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CosmicLion
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How to Make Purified B. Caapi Harmala Extract [tek] 5
#14420497 - 05/08/11 04:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey you all,
Sad days with the DMT-Nexus down. But that doesn't mean that we can't still extract our Caapi!!!!

Here is a quickie to keep you goin till the Nexus is back in action!
Here is a quick recipe for Caapi:
1. Use water with some White Vinegar added to cook caapi on a 3x3 (3 simmers for 3 hours each, combined at the end)
2. Reduce down to 1 quart if you used 250g of Caapi or less. If you used over 250g Caapi, reduce to 2 quarts.
3. Let the Caapi solution sit in the fridge overnight to decant. In the morning, pour off the liquid from the top, leaving the sediment at the bottom. Discard the sediment.
4. Add a concentrated Sodium Carbonate solution to the Caapi solution until there is no more color change. Add very slowly and watch out for bubbling. -Make S. Carbonate by cooking Baking Soda in the oven at 420F for 4.20 hours. (3 hours works good too ) -Take your SC powder and dissolve it into water, super-saturated such that there is a little undissolved SC. Filter out this excess. This is your concentrated SC solution.
5. Let sit for 60 minutes then filter out & collect the loose Harmala Alkaloids. Letting it sit overnight in the fridge works great too.
6. Take the Harmala and dissolve it into pure white Vinegar. Filter out & discard any particles that don't dissolve.
7. Slowly add concentrated sodium carbonate solution to the Vinegar (RAPID color change!) until there is no more color changing.
8. Let sit for 60 minutes (or overnight in the fridge) and collect your PURIFIED Harmala alkaloids!
Caapi Copy baby!!! MMMMMM
200mg = Dankness
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Re: How to Make Purified B. Caapi Harmala Extract [tek] [Re: CosmicLion]
#14420568 - 05/08/11 05:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: How to Make Purified B. Caapi Harmala Extract [tek] [Re: Eminence]
#14421232 - 05/08/11 07:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: How to Make Purified B. Caapi Harmala Extract [tek] [Re: CosmicLion]
#14432796 - 05/10/11 11:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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A little off topic, perhaps this belongs in the Pub, or somewhere else, but, on the subject of DMT, I looked it up on wikipedia out of boredom and found a VERY interesting read under the Legal status section of the USA. In 2009, a federal Judge basically legalized it with restrictions and set forth provisions so the US government couldn't make it illegal in the future. Yes, that is the simplified verdict, but the bottom line is that it was made legal through religion. Has anyone, a church, etc, tried making Psilocin legal through religious use? If a church made DMT legal, then it would seem to me that it would be simple to do the same thing for Psilocin. Granted, it would have to be a certain species of mushroom, etc, etc. But the bottom line would be that a federal act would be in place making it legal to import, possess, distribute, etc. There have to be some south american religions out there which could use the freedom of religion act to procure such a judgement. Anybody know anything about this?
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Re: How to Make Purified B. Caapi Harmala Extract [tek] [Re: CosmicLion]
#14435326 - 05/11/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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One can expect a .5% - 1% yield, sometimes lower and sometimes higher if you have really potent caapi.
Shelf life is indefinite as long as you keep it in a little baggie in a little bottle in the freezer.
Little vials like this are IDEAL and are located at most healthy medicinal herb stores:

You can use JUST the right size for your powder to avoid excess oxidation from air and they store really well in the freezer.
I like to put Caapi in the vial, in a baggie, in the freezer. The extra baggie on the outside prevents excess condensation from accumulating in\around the vial.
Here is a source I just found online, looks legit to me:
http://bellirosa.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=12_45
Good luck!
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Re: How to Make Purified B. Caapi Harmala Extract [tek] [Re: CosmicLion]
#14763037 - 07/13/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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just out of curiosity is it possible to use calcium hydroxide instead of sodium carbonate?
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Re: How to Make Purified B. Caapi Harmala Extract [tek] [Re: grimrs]
#14763961 - 07/13/11 06:07 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Can make sodium carbonate really easily By baking 'baking soda' on a sheet pan at 350-400 F for an hour. Stir a few times... Will loose mass, as the CO2 evolves off, so do more than you need... But cheap and easy... Store it in a air tight container ( keep moisture out)
Use Baking soda Not baking powder
In the above, a hydroxide would be really over kill and I would not use it. Would probably over shoot the pH adjustment and miss the good stuff.
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Re: How to Make Purified B. Caapi Harmala Extract [tek] [Re: CosmicLion]
#14764004 - 07/13/11 06:15 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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For step 4 do you actually mean make a supersaturated solution or is saturated fine?
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Re: How to Make Purified B. Caapi Harmala Extract [tek] [Re: lacma50]
#14777427 - 07/16/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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lacma50 said: For step 4 do you actually mean make a supersaturated solution or is saturated fine?
Well saturated is fine.
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Re: How to Make Purified B. Caapi Harmala Extract [tek] [Re: CosmicLion]
#14831309 - 07/27/11 03:16 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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archived! muchos gracias.
do you have any opinions on caapi tinctures cosmiclion? as in, what is a good concentration for a changa mix (10-20x), what is a good solvent to use (acetone, ipa, ethanol, methanol, vodka)?
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Re: How to Make Purified B. Caapi Harmala Extract [tek] [Re: Dosile Kouki]
#14837859 - 07/28/11 09:32 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've never made changa using a Caapi tincture... IMO it seems that depending on the tincture source it could still be a bit thick for that application.
I always take my Harmala Powder and dissovle it into 99% IPA. Whatever doesn't dissolve is filtered out and the IPA is evaporated over herbs to form changa.
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Re: How to Make Purified B. Caapi Harmala Extract [tek] [Re: CosmicLion]
#14840167 - 07/28/11 05:42 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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ok. was just hoping there would be a possible way around a caapi extraction. it seems like it is the way to go though.
one other related question is, do you know what is a good ratio of harmala alkaloids : dmt : plant material? i was thinking possibly 1 : 2 : 4 ? (i know it's the sort of question that is akin to ' how long is a piece of string ', but just wondering if you have any advice or your own favourite strength/blend)
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Re: How to Make Purified B. Caapi Harmala Extract [tek] [Re: CosmicLion]
#14840779 - 07/28/11 08:12 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
CosmicLion said: cook caapi on a 3x3 (3 simmers for 3 hours each, combined at the end)
Lost me there.
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Re: How to Make Purified B. Caapi Harmala Extract [tek] [Re: abltsandwich]
#14840878 - 07/28/11 08:34 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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so you cook your caapi leaves with a solution of water and white vinegar added, for 3 hours.
at the end you strain off the liquid, and keep it seperate, then you put the caapi material back into the pot again and cook for another 3 hours with a fresh water/vinegar solution.
and again a 3rd time. then you discard the expended caapi material and work on the 3 combined water/vinegar solutions.
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Re: How to Make Purified B. Caapi Harmala Extract [tek] [Re: Dosile Kouki]
#14841331 - 07/28/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thank you for the clarification. Maybe I just know nothing about extracting B. caapi and that's a common step? Considering how the first step was described, it seems very esoteric for the layman.
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Re: How to Make Purified B. Caapi Harmala Extract [tek] [Re: bbox244]
#14842006 - 07/29/11 01:16 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
bbox244 said: A little off topic, perhaps this belongs in the Pub, or somewhere else, but, on the subject of DMT, I looked it up on wikipedia out of boredom and found a VERY interesting read under the Legal status section of the USA. In 2009, a federal Judge basically legalized it with restrictions and set forth provisions so the US government couldn't make it illegal in the future. Yes, that is the simplified verdict, but the bottom line is that it was made legal through religion. Has anyone, a church, etc, tried making Psilocin legal through religious use? If a church made DMT legal, then it would seem to me that it would be simple to do the same thing for Psilocin. Granted, it would have to be a certain species of mushroom, etc, etc. But the bottom line would be that a federal act would be in place making it legal to import, possess, distribute, etc. There have to be some south american religions out there which could use the freedom of religion act to procure such a judgement. Anybody know anything about this?
Yes the santo ayahuasca churches are legally able to have ayahuasca services the churches really cant be found on the net its a tight circle and very hush hush. i have a friend who meets up with a group just outside new york but thats pretty far from where i live and there arent any near me.
Also the native americans have federal protection to use peyote in ceremonies as well.
in both cases these are churches that are very old from brazil/peru/mexico and before the white settlers came about and its very documented that peyote and ayahuasca are a cornerstone of their religions. seeing as how mushrooms are indeed old but there really isnt a hard and legitimate religion around that has used them for hundreds of years i dont see something like that happening but we can hope!
or do like me an join the native american church =)
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Re: How to Make Purified B. Caapi Harmala Extract [tek] [Re: CosmicLion]
#17581605 - 01/20/13 08:40 PM (11 years, 11 days ago) |
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Ok so its basically an acid-base extraction but just using weaker chemicals and no organic solvent... Do crystals precipitate that easily? Does taking the extract reduce nausia and vomiting? Can this be done with syrian rue too?
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