin Laden [Re: Not Quite Social]
    #14430332 - 05/10/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Based on al Qaeda taking credit for Bhutto's assassination, based on the pattern of use of house arrest by Pakistan for high value political prisoners, based on the physical location and prison-like qualities and lack of amenities & luxuries of bin Laden's residence, based on the fact that the residence was located within a highly military controlled area, based on the Guardian article purporting that the Pakistani government conspired with the US government to obfuscate its motives and conduct, it is more rational than not to conclude that bin Laden was under house arrest, despite your simple assertion to the contrary; despite your argument so well supported by a silly deformed emoticon.




Based on the fact that most of what you wrote is irrelevant, untrue or unsupported by anything other than your fevered imagination I would suggest that your post is more suited for the conspiracies and nutlogs forum.


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Re: Bin Laden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14430572 - 05/10/11 04:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

First of all, what are you arguing, that The Constitution does not explicitly forbid deceit & bribery, therefore you have no particular point to make ... ???

And what else? I'm a conspiracy theorist nutjob--that's your argument?  That's really weak.  Well, if you can't hold up your side of the argument, then I accept your kiss-off.  I thought you could do better though.


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Re: Bin Laden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14430577 - 05/10/11 04:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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See how the story evolves after it has been thoroughly sold and as the public loses interest: http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/09/osama-bin-laden-us-pakistan-deal?cat=world&type=article

The truth is coming a little closer into focus, but, really, who cares.  We accept being lied to and manipulated by the MIC because we love America.  We're #1!



Yeah I saw that.  Of course, neither Bush nor Musharraf is in office any more and it is the Guardian but I don't doubt that for a second.  Musharraf was a much better ally to us than the current incompetent asshole who can't even control his intelligence service.

What lie do you think that exposes?  What is the MIC?




What....is the MIC???:sherlock: LOL
errrm it begins with military...?

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Re: Bin Laden [Re: zzripz]
    #14430796 - 05/10/11 05:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

> What....is the MIC???

Military–industrial complex


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Re: Bin Laden [Re: Not Quite Social]
    #14431180 - 05/10/11 06:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Excuse the fuck out of me if I am not clued in to the jingoistic moron vocab.  And no, the Constitution has nothing to say about what the Pakistani government should do.  Neither does it command that the duly elected representatives of the 50 states tell you everything that they are doing.

And yes, I think you are a conspiracy theory nutjob if you think ObL was under house arrest with the full compliance and knowledge of the Pakistani government.  A particularly dumb one if that is what you believe.  What advantage would they gain by doing so?  Really, that has got to be the question asked for every nut case theory.  That isn't in their interest.  They are massively embarrassed that they didn't know.


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Re: Bin Laden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14431423 - 05/10/11 07:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

> What advantage would they gain by doing so?

The claim is that they were holding OBL because the US was giving Pakistan ~3 billion USD for help hunting for him.  If the US actually found OBL, then the US would cut the funding to Pakistan because... umm... well... uh... hmm...  :tinfoil:


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Re: Bin Laden [Re: Seuss]
    #14431577 - 05/10/11 07:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Also, I've heard another reason... to use Al Qeada to hold India at bay, fending them off from invading over their borders.  :shrug:

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