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Agaricus cures diseases and cancer
#14423541 - 05/09/11 08:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cancer is not a joke. It is a very serious disease. But what if you could cure it? Or even prevent it? Well, there are a lot of syntectic drugs on the market that fight cancer. Unfortunately they have a lot of down sides as well. They make you very sick a lot of times. That's why the following discovery is so important.
It has been proved that mushrooms (specially Agaricus) contain a lot of carbohydrates and polysaccharides that help fight and prevent cancer. Tests on mice have proved that the ergosterol in the Agaricus mushrooms significantly slow down the tumor growth. This could lead to an alternative for chemotherapy. After 20 days of treatment none of the mice suffered any of the typical side effects of chemotherapy.
White button mushrooms (Agaricus bisporus) are part of the genus Agaricus and also do contain these compounds.
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Great stuff! The word should indeed be spread, the more people that start to realize that conserving all of biodiversity, not only the fluffy and good-looking one's, is in our own interest, the better.
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Re: Agaricus cures diseases and cancer [Re: taman]
#14424217 - 05/09/11 11:43 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Post it on your Facebook wall or Tweet about it. Let people know! I think this is very important information that should not be neglected.
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In GGMM Stamet's talks about Agaricus species being linked to an increase in cancer risk. I forget all the reasons. Is that info out of date? It seemed kind of weird to me but I'm no biologist.
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It might prove handy if you'd be able to provide me with the correct details. But as far as I'm concerned, I think this article is right. GGMM is dated from 2000, and this research was just published. So I think Mr. Stamets information is outdated.
Although I'm not sure, so I'd be glad if anyone could prove me wrong (or right).
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I'm at work and don't have the text on me. I'll check it out when i get home.
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Please do. Thank you very much!
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From GGMM Page 221-223:
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" Medicinal Properties: This mushroom contains compounds that inhibit the enzyme aromatase. Aromatase is associated with tumor growth. Compounds inhibiting aromatase have potential for the treatment or prevention of breast cancer(Bankhead,1999). A diet of mushrooms in mice with implanted tumors showed a decrease in aromatase as mushroom consumption increased. HOWEVER Agaricus brunnescens contains hydrazines, carcinogenic compounds that have been thought to dissipate only from prolonged, high temperature heating. More then 80% of known hydrazines are carcinogenic."
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" Eating this mushroom raw, especially with free radical inducing foods, is definitely not recommended, and yet upto 80% of all button mushrooms consumed are eaten uncooked. I am disturbed that the most commonly cultivated mushroom in the world has few studies authenticating its beneficial medicinal properties, in stark contrast to the numerous studies on Shiitake, Maitake, reishi, Yun Zhi, and others."
There is about 1 and a half pages or so of information on this topic in GGMM, citing more studies and getting a bit deeper into the topic.
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MushroomPalace, I wish you found a better way to advertise your site. Your writeup you link to is making false claims and just playing with the fear to get sick.
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EvilMushroom666 said: From GGMM Page 221-223:
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" Medicinal Properties: This mushroom contains compounds that inhibit the enzyme aromatase. Aromatase is associated with tumor growth. Compounds inhibiting aromatase have potential for the treatment or prevention of breast cancer(Bankhead,1999). A diet of mushrooms in mice with implanted tumors showed a decrease in aromatase as mushroom consumption increased. HOWEVER Agaricus brunnescens contains hydrazines, carcinogenic compounds that have been thought to dissipate only from prolonged, high temperature heating. More then 80% of known hydrazines are carcinogenic."
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" Eating this mushroom raw, especially with free radical inducing foods, is definitely not recommended, and yet upto 80% of all button mushrooms consumed are eaten uncooked. I am disturbed that the most commonly cultivated mushroom in the world has few studies authenticating its beneficial medicinal properties, in stark contrast to the numerous studies on Shiitake, Maitake, reishi, Yun Zhi, and others."
There is about 1 and a half pages or so of information on this topic in GGMM, citing more studies and getting a bit deeper into the topic.
Thank you very much kind person! I find it interesting because Agaricus also contains Ergosterol which stops the formation of blood vessels. And this causes to stop and even reverse the growth of the tumor.
I thank you very much for this information. I want to know more so I'll look for the book one of these days.
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Re: Agaricus cures diseases and cancer [Re: Mycelio]
#14424698 - 05/09/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mycelio said: MushroomPalace, I wish you found a better way to advertise your site. Your writeup you link to is making false claims and just playing with the fear to get sick.
This isn't true. We just want to inform people about the positive effects mushrooms have on our bodies and the potential power they have.
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EvilMushroom666 said: From GGMM Page 221-223:
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" Medicinal Properties: This mushroom contains compounds that inhibit the enzyme aromatase. Aromatase is associated with tumor growth. Compounds inhibiting aromatase have potential for the treatment or prevention of breast cancer(Bankhead,1999). A diet of mushrooms in mice with implanted tumors showed a decrease in aromatase as mushroom consumption increased. HOWEVER Agaricus brunnescens contains hydrazines, carcinogenic compounds that have been thought to dissipate only from prolonged, high temperature heating. More then 80% of known hydrazines are carcinogenic."
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" Eating this mushroom raw, especially with free radical inducing foods, is definitely not recommended, and yet upto 80% of all button mushrooms consumed are eaten uncooked. I am disturbed that the most commonly cultivated mushroom in the world has few studies authenticating its beneficial medicinal properties, in stark contrast to the numerous studies on Shiitake, Maitake, reishi, Yun Zhi, and others."
There is about 1 and a half pages or so of information on this topic in GGMM, citing more studies and getting a bit deeper into the topic.
But I notice you mentioned Agaricus brunnescens. The study in this article is on Agaricus Blazei. Maybe that's the difference. Could be that Blazei doesn't have hydrazines. And a quick sidenote: the carcinogenic effects of hydrazines aren't proved.
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The study was on Agaricus Blazei... not on Agaricus Bisporus. Apples and oranges in my opinion. I do believe in the medicinal value of certain mushrooms- I'm just saying that you shouldn't assume mushrooms in the same genus have the same medicinal value. I've not read that button mushrooms have proven to be cancer fighting, whereas, there are many studies on shitake, reishi, etc., that I can point to.
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Re: Agaricus cures diseases and cancer [Re: curry]
#14427853 - 05/10/11 01:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Absolutely right, Agaricus blazei is much much more beneficial than Agaricus bisporus. A world of difference.
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Re: Agaricus cures diseases and cancer [Re: Flowing]
#14428397 - 05/10/11 06:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I do realize the study is on a different mushroom, I was just posting some interesting information that related somewhat to the topic at hand for those who may not have read GGMM. Take it or leave it, I just find it interesting that the most popular mushroom in North America could possibly cause cancer when eaten raw, with free radical inducing foods in large amounts. More studies need to be done, and as far as I know have not been.
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Just to get things straight, that stuff why you shouldn't eat them raw is called agaritine. In our body it gets broken down to some kind of hydrazine and hydrazines are known to be highly toxic and cancerogenous for decades. Fortunately most of them can be destroyed by cooking. Red staining agaricus species (including A. bisporus/brunnescens) do not contain much, but yellow staining ones (incl. A. brasiliensis/blazei/subrufescens, A. augustus, etc.) do. These ones are also known to take up all available heavy metals from their substrate, accumulating them in the fruitbodies.
Regarding cancer, it's just wrong to say Agaricus mushrooms would fight it. There are a few species from this genus, which can boost your immune system. This may be helpful against some types of cancer, with other types, where you need to suppress your immune reaction, eating A. brasiliensis would be the worst you can do.
There are a lot of published studies, though regarding cancer, most have been done with animals like mice, rats and guinea pigs.
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Re: Agaricus cures diseases and cancer [Re: Mycelio]
#14428647 - 05/10/11 07:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for clearing things up Mycelio.
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Re: Agaricus cures diseases and cancer [Re: curry]
#14428839 - 05/10/11 08:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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curry said: The study was on Agaricus Blazei... not on Agaricus Bisporus. Apples and oranges in my opinion. I do believe in the medicinal value of certain mushrooms- I'm just saying that you shouldn't assume mushrooms in the same genus have the same medicinal value. I've not read that button mushrooms have proven to be cancer fighting, whereas, there are many studies on shitake, reishi, etc., that I can point to.
I never stated anywhere that bisporus has the same effects as blazei. Reread the sentence please: White button mushrooms (Agaricus bisporus) are part of the genus Agaricus and also do contain these compounds. And with compounds I am talking about to polysaccharides and carbohydrates. I don't know if they contain ergosterol, but it is proved that they trigger our immune system and have a positive effect on our health. I just wanted to add this to the article to make clear that even the most commonly used mushrooms contain very beneficial compounds for our bodies. That's all.
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Re: Agaricus cures diseases and cancer [Re: curry]
#14428858 - 05/10/11 08:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Looked it up for you:
This article investigated the mycochemical profiles and the antioxidant activities of the lipophilic extracts of the white and brown button mushrooms. We found that only free ergosterols were present in both mushrooms at 2.04−4.82 mg/g dry matter (DM). Ergosterol concentration was higher in early growth stages but decreased as the mushrooms grew, and it distributed evenly between the caps and stems during early developmental stages but accumulated more in the caps after maturation.
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Re: Agaricus cures diseases and cancer [Re: Mycelio]
#14428908 - 05/10/11 09:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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So I can assume that red staining agarics DO NOT accumulate heavy metals in their fruit bodies?
I've never been fond of consuming mushrooms picked close to busy roads, pretty much because of the worry of heavy metals.
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Re: Agaricus cures diseases and cancer [Re: NSF]
#14428997 - 05/10/11 09:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, heavy metal uptake by the mycelium is linked to an enzyme, that only the yellow staining species produce. Its main purpose must be to catch ions of other metals, but unfortunately it works extremely well with cadmium and arsenic. Wild mushrooms of these species were found to contain up to 300 times the amount of heavy metals found in the surrounding soil, so I would not recommend to eat them often. Cultivated mushrooms have much less substrate to collect metal ions from, so the levels should not be more than 10 times above normal.
Read staining species should be pretty safe, considering one avoids collecting them from polluted spots.
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Re: Agaricus cures diseases and cancer [Re: Mycelio]
#14430725 - 05/10/11 04:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey Mushroompalace... I appreciate you getting the word out about the benefit of mushrooms. Please don't get me wrong, I'm a brother in mushrooms. But the write-up entitled "Mushrooms against cancer" has a photo immediately below the title, of button mushrooms. Maybe that photo could be changed to one of blazei- or even mention shitake or others that have so much research to back it up. If people believe that they can get the same cancer fighting benefit from button mushrooms as say, shitake, then they are misinformed. I wish there were better studies performed on ALL species of mushrooms, but until then we have to stick to information that we are confident about.
Again, thanks for your info and getting the word out.
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Re: Agaricus cures diseases and cancer [Re: Mycelio]
#14430765 - 05/10/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mycelio said: Just to get things straight, that stuff why you shouldn't eat them raw is called agaritine. In our body it gets broken down to some kind of hydrazine and hydrazines are known to be highly toxic and cancerogenous for decades. Fortunately most of them can be destroyed by cooking. Red staining agaricus species (including A. bisporus/brunnescens) do not contain much, but yellow staining ones (incl. A. brasiliensis/blazei/subrufescens, A. augustus, etc.) do. These ones are also known to take up all available heavy metals from their substrate, accumulating them in the fruitbodies.
Regarding cancer, it's just wrong to say Agaricus mushrooms would fight it. There are a few species from this genus, which can boost your immune system. This may be helpful against some types of cancer, with other types, where you need to suppress your immune reaction, eating A. brasiliensis would be the worst you can do.
There are a lot of published studies, though regarding cancer, most have been done with animals like mice, rats and guinea pigs.
Carsten
This was a very good read.
I'm usually all for taking herbals directly but it should be noted that although "X" cancer-fighting compound may be found in Y mushroom, it's important to know at what mg/kg levels these compounds are active and have the desired results. It may be the case that button mushrooms or reishi or whatever need to be heavily concentrated into a tincture in order for the medicines to be effective, and even then it's important to know if you should be imbibing/applying (topically) these tinctures in 5, 20 or 50 ml quantities.
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Re: Agaricus cures diseases and cancer [Re: curry]
#14433546 - 05/11/11 06:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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curry said: Hey Mushroompalace... I appreciate you getting the word out about the benefit of mushrooms. Please don't get me wrong, I'm a brother in mushrooms. But the write-up entitled "Mushrooms against cancer" has a photo immediately below the title, of button mushrooms. Maybe that photo could be changed to one of blazei- or even mention shitake or others that have so much research to back it up. If people believe that they can get the same cancer fighting benefit from button mushrooms as say, shitake, then they are misinformed. I wish there were better studies performed on ALL species of mushrooms, but until then we have to stick to information that we are confident about.
Again, thanks for your info and getting the word out.
So, for anyone interested, I did the full comparison between Agaricus blazei and white and brown button mushrooms. Ergosterol is the compound that was studied against the tumors. Scientists think that ergosterol reduces formation of blood vessels to the tumor and therefor reducing its size and even killing it. This test worked with sarcoma 180-bearing mice. They didn't show any of the symptoms of traditional chemotherapy.
Here are some pictures to prove my point:
  No, I looked up how much ergosterol is these three mushrooms: Agaricus blazei: 2.4 mg per gram White button mushrooms: 2.04 mg per gram Brown button mushrooms: 4.82 mg per gram Extraction with chloroform/methanol The extraction of Blazei and the buttons was done by 2 different people, but I think that the results are reliable. And the results are just stunning: Brown Button mushrooms could be better to fight tumor cells than blazei! I find this unbelievable!
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Re: Agaricus cures diseases and cancer [Re: curry]
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curry said: Hey Mushroompalace... I appreciate you getting the word out about the benefit of mushrooms. Please don't get me wrong, I'm a brother in mushrooms. But the write-up entitled "Mushrooms against cancer" has a photo immediately below the title, of button mushrooms. Maybe that photo could be changed to one of blazei- or even mention shitake or others that have so much research to back it up. If people believe that they can get the same cancer fighting benefit from button mushrooms as say, shitake, then they are misinformed. I wish there were better studies performed on ALL species of mushrooms, but until then we have to stick to information that we are confident about.
Again, thanks for your info and getting the word out.
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curry said: Hey Mushroompalace... I appreciate you getting the word out about the benefit of mushrooms. Please don't get me wrong, I'm a brother in mushrooms. But the write-up entitled "Mushrooms against cancer" has a photo immediately below the title, of button mushrooms. Maybe that photo could be changed to one of blazei- or even mention shitake or others that have so much research to back it up. If people believe that they can get the same cancer fighting benefit from button mushrooms as say, shitake, then they are misinformed. I wish there were better studies performed on ALL species of mushrooms, but until then we have to stick to information that we are confident about.
Again, thanks for your info and getting the word out.
I edited the picture
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Possibly, but all mushrooms contain ergosterol and you will find high levels in many species. As the ergosterol content varies a lot with different substrates, mushroom strains and culture conditions, one would need to analyse hundreds of samples from different sources to make such a claim.
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You might want to clean up the article on your site. It confuses genus with species repeatedly. It's also full of misspelled words such as 'there' instead of 'their' and others.
I had to edit your original post after receiving numerous complaints about the link and content. Shroomery policy is not to allow links to non-vendor sites offering what our sponsors sell. RR
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Re: Agaricus cures diseases and cancer [Re: Mycelio]
#14433647 - 05/11/11 07:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mycelio said: Possibly, but all mushrooms contain ergosterol and you will find high levels in many species. As the ergosterol content varies a lot with different substrates, mushroom strains and culture conditions, one would need to analyse hundreds of samples from different sources to make such a claim.
Carsten
true, but the research on the button mushrooms was specifically to look for the ergosterol and it was done by Guelph Food Research Centre, Agriculture & Agri-Food Canada. So I think that this is a very reliable source. I believe that they took commercially grown mushrooms. And correct me if I'm wrong but I believe almost all button mushroom farms grow on a mix of compost and straw...
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Re: Agaricus cures diseases and cancer [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14433651 - 05/11/11 07:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: You might want to clean up the article on your site. It confuses genus with species repeatedly. It's also full of misspelled words such as 'there' instead of 'their' and others.
I had to edit your original post after receiving numerous complaints about the link and content. Shroomery policy is not to allow links to non-vendor sites offering what our sponsors sell. RR
RR, the article isn't mine. I believe I can't edit it because of copyrights...
Although that I don't sell anything. My website is purely informational. So I'm kind of upset about the link removal.
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