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Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? * 1
    #14423963 - 05/09/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I've noticed a trend on these boards (i'll be honest, mainly from decypher :lol:) that believing in an afterlife or reincarnation is potentially harmful because it removes an imperative to accomplish things in this life.  I don't think this is true.

For one thing, you're gonna want to accomplish stuff on a daily basis just for the sheer sake of feeling good about yourself in the moment, having balanced energy, and just living a good life now, and metaphysical beliefs don't really have anything to do with that.

Also, belief in reincarnation might effect how you use your time, and for the better.  Ask yourself this: if you knew for a 100% fact that your soul will live forever, would that change how you use your time? Would you maybe wanna develop other skills?  If this life is all i have, maybe I should just suck it up and get a business degree.  But if I live forever, I'd better start practicing guitar NOW, know what i mean? I wanna be jimi hendrix status in no less than 2 lives :cool: And hey, maybe you wanna be a cosmic business man, nothing wrong with that

And finally, sometimes to get a lot of shit done, people think you have to get all hyped up and excited and nervous, moving quickly and decisively. That's not true though, you can go about your business calmly and fluidly without getting too worked up.  The reason i say that is because i think reincarnational beliefs lead to a more relaxed view of life, which is in no way correlative with a lazy life, at least not necessarily.

This isn't an argument for the logic of reincarnation, just a discussion of the merits of a belief in it, although if you wanna talk about the logic go for it homie.  Post your thoughts!


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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? *DELETED* [Re: g00ru]
    #14424025 - 05/09/11 11:01 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: mikehauncho]
    #14424338 - 05/09/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Believing in the afterlife I find it to be a coping method for some people.


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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: g00ru]
    #14424552 - 05/09/11 01:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh?




I don't care.
Thats because its not the beliefs that are detrimental but the concern building them. 
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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: TheCreampie]
    #14424556 - 05/09/11 01:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Believing in the afterlife I find it to be a coping method for some people.




Similarly, I feel most people who don't believe in something after death haven't really pondered the issue. I was driving through the Lincoln tunnel yesterday and was imagining the tunnel collapsing around me. I realized how unprepared I am to die. I believe there is something else, but it really isn't much consolation.

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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14424679 - 05/09/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I consider a belief in the afterlife a defeat. I also consider disbelief in an afterlife a defeat.


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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: Kickle]
    #14424807 - 05/09/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

As guruu points out, having faith in an afterlife of some sort can in a way free up your life to really pursue what you want to do - what you want to get out of this life. It opens up a perspective to a grander picture.

I'd take this belief over a belief that has me live a solely hedonistic, narcissistic life. I'm not saying that a disbelief in an afterlife always comes coupled with this mindset, but probably more so than one who believes in reincarnation or astral locals.

My own personal knowing that there is something else, from my personal non-physical experiences, has given me a degree of freedom in life.

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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14425299 - 05/09/11 03:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What I really want to do is pursue truth so settling on belief or disbelief is defeating myself.


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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14425469 - 05/09/11 04:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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TheCreampie said:
Believing in the afterlife I find it to be a coping method for some people.




Similarly, I feel most people who don't believe in something after death haven't really pondered the issue. I was driving through the Lincoln tunnel yesterday and was imagining the tunnel collapsing around me. I realized how unprepared I am to die. I believe there is something else, but it really isn't much consolation.



This is exactly how I feel. I find myself arrogantly dismissing death as nothing because of it's inevitability. But I have many dreams where I'm in a near death situation and the fear is overwhelming. When it comes to accepting your demise it's a lot easier said than done, but I guess that can be said about pretty much anything.


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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: Kickle]
    #14425533 - 05/09/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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What I really want to do is pursue truth so settling on belief or disbelief is defeating myself.




So you believe truth exists ?
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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: auxiliary]
    #14425543 - 05/09/11 04:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yay.

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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: jivJaN]
    #14425563 - 05/09/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Kickle said:
What I really want to do is pursue truth so settling on belief or disbelief is defeating myself.




So you believe truth exists ?
:bigjoint:




not really but in the absence of settling what is there to do but explore? In the end I'd rather explore and setting an unattainable goal can be useful for that.


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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: Kickle]
    #14425628 - 05/09/11 05:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

as i've become more aware of the truth of my own self, in more and more respects, the idea of an astral plane becomes more and more probable to me. and this goes along with positive changes in my life.  when i held the position of non-belief, i think i didn't know what i wanted out of life as much as i do now. belief in multiple lives really does help me put my life in some sort of perspective, like cosmonaut said.


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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: g00ru]
    #14425953 - 05/09/11 05:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think that's cool. I also don't think it's any kind of rule about belief.

I held some very strong unconscious beliefs that did a lot of good as well as a lot of harm. Overall I've been much better off without them. Stress levels down across the board. One advantage of neither believing nor disbelieving is that neither of those opinions automatically set you on the defensive.


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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: Kickle] * 1
    #14426002 - 05/09/11 06:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

believe it if you need it if you don't just pass it on...ah grateful dead so wise


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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: g00ru]
    #14426103 - 05/09/11 06:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

right on


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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: Kickle]
    #14427270 - 05/09/11 10:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think it would have an awesome impact on the world if we could somehow prove the process of reincarnation to be scientifically correct.  Think about it.

If people KNEW that they were going to reincarnate back onto this Earth, they might treat it a little better  :nono:

If people KNEW that it was possible to reincarnate as an animal, they might start caring a little more about animal rights and issues of animal cruelty.

Who wants to come back as a fuckin' cow 300 years from now struggling to breathe its whole life in a horribly polluted atmosphere on a nearly barren landscape, only to live until you are just the right size to be tortured and slaughtered alive, and then eaten by a futuristic race of mutant freaks?

Not me.  IMO we create a heaven or hell on this planet, and we reincarnate back into it the way we left it.

This is where I feel certain beliefs of Christianity can actually be detrimental to the health of the environment.


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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: g00ru]
    #14429486 - 05/10/11 11:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Cool thread.  :lol:  Like you mention, I do believe that belief in an afterlife is detrimental to one's happiness.  Here's my argument:

If you believe in an afterlife, you most likely believe that what you do in this life will affect what sort of afterlife you go to.  In the case of religions like Christianity, this instills a great amount of fear into the believer: if you sin by not following certain rules and precepts, then something greatly unpleasant will befall you after death, whether it be burning in a lake of fire for all of eternity or just being disconnected from the Source/God.  As a result the believer tends to live their life in perpetual worry of doing the wrong thing and, in addition, is unable to potentially improve their happiness by disobeying certain rules and precepts (sex before marriage or abortion, for example).  The same thing applies for believers in reincarnation: one lives in fear of being reincarnated into a lesser form of life based on one's actions in the here and now.

Not only this, but belief in an afterlife seems to take away the importance of this one: this life is seen only as a waiting room for all the really cool things that'll happen after you die, be it sex with seventy-two virgins or blissful life-everlasting spent singing with the angels.  If it weren't for the fact that most religions forbid suicide, there would be no reason for the believer not to kill themselves right now in order to escape this suffering-filled world into something unimaginably better.

Finally, consider this: isn't it better to behave as if this is our only life?  If we're wrong, then we get the chance to do it over again in the next.  If we're right, then we made the best use of our time and didn't waste all the short years of our life molding our behavior for imaginary future rewards.


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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: deCypher]
    #14429522 - 05/10/11 12:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Sometimes the act of considering this our only life when it isn't what we want to be is psychologically damaging. Wouldn't a mental escape that prevents this reality from truly hitting home be a nice way to prevent some depression?


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Re: Belief in the Afterlife is detrimental...yay or neigh? [Re: Kickle]
    #14429559 - 05/10/11 12:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Although that may provide some form of happiness, I believe one would be truly happier if one learns to accept reality as it is.  Isn't part of emotional maturity learning to come to grips with the facts as they are?

All of this is rather moot though, IMO: it's not like the typical person sits down and chooses to believe in the existence/non-existence of an afterlife based on the consequences of the belief.  Rather, they usually come to the table with a preconceived, intuitive notion of its existence/non-existence and only change this notion when confronted with evidence for or against it.


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