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Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other?
    #14420663 - 05/08/11 05:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hypothetical: Your pet chameleon had some grow op going that you didn't know about.  Suddenly the Man breaks down the door and agents swam your habitation.  They find the grow op and take samples so they can later grow them in a lab to prove conclusively that your pet chameleon was growing an illegal substance.

  My question is, if you had 30 seconds between hearing "Open up! Search Warrant!" and the door being busted down, what is the best way to use those 30 seconds to destroy your chameleon's grow op?

Take a stick, stir up the substrate, and throw a bottle of bleach or 90% alcohol into it?

I have seen that when alcohol comes into contact with mycelium, the myc degrades into a clear, gel-like consistency.  Would it be possible to render a tissue/dna sample from this degraded myc, and grow it in a lab?

So, what do you think-- what is the best way to destroy a grow up within 30 seconds, so that it would be very difficult or impossible for LE to take a viable sample?

I'm looking for non-violent solutions here (no fire), such as a chemical (alcohol, bleach).  What is best for destroying mycelium in a hurry?


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Hyphilion]
    #14420675 - 05/08/11 05:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

toilet i had to do this once dont ask dont tell:lolsy:


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Hyphilion]
    #14420685 - 05/08/11 05:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

alcahol and bleach definately WON'T work. I seriously doubt anything would save ya, in this situation. Maybe pure hydrochloric acid:shrug:but probably not even that.


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: SomeGuy]
    #14420736 - 05/08/11 05:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Set the house on fire
...if you're hardcore enough


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Wizzy]
    #14420885 - 05/08/11 06:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Wizzy said:
Set the house on fire
...if you're hardcore enough


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Wizzy]
    #14420898 - 05/08/11 06:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

lol y just get mushroom cultivation when you can get arson as well. btw you get multiple felony's with the arson. its good shit. Y dont you just eat it man???


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #14420911 - 05/08/11 06:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Squat over the tub and take a big shit in it.  When the police ask what it is just say its a litter box and you have a really big fuckin cat.  Meow


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: sporesmores420]
    #14420919 - 05/08/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

hes probly already busted by now:bobmarley:


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: JonnyLongboard]
    #14420928 - 05/08/11 06:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Squat over the tub and take a big shit in it.  When the police ask what it is just say its a litter box and you have a really big fuckin cat.  Meow






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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: punkrocker292004]
    #14420991 - 05/08/11 06:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Tell them you cummed in aquariums as an artistic statement about male ejaculation and you forgot to throw it out after you photographed it and it started to mold and mushrooms grow out of it and you should be on the news because your jizz makes ppl trip comeon officer


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: JonnyLongboard]
    #14421998 - 05/08/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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JonnyLongboard said:
Squat over the tub and take a big shit in it.  When the police ask what it is just say its a litter box and you have a really big fuckin cat.  Meow




Holy shit man! This is actually a great idea!!!  Lol!! I never thought about shitting onto my friend's chameleon's 50/50+ and making it look like a litter box! hahaha!  seriously though, this is a great idea.

I have been wondering-- what should my friend's pet chameleon keep on hand and nearby his op. so that it can be destroyed with just a moments notice.  Unfortunately, shits do not always come at the most opportune moments.  However, the chameleon could collect some cat shit, store it in a bag, and keep it on hand for when he would need to plant the cat poo on the surface of the substrate to make it look like a litter box.  this wouldn't work though if there is myc poking through or shrooms beginning to grow.

I suppose there are some industrial strength acids that are sold at hardware stores for unclogging drains though...


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Hyphilion]
    #14422027 - 05/08/11 09:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Hyphilion said:
Quote:

JonnyLongboard said:
Squat over the tub and take a big shit in it.  When the police ask what it is just say its a litter box and you have a really big fuckin cat.  Meow




Holy shit man! This is actually a great idea!!!  Lol!! I never thought about shitting onto my 50/50+ and making it look like a litter box! hahaha!  seriously though, this is a great idea.

I have been wondering-- what should my friend's pet chameleon keep on hand and nearby his op. so that it can be destroyed with just a moments notice.  Unfortunately, shits do not always come at the most opportune moments.  However, the chameleon could collect some cat shit, store it in a bag, and keep it on hand for when he would need to plant the cat poo on the surface of the substrate to make it look like a litter box.  this wouldn't work though if there is myc poking through or shrooms beginning to grow.

I suppose there are some industrial strength acids that are sold at hardware stores for unclogging drains though...





Also, when The Man comes knocking, and you only have 30 seconds... are you gonna be able to squeeze a shit out before they break down your door?  I'd be scared shitless, literally.  And I'd hate to be caught taking a shit in a box by a bunch of armed LE agents.


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Hyphilion]
    #14422037 - 05/08/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Certainly there are some very knowledgeable biologists/mycologists/chemists out there.  Come on guys, what would destroy mycelium in a hurry so that it can't be sequestered for growing a specimen in a lab?


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: JonnyLongboard]
    #14422041 - 05/08/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

JonnyLongboard said:
Squat over the tub and take a big shit in it.  When the police ask what it is just say its a litter box and you have a really big fuckin cat.  Meow


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14422079 - 05/08/11 09:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah seriously......Keep a couple 5 gallon pales of dog/human shit near your chambers......Then when they come in, dump all the shit in the tubs and throw the light across the room.....Can't imagine that they would think twice about going through it....They'de probably think your a sick mentally challenged weirdo


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14423226 - 05/09/11 06:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Get rid of the chameleon and get a dog.  My dog has smuggled blow in from South America once or twice, but would never consider growing shrooms behind my back.


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Trippy_Smurf]
    #14423453 - 05/09/11 07:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Just be stealthy and you shouldn't have to worry about it. If they make it to your house with a search warrant then you're just going to have to face your shit. They already caught you, they're just there for evidence and you at that point. Other than burning down your house or using some nasty chemicals basically hooked into some sort of a sprinkler system in your grow room there's no way you're going to be able to destroy everything. Don't hang out with snitches and definitely don't tell anyone what your "chameleon" is up to! If your place is feeling fuzzy then move the fuck out. I'd rather break a lease then face the man!!


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: shroomybgood] * 1
    #14423498 - 05/09/11 07:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Mycelium is extremely hard to fully kill with chemicals.  One it's fully colonized a substrate, any chemical you subject it to will likely just kill the outside layers before the man has time to get inside and save the rest of it.  By then you'd be charged for manufacture and tampering with evidence.

If they've got a warrant, there's a good chance they aren't going to wait very long after knocking before they drop your door down.  They'll also try to catch you at 3-4AM.


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Sillicybin]
    #14423511 - 05/09/11 07:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Concentrated 71% Nitric Acid
Concentrated 98% Sulfuric Acid

are the only 2 substances that come to mind that could be powerful enough to eat through the mycelial system in seconds.

Sulfuric and Nitric acids can eat through metals.


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Dave Bowman]
    #14423609 - 05/09/11 08:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

grow in a fireplace :laugh2:


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: NCC1701]
    #14423652 - 05/09/11 08:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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grow in a fireplace :laugh2:



Lucky for me I have a fire place. I have sat and made a plan for all disposal. I suggest if your worried about it you do the same. The thing is noone is allowed in my house or knows the things that go on inside, other then me and my wife. Just be smart about it and take extra precaution. And you will be ok.


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: NCC1701]
    #14423728 - 05/09/11 09:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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grow in a fireplace :laugh2:



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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: wire5]
    #14423793 - 05/09/11 09:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think you are pretty much fucked if they show up at your door no matter what. even if you had a magical chemical to destroy all the myc then all the other materials around would be enough for conspiracy. it isnt simply a matter of destroying myc to avoid being in a world of shit. just follow basic rules and you will be safe. don't ever tell anyone about what you do except for a seriously loyal gf or wife and a partner who helps you with the work. don't talk about it over the phone. use tor or some other program to hide your ip when you are on the shroomery or other sites. and just other common sense precautions.

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Concentrated 71% Nitric Acid
Concentrated 98% Sulfuric Acid




also not to nitpick but concentrated acid is concentrated lol. there is no such thing as concentrated 71% or 98% acid or anything for that matter. that is like saying pure 98%. it doesnt make sense. not trying to be a dick or anything just thought you would want to know so you dont make that mi


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: wire5]
    #14423800 - 05/09/11 09:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

i'd like to have a 'hopper', a big sink/toilet hybrid
they use in nursing homes to hose off soiled linens and
clothes. i'd bet it would flush a couple 6 qt shoeboxes
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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Fungal growth]
    #14423811 - 05/09/11 09:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

it seems people are overlooking one thing.

if OP is getting a search warrant on his place to be "raided"

chances are he has a lot more substrate than can be disposed of in 30 seconds.

no matter the means used.

tldr; if your growing one tray you arent getting raided.


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: k00laid]
    #14423903 - 05/09/11 10:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

These are all very good points.  Myc certainly seems very resistant and resilient.  Having a fireplace stocked with flammables sounds like the best idea... perhaps some 90% alcohol.  Soak that bitch and light 'er up.
"Oh, hello occifer.  Yes, just enjoying a nice summer bonfire in the living room."

The Chameleon definitely keeps things on the DL-- nothing over the phone.  Voice recognition technology these days is a bitch. 

I believe the lizard only has one small tub, but likes to be prepared in the event of emergencies.


Btw, to the poster just above this post, what does "tldr" stand for?
thx


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Hyphilion]
    #14423916 - 05/09/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

TLDR -- Too late, don't run?
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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Hyphilion]
    #14423931 - 05/09/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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They find the grow op and take samples so they can later grow them in a lab to prove conclusively that your pet chameleon was growing an illegal substance.






Yep, because that's how they do it.
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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: emf]
    #14423971 - 05/09/11 10:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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eat my fuck said:
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They find the grow op and take samples so they can later grow them in a lab to prove conclusively that your pet chameleon was growing an illegal substance.






Yep, because that's how they do it.
:facepalm:




Are you sarcastically implying that they do not have to grow their own samples in lab?  That is what I have read.  Have you read differently?  Please enlighten us :smile:


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Hyphilion]
    #14423986 - 05/09/11 10:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Hyphilion said:
Quote:

eat my fuck said:
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Hyphilion said:
They find the grow op and take samples so they can later grow them in a lab to prove conclusively that your pet chameleon was growing an illegal substance.






Yep, because that's how they do it.
:facepalm:




Are you sarcastically implying that they do not have to grow their own samples in lab?  That is what I have read.  Have you read differently?  Please enlighten us :smile:




I am most certainly implying that.
Goddamn, are you really fucking asking this?
I have a better idea, link us to the article that states "mushrooms must be first grown in a controlled lab before the suspect can be charged"

Goddamn, some people's underage children.


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: emf]
    #14424014 - 05/09/11 10:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Crumble and flush is your best bet. I had this paranoia a bit back too. Started getting ready every time I felt it was coming but then I realized growing magical things that put the ego to rest really makes that same ego pretty upset :-)


Have a bucket of water next to your toilet, when you hear the special knock, run to the toilet, break the cake up as quick as you can, flush. Pour bucket water, flush, pour again if needed and flush.


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: emf]
    #14424055 - 05/09/11 11:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

eat my fuck said:
Quote:

Hyphilion said:
Quote:

eat my fuck said:
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Hyphilion said:
They find the grow op and take samples so they can later grow them in a lab to prove conclusively that your pet chameleon was growing an illegal substance.






Yep, because that's how they do it.
:facepalm:




Are you sarcastically implying that they do not have to grow their own samples in lab?  That is what I have read.  Have you read differently?  Please enlighten us :smile:




I am most certainly implying that.
Goddamn, are you really fucking asking this?
I have a better idea, link us to the article that states "mushrooms must be first grown in a controlled lab before the suspect can be charged"

Goddamn, some people's underage children.




Yes, I am REALLY asking this.

Think about it my friend:
LE comes in. They take the op and destroy it.  What, you think they're gonna leave someone with a functioning op? No, they incinerate that mofo, but not before taking a sample.

Why? They need record that fruiting bodies were grown from the sample taken.  Once they have produced a fruit in a very clean lab with no chance of contamination by some other species, they can point to several ways to ID the specimen-- spore print color, gill color/structure perhaps, the blue bruising.

Think about it :smile:
And no one is being immature in this thread but you my friend.  If you don't want to have big boy conversations, please exit here.

I don't have the time right now to google around to find the article I am referring to, and expose myself to cyberverse.  Rather, I am hoping that someone who is familiar with this procedure will verify my claim.

And think before you post my friend, you'll appear the wiser.


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: OneU]
    #14424077 - 05/09/11 11:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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OneU said:
Crumble and flush is your best bet. I had this paranoia a bit back too. Started getting ready every time I felt it was coming but then I realized growing magical things that put the ego to rest really makes that same ego pretty upset :-)


Have a bucket of water next to your toilet, when you hear the special knock, run to the toilet, break the cake up as quick as you can, flush. Pour bucket water, flush, pour again if needed and flush.


Good vibes to you :mushroom2:




Thanks for the contributory thoughts amigo.
Hmm.. Toilet seems like a good fall back, especially if its just one tub.  However, it is not the 30 second solution I am looking for.  For example, an 18 L tub with 5" sub depth would require multiple [toilet] flushes.



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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Hyphilion]
    #14424092 - 05/09/11 11:14 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

They have established protocols for testing these things.  You are easily one of the dumbest people in the world if you think they are going to waste the time and money to grow the shit out when they can just test it.  They don't need fruiting bodies at all.  Mycelium is a live culture from the get go.

And of course they are not going to raid a grow op and then just leave it there.  Who said that?  Goddamn, are you 12?

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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Hyphilion]
    #14424109 - 05/09/11 11:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ok, I take that back, I did a couple quick google searches and found something relevant, Mr. "eat my fuck" (this alias is certainly the hallmark of a mature, enlightened individual)

source: http://www.mushroomjohn.org/newsdea1.htm
JANUARY 2005

SUSPECTED PSILOCYBE MUSHROOM SPORES IN DETROIT, MICHIGAN
The DEA North Central Laboratory (Chicago, Illinois) recently received three glass vials containing a clear solution, suspected Psilocybe mushroom spores in water. The exhibits were originally contained in three syringes, and were purchased in Detroit, Michigan by agents from the DEA Detroit Division (details withheld in accordance with Microgram policy). The total net weight and volume of the samples was 35.9 grams (40.0 milliliters).

A growth cycle was initiated for all three samples in order to determine whether or not Psilocybe mushrooms could be produced. A standard underground procedure was used (obtained from an Internet site; details withheld in accordance with Microgram policy). Mycelium growth was observed after about 3 weeks; however, only two small mushrooms grew (which were harvested after 78 days). Analysis of methanolic extracts of the two mushrooms by GC/MS indicated no controlled substances, suggesting that the mushrooms were not Psilocybe mushrooms. It is unclear whether the sale was a scam, or if the solution was contaminated during the transfer from the syringes to the vials, or if there was some other unknown problem with the solution or cultivation procedures. This is the first time that a mushroom grow has been performed at the North Central Laboratory. "


NOW, here we have the DEA growing mushrooms in a lab to verify whether or not the spores sampled were indeed those of an illegal strain.

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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: emf]
    #14424111 - 05/09/11 11:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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They have established protocols for testing these things.  You are easily one of the dumbest people in the world if you think they are going to waste the time and money to grow the shit out when they can just test it.  They don't need fruiting bodies at all.  Mycelium is a live culture from the get go.






What established protocols are you referring to?

You're making a claim without a source, when you expressly requested that I state a source for my claim? 

How about you do the same, my friend?  Find a source to back up your claim.


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: emf]
    #14424122 - 05/09/11 11:19 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

they wont grow out a sample of ur grow. they just put it in a machine and see if theres any illegal alkaloids.

mycelium containing psilocin or psilocybin = conspiracy to manufacture/in the process of manufacturing.


tldr; OP you cant really flush a monotub so there is really nothing you can do between the time they say open up and the time they see your grow.

and tldr; means too long didn't read.
they dont need to grow it out to see if its for sure.

that being said. they wont raid your apartment for 1 monotub.

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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Hyphilion]
    #14424142 - 05/09/11 11:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Yes, I am REALLY asking this.

Think about it my friend:
LE comes in. They take the op and destroy it.  What, you think they're gonna leave someone with a functioning op? No, they incinerate that mofo, but not before taking a sample.

Why? They need record that fruiting bodies were grown from the sample taken.  Once they have produced a fruit in a very clean lab with no chance of contamination by some other species, they can point to several ways to ID the specimen-- spore print color, gill color/structure perhaps, the blue bruising.

Think about it :smile:
And no one is being immature in this thread but you my friend.  If you don't want to have big boy conversations, please exit here.

I don't have the time right now to google around to find the article I am referring to, and expose myself to cyberverse.  Rather, I am hoping that someone who is familiar with this procedure will verify my claim.

And think before you post my friend, you'll appear the wiser.



well, i doubt our local p.d. has those kind of resources,
but i may be wrong. thats a LOT of money to spend to
bust anything less than a full on pounds per month
greenhouse setup. especially these days when they can barely
afford to pay the cops they have.
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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Hyphilion]
    #14424183 - 05/09/11 11:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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They have established protocols for testing these things.  You are easily one of the dumbest people in the world if you think they are going to waste the time and money to grow the shit out when they can just test it.  They don't need fruiting bodies at all.  Mycelium is a live culture from the get go.






What established protocols are you referring to?

You're making a claim without a source, when you expressly requested that I state a source for my claim? 

How about you do the same, my friend?  Find a source to back up your claim.




Established protocols such as basic testing procedures.  You don't need to cite a source to say that police departments across the country test drugs instead of growing them out first.  Goddamn, you are dumb.

Secondly, I don't give a fuck about DEA purchasing spores, which do not contain anything active and are legal in Illinois, and then growing mushrooms with them.  Completely irrelevant and another testament to your ineptitude. 

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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: emf]
    #14424212 - 05/09/11 11:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

This is getting way off topic. hyphilion, you are introducing completely irrelevant outside information into the argument. just suck it up and admit that it is pretty ridiculous to think they actually grow from samples they collect when they bust you. that is similar to assuming they would grow plants from seeds they found on plants you were growing to verify that it was weed. they know from testing the myc that it is the real deal.

now to return to the topic.. i agree that it would take a lot to attract enough attention for a "Raid" and if you do have that kind of attention you would need one big ass toilet to flush that shit. the best bet is just to take proactive, not reactive measures when it comes to not getting caught.


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Hyphilion]
    #14424256 - 05/09/11 11:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Crumble and flush is your best bet. I had this paranoia a bit back too. Started getting ready every time I felt it was coming but then I realized growing magical things that put the ego to rest really makes that same ego pretty upset :-)


Have a bucket of water next to your toilet, when you hear the special knock, run to the toilet, break the cake up as quick as you can, flush. Pour bucket water, flush, pour again if needed and flush.


Good vibes to you :mushroom2:




Thanks for the contributory thoughts amigo.
Hmm.. Toilet seems like a good fall back, especially if its just one tub.  However, it is not the 30 second solution I am looking for.  For example, an 18 L tub with 5" sub depth would require multiple [toilet] flushes.





That's why you have the bucket. Hold down the flush and it will keep dumping. I have done similar things and it took less than 20 seconds.

If you really want a quick way, open your window and just throw the sub off of your property in an odd angle. Other than that you could pour alcohol in the tub and set it on fire which would be a very cruel way to dispose of the mycellium but it works.

Other logical options involve chemicals you can't come across freely without being red flagged such as liquid nitrogen and such. I would just chill and not put paranoid vibes into my living atmosphere. If you've told too many people, simply flatter them until you put it to rest then invite them over and show them where it USED to be. Wait a month or so and restart. Word gets around quick man.


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: OneU]
    #14424268 - 05/09/11 11:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

seriously dude, you can eat it.


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Wizzy]
    #14424377 - 05/09/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Set the house on fire
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    #14424896 - 05/09/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:trolldance: we need to not feed this fellah so much look at the energy hes asserting :huxleyfacepalm:


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: broken]
    #14426581 - 05/09/11 08:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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closed veil said:
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Set the house on fire
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only way bro. and a true cap't goes down with his ship!





No you can def eat it. Idk how your gona say its not an option. Its the most logical.


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Daft Punk]
    #14427711 - 05/10/11 12:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Daft Punk, clearly YOU DID NOT READ the quote I posted about LE growing shrooms in a lab.

  Wait.. let me get this straight.  You are telling me what the is getting off topic in my own thread... yet you did not even bother to read what you are myopically criticizing me about.  Let alone post your own evidence of your own claim, later followed by a statement which involves you soliciting my admission of posting incorrect information... about information YOU make statements about yet conveniently omit the source of your own "knowledge" on the subject.

  So..

Tards, how about contributing to this thread instead of detracting from it.  If you want to talk about the original post, it is regarding destroying evidence so that LE cannot later use it as... that's right, evidence.

They need very conclusive evidence.  Mold, fungal spores.. that shit floats around everywhere.  Do you understand that they need to reproduce a clean sample that is completely one species, and then have it conclusively identified by an expert?

Don't even bother to comment unless you have requisite knowledge on the subject, which you can back up with a link to a source of information that is at least slightly relevant to your claim. 

Otherwise what you say is literally baseless.

:humpme:

Tards? Are you capable of reading this far?

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This is getting way off topic. hyphilion, you are introducing completely irrelevant outside information into the argument. just suck it up and admit that it is pretty ridiculous to think they actually grow from samples they collect when they bust you. that is similar to assuming they would grow plants from seeds they found on plants you were growing to verify that it was weed. they know from testing the myc that it is the real deal.

now to return to the topic.. i agree that it would take a lot to attract enough attention for a "Raid" and if you do have that kind of attention you would need one big ass toilet to flush that shit. the best bet is just to take proactive, not reactive measures when it comes to not getting caught.





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source: http://www.mushroomjohn.org/newsdea1.htm
JANUARY 2005

SUSPECTED PSILOCYBE MUSHROOM SPORES IN DETROIT, MICHIGAN
...
"A growth cycle was initiated for all three samples in order to determine whether or not Psilocybe mushrooms could be produced. A standard underground procedure was used (obtained from an Internet site; details withheld in accordance with Microgram policy). Mycelium growth was observed after about 3 weeks; however, only two small mushrooms grew (which were harvested after 78 days). Analysis of methanolic extracts of the two mushrooms by GC/MS indicated no controlled substances, suggesting that the mushrooms were not Psilocybe mushrooms."




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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: JonnyLongboard]
    #14427787 - 05/10/11 12:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Squat over the tub and take a big shit in it.  When the police ask what it is just say its a litter box and you have a really big fuckin cat.  Meow



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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Carl Sagan]
    #14428075 - 05/10/11 02:35 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If you're worried about getting pinched, just don't sell them or tell anybody what you're doing. That eliminates most all of your problem. In the off chance that the fuzz does stop by, they'll need probable cause to get in. It helps if you don't smoke pot or leave incriminating things laying in the open.

I seriously doubt if a cop gave two flying fucks if I'm messing around with agar and a few trays, or even about my failed--to-materialize panaeolus project in the works. I'm sure that they have better things to do than hassle me.

The lesson: if you're super paranoid, don't grow 8 monotubs for personal use, don't tell anyone, don't sell them.

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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Hyphilion]
    #14428326 - 05/10/11 05:23 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Instead of researching what the cops are going to do with the evidence AFTER they bust you and coming up with all sorts of ridiculous ways to get rid of it, you should do some research on how people get busted in the first place. 99.99% of the time warrants are obtained because someone who knew about the grow operation in question talked to the cops. Don't tell ANYONE what you're doing and you'll be fine. This seems to be hard for a lot of people, but the point can't be emphasized enough.

If you share mushrooms with friends, tell them you get them from an anonymous friend. Don't even hint that you grow your own to anyone. I have friends I've known all my life that have no clue I grow and I'll always keep it that way. Relationships can quickly change and best friends can become worst enemies. Your best friend could get busted for something serious and during a police interrogation decide that rolling on you would be a better option than a long prison sentence. I've seen it happen to people I know, we've seen it happen to people posting here and it will always be a fact of life.

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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: FooMan]
    #14428338 - 05/10/11 05:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

sporesmores420 is right... eat them.  a real man should be able to chow down 8-10 monos worth of myc and fruits in well under 30 seconds.


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: FooMan]
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Instead of researching what the cops are going to do with the evidence AFTER they bust you and coming up with all sorts of ridiculous ways to get rid of it, you should do some research on how people get busted in the first place. 99.99% of the time warrants are obtained because someone who knew about the grow operation in question talked to the cops. Don't tell ANYONE what you're doing and you'll be fine. This seems to be hard for a lot of people, but the point can't be emphasized enough.

If you share mushrooms with friends, tell them you get them from an anonymous friend. Don't even hint that you grow your own to anyone. I have friends I've known all my life that have no clue I grow and I'll always keep it that way. Relationships can quickly change and best friends can become worst enemies. Your best friend could get busted for something serious and during a police interrogation decide that rolling on you would be a better option than a long prison sentence. I've seen it happen to people I know, we've seen it happen to people posting here and it will always be a fact of life.

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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Sillicybin]
    #14428505 - 05/10/11 06:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The best way to destroy any living organic matter is by rapid oxidation to render it into it's base elements.

I think the first thing to do would be flush it down the toilet.
Alternatively, I have a 15L container of 99% sulfuric acid in the garage, and a 25L container of 69% nitric acid.

Your best bet would be to give it a darn good mix in the conc sulfuric acid, or alternatively, if you have concentrated nitric acid using distillation and sulfuric acid(for whatever reason excluding that of synthesizing energetic materials), dump a suitable amount onto the mycelium. 90%+ nitric acid is one of the most nasty mineral acids around. It fumes toxic brown NOxides, and will take out your epidermis in about 6 seconds. conc H2SO4 does it in about 10-15.(this did happen to me.. sadly..)
Alternatively, concentrated hydrogen peroxide 60%+.

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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Hyphilion]
    #14428568 - 05/10/11 07:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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they need to reproduce a clean sample that is completely one species, and then have it conclusively identified by an expert?




No, this is not what is required to convict you, the bar is set much lower.
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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14428904 - 05/10/11 09:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hyphilion.

i dont understand the reference you provided. there seem to be many articles and i didn't read through every single one (im sorry but i dont have the time). the only one that seems to have anything about DEA cultivating themselves is the first thing and that is from spores. we are talking about them taking myc samples and growing.

as far as being off topic i guess you can talk about whatever the fuck you want and a lot of topics to change from their original post, but i am simply saying the DEA growing from spores seems to come from nowhere. i am too lazy to put more effort into this..


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    #14428956 - 05/10/11 09:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The best way to destroy any living organic matter is by rapid oxidation to render it into it's base elements.

I think the first thing to do would be flush it down the toilet.
Alternatively, I have a 15L container of 99% sulfuric acid in the garage, and a 25L container of 69% nitric acid.

Your best bet would be to give it a darn good mix in the conc sulfuric acid, or alternatively, if you have concentrated nitric acid using distillation and sulfuric acid(for whatever reason excluding that of synthesizing energetic materials), dump a suitable amount onto the mycelium. 90%+ nitric acid is one of the most nasty mineral acids around. It fumes toxic brown NOxides, and will take out your epidermis in about 6 seconds. conc H2SO4 does it in about 10-15.(this did happen to me.. sadly..)
Alternatively, concentrated hydrogen peroxide 60%+.

Dont talk!! its the best advice here



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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Fungal growth]
    #14429216 - 05/10/11 10:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

how much worse is it to actually have myc and/or fruits when you get busted, than a shitload of jars, syringes, prints, FCs, etc?  seems like the difference in court case and resulting penalties would negligible.


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Trippy_Smurf]
    #14429226 - 05/10/11 10:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Prosecutor's burden is to convince a jury you were growing mushrooms or attempting to do so.
What actual evidence is required to make that happen is a matter of skill, not science.

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    #14429408 - 05/10/11 11:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, this is Safety & Security material - we talk about how to grow them here, not how to disassociate/dispose of them!


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Sillicybin]
    #14429447 - 05/10/11 11:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Always remember... EVERYTHING in mycology is flushable... That my friend is the most logical. Like the gentleman stated above, keep a bucket or two of water next to your bowl, when you crumble it into the toilet and pore the bucket into the toilet its like a super flush lol. Plus your toilet is primed for a second flush and the second bucket will give u the third to get all the little particles down too. Ive yet to throw away spent substrates or grain... Goes to the toilet. Far away from me and my home... But if you have someone at your door with a warrant. They already have enough information. Light up a spliff and puff that puppy as fast as you can.


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14429987 - 05/10/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

Hyphilion said:
they need to reproduce a clean sample that is completely one species, and then have it conclusively identified by an expert?




No, this is not what is required to convict you, the bar is set much lower.
When you get to civics class next year you'll see what I mean, it's a lot to go into right now.





Your post is of zero substance and zero value.

Why? You fail to cite supporting evidence, or even a rational thought process that leads to your conclusion. 

Thus, what you say is tantamount to saying absolutely nothing.  It is useless because it is baseless.

Lol, I like how silly people with no concept of supported arguments like to talk about educaiton.  Its funny :smile:  And not funny "ha-ha", funny get this away from me and castrate it so it doesn't breed.


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14429994 - 05/10/11 02:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I would like to thank the above posters who contributed their ideas on sulfuric and nitric acids.

I suppose that flushing is the most pragmatic way, given that highly caustic chemicals are perhaps the next best alternative...


That is.. unless someone can think of some other way to destroy or disappear myc.



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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Hyphilion]
    #14430020 - 05/10/11 02:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Hyphilion said:
Ok, I take that back, I did a couple quick google searches and found something relevant, Mr. "eat my fuck" (this alias is certainly the hallmark of a mature, enlightened individual)

source: http://www.mushroomjohn.org/newsdea1.htm
JANUARY 2005

SUSPECTED PSILOCYBE MUSHROOM SPORES IN DETROIT, MICHIGAN
The DEA North Central Laboratory (Chicago, Illinois) recently received three glass vials containing a clear solution, suspected Psilocybe mushroom spores in water. The exhibits were originally contained in three syringes, and were purchased in Detroit, Michigan by agents from the DEA Detroit Division (details withheld in accordance with Microgram policy). The total net weight and volume of the samples was 35.9 grams (40.0 milliliters).

A growth cycle was initiated for all three samples in order to determine whether or not Psilocybe mushrooms could be produced. A standard underground procedure was used (obtained from an Internet site; details withheld in accordance with Microgram policy). Mycelium growth was observed after about 3 weeks; however, only two small mushrooms grew (which were harvested after 78 days). Analysis of methanolic extracts of the two mushrooms by GC/MS indicated no controlled substances, suggesting that the mushrooms were not Psilocybe mushrooms. It is unclear whether the sale was a scam, or if the solution was contaminated during the transfer from the syringes to the vials, or if there was some other unknown problem with the solution or cultivation procedures. This is the first time that a mushroom grow has been performed at the North Central Laboratory. "



they did it once, at a university lab.
i see no evidence that this is normal procedure.
besides, i believe anyone with a good enough microscope
could tell if its active by examining the spores.
thats why we write 'for mocroscopy use only' on our spore prints.


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Hyphilion]
    #14430047 - 05/10/11 02:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Hyphilion said:
That is.. unless someone can think of some other way to destroy or disappear myc.





Grow legal edibles and not have to worry about it at all :shrug:

If you are that worried about getting caught why bother risking your
freedom?


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Re: Best way to destroy mycelium in a hurry-- Bleach, Alcohol, other? [Re: Hyphilion]
    #14430053 - 05/10/11 02:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

Reason:
try security and safety, they have loads of answers


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