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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #14419764 - 05/08/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

America would lose less people to bombing than they would to the 3 wars they have now.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: learningtofly]
    #14419776 - 05/08/11 02:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

True that.  Doesn't stop the fear mongering on the mainstream though.

Remember Guiliani?  He ran on a campaign based around 9/11 :facepalm:

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #14419779 - 05/08/11 02:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah he had to most to gain from it :strokebeard:


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: learningtofly]
    #14419787 - 05/08/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Haha nah he failed hard   

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #14419908 - 05/08/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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NO MORE FUCKING NANNY STATE. Ron Paul is our only hope




Sorry, I forgot a "not" in my post. What I mean is exactly this. What you call a nanny state I call a social contract. Ron Paul will eviscerate social safety nets. This is another problem I have with the man.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus] * 1
    #14419919 - 05/08/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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NO MORE FUCKING NANNY STATE. Ron Paul is our only hope




Sorry, I forgot a "not" in my post. What I mean is exactly this. What you call a nanny state I call a social contract. Ron Paul will eviscerate social safety nets. This is another problem I have with the man.




and where is the money coming from to fund these social contracts? cause our government doesn't have that money.

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: blazenn]
    #14419926 - 05/08/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

By slashing the defense budget, closing corporate tax loopholes, and cutting farm and oil subsidies.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus] * 1
    #14419933 - 05/08/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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By slashing the defense budget, closing corporate tax loopholes, and cutting farm and oil subsidies.




thats funny cause these are all things that ron paul supports. and not only supports but they're all major parts of his campaign.

obama sure doesn't want to cut down on the money we spend for defense.

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: blazenn]
    #14420025 - 05/08/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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thats funny cause these are all things that ron paul supports. and not only supports but they're all major parts of his campaign.





I am aware of this. My point was that I would make those cuts to pay for social services. Ron Paul would include those social services in those cuts.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus] * 1
    #14420038 - 05/08/11 03:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

ron paul wouldnt cut social services! he only has 4 years AND  he;s isnt being elected tyrant, he is only president. He can slash defense or whatever but he cant just bypass congress and cutout everything.

Elect him, save hundreds of billions in foreign aid and wars, and right there we are in the right direction


you know why we should vote for Ron Paul? look how fucking terrified FOx is of him! he must really know what he is talking about and the establishment must have a fucking shitload at stake to do stuff like this

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14420049 - 05/08/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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you know why we should vote for Ron Paul? look how fucking terrified FOx is of him!




By that logic you should be giving heavily to Obama's campaign right now.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus] * 1
    #14420062 - 05/08/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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thats funny cause these are all things that ron paul supports. and not only supports but they're all major parts of his campaign.





I am aware of this. My point was that I would make those cuts to pay for social services. Ron Paul would include those social services in those cuts.





the thing is most of those social services are exactly what's keeping the united states in debt. i don't know all the math, but i'm pretty sure cutting defense by 100% wouldn't even come close to paying for our social services in a single year.

our debt is a perpetual problem at this point and there's no way the american government can pull itself out while still handing out money to business and people trying to handle their own financial problems.
of course america's debt problem goes much deeper than the money it spends on social services but it's all relative.

from what i know about our current state of the economy, there's no way in hell we're going to get out of debt any time soon. they we things are going the US dollar is going to lose it's spot as the world's reserve currency long before we can even BEGIN to lower the federal deficit.

when the dollar loses its spot as the world's reserve currency, you don't even know how much prices are going to skyrocket on everything from clothes, to food, and it's already very rapidly happening to oil. we are just now witnessing the first part of a major economic meltdown. and when it finally kicks in full force, the federal government will have no choice but to immediately stop all those social services it's trying to pay for.

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus] * 1
    #14420082 - 05/08/11 03:21 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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you know why we should vote for Ron Paul? look how fucking terrified FOx is of him!




By that logic you should be giving heavily to Obama's campaign right now.




no. the liberal media is just as terrified, but why would they talk about the pub primaries this early?

Theyre to hands of the same man, lib's increase social costs, con's keep spending billions oversea's in everyone elses business.

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: realfuzzhead]
    #14420135 - 05/08/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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when the dollar loses its spot as the world's reserve currency, you don't even know how much prices are going to skyrocket on everything from clothes, to food, and it's already very rapidly happening to oil.




Where are you getting this from?


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #14420201 - 05/08/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

it's mostly speculation but think about it, most of our products in america are imported.

with USD being the global currency we don't have to convert to any other currency before we import our goods. when/if the USD loses that spot, which will only happen when the worth of our dollar is already much lower than any other world currency, we'll have to convert to whatever currency the country is using that we import from dramatically increasing the amount of money we have to spend on said product.

right now the only thing saving our economy is the fact that the federal reserve is printing trillions of dollars to make up for the money the government doesn't have. the only reason that this works is because the USD is the worlds reserve currency. the longer the federal reserve has to resort to printing more money, the more the USD will lose it's value globally.

i'll have to try to find the article but i read a report recently that russia, china, i think japan, and a couple other nations had a meeting without the U.S. to discuss a retreat from using the USD as the global currency. russia and china have already made an agreement that will allow them to trade without having to convert to USD first.




http://www.businessinsider.com/citi-on-nanjing-meeting-2011-3

and

http://blog-imfdirect.imf.org/2011/03/31/new-international-monetary-system/

are a couple articles about it.

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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: blazenn]
    #14420234 - 05/08/11 03:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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it's mostly speculation but think about it, most of our products in america are imported.



And a devaluation of our currency will therefore fix our trade deficit.

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right now the only thing saving our economy is the fact that the federal reserve is printing trillions of dollars to make up for the money the government doesn't have. the only reason that this works is because the USD is the worlds reserve currency. the longer the federal reserve has to resort to printing more money, the more the USD will lose it's value globally.



You talk about printing money as making up for money our government doesn't have.  This makes no sense.  The currency printed is money the government has.  The issuer of currency can never run out of money.  The fact that the dollar is the world's reserve currency does of course confer certain advantages, but it's not the end of the wold if we lose that status.  Western Europe has gotten along just fine without having the world's reserve currency.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: skatealex2]
    #14420236 - 05/08/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ron Paul does not have a chance of being elected, and I am grateful for that.

First of all, he simply won't get nominated to run as the GOP candidate. The GOP brass don't care about poll numbers. That's not how the Republican Party works. That's one of the few things that differentiates it from the Democratic party. Paul is too much of a "maverick" to even be considered by the GOP establishment.

Second of all, the guy is a loon. He doesn't mean what he says about the drug war, he just says it for brownie points with his libertarian constituency and for campaign contributions from druggies who aren't smart enough to hold onto their money. Seems to work out pretty well for him.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: blazenn]
    #14420238 - 05/08/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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it's mostly speculation but think about it, most of our products in america are imported.




If you don't understand economics you probably shouldn't have it be the crux of your argument. I don't understand a lick about global economics, so I stay away from it when I debate.

But I get what you're saying. The US is too broke to take care of its most vulnerable citizens. That's the same line I get from every republican, and it's not the case. Social services such as health care, education, and infrastructure should take huge precedence over everything else, especially in times of economic turmoil.


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Re: Does Ron Paul have a chance? [Re: Gastronomicus] * 1
    #14420300 - 05/08/11 04:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Right, like I said I would prefer a single-payer option like every other civilized industrial nation on earth. And no, I don't find it fucked up that the government can make you buy insurance. We have the same law for auto-insurance, why? Because it is irresponsible not to be insured. If you don't have health insurance and you get treatment that you can't pay for, the taxpayer picks up the tab. If you don't have car insurance and you get in a wreck, the person you hit picks up the tab. Neither of those situations are "fair."

The fact is that the republican party is a collective of racists, corporate whores, and plutocrats who think that it is more important to ban abortion and cut social services for the poor than it is to raise taxes on millionaires. The fact that Ron Paul associates with these scumbags should tell you something about his character.




Man, you really bought into this plan hook, line, and sinker.  You bitch about the Paul-worshipers but you are lock and step with the Obama-care bullshit?

You've said a few things that I will loosely quote..

1.  Obama didn't pass a public option or single payer plan because he couldn't get support. 

He didn't even try to get either of those options through Congress. He endorsed a bill that was void of either option and so what we have is a complete mess of a plan that does absolutely NOTHING to curtail health care cost. 

He could have rammed down either of those options through down the party line as easily or more easily than this debauchery. 

2.  I don't find it fucked up that the government can make you buy insurance. We have the same law for auto-insurance.

Show me the law that requires me to own a car.  This is a completely false equation.  I have no car.  I pay for no car insurance.  Everybody has a choice as to whether or not they want car insurance. 

3.  If you don't have health insurance and you get treatment that you can't pay for, the taxpayer picks up the tab.

And under the new plan, who picks up the tab?  The insurance company.  And how do they do that?  By raising premiums.  And who pays those premiums?  Oh yeah, the people.  So how is it different?  This plan makes me responsible for the guy next door who has a bacon IV attached to his arm and thinks cake icing is a main course.  Cigarette smokers, meth users, Hell, even people who go to the ER every time they have a hangnail.  Who is responsible for these people under the new plan?  Oh yeah, that's right.  You.  And me.  And every other American citizen who follows the ridiculous law.


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    #14420325 - 05/08/11 04:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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when the dollar loses its spot as the world's reserve currency, you don't even know how much prices are going to skyrocket on everything from clothes, to food, and it's already very rapidly happening to oil.




Where are you getting this from?





we are printing money out of thin air! we have been, our currency is not back by precious metals, its backed by faith. FAITH. The U.S dollar is losing its value, you dont need to be a genius to know this.

Gold and oil have stayed about the same price for price, while paper currency has plummeted! if our currency was backed by gold, oil wouldnt be more expensive. its only expensive relative to the dollar.
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