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Mycelio
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Re: Agaricus cures diseases and cancer [Re: NSF]
#14428997 - 05/10/11 09:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, heavy metal uptake by the mycelium is linked to an enzyme, that only the yellow staining species produce. Its main purpose must be to catch ions of other metals, but unfortunately it works extremely well with cadmium and arsenic. Wild mushrooms of these species were found to contain up to 300 times the amount of heavy metals found in the surrounding soil, so I would not recommend to eat them often. Cultivated mushrooms have much less substrate to collect metal ions from, so the levels should not be more than 10 times above normal.
Read staining species should be pretty safe, considering one avoids collecting them from polluted spots.
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Re: Agaricus cures diseases and cancer [Re: Mycelio]
#14430725 - 05/10/11 04:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey Mushroompalace... I appreciate you getting the word out about the benefit of mushrooms. Please don't get me wrong, I'm a brother in mushrooms. But the write-up entitled "Mushrooms against cancer" has a photo immediately below the title, of button mushrooms. Maybe that photo could be changed to one of blazei- or even mention shitake or others that have so much research to back it up. If people believe that they can get the same cancer fighting benefit from button mushrooms as say, shitake, then they are misinformed. I wish there were better studies performed on ALL species of mushrooms, but until then we have to stick to information that we are confident about.
Again, thanks for your info and getting the word out.
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Re: Agaricus cures diseases and cancer [Re: Mycelio]
#14430765 - 05/10/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mycelio said: Just to get things straight, that stuff why you shouldn't eat them raw is called agaritine. In our body it gets broken down to some kind of hydrazine and hydrazines are known to be highly toxic and cancerogenous for decades. Fortunately most of them can be destroyed by cooking. Red staining agaricus species (including A. bisporus/brunnescens) do not contain much, but yellow staining ones (incl. A. brasiliensis/blazei/subrufescens, A. augustus, etc.) do. These ones are also known to take up all available heavy metals from their substrate, accumulating them in the fruitbodies.
Regarding cancer, it's just wrong to say Agaricus mushrooms would fight it. There are a few species from this genus, which can boost your immune system. This may be helpful against some types of cancer, with other types, where you need to suppress your immune reaction, eating A. brasiliensis would be the worst you can do.
There are a lot of published studies, though regarding cancer, most have been done with animals like mice, rats and guinea pigs.
Carsten
This was a very good read.
I'm usually all for taking herbals directly but it should be noted that although "X" cancer-fighting compound may be found in Y mushroom, it's important to know at what mg/kg levels these compounds are active and have the desired results. It may be the case that button mushrooms or reishi or whatever need to be heavily concentrated into a tincture in order for the medicines to be effective, and even then it's important to know if you should be imbibing/applying (topically) these tinctures in 5, 20 or 50 ml quantities.
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Re: Agaricus cures diseases and cancer [Re: curry]
#14433546 - 05/11/11 06:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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curry said: Hey Mushroompalace... I appreciate you getting the word out about the benefit of mushrooms. Please don't get me wrong, I'm a brother in mushrooms. But the write-up entitled "Mushrooms against cancer" has a photo immediately below the title, of button mushrooms. Maybe that photo could be changed to one of blazei- or even mention shitake or others that have so much research to back it up. If people believe that they can get the same cancer fighting benefit from button mushrooms as say, shitake, then they are misinformed. I wish there were better studies performed on ALL species of mushrooms, but until then we have to stick to information that we are confident about.
Again, thanks for your info and getting the word out.
So, for anyone interested, I did the full comparison between Agaricus blazei and white and brown button mushrooms. Ergosterol is the compound that was studied against the tumors. Scientists think that ergosterol reduces formation of blood vessels to the tumor and therefor reducing its size and even killing it. This test worked with sarcoma 180-bearing mice. They didn't show any of the symptoms of traditional chemotherapy.
Here are some pictures to prove my point:
  No, I looked up how much ergosterol is these three mushrooms: Agaricus blazei: 2.4 mg per gram White button mushrooms: 2.04 mg per gram Brown button mushrooms: 4.82 mg per gram Extraction with chloroform/methanol The extraction of Blazei and the buttons was done by 2 different people, but I think that the results are reliable. And the results are just stunning: Brown Button mushrooms could be better to fight tumor cells than blazei! I find this unbelievable!
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Re: Agaricus cures diseases and cancer [Re: curry]
#14433620 - 05/11/11 06:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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curry said: Hey Mushroompalace... I appreciate you getting the word out about the benefit of mushrooms. Please don't get me wrong, I'm a brother in mushrooms. But the write-up entitled "Mushrooms against cancer" has a photo immediately below the title, of button mushrooms. Maybe that photo could be changed to one of blazei- or even mention shitake or others that have so much research to back it up. If people believe that they can get the same cancer fighting benefit from button mushrooms as say, shitake, then they are misinformed. I wish there were better studies performed on ALL species of mushrooms, but until then we have to stick to information that we are confident about.
Again, thanks for your info and getting the word out.
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curry said: Hey Mushroompalace... I appreciate you getting the word out about the benefit of mushrooms. Please don't get me wrong, I'm a brother in mushrooms. But the write-up entitled "Mushrooms against cancer" has a photo immediately below the title, of button mushrooms. Maybe that photo could be changed to one of blazei- or even mention shitake or others that have so much research to back it up. If people believe that they can get the same cancer fighting benefit from button mushrooms as say, shitake, then they are misinformed. I wish there were better studies performed on ALL species of mushrooms, but until then we have to stick to information that we are confident about.
Again, thanks for your info and getting the word out.
I edited the picture
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Possibly, but all mushrooms contain ergosterol and you will find high levels in many species. As the ergosterol content varies a lot with different substrates, mushroom strains and culture conditions, one would need to analyse hundreds of samples from different sources to make such a claim.
Carsten
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You might want to clean up the article on your site. It confuses genus with species repeatedly. It's also full of misspelled words such as 'there' instead of 'their' and others.
I had to edit your original post after receiving numerous complaints about the link and content. Shroomery policy is not to allow links to non-vendor sites offering what our sponsors sell. RR
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Re: Agaricus cures diseases and cancer [Re: Mycelio]
#14433647 - 05/11/11 07:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mycelio said: Possibly, but all mushrooms contain ergosterol and you will find high levels in many species. As the ergosterol content varies a lot with different substrates, mushroom strains and culture conditions, one would need to analyse hundreds of samples from different sources to make such a claim.
Carsten
true, but the research on the button mushrooms was specifically to look for the ergosterol and it was done by Guelph Food Research Centre, Agriculture & Agri-Food Canada. So I think that this is a very reliable source. I believe that they took commercially grown mushrooms. And correct me if I'm wrong but I believe almost all button mushroom farms grow on a mix of compost and straw...
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Re: Agaricus cures diseases and cancer [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14433651 - 05/11/11 07:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: You might want to clean up the article on your site. It confuses genus with species repeatedly. It's also full of misspelled words such as 'there' instead of 'their' and others.
I had to edit your original post after receiving numerous complaints about the link and content. Shroomery policy is not to allow links to non-vendor sites offering what our sponsors sell. RR
RR, the article isn't mine. I believe I can't edit it because of copyrights...
Although that I don't sell anything. My website is purely informational. So I'm kind of upset about the link removal.
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Edited by MushroomPalace (05/11/11 07:43 AM)
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