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ThePharmahuasquero



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Caapi Copy?
#14419065 - 05/08/11 11:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Anyone had any experience with this? It's pretty cheap, and the three alkaloids are present. And 200 mgs, good for one dose? It's what I've seen posted. Just looking for some one with experience.
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no experience but I remember people saying how good it was... I would assume it is better than using S.Rue. Im sure some people would say it's not as good as straight up Caapi though.... I would like to hear what people say because I am also interested.
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ThePharmahuasquero



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Yeah. I've googled it a bit, of course, and well since the Nexus is down info it limited, and I haven't found a place to buy it at all. Not cool.
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Caapi copy is available at flowing visions which comes up when you google it. I haven't tried it myself but I know it's legit. There were some rumors on the nexus a while back that the caapi copy is extracted from syrian rue but I wouldn't know. Anyway if I were you I would just purchase syrian rue seeds and do an extraction on it. Its a very simple process and all you need is vinegar and sea salt. I purchased rue recently and I'm in the process of extracting my own alkaloids.
It just depends on convenience I guess. Syrian rue runs for less than $50 a kilo some places which can yield you 40+ grams of alkaloids. So essentially you are paying about a dollar a gram rather than the inflated price of 15-25 a gram.
THH, however, is present in very small quantities in syrian rue. But there is a process to convert harmaline into THH with zinc and hydrochloric acid, as well as a few other chemicals. There was some discussion on the nexus about it, but the nexus is down of coarse.
Edit: 200mg is typically one good strong dose of harmala alkaloids.
Edited by Aedan (05/08/11 01:50 PM)
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CosmicLion
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100mg of Harmaline is a good dose.
150-200mg of Harmine is a good dose.
200mg of Tetrahydroharmine is a good dose.
Too much Harmaline is nauseating and dizzying.
Caapi Copy contains mainly Harmine and THH and as such 200mg is a good recommended dose.
Making your own Caapi extract + purification into light tan crystaly alkaloids is even easier then doing a Manske (rue extraction) and can be achieved by even a novice kitchen chemist.
Nexus has some good Caapi extraction + purification teks, we'll see when they come back up...
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ThePharmahuasquero said: Anyone had any experience with this?
Over at the Nexus there was a LOT of debate for a while over the legitimacy of the Caapi Copy from FV.
There has been a lot of quality control issues and as some stated, they even sold rue extract as Caapi Copy.
Wanna know what you have for sure? Extract it yourself! It's easier then any other extraction and not even as difficult as making a batch of double-fudge chocolate chip cookies with orange zest and real dark chocolate nougets mmmmmmmm
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ThePharmahuasquero



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Yeah, that's what I was worried about. So the manske extraction... the one involving vinegar and sea salt, you say that'll work on B caapi as well? I tried it once on some Rue, and it didn't precipitate anything.
I don't know, I might just make the brew of caapi, numb my taste buds with some lemon juice, and kick it back as fast as I can.
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CosmicLion said: Making your own Caapi extract + purification into light tan crystaly alkaloids is even easier then doing a Manske (rue extraction) and can be achieved by even a novice kitchen chemist.
Even easier than manske?? Impossible!
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CosmicLion said: Over at the Nexus there was a LOT of debate for a while over the legitimacy of the Caapi Copy from FV.
There has been a lot of quality control issues and as some stated, they even sold rue extract as Caapi Copy.
Not at all accurate. The controversy was over Flowing Vision's THH (tetrahydroharmine) NOT CaapiCopy.
While no longer a big fan of Flowing Visions because of the revelations on the THH which turned out to be plain old harmine/harmaline, no one has ever impugned the quality or constituents of CaapiCopy. That product is what it says it is, and works fine for me. I've used it at least 30 times for MAOI inhibition along with DMT fumarate as a "pharmahuasca" preparation.
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Nature Boy said: Not at all accurate. The controversy was over Flowing Vision's THH (tetrahydroharmine) NOT CaapiCopy.
I really wish the Nexus was back online 
You are absolutely right it was THH not the CCopy but I do remember discussion about the source of the harmala alkaloids found in Caapi Copy. Yes the "ratio" of Harmaline:Harmine:THH may be the same as Caapi but the source of the components can be debated.
I would much rather have extracted Caapi using organic Vinegar & heated baking soda then I would using rue compounds transformed with HCL and zinc. Any secondary by-products will be that of Rue and not Caapi. Not to mention my own energetic preference for working with something that ACTUALLY came from the Caapi plant instead of a mix that imitates it.
Still... like you said, who could be a fan of a company that directly deceives it's customers?
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ThePharmahuasquero said: Yeah, that's what I was worried about. So the manske extraction... the one involving vinegar and sea salt, you say that'll work on B caapi as well?
It will but it is unnecessary. The point of using the salt is to separate the Harmala from Rue's toxic compounds. Caapi does not contain these toxic compounds and therefore does not need salt as a separation catalyst.
Here is a quick recipe for Caapi:
1. Use water with some White Vinegar added to cook caapi on a 3x3 (3 simmers for 3 hours each, combined at the end)
2. Reduce down to 1 quart if you used 250g of Caapi or less. If you used over 250g Caapi, reduce to 2 quarts.
3. Let the Caapi solution sit in the fridge overnight to decant. In the morning, pour off the liquid from the top, leaving the sediment at the bottom. Discard the sediment.
4. Add a concentrated Sodium Carbonate solution to the Caapi solution until there is no more color change. Add very slowly and watch out for bubbling. -Make S. Carbonate by cooking Baking Soda in the oven at 420F for 4.20 hours. (3 hours works good too ) -Take your SC powder and dissolve it into water, super-saturated such that there is a little undissolved SC. Filter out this excess. This is your concentrated SC solution.
5. Let sit for 60 minutes then filter out & collect the loose Harmala Alkaloids. Letting it sit overnight in the fridge works great too.
6. Take the Harmala and dissolve it into pure white Vinegar. Filter out & discard any particles that don't dissolve.
7. Slowly add concentrated sodium carbonate solution to the Vinegar (RAPID color change!) until there is no more color changing.
8. Let sit for 60 minutes (or overnight in the fridge) and collect your PURIFIED Harmala alkaloids!
Caapi Copy baby!!! MMMMMM
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Edited by CosmicLion (05/08/11 04:34 PM)
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Hey Lion,
Whats the shelf life on this? Does it hold up pretty good capsuled up...say for 6 months if kept out of the light?
Also, what kind of yield could I expect off a typical batch of caapi?
Thanks!
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Re: Caapi Copy? [Re: Cups]
#14435320 - 05/11/11 03:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Cups said: Whats the shelf life on this? Does it hold up pretty good capsuled up...say for 6 months if kept out of the light?
Also, what kind of yield could I expect off a typical batch of caapi?
One can expect a .5% - 1% yield, sometimes lower and sometimes higher if you have really potent caapi.
Shelf life is indefinite as long as you keep them in a little baggie in a little bottle in the freezer.
Little vials like this are IDEAL and are located at most healthy medicinal herb stores:

You can use JUST the right size for your powder to avoid excess oxidation from air and they store really well in the freezer.
I like to put Caapi in the vial, in a baggie, in the freezer. The extra baggie on the outside prevents excess condensation from accumulating in\around the vial.
Here is a source I just found online, looks legit to me:
http://bellirosa.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=12_45
Good luck!
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I just posted an experience report.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=15595703&page=0&vc=1#15595703
100mg of caapi copy and 1.8 g of liberty caps. For a lot of people,and even for myself , this was quite a strong dose but i don't regret it just trust your instincts when combining any admixtures and inhibitors.
The synergy was there between the shrooms and the caapi but overall it felt like a much more caapi based experience until the gradual come down where it felt enchanted in a shroom like way.
The best way i've heard it put is that the Caapi vine (and alkaloids) is the Cave, and the dmt , or psyilocibin is the light.
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Re: Caapi Copy? [Re: dTr]
#23150178 - 04/24/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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good thread.
Edited by tregar (04/28/21 05:14 AM)
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Re: Caapi Copy? [Re: tregar]
#23150224 - 04/24/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice necro-post. 4+ years dead. 
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Edited by tregar (04/28/21 05:15 AM)
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Re: Caapi Copy? [Re: tregar]
#23150525 - 04/24/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Had three bottles of it back in the day. It worked, but tasted WORSE than shit. Long ago I started extracting my own caapi and have never relied on anyone's product other than my own from that day forward. Trust me, it's superior not only from the economic standpoint, but from the experiential one as well. 
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Thanks for your experience report back in the day...and glad you extract your own caapi, very nice. Love your name by the way, nature rules.
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Re: Caapi Copy? [Re: tregar]
#23179078 - 05/02/16 07:18 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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good thread
Edited by tregar (04/28/21 05:13 AM)
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