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How come nobody has sex with their parents? 1
#14419708 - 05/08/11 01:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Forgive me if this comes off as very stupid but this thought came into my head last night when I couldn't sleep.
You hear of incest, homosexuality, bisexuality, beastiality, all sorts of fetishes.
I don't think I've ever heard of consentual parent-child sex. Have you?
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#14419722 - 05/08/11 01:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's pretty fucking weird.
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#14419752 - 05/08/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Try it out. Its mother's day after all, what better time to spring that gift?
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Kickle]
#14419760 - 05/08/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kickle said: Try it out. Its mother's day after all, what better time to spring that gift?
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Kickle]
#14419789 - 05/08/11 02:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kickle said: Try it out. Its mother's day after all, what better time to spring that gift?
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? *DELETED* [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: flameclown]
#14419829 - 05/08/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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MOTHER IN LAW not "mummy"
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Kickle]
#14419835 - 05/08/11 02:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: EternalCowabunga] 1
#14419859 - 05/08/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Because it's like, gross, dude.
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Dude, thats fucking sick! And yes it would also be considered incest, and it does happen to quite a lot of girls, unfortunately. I have met many who were molested by their Fathers during their childhood or adolescence, and believe me, it fucks them up big time. Makes them feels dirty and guilty for the rest of their lives, and leads to self abuse, drug addictions...etc.
If you want a scientific reason why more people don't have sex with family members, it is due to pheromones and natural repulsion. When you find yourself attracted to some women, and not others, it is usually because you detect, through their pheromones, that they have immunities to certain diseases that you do not. This has been scientifically proven for a number of species, especially humans. That way, if you mate, you will produce offspring with a wider selection of immunities, thus increasing the likelihood of survival. Quite an ingenious natural system really.
But since those members of your immediate family already have the exact same immunities as you do, there usually is no sexual attraction. And I said usually, as there are always people who are fucked in the head.
There is no rule like this for stepmoms however, so keep your hands off her unless you want to piss off your dad!
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Satyapriya]
#14420165 - 05/08/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I said consentual sex, not molestation/rape.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#14420222 - 05/08/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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EternalCowabunga said: I said consentual sex, not molestation/rape.
Well the Father would consider it consentual, and it probably was, but a court and most of the rest of the world would consider it molestation or rape. Think about it.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Satyapriya]
#14420253 - 05/08/11 03:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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EternalCowabunga said: I said consentual sex, not molestation/rape.
Well the Father would consider it consentual, and it probably was, but a court and most of the rest of the world would consider it molestation or rape. Think about it.
The court recognizes absolutely no type of mutually consensual sex between father and underage daughter.
By no means would I advocate such deviancy, but let's face it, this is an example of cultural values being arbitrarily upheld by the law.
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Tchan909 said: By no means would I advocate such deviancy, but let's face it, this is an example of cultural values being arbitrarily upheld by the law.
As opposed to what? All laws are cultural and moral values that are arbitrarily upheld. Every last one of them.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Poid]
#14420691 - 05/08/11 05:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: auxiliary]
#14421037 - 05/08/11 06:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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dude???
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#14421156 - 05/08/11 06:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I would probably fuck my mom if she was hot, and I wasn't too worried about possible social repercussions.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: pouihi]
#14421158 - 05/08/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
#14422505 - 05/08/11 11:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Would you do a step-sister? How about a half-sister?
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
#14422525 - 05/08/11 11:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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iThink said: I would probably fuck my mom if she was hot, and I wasn't too worried about possible social repercussions.
Imaginary moms are far out of the question. It's all about the memory of coming out of that one vaj... and re-entering it again?
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Diploid]
#14422538 - 05/08/11 11:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#14423446 - 05/09/11 07:31 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#14423562 - 05/09/11 08:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's not unusual...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-514809/How-fell-love-brother-sister-grew-apart-met-20s.html
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23431996-shock-for-the-married-couple-who-discovered-they-are-twins-separated-at-birth.do
Anyway I have given this some thought, like if a guy is a sperm donor (I know the odds of this happening are probably low), but he will be a parent of a few kids that could eventually end up getting together. You can basically be attracted to anyone, and if you don't know you are related to that person you will look at them as an ordinary person, now assume you engage in a relationship with that person and come to discover that you are brother/sister, mother/son or father/daughter, it's a strange situation. Now being aware that you are related to someone, having grown up with them and wanting to have sex with them it's a bit twisted.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Diploid]
#14423567 - 05/09/11 08:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Would you do a step-sister? How about a half-sister? 
If i would do my mom if she was hot, do you really think i would object to a step-sister?
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
#14423953 - 05/09/11 10:40 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Would you do a step-sister? How about a half-sister? 
If i would do my mom if she was hot, do you really think i would object to a step-sister?

I give the thumbs-up to anything between consenting adults. Knock yourself out.
Read an article the other day about a guy in germany who went to jail for killing and eating another man...guy was willing, they planned it together, he even ate some of himself. 
I got's no probs with it even though it is a little out there.
Most of Germany does not agree with me. 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3286721.stm
That's an article written before he was sentenced. He got 5 years the first time, but public outrage forced another trial and I believe he got life.
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...I don't think I could bring myself to sit in a room for an extended period of time with one,let alone sleep with another relative...
there is this extremely challenged girl(20,21ish) that just didn't turn out since she can't walk without a cane...she also has a mondo down syndrome look in the eyes although that isn't necessarily the diagnosis......she is the product of her older brother and her mother though,all consensual weirdness.
dogs get bred in close knit groups as well,but there are times when you get a freaky sideshow out of the ordeal.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Boheim]
#14424030 - 05/09/11 11:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think that's what condoms are for.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Read an article the other day about a guy in germany who went to jail for killing and eating another man...guy was willing, they planned it together, he even ate some of himself. 
This was very spoken at the time. The guy put an announcement on a newspaper the net looking for someone who would be willing to be eaten, and that guy answered, first thing the "cannibal" fed him was actually his dick. The man was dead and the cannibal was imprisoned. I also don't agree since it was consented but they can always allege that the other dude wasn't mentality sane wanting to get eaten. There are laws you know, if they wanted to do that they should probably have done it in aboriginal ground
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: pouihi]
#14424102 - 05/09/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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now if you want sick bastards look for Josef Fritzl.
imprisoned his daughter for 24 years in the basement of his house repeatedly rapped her, and she had 7 kids of his.
what a life man...
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#14424614 - 05/09/11 01:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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pretty sure it happens. It's just much less likely as there is an age difference, and the feelings a parent feels towards their child and vice versa are very strong and overpower any potential sexual feelings..
ughhhhh. I like some fucked up shit but extreme disgust ensues when this subject comes up
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: pouihi]
#14425230 - 05/09/11 03:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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pouihi said: now if you want sick bastards look for Josef Fritzl.
imprisoned his daughter for 24 years in the basement of his house repeatedly rapped her, and she had 7 kids of his.
what a life man... 
If he enjoyed it, then what was wrong with it?
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
#14425284 - 05/09/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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pouihi said: now if you want sick bastards look for Josef Fritzl.
imprisoned his daughter for 24 years in the basement of his house repeatedly rapped her, and she had 7 kids of his.
what a life man... 
If he enjoyed it, then what was wrong with it?
You don't see anything wrong with imprisoning your own daughter and making her your sex slaves against her will?
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pouihi said: now if you want sick bastards look for Josef Fritzl.
imprisoned his daughter for 24 years in the basement of his house repeatedly rapped her, and she had 7 kids of his.
what a life man... 
If he enjoyed it, then what was wrong with it?
You don't see anything wrong with imprisoning your own daughter and making her your sex slaves against her will? 
Not if I was so fucked up in the head, that this was the only way i could find happiness.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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I personally don't feel that being fucked up in the head justifies incestual rape and/or forced imprisonment.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Poid]
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Poid said: I personally don't feel that being fucked up in the head justifies incestual rape and/or forced imprisonment. 
What is your basis for something being "justified"? In my opinion all that matters is the self. Everything we do is to satisfy a desire we have no matter how many conflicting desires we may be sensing. If you were so far from the norm and so ill as to come to the point where the only way you found happiness was through forced imprisonment and rape of your daughter, then I would do the exact same thing and feel completely justified in that position.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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What makes you assume that imprisoning and raping his daughter was the only way that he could find happiness?
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Poid]
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Poid said: What makes you assume that imprisoning and raping his daughter was the only way that he could find happiness?
Perhaps that was poorly worded. It was a way for him to find happiness, and given his situation it was inevitable. It gave his personal experience some sort of satisfaction, and there is no objective basis for it being "wrong".
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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Poid said: What makes you assume that imprisoning and raping his daughter was the only way that he could find happiness?
Perhaps that was poorly worded. It was a way for him to find happiness, and given his situation it was inevitable.
Why does his situation indicate that it was inevitable? He could've found happiness through other means without having to torture others.
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There is no objective right or wrong, I know this; his personal satisfaction was at the cost of others' health and well-being, and that is wrong IMO.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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Poid said: What makes you assume that imprisoning and raping his daughter was the only way that he could find happiness?
Perhaps that was poorly worded. It was a way for him to find happiness, and given his situation it was inevitable. It gave his personal experience some sort of satisfaction, and there is no objective basis for it being "wrong".
How ironic that they will put him in prison and let people have sex with him against his will because he imprisoned somebody and had sex with them against their will.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Poid]
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Poid said: What makes you assume that imprisoning and raping his daughter was the only way that he could find happiness?
Perhaps that was poorly worded. It was a way for him to find happiness, and given his situation it was inevitable.
Why does his situation indicate that it was inevitable? He could've found happiness through other means without having to torture others.
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iThink said: It gave his personal experience some sort of satisfaction, and there is no objective basis for it being "wrong".
There is no objective right or wrong, I know this; his personal satisfaction was at the cost of others' health and well-being, and that is wrong IMO.
As to your first point, lets just agree to disagree on the issue of free will.
As to your second point, I think your premise is faulty. Let's look at the situation of say two people being lost in the wilderness. It gets to the point where you have to eat the other person to live. Your desire, in this case to continue living, takes precedence over the concerns of the other. You may even cause them extreme pain and emotional discomfort in your efforts to fulfill your want. How can you then arbitrarily draw the line as to when it isn't "right" for a desire of yours to take precedence over that of another?
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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Poid said: What makes you assume that imprisoning and raping his daughter was the only way that he could find happiness?
Perhaps that was poorly worded. It was a way for him to find happiness, and given his situation it was inevitable.
Why does his situation indicate that it was inevitable? He could've found happiness through other means without having to torture others.
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iThink said: It gave his personal experience some sort of satisfaction, and there is no objective basis for it being "wrong".
There is no objective right or wrong, I know this; his personal satisfaction was at the cost of others' health and well-being, and that is wrong IMO.
As to your first point, lets just agree to disagree on the issue of free will.
So you're telling me that, since you believe there is no free will, you also believe that this means people shouldn't be held responsible for their actions?
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iThink said: As to your second point, I think your premise is faulty. Let's look at the situation of say two people being lost in the wilderness. It gets to the point where you have to eat the other person to live. Your desire, in this case to continue living, takes precedence over the concerns of the other. You may even cause them extreme pain and emotional discomfort in your efforts to fulfill your want. How can you then arbitrarily draw the line as to when it isn't "right" for a desire of yours to take precedence over that of another?
This is a horrible analogy..you're assuming that he was suffering before he imprisoned his daughter, or that he would have suffered if he didn't imprison his daughter.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Poid]
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So you're telling me that, since you believe there is no free will, you also believe that this means people shouldn't be held responsible for their actios?
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Could you please refresh me as to where I said that? I am not opposing this guy being put in prison, I honestly couldn't care less what happens to him. What I am saying is that there is nothing "wrong" about what he did. We are just better off as a society blocking off certain actions with laws. The only reason I agree with that statement is because it benefits me personally.
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This is a horrible analogy..you're assuming that he was suffering before he imprisoned his daughter, or that he would have suffered if he didn't imprison his daughter.
So you think that someone who experienced those types of urges didn't suffer because of them? Do you not think this brought incredible agony as an adolescent? Hell, most people suffer a considerable amount even if they are "normal".
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How ironic that they will put him in prison and let people have sex with him against his will because he imprisoned somebody and had sex with them against their will.

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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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So you're telling me that, since you believe there is no free will, you also believe that this means people shouldn't be held responsible for their actios?
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I assumed that that was what you were implying.
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I agree that there is nothing objectively wrong with what he did, because there is no objective morality--most people, though (myself included), would personally consider what he did as being wrong (subjectively).
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This is a horrible analogy..you're assuming that he was suffering before he imprisoned his daughter, or that he would have suffered if he didn't imprison his daughter.
So you think that someone who experienced those types of urges didn't suffer because of them?
Not necessarily, no. They are just urges, many people can cope fine with not having all of their urges satisfied.
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I don't even know if he developed those urges by the time he became an adolescent, so I can't say..it's quite apparent that you are making many assumptions here.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Poid]
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Could you please refresh me as to where I said that? I am not opposing this guy being put in prison, I honestly couldn't care less what happens to him. What I am saying is that there is nothing "wrong" about what he did. We are just better off as a society blocking off certain actions with laws. The only reason I agree with that statement is because it benefits me personally.
It's not about laws, because those don't apply equally to everywhere. It's about imposing your wishes onto to someone without respecting the "consented" part. Comparing a situation of survival to this is completely unbalanced, this guy was married until he went to jail, he had several kids and had a specific obsession with that daughter to the point in which when she was old enough to run away he had to imprison her so she wouldn't, not only deprived her from a youth but repeatedly abused her for 24 years, made her live in a 55 m2 room and impregnated her with 8 children, and you think this has to do with morality?
Tell me one animal species in nature that commits such atrocities as humans do onto specimens of the same species? We call ourselves civilized, we differentiate ourselves from other animals because we allege to be rational and yet you think acting as a lower specie than an irrational one is completely normal?
So you don't think that some people have mental problems? "Being a pedophile is completely normal, raping 2 months babies is normal, that's what makes them happy".
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: pouihi]
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I no longer judge anyone doing something that I haven't experienced. My gut tells me it's wrong, but my gut also told me marijuana was horrible, evil drug and that shrooms were for lowlife drop-outs.
The way our society is becoming increasingly sexually orientated and hedonistic, I will honestly not be surprised if all these taboos will disappear over the coming decades.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: pouihi]
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It's not about laws, because those don't apply equally to everywhere. It's about imposing your wishes onto to someone without respecting the "consented" part. Comparing a situation of survival to this is completely unbalanced, this guy was married until he went to jail, he had several kids and had a specific obsession with that daughter to the point in which when she was old enough to run away he had to imprison her so she wouldn't, not only deprived her from a youth but repeatedly abused her for 24 years, made her live in a 55 m2 room and impregnated her with 8 children, and you think this has to do with morality?
Tell me one animal species in nature that commits such atrocities as humans do onto specimens of the same species? We call ourselves civilized, we differentiate ourselves from other animals because we allege to be rational and yet you think acting as a lower specie than an irrational one is completely normal?
So you don't think that some people have mental problems? "Being a pedophile is completely normal, raping 2 months babies is normal, that's what makes them happy".
What iThink is getting at with the survival thing is that the guy was ding what he "had" to do to survive. Even though what he did was far outside the realm of consensual acceptable behavior...it he had to do it and given the same set of circumstances he'd do it again.
Think about your own life...you've made choices that were sub"optimal". If you could have made better ones at the time why didn't you? Variations on a theme dude.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: pouihi]
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Bank voles, house finches, wolf spiders and certain fish species frequently devour their offspring. Female praying mantises eat the male after mating. Chimpanzees often hunt down members of other tribes, kill them, and take over their land.
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[Martin Muller] ran through the forest towards the noise; when he burst into a clearing he saw 10 chimpanzees had captured and killed another.
"The pounding that they were doing was on his body. The front of the chimpanzee was covered with 30 or 40 puncture wounds and lacerations, the ribs were sticking up out of the rib cage because they had beaten on his chest so hard. They had ripped his trachea out, they had removed his testicles, they had torn off toenails and fingernails. It was clear that some of the males had held him down, while the others attacked."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/3317461/Apes-of-war...-is-it-in-our-genes.html
Animals are certainly not incapable of committing atrocities on members of their own species.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Female praying mantises eat the male after mating.
This happens more commonly in mantises kept in captivity. Any of the situations you described happens with a purpose, be it territorial or whatever.
Killing you offspring is one thing, keeping it captive and copulating with it for 24 years is completely different. Besides, animals as said have an instinct that for some logical reason in their life cycle leads them to take those actions.
Humans have been calling themselves civilized for centuries, putting themselves in a pedestal above all other species yet they're the only that commit these atrocities onto others simply for hedonism.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: pouihi]
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It must be quite convenient to be capable of only acknowledging parts of an argument.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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The nitpicker's school, so popular around here, of dissecting opposing arguments into incoherent fragments would never fly in a serious debate.
Just saying.
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The nitpicker's school, so popular around here, of dissecting opposing arguments into incoherent fragments would never fly in a serious debate.
Just saying.
That was an error with the Shroomery. I just tried to quote what you said. The point of my statement was that you completely ignored one of decypher's sources.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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I did what now?
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: pouihi]
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Looks like hedonism to me.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Poid]
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Do animals suffer from guilty conscience?
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: pouihi]
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pouihi said: Female praying mantises eat the male after mating.
This happens more commonly in mantises kept in captivity. Any of the situations you described happens with a purpose, be it territorial or whatever.
Killing you offspring is one thing, keeping it captive and copulating with it for 24 years is completely different.
You completely ignored my quote about chimpanzees.
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Humans have been calling themselves civilized for centuries, putting themselves in a pedestal above all other species yet they're the only that commit these atrocities onto others simply for hedonism.
It looks to me like those chimpanzees mentioned in the article that I posted committed atrocities out of sheer hedonism, but who's to say the other animals I mentioned didn't?
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: deCypher]
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I stated for territorial purposes. They slaughtered the male alpha in order to have a new one. Was it violent? For sure, but male alphas are usually the strongest, and if you're going to kill one you might as well be sure it definitely gets killed.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Poid]
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Poid said: Looks like hedonism to me. 
"Usually a lion will not kill its own cubs. Male lions who take over another male's territory (after winning a fight) will usually kill the other male's cubs - this is to prevent the other male's genes from being passed down, and also because the lioness will usually go into heat almost immediately (nature has made them do this so that if their cubs die, they can have another family to replace them). The males have learned that they can pass along their own genes by killing the cubs of their rivals. It's not a nice thing to think about or watch, but that's the way animals act in order to survive in the wild."
I don't consider this hedonism, more survival of the fittest.
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It's possible that some do:
Animals can tell right from wrong
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Animals can tell right from wrong Animals possess a sense of morality that allows them to tell the difference between right and wrong, according to a controversial new book.
By Richard Gray, Science Correspondent 9:00PM BST 23 May 2009
Scientists studying animal behaviour believe they have growing evidence that species ranging from mice to primates are governed by moral codes of conduct in the same way as humans. Until recently, humans were thought to be the only species to experience complex emotions and have a sense of morality. But Prof Marc Bekoff, an ecologist at University of Colorado, Boulder, believes that morals are "hard-wired" into the brains of all mammals and provide the "social glue" that allow often aggressive and competitive animals to live together in groups. He has compiled evidence from around the world that shows how different species of animals appear to have an innate sense of fairness, display empathy and help other animals that are in distress. His conclusions will provide ammunition for animal welfare groups pushing to have animals treated more humanely, but some experts are sceptical about the extent to which animals can experience complex emotions and social responsibility. Prof Bekoff, who presents his case in a new book Wild Justice, said: "The belief that humans have morality and animals don't is a long-standing assumption, but there is a growing amount of evidence that is showing us that this simply cannot be the case. "Just as in humans, the moral nuances of a particular culture or group will be different from another, but they are certainly there. Moral codes are species specific, so they can be difficult to compare with each other or with humans." Prof Bekoff believes morals developed in animals to help regulate behaviour in social groups of animals such as wolves and primates. He claims that these rules help to control fighting within the group and encourage co-operative behaviour. Recent neurology work has also revealed that distantly related mammals such as whales and dolphins have the same structures in their brains that are thought to be responsible for empathy in humans. Other findings have also suggested that some animals may even be capable of showing empathy with the suffering of other species. Prof Bekoff, who co-wrote the book with moral philosopher Jessica Pierce, also from the University of Colorado, added: "There are cases of dolphins helping humans to escape from sharks and elephants that have helped antelope escape from enclosures. "While it is difficult to know for certain that there is cross species empathy, it is hard to argue against it." His ideas have met with some controversy in the scientific community, but many admit it is difficult to argue that animals do not share many of the psychological qualities previously only attributed to humans. Professor Frans de Waal, a primate behaviourist at Emory University, Atlanta, Georgia, said: "I don't believe animals are moral in the sense we humans are – with well developed and reasoned sense of right and wrong – rather that human morality incorporates a set of psychological tendencies and capacities such as empathy, reciprocity, a desire for co-operation and harmony that are older than our species. "Human morality was not formed from scratch, but grew out of our primate psychology. Primate psychology has ancient roots, and I agree that other animals show many of the same tendencies and have an intense sociality."
WOLVES
Wolves live in tight-knit social groups that are regulated by strict rules. If a pack grows too large, members are not able to bond closely enough and the pack disintegrates. Wolves also demonstrate fairness. During play, dominant wolves will "handicap" themselves by engaging in roll reversal with lower ranking wolves, showing submission and allowing them to bite, provided it is not too hard. Prof Bekoff argues that without a moral code governing their actions, this kind of behaviour would not be possible. If an animal bites too hard, it will initiate a "play bow" to ask forgiveness before play resumes.
COYOTES
In other members of the dog family, play is controlled by similar rules. Among coyotes, cubs which bite too hard are ostracised by the rest of the group and often end up having to leave entirely. "We looked at the mortality of these young animals who disperse from the group and they have four to five times higher mortality," said Bekoff. Experiments with domestic dogs, where one animal was given a treat and another denied, have shown that they posses a sense of fairness as they shared their treats.
ELEPHANTS
Elephants are intensely sociable and emotional animals. Research by Iain Douglas Hamilton, from the department of zoology at Oxford University, suggests elephants experience compassion and has found evidence of elephants helping injured or ill members of their herd. In one case, a Matriarch known as Eleanor fell ill and a female in the herd gently tried to help Eleanor back to her feet, staying with her before she died. In 2003, a herd of 11 elephants rescued antelope who were being held inside an enclosure in KwaZula-Natal, South Africa. The matriarch unfastened all of the metal latches holding the gates closed and swung the entrance open allowing the antelope to escape. This is thought to be a rare example of animals showing empathy for members of another species – a trait previously thought to be the exclusive preserve of mankind.
DIANA MONKEYS
A laboratory experiment trained Diana monkeys to insert a token into a slot to obtain food. A male who had grown to be adept at the task was found to be helping the oldest female who had not been able to learn how to insert the token. On three occasion the male monkey picked up tokens she dropped and inserted them into the slot and allowed her to have the food. As there was no benefit for the male monkey, Prof Bekoff argues that this is a clear example of an animal's actions being driven by some internal moral compass.
CHIMPANZEES
Known to be among the most cognitively advanced of the great apes and our closest cousin, it is perhaps not surprising that scientists should suggest they live by moral codes. A chimpanzee known as Knuckles – from the Centre for Great Apes in Florida – is the only known captive chimpanzee to suffer from cerebral palsy, which leaves him physically and mentally handicapped. Scientists have found that other chimpanzees in his group treat him differently and he is rarely subjected to intimidating displays of aggression from older males. Chimpanzees also demonstrate a sense of justice and those who deviate from the code of conduct of a group are set upon by other members as punishment.
RODENTS
Experiments with rats have shown that they will not take food if they know their actions will cause pain to another rat. In lab tests, rats were given food which then caused a second group of rats to receive an electric shock. The rats with the food stopped eating rather than see another rat receive a shock. Similarly, mice react more strongly to pain when they have seen another mouse in pain. Recent research from Switzerland also showed that rats will help a rat, to which it is not related, to obtain food if they themselves have benefited from the charity of others. This reciprocity was thought to be restricted to primates.
BATS
Vampire bats need to drink blood every night but it is common for some not to find any food. Those who are successful in foraging for blood will share their meal with bats who are not successful. They are more likely to share with bats who had previously shared with them. Prof Bekoff believes this reciprocity is a result of a sense of affiliation that binds groups of animals together. Some studies have shown that animals experience hormonal changes that lead them to "crave" social interaction. Biologists have also observed a female Rodrigues fruit-eating bat in Gainesville, Florida, helping another female to give birth by showing the pregnant female the correct birthing position – with head up and feed down.
WHALES
Whales have been found to have spindle cells in their brains. These very large and specialised cells were thought to be restricted to humans and other great apes and appear to play a role in empathy and understanding the feelings of others. Humpback whales, fin whales, killer whales and sperm whales have all been found to have spindle cells in the same areas of their brains. They also have three times as many spindle cells compared to humans and are thought to be older in evolutionary terms. This finding has suggested that complex emotional judgements such as empathy may have evolved considerably earlier in history than previously thought and could be widespread in the animal kingdom.
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Poid said: Looks like hedonism to me. 
"Usually a lion will not kill its own cubs. Male lions who take over another male's territory (after winning a fight) will usually kill the other male's cubs - this is to prevent the other male's genes from being passed down, and also because the lioness will usually go into heat almost immediately (nature has made them do this so that if their cubs die, they can have another family to replace them). The males have learned that they can pass along their own genes by killing the cubs of their rivals. It's not a nice thing to think about or watch, but that's the way animals act in order to survive in the wild."
I don't consider this hedonism, more survival of the fittest.
Do you not think humans have come along way since the dawn of our species?
Didn't humans, at one point, have to behave in extremely territorial and aggressive ways in order to survive?
If so, wouldn't it be easy for these tendencies to be passed down and then suppressed by culture allowing for the occasional slip up of this gene, guaranteeing that some people will inevitably commit such "violent and hedonistic" acts due to no "fault" of their own?
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: pouihi]
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Poid said: Looks like hedonism to me. 
"Usually a lion will not kill its own cubs. Male lions who take over another male's territory (after winning a fight) will usually kill the other male's cubs - this is to prevent the other male's genes from being passed down, and also because the lioness will usually go into heat almost immediately (nature has made them do this so that if their cubs die, they can have another family to replace them). The males have learned that they can pass along their own genes by killing the cubs of their rivals. It's not a nice thing to think about or watch, but that's the way animals act in order to survive in the wild."
I don't consider this hedonism, more survival of the fittest.
So he kills the cubs in order to have hot sex with a lioness? And you don't think this is hedonism? 
This is somewhat similar to the guy who imprisoned his daughter..just like how lions go through extreme measures to have sex (murdering several cubs), this guy went through extreme measures for the same thing (imprisoning his daughter). He had children with his daughter, just like how the lion will have cubs with the lioness.
Yeah, pretty similar.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Poid]
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Poid said: Looks like hedonism to me. 
"Usually a lion will not kill its own cubs. Male lions who take over another male's territory (after winning a fight) will usually kill the other male's cubs - this is to prevent the other male's genes from being passed down, and also because the lioness will usually go into heat almost immediately (nature has made them do this so that if their cubs die, they can have another family to replace them). The males have learned that they can pass along their own genes by killing the cubs of their rivals. It's not a nice thing to think about or watch, but that's the way animals act in order to survive in the wild."
I don't consider this hedonism, more survival of the fittest.
So he kills the cubs in order to have hot sex with a lioness? And you don't think this is hedonism? 
This is somewhat similar to the guy who imprisoned his daughter..just like how lions go through extreme measures to have sex (murdering several cubs), this guy went through extreme measures for the same thing (imprisoning his daughter). He had children with his daughter, just like how the lion will have cubs with the lioness.
Yeah, pretty similar. 
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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basically he kills the cubs for not having genes of other males being passed on to generations, also because by doing that the female will be receptive to sex, having more chances of spreading HIS genes.
So you don't believe that humans can be mentally disturbed? You think that a pedophile (which is the case, besides of rapist and enslaver), is just someone with latent instincts??
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: pouihi]
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pouihi said: basically he kills the cubs for not having genes of other males being passed on to generations, also because by doing that the female will be receptive to sex, having more chances of spreading HIS genes.
You think a lion is as concerned about spreading his genes as he is about getting laid? Lions also kill cubs in order to reduce future competition, making their lives easier..see, hedonism. 
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Strawman..I never suggested anything of the sort. As a matter of fact, I was arguing contrary to that position.
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pouihi said: You think that a pedophile (which is the case, besides of rapist and enslaver), is just someone with latent instincts??
What do you mean by "someone with latent instincts"? Pedophiles' brains are wired differently than the brains of non-pedophiles..if this is what you mean by "just someone with latent instincts", then yes, that's what I think.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Poid]
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Do you not think humans have come along way since the dawn of our species?
Didn't humans, at one point, have to behave in extremely territorial and aggressive ways in order to survive?
If so, wouldn't it be easy for these tendencies to be passed down and then suppressed by culture allowing for the occasional slip up of this gene, guaranteeing that some people will inevitably commit such "violent and hedonistic" acts due to no "fault" of their own?
That's what I meant by latent instincts.
I think an animal fighting for assuring his descendant is not hedonistic, it's instinct and natural law.
As an old fart banging is daughter and probably his sons/grandsons  According to some studies humans usually tend to choose partners with characteristics similar to them in order to pass them to their kids. Banging relatives is halfway for a sick kid.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: pouihi]
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pouihi said: Do you not think humans have come along way since the dawn of our species?
Didn't humans, at one point, have to behave in extremely territorial and aggressive ways in order to survive?
If so, wouldn't it be easy for these tendencies to be passed down and then suppressed by culture allowing for the occasional slip up of this gene, guaranteeing that some people will inevitably commit such "violent and hedonistic" acts due to no "fault" of their own?
That's what I meant by latent instincts.
So you're calling desires latent instincts?
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I'm not so sure lions are more concerned about ensuring that their genes get passed on as they are about having the opportunity to mate with a lioness..they are instinctually attracted to lionesses, and mating is pleasurable for them, this is why they're willing to commit acts of violence (which they presumably enjoy) in order to help ensure that they will have a chance to mate.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Poid]
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different pov
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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What is your basis for something being "justified"? In my opinion all that matters is the self. Everything we do is to satisfy a desire we have no matter how many conflicting desires we may be sensing. If you were so far from the norm and so ill as to come to the point where the only way you found happiness was through forced imprisonment and rape of your daughter, then I would do the exact same thing and feel completely justified in that position.
U gotta be kidding man
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Synapses-R-Us]
#14439866 - 05/12/11 12:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Please enlighten me as to how i'm wrong.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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iThink said: Please enlighten me as to how i'm wrong.
IDK how I can really "enlighten" you on this issue.... I mean does it really need enlightening?
I guess it all comes down to this.
Do you agree with the golden rule? Do you think it is a spectrum? (the reason I ask this is to differentiate between something petty like cutting in front of someone in traffic to get to work on time and something substantial like killing somebody because they are flirting with your gf) Do you agree that everyone has the right to (not that it always happens) live their life as they would like as long as it doesn't interfere with other's ability to live their life as they like?
If you answered yes to those questions then read on. If not than I'm not even going to waste my time discussing this with you
Child molestation (not even going to get into imprisoning and raping your daughter for 20 years) has severe, and predominantly negative, repercussions on the sexual and psychological development of a human being. Often subconsciously and consciously affecting the wellbeing of that person for hte rest of their natural life. They are then more likely to affect, again negatively, the development and wellbeing of others and so on so forth, creating a chain so the "instigator" doesn't only affect the person/s they are molesting but possibly many others. It doesn't matter if they "consent" to it, give a 4 year old a gun and tell them to point it at them self and pull the trigger, they will probably do it but is that really what they want?
Maybe you're arguing that they can't help it so how are they wrong in doing it, wrong is a very subjective term and I don't feel like arguing the term. I just know that it is "wrong" for people to get their lives fucked because someone else feels like fucking their lives. Just because a savage tiger can't help eating children, does that mean we should just let them roam the cities freely?
Idk if you really believe what you're saying to be true or if you are just playing the devil's advocate, if it's the latter than I guess I appreciate it as it promotes discussion, questioning, and deeper thinking, if the former than I guess good luck to you and anyone that happens to get in your way
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Synapses-R-Us]
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If not than I'm not even going to waste my time discussing this with you
It's always good to be honest about being closed minded.
Let me ask you this, how is the golden rule objectively good? How does it hold any true value, and how does its holding of this value (if any at all) make it such a thing that must be obeyed?
You are conflicting culturally dictated emotion with logic.
Also, people seem to think that because I recognize these things, I am some sort of sadistic asshole. This isn't true at all, I'm the kind of person who will catch bugs in my house to release them outside.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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iThink said: Also, people seem to think that because I recognize these things, I am some sort of sadistic asshole. This isn't true at all, I'm the kind of person who will catch bugs in my house to release them outside.
Yeah, I think it's hilarious that people get so offended by you recognizing these things that they make you out to be some sort of sadistic asshole..I'm curious as to why many people do this sort of thing...
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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thx haha... I thought this was a discussion about morals mainly but after reading more it turns out to be about more than that. I still can't really tell what the argument is about, the english language and hte subjectivity of it's terminology? How instincts can cause people to lock up their daughters and continuously bang them? The irrelevance of humanity and it's actions?
You seem to be looking very deeply at these things, almost too deeply. With your logic why should we live? Why don't we all just kill eachother and ourselves because at the end of the day, we're all going to die and whatever we did during our lievs with be absolutely insignificant. In the grand scheme there will is no difference between someone who raped, tortured and killed 100's of children and someone who saved millions.
But the way I see it is we are absolutely trapped in this human experience (unless we take the route I mentioned earlier) and it affects us significantly. And since we know how significant negative feelings and events are to us, we do our best to stay away from them and keep others away from them. We understand that having a "moral code" is the best way to ensure our not experiencing these terribly impactful emotions so we support it.
Edit: also since we are intelligent enough, unlike most other animals, to comprehend that other people experience the human experience same as us (sadness, happiness, pain, fear) and part of the human experience is sympathy towards others we are inclined to keep other away from those feelings we dislike. We are not trying to objectively define right and wrong, we're trying to make the best of what we're stuck with
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Synapses-R-Us]
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Synapses-R-Us said: thx haha... I thought this was a discussion about morals mainly but after reading more it turns out to be about more than that. I still can't really tell what the argument is about, the english language and hte subjectivity of it's terminology? How instincts can cause people to lock up their daughters and continuously bang them? The irrelevance of humanity and it's actions?
You seem to be looking very deeply at these things, almost too deeply. With your logic why should we live? Why don't we all just kill eachother and ourselves because at the end of the day, we're all going to die and whatever we did during our lievs with be absolutely insignificant. In the grand scheme there will is no difference between someone who raped, tortured and killed 100's of children and someone who saved millions.
But the way I see it is we are absolutely trapped in this human experience (unless we take the route I mentioned earlier) and it affects us significantly. And since we know how significant negative feelings and events are to us, we do our best to stay away from them and keep others away from them. We understand that having a "moral code" is the best way to ensure our not experiencing these terribly impactful emotions so we support it.
Edit: also since we are intelligent enough, unlike most other animals, to comprehend that other people experience the human experience same as us (sadness, happiness, pain, fear) and part of the human experience is sympathy towards others we are inclined to keep other away from those feelings we dislike. We are not trying to objectively define right and wrong, we're trying to make the best of what we're stuck with
The utter lack of objective meaning or value to the universe is why it is in my best interest to be completely selfish. My self is everything to me. When myself is gone there is nothing. I somewhat enjoy life, and I just don't see the point in expediting the onset of my final state.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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You're smarter than that tho, you know the world goes on around you. You know the world will continue to go on around you even after you achieve your final state so why ignore it. I could choose to be exactly like you and just not give two shits about nebody and go around throwing rocks at people out my car window because it's funny and robbing people's houses because it's an easy way to get free shit and it doesn't really matter. But I don't because I realize there is something greater than self, I'm part of a collective "entity" per se (humanity) and I'm hardwired to be part of it. So in being sympathetic I am indirectly pleasing myself.
Your outlook on life and the human experience seems quite depressing tbh but idk your true perspective
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Synapses-R-Us]
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Synapses-R-Us said: You're smarter than that tho, you know the world goes on around you. You know the world will continue to go on around you even after you achieve your final state so why ignore it. I could choose to be exactly like you and just not give two shits about nebody and go around throwing rocks at people out my car window because it's funny and robbing people's houses because it's an easy way to get free shit and it doesn't really matter. But I don't because I realize there is something greater than self, I'm part of a collective "entity" per se (humanity) and I'm hardwired to be part of it. So in being sympathetic I am indirectly pleasing myself.
Your outlook on life and the human experience seems quite depressing tbh but idk your true perspective
Explain to me how I am part of a "collective entity". I am even only temporarily human, as soon after death, my body decomposes, and the "self" ceases to exist at the moment of brain death.
You also fail to comprehend that being selfish doesn't necessarily entail acts generally viewed in a negative light. For me, the most happiness is achieved through both financial and emotional success, the latter of which requires interpersonal relationships where empathy is required.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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iThink said: Explain to me how I am part of a "collective entity". I am even only temporarily human, as soon after death, my body decomposes, and the "self" ceases to exist at the moment of brain death.
You also fail to comprehend that being selfish doesn't necessarily entail acts generally viewed in a negative light. For me, the most happiness is achieved through both financial and emotional success, the latter of which requires interpersonal relationships where empathy is required.
humanity. albeit a slow and disjointed one cuz of the lack of cooperation. What I'm saying is you can choose to be part of something insignificant, self, or you can choose to be part of something insignificant, yet more significant than self lol.
and yes I know as soon as I posted the comment I realized it might be misinterpreted but didn't think much of it. I was really stating examples of what would be easier to do with that mindset.
How do you, yourself, go about achieving emotional success involving empathy when you don't care for much more than self?
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Synapses-R-Us]
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You also fail to comprehend that being selfish doesn't necessarily entail acts generally viewed in a negative light. For me, the most happiness is achieved through both financial and emotional success, the latter of which requires interpersonal relationships where empathy is required.
humanity. albeit a slow and disjointed one cuz of the lack of cooperation. What I'm saying is you can choose to be part of something insignificant, self, or you can choose to be part of something insignificant, yet more significant than self lol.
and yes I know as soon as I posted the comment I realized it might be misinterpreted but didn't think much of it. I was really stating examples of what would be easier to do with that mindset.
How do you, yourself, go about achieving emotional success involving empathy when you don't care for much more than self?
How can anything matter more than the self? The self is all there is. It is a collection of experiences and observations which are your very being. Once they cease to exist nothing matters.
You need to realize that "morality" is no more than a character trait caused by evolution. Many other animals have some sort of "morality". Evolution is not some mystical process towards "enlightenment" either. It is only a natural process that increases overall reproduction within a species.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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iThink said: How can anything matter more than the self? The self is all there is. It is a collection of experiences and observations which are your very being. Once they cease to exist nothing matters.
You need to realize that "morality" is no more than a character trait caused by evolution. Many other animals have some sort of "morality". Evolution is not some mystical process towards "enlightenment" either. It is only a natural process that increases overall reproduction within a species.
Ok. you think in an egocentric way, I don't. That's really all that can be said about that part of the argument. Your opinions on your place in this world mimic that of a child
O trust me I fully understand morality, I don't think there is some "universal code" ingrained in the universe for the all the living things to follow, but it's there for a damn reason. Not only have humans been self-domesticating for thousands and thousands of years but they have been establishing cultural/social systems to make society, on average, a more hospitable and enjoyable place. The reason you can live life without constant lingering stress is because of the moral body we've set up over the generations, yet your going to take advantage of these benefits without abiding by the thing that created them?
I would really love for you to live in a world with people that share your same views and then see if you still agree with them
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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iThink said: Many other animals have some sort of "morality". Evolution is not some mystical process towards "enlightenment" either. It is only a natural process that increases overall reproduction within a species.
Yes it's def true that a basic moral structure is in place as a result of the group selection form of evolution. But why should that matter, it in no way changes the implications. Don't give all the credit to evolution though as most of the precise concepts of morality were set in place by us humans within the last 100,000 years, and again for a reason. Don't try to explain evolution to me I fully understand it
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iThink said: How can anything matter more than the self? The self is all there is. It is a collection of experiences and observations which are your very being. Once they cease to exist nothing matters.
You need to realize that "morality" is no more than a character trait caused by evolution. Many other animals have some sort of "morality". Evolution is not some mystical process towards "enlightenment" either. It is only a natural process that increases overall reproduction within a species.
Ok. you think in an egocentric way, I don't. That's really all that can be said about that part of the argument. Your opinions on your place in this world mimic that of a child
O trust me I fully understand morality, I don't think there is some "universal code" ingrained in the universe for the all the living things to follow, but it's there for a damn reason. Not only have humans been self-domesticating for thousands and thousands of years but they have been establishing cultural/social systems to make society, on average, a more hospitable and enjoyable place. The reason you can live life without constant lingering stress is because of the moral body we've set up over the generations, yet your going to take advantage of these benefits without abiding by the thing that created them?
I would really love for you to live in a world with people that share your same views and then see if you still agree with them
How many times do I have to tell you that I do not act in a way that would generally be considered "wrong"? I am a compassionate person who is kind and respectful to anyone I meet. You keep turning your argument into no more than an appeal to emotion. All you did was call me views childlike and say yours are different from mine, allowing you to segue into an appeal to emotion that consisted of saying the world would be a horrible place if everyone was like me.
How about trying to logically dismantle my argument?
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Synapses-R-Us]
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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I think that you have only stated your opinion. The fact that the things you advocate are illegal, would indicate that a lot of people don't think like you do. I know that I don't. I would kill and eat my friend to survive. Not everyone thinks "I am the only thing that matters" and is IMO anti-social behavior.
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Oh, no, not antisocial! Stop the woosery!
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Do you prefer the term sociopath?
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 1983]
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iThink said: How about trying to logically dismantle my argument?
I think that you have only stated your opinion. The fact that the things you advocate are illegal, would indicate that a lot of people don't think like you do. I know that I don't. I would kill and eat my friend to survive. Not everyone thinks "I am the only thing that matters" and is IMO anti-social behavior.
It seems like I can never discuss this topic without constant strawman arguments and appeals to emotion. I never said I advocate "breaking the law". I said that I understood why the father did what he did, and it was in no way inherently "wrong". For him, it very well may have been "right".
Everyone fails to understand that no matter what you believe, all that matters is the self. The difference is that some people make it so that experiences, or perceived experiences, of others are of huge importance to the self. This is not something they did due to any logical reasoning, but due to naturally instilled emotions and/or experiences that caused these natural emotions to grow. In the end you are still being selfish, the only difference is that your "self" craves subversion to the wills of others.
My self has been able to recognize this tendency of matter, so I am able to more clearly see what will benefit myself, and I'm also able to suppress empathy when it's effects will have a negative impact on me.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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iThink said: Let's look at the situation of say two people being lost in the wilderness. It gets to the point where you have to eat the other person to live. Your desire, in this case to continue living, takes precedence over the concerns of the other. You may even cause them extreme pain and emotional discomfort in your efforts to fulfill your want. How can you then arbitrarily draw the line as to when it isn't "right" for a desire of yours to take precedence over that of another?
I responded to this statement, which I mentioned. This behavior is not a given as you imply. Sorry yo break the news to you, but killing and eating your companion does happen to be against the law.
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Everyone fails to understand that no matter what you believe, all that matters is the self.
Yeah, I've heard it all before. Mother Teresa only helped people because it made her feel good. This may be true, but not everyone will suppress their empathy for their own self interest. I don't think this is something to be proud of.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 1983]
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iThink said: Let's look at the situation of say two people being lost in the wilderness. It gets to the point where you have to eat the other person to live. Your desire, in this case to continue living, takes precedence over the concerns of the other. You may even cause them extreme pain and emotional discomfort in your efforts to fulfill your want. How can you then arbitrarily draw the line as to when it isn't "right" for a desire of yours to take precedence over that of another?
I responded to this statement, which I mentioned. This behavior is not a given as you imply. Sorry yo break the news to you, but killing and eating your companion does happen to be against the law.
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Everyone fails to understand that no matter what you believe, all that matters is the self.
Yeah, I've heard it all before. Mother Teresa only helped people because it made her feel good. This may be true, but not everyone will suppress their empathy for their own self interest. I don't think this is something to be proud of.
Why is that something to be proud of? All I see is that you are another person who craves that feeling of subversion to others.
Secondly, when did I say that killing and eating your companion wasn't against the law? All I said is that I understand why these things happen and that they are not inherently "wrong". I don't "advocate" it, for things like this still go against my personal interest.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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Did you enjoy the film adaptation of Atlas Shrugged, iThink?
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
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The hollywood actor brad davis frequently had sex with his mother, and it seems to have been largely consensual. I have his biography "after midnight"
So maybe it is not as rare as it would seem. He was underage tho for most of it so maybe legally it was not consensual.
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I heard it was awful, and I don't find the book very good to begin with.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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What argument? The argument that since you don't have to personally feel other people's emotions you shouldn't care about them? idk why i even have to argue with you about that... I'm going to find you, and I'm going to lock you up, and I"m going to torture you, then I'm going to eat your legs and arms. Then maybe we can continue this discussion?
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Kickle]
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well, would you?
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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I mean if it's the only way I feel I could find happiness it's ok then right?
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Synapses-R-Us]
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Synapses-R-Us said: What argument? The argument that since you don't have to personally feel other people's emotions you shouldn't care about them? idk why i even have to argue with you about that... I'm going to find you, and I'm going to lock you up, and I"m going to torture you, then I'm going to eat your legs and arms. Then maybe we can continue this discussion?
Oh my god, it's like you have a disease that causes you to incessantly put forth appeals to emotion!
The reason you don't know why you even have to argue that is because it is something you have always assumed and never truly questioned in your closed off view of the world.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Synapses-R-Us]
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Synapses-R-Us said: I mean if it's the only way I feel I could find happiness it's ok then right?
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Synapses-R-Us]
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Synapses-R-Us said: I mean if it's the only way I feel I could find happiness it's ok then right?
What a surprise, another appeal to emotion. 
It is "ok" for you personally if that is the only way for you to find happiness. Does this mean that I need to personally accept and help you on your journey towards happiness? Of course not.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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Synapses-R-Us said: I mean if it's the only way I feel I could find happiness it's ok then right?
What a surprise, another appeal to emotion. 
It is "ok" for you personally if that is the only way for you to find happiness. Does this mean that I need to personally accept and help you on your journey towards happiness? Of course not.
you were the one talking about how it's ok to do anything if it improves your own wellbeing, why suddenly are you turning the emotion argument on me?
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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and u don't have to accept it. This doesn't involve you at all only me, since my self is all that matters to me if i want to eat ur legs I'm goign to do it
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Synapses-R-Us]
#14447079 - 05/13/11 06:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Synapses-R-Us said: and u don't have to accept it. This doesn't involve you at all only me, since my self is all that matters to me if i want to eat ur legs I'm goign to do it
Wow, you truly fail at reading comprehension.
First of all, how did I use an appeal to emotion?
Are you conflating my non-acceptance of your hypothetical choice with an appeal to emotion? Do you understand the meaning of an appeal to emotion?
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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You are not understanding my point.
I said that the things that you say are not "wrong" are illegal because a lot of people do think they are "wrong". Thus not everyone shares your opinion.
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This is nothing to be proud of, it is self-absorbed behavior.
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All I see is that you are another person who craves that feeling of subversion to others.

Logic can never give you a conscience, some people don't have them and can't understand them.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 1983]
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1983 said: You are not understanding my point.
I said that the things that you say are not "wrong" are illegal because a lot of people do think they are "wrong". Thus not everyone shares your opinion.
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iThink said: My self has been able to recognize this tendency of matter, so I am able to more clearly see what will benefit myself, and I'm also able to suppress empathy when it's effects will have a negative impact on me.
This is nothing to be proud of, it is self-absorbed behavior.
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All I see is that you are another person who craves that feeling of subversion to others.

Logic can never give you a conscience, some people don't have them and can't understand them.
Hahaha, are you really implying that I have no conscience? Do you just think I'm lying when I say I am a compassionate person?
Secondly, why should I not be proud of "self-absorbed" behavior?
Lastly, I understand not everyone shares my opinion, that's pretty evident. Were you trying to go somewhere with that point, or was that just some profound observation you had?
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 1983]
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1983 said: Logic can never give you a conscience, some people don't have them and can't understand them.
For truth.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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iThink said: Secondly, why should I not be proud of "self-absorbed" behavior?
You should use girl scouts as human shields and look in the mirror and tell your self how superior you and your mad logic skillz are.
We can continue this when you get out of high school.
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iThink said: Secondly, why should I not be proud of "self-absorbed" behavior?
You should use girl scouts as human shields and look in the mirror and tell your self how superior you and your mad logic skillz are.
We can continue this when you get out of high school.

Are you fucking me right now? Is this really what you call an argument? Your "refutation" of my point consisted of nothing more than an appeal to emotion followed by a personalism.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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Given the philosophy you've espoused throughout the thread, I'm not sure it would be an extraneous question to ask if you would hesitate to use a child as a human shield.
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Did you read this whole thread? I have said multiple times that I am a compassionate person who is kind and respectful to everyone I meet. I enjoy being friendly and social. It is what makes me personally happy. I just enjoy interpersonal relationships.
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I don't mean to impugn your character by device of that question, it's just an honest question. It stems naturally from your prior assertions about self-interest and moral relativity.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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iThink said: Are you fucking me right now? Is this really what you call an argument? Your "refutation" of my point consisted of nothing more than an appeal to emotion followed by a personalism.
Your icon is a personalism whether the moderators enforce it or not.
There is no refuting your point. I said before you either have a conscience or you don't. That can't be changed.
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Your icon is a personalism whether the moderators enforce it or not.
There is no refuting your point. I said before you either have a conscience or you don't. That can't be changed.
So your point is that I have no conscience?
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 1983]
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1983, you're new around here so you may not understand the rules. If you can't debate the topic without personalisms and involving the person you're debating with, then stay out of PS&P. Try the OTD forum where insulting each other and presenting emotional instead of rational arguments is how they debate there.
Debate the topic, not the person.
Consider this your warning.
Read the rest of the rules before you post here again:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4526664#4526664
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I enjoy debating, but the enjoyment quickly fades when the opposing "arguments" devolve into such drivel.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
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I don't know. It depends on if you would really do the things you say are not "wrong". If you would do them you probably don't have a conscience.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: evildee125]
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yea arguing on the internet is a waste of time
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 1983]
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It depends on if you would really do the things you say are not "wrong". If you would do them you probably don't have a conscience.
It doesn't matter one bit whether or not he would do those things. The topic is not his behavior. That's why it's off limits in this forum.
Debate the topic or go post personalisms in OTD where it's welcome, not here.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Diploid]
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give it a whirl 1983.. the OTD can actually be quite fun
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Diploid said: It depends on if you would really do the things you say are not "wrong". If you would do them you probably don't have a conscience.
It doesn't matter one bit whether or not he would do those things. The topic is not his behavior. That's why it's off limits in this forum.
Debate the topic or go post personalisms in OTD where it's welcome, not here.
He stated he would feel justified in doing what Josef Fritzl did. Then we can't talk about it any more because his behavior is not on topic.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 1983]
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He stated he would feel justified in doing what Josef Fritzl did. Then we can't talk about it any more because his behavior is not on topic.
That's right.
You can discuss Fritzl's behavior all day, but not iThink's behavior.
For all you can know, iThink doesn't even believe what he's posting. He may just be taking a Devil's Advocate position for the sake of debate. That's why he PERSONALLY is irrelevant and against the rules to introduce into the debate.
Those are the rules. Once again, if you don't like the rules, go away. There is no chain on your leg. Try the OTD forum. You may find it more to your liking.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Diploid] 1
#14447365 - 05/13/11 07:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Diploid said:
For all you can know, iThink doesn't even believe what he's posting. He may just be taking a Devil's Advocate position for the sake of debate. That's why he PERSONALLY is irrelevant and against the rules to introduce into the debate.
Then since he may not believe what he posts asking him if he does believe it is not allowed.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
#14447516 - 05/13/11 07:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't understand your hatred towards my involving of human emotion in my argument, I mean we're talking about morals here aren't we? I give up you just keep twisting my words around and arguing your stupid personal opinion, while I give reasons as to why morality exists. I'm not talking from a personal viewpoint here, but from the shared viewpoint of the majority of humans, understand? It's like I'm arguing why humans eat and you're arguing why you personally don't like to eat. We're obviously arguing on different levels here and it's annoying the shit out of me so I'm out, it was nice talking lol
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Synapses-R-Us]
#14447656 - 05/13/11 08:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Synapses-R-Us said: I don't understand your hatred towards my involving of human emotion in my argument, I mean we're talking about morals here aren't we? I give up you just keep twisting my words around and arguing your stupid personal opinion, while I give reasons as to why morality exists. I'm not talking from a personal viewpoint here, but from the shared viewpoint of the majority of humans, understand? It's like I'm arguing why humans eat and you're arguing why you personally don't like to eat. We're obviously arguing on different levels here and it's annoying the shit out of me so I'm out, it was nice talking lol
Mother Fucker this is a long thread...
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Synapses-R-Us]
#14447682 - 05/13/11 08:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Synapses-R-Us said: I don't understand your hatred towards my involving of human emotion in my argument, I mean we're talking about morals here aren't we? I give up you just keep twisting my words around and arguing your stupid personal opinion, while I give reasons as to why morality exists. I'm not talking from a personal viewpoint here, but from the shared viewpoint of the majority of humans, understand? It's like I'm arguing why humans eat and you're arguing why you personally don't like to eat. We're obviously arguing on different levels here and it's annoying the shit out of me so I'm out, it was nice talking lol
We are most definitely arguing on different levels.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 1983]
#14448188 - 05/13/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Then since he may not believe what he posts asking him if he does believe it is not allowed.
Involving him personally in any way is not allowed, that's right. Have you read the rules?
No one expects a sterile discussion, but your involving him is way past the line.
Follow the rules. They're not complicated. Either that or go away.
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#14453010 - 05/14/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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this aired two days ago on steve wilkos show....
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Diploid
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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: curious mouse]
#14453164 - 05/14/11 07:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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What a self-righteous prick that Wilkos guy is. Those two are adults having consensual sex and they're taking steps to prevent pregnancy.
Why does anything else matter? Who are they harming that makes their behavior a problem?
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