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lbeing789
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monotub accidental casing
#14406471 - 05/05/11 05:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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hi, I've recently created a monotub using a horse manure/verm/cubensis on grain substrate, unfortunately I made a mistake and cased the substrate upfront, I used a peat based substrate, I know this is way too early now.. but the case has fully colonised after 7 days, the top is evenly white... should I introduce this to fruiting conditions or should I recase? or is this a failed job? I'm curious because I have read that maybe the casing is unnecessary in the first place.. but I'm concerned that the fruiting triggers will be altered by casing too soon... any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: lbeing789]
#14406486 - 05/05/11 05:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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fruit that sum'bitch!
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Lucid_Euphoria
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Wait, don't fruit it if the substrate beneath the casing isn't colonized. If the whole thing is colonized, then by all means fruit it.
If not. Then I would keep it colonizing until the whole thing is done. The casing may overlay though, so I would "scratch" it with a sterilized fork or knife prior to introducing fruiting conditions.
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isnt overlay pretty rare?
i think you should make sure you have overlay before scratching your sub
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: ar1es]
#14421874 - 05/08/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have introduced the tub into fruiting conditions, I haven't scratched, but I can't tell whether the casing has an overlay or not... the peat is frosted all over, but no big chunks of white or anything... how can I tell whether there is an overlay or the casing just colonised?
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: lbeing789]
#14423130 - 05/09/11 04:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Overlay is not the same as full colonization of the casing layer. Overlay is when the casing layer has not only fully colonized, but the mycelium has matted up, forming what almost looks like a crust. Overlay is very rare. In all the trays I've ever made, I've never had it happen, so have no pictures. If you'll follow the basic casing teks, you won't get overlay.
Remember: A fully colonized casing layer means you either used too much coir in the mix or waited too long to initiate pinning. It is not overlay. RR
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: ar1es]
#14423131 - 05/09/11 04:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: ar1es]
#14427259 - 05/09/11 10:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I never said his shit had overlay. That would be impossible to tell without very good pictures.
I was simply pointing out that if the casing was fully colonized and the substrate wasn't, and he waited until the sub was fully colonized before fruiting, then by that time the casing MAY get overlay.
Yes overlay is rare.
It is also rare that a casing is fully colonized before the substrate is. Because people normally don't case until the substrate is fully colonized.
And scratching the casing prior to hyphal knotting wouldn't cause any problems.
To the OP: I would just wait it out and see if you get pins.
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Fruit it. This chatter is ignorant.
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: anonjon]
#14428602 - 05/10/11 07:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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anonjon said: Fruit it. This chatter is ignorant.
what is ignorant?
people trying to help the OP?
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: anonjon]
#14428738 - 05/10/11 08:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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anonjon said: Fruit it. This chatter is ignorant.
He's already fruited it numbnuts.
Maybe you should read the thread instead of trying to insult people who are giving constructive criticism.
Now who's the ignorant one.
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Lucid_Euphoria said: Now who's the ignorant one.
You. Duh. I didn't want to have to say it so directly, but since you press the issue...
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: anonjon]
#14429954 - 05/10/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lucid_Euphoria said: Wait, don't fruit it if the substrate beneath the casing isn't colonized. If the whole thing is colonized, then by all means fruit it.
If not. Then I would keep it colonizing until the whole thing is done. The casing may overlay though, so I would "scratch" it with a sterilized fork or knife prior to introducing fruiting conditions.
Lest I be accused of random flaming of noobs...this is what u said that lit up my retard alert.
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: anonjon]
#14430968 - 05/10/11 05:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm still having trouble recognising the casing colonised vs an overlay... it doesn't look overly colonised, but it could be, baring in mind the casing was there from day 1... it seems halfway there, I've fanned the tub, I'll keep you posted how pinning goes... I have attached a pic, sorry I couldn't get higher resolution, please bare in mind this is 5 days after fruiting.
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: lbeing789]
#14433702 - 05/11/11 07:37 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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anonjon said:
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Lucid_Euphoria said: Wait, don't fruit it if the substrate beneath the casing isn't colonized. If the whole thing is colonized, then by all means fruit it.
If not. Then I would keep it colonizing until the whole thing is done. The casing may overlay though, so I would "scratch" it with a sterilized fork or knife prior to introducing fruiting conditions.
Lest I be accused of random flaming of noobs...this is what u said that lit up my retard alert.
First of all, I'm no noob. I have years of experience in this hobby. Secondly, what is wrong with the statement you quoted? Please enlighten us with actual information, instead of just trolling this thread.
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lbeing789 said: I'm still having trouble recognising the casing colonised vs an overlay... it doesn't look overly colonised, but it could be, baring in mind the casing was there from day 1... it seems halfway there, I've fanned the tub, I'll keep you posted how pinning goes... I have attached a pic, sorry I couldn't get higher resolution, please bare in mind this is 5 days after fruiting.

The mycelium looks healthy and its definately not overlayed, it's not even fully colonized. Just let it go, you likely won't get a great flush but you should get something. Be patient with it, keep fanning and misting, it may take weeks before it fruits, just don't give up on it.
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lbeing789
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I noticed the first pin today also, just 1... do you think I should scratch after the first flush?
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: lbeing789]
#14434683 - 05/11/11 12:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Never ever scratch. Is that clear enuff?
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: anonjon]
#14435395 - 05/11/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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alright yeah, bare in mind there was a recommendation to scratch in this thread.
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: lbeing789]
#14436171 - 05/11/11 06:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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lbeing789 said: alright yeah, bare in mind there was a recommendation to scratch in this thread.
Yes but I'm right and he's wrong.
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Re: monotub accidental casing [Re: anonjon]
#14441597 - 05/12/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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lbeing789 said: alright yeah, bare in mind there was a recommendation to scratch in this thread.
Learn to read. The recommendation I made to scratch was if there was overlay.
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lbeing789 said: alright yeah, bare in mind there was a recommendation to scratch in this thread.
Yes but I'm right and he's wrong. 
No, I was right all along and you're just a troll who provides zero productive contributions to this thread as my point about 4 posts ago proves.
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