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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Poid]
    #14430570 - 05/10/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Looks like hedonism to me. :shrug:




"Usually a lion will not kill its own cubs. Male lions who take over another male's territory (after winning a fight) will usually kill the other male's cubs - this is to prevent the other male's genes from being passed down, and also because the lioness will usually go into heat almost immediately (nature has made them do this so that if their cubs die, they can have another family to replace them). The males have learned that they can pass along their own genes by killing the cubs of their rivals. It's not a nice thing to think about or watch, but that's the way animals act in order to survive in the wild."

I don't consider this hedonism, more survival of the fittest.


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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14430631 - 05/10/11 04:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Tchan909 said:
Do animals suffer from guilty conscience?


It's possible that some do:

Animals can tell right from wrong
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Animals can tell right from wrong
Animals possess a sense of morality that allows them to tell the difference between right and wrong, according to a controversial new book.

By Richard Gray, Science Correspondent 9:00PM BST 23 May 2009


Scientists studying animal behaviour believe they have growing evidence that species ranging from mice to primates are governed by moral codes of conduct in the same way as humans.
Until recently, humans were thought to be the only species to experience complex emotions and have a sense of morality.
But Prof Marc Bekoff, an ecologist at University of Colorado, Boulder, believes that morals are "hard-wired" into the brains of all mammals and provide the "social glue" that allow often aggressive and competitive animals to live together in groups.
He has compiled evidence from around the world that shows how different species of animals appear to have an innate sense of fairness, display empathy and help other animals that are in distress.
His conclusions will provide ammunition for animal welfare groups pushing to have animals treated more humanely, but some experts are sceptical about the extent to which animals can experience complex emotions and social responsibility.
Prof Bekoff, who presents his case in a new book Wild Justice, said: "The belief that humans have morality and animals don't is a long-standing assumption, but there is a growing amount of evidence that is showing us that this simply cannot be the case.
"Just as in humans, the moral nuances of a particular culture or group will be different from another, but they are certainly there. Moral codes are species specific, so they can be difficult to compare with each other or with humans."
Prof Bekoff believes morals developed in animals to help regulate behaviour in social groups of animals such as wolves and primates.
He claims that these rules help to control fighting within the group and encourage co-operative behaviour.
Recent neurology work has also revealed that distantly related mammals such as whales and dolphins have the same structures in their brains that are thought to be responsible for empathy in humans.
Other findings have also suggested that some animals may even be capable of showing empathy with the suffering of other species.
Prof Bekoff, who co-wrote the book with moral philosopher Jessica Pierce, also from the University of Colorado, added: "There are cases of dolphins helping humans to escape from sharks and elephants that have helped antelope escape from enclosures.
"While it is difficult to know for certain that there is cross species empathy, it is hard to argue against it."
His ideas have met with some controversy in the scientific community, but many admit it is difficult to argue that animals do not share many of the psychological qualities previously only attributed to humans.
Professor Frans de Waal, a primate behaviourist at Emory University, Atlanta, Georgia, said: "I don't believe animals are moral in the sense we humans are – with well developed and reasoned sense of right and wrong – rather that human morality incorporates a set of psychological tendencies and capacities such as empathy, reciprocity, a desire for co-operation and harmony that are older than our species.
"Human morality was not formed from scratch, but grew out of our primate psychology. Primate psychology has ancient roots, and I agree that other animals show many of the same tendencies and have an intense sociality."



WOLVES

Wolves live in tight-knit social groups that are regulated by strict rules. If a pack grows too large, members are not able to bond closely enough and the pack disintegrates. Wolves also demonstrate fairness.
During play, dominant wolves will "handicap" themselves by engaging in roll reversal with lower ranking wolves, showing submission and allowing them to bite, provided it is not too hard.
Prof Bekoff argues that without a moral code governing their actions, this kind of behaviour would not be possible. If an animal bites too hard, it will initiate a "play bow" to ask forgiveness before play resumes.


COYOTES

In other members of the dog family, play is controlled by similar rules. Among coyotes, cubs which bite too hard are ostracised by the rest of the group and often end up having to leave entirely.
"We looked at the mortality of these young animals who disperse from the group and they have four to five times higher mortality," said Bekoff.
Experiments with domestic dogs, where one animal was given a treat and another denied, have shown that they posses a sense of fairness as they shared their treats.


ELEPHANTS

Elephants are intensely sociable and emotional animals. Research by Iain Douglas Hamilton, from the department of zoology at Oxford University, suggests elephants experience compassion and has found evidence of elephants helping injured or ill members of their herd.
In one case, a Matriarch known as Eleanor fell ill and a female in the herd gently tried to help Eleanor back to her feet, staying with her before she died.
In 2003, a herd of 11 elephants rescued antelope who were being held inside an enclosure in KwaZula-Natal, South Africa.
The matriarch unfastened all of the metal latches holding the gates closed and swung the entrance open allowing the antelope to escape.
This is thought to be a rare example of animals showing empathy for members of another species – a trait previously thought to be the exclusive preserve of mankind.


DIANA MONKEYS

A laboratory experiment trained Diana monkeys to insert a token into a slot to obtain food.
A male who had grown to be adept at the task was found to be helping the oldest female who had not been able to learn how to insert the token.
On three occasion the male monkey picked up tokens she dropped and inserted them into the slot and allowed her to have the food.
As there was no benefit for the male monkey, Prof Bekoff argues that this is a clear example of an animal's actions being driven by some internal moral compass.


CHIMPANZEES

Known to be among the most cognitively advanced of the great apes and our closest cousin, it is perhaps not surprising that scientists should suggest they live by moral codes.
A chimpanzee known as Knuckles – from the Centre for Great Apes in Florida – is the only known captive chimpanzee to suffer from cerebral palsy, which leaves him physically and mentally handicapped.
Scientists have found that other chimpanzees in his group treat him differently and he is rarely subjected to intimidating displays of aggression from older males.
Chimpanzees also demonstrate a sense of justice and those who deviate from the code of conduct of a group are set upon by other members as punishment.


RODENTS

Experiments with rats have shown that they will not take food if they know their actions will cause pain to another rat. In lab tests, rats were given food which then caused a second group of rats to receive an electric shock.
The rats with the food stopped eating rather than see another rat receive a shock. Similarly, mice react more strongly to pain when they have seen another mouse in pain.
Recent research from Switzerland also showed that rats will help a rat, to which it is not related, to obtain food if they themselves have benefited from the charity of others. This reciprocity was thought to be restricted to primates.


BATS

Vampire bats need to drink blood every night but it is common for some not to find any food. Those who are successful in foraging for blood will share their meal with bats who are not successful.
They are more likely to share with bats who had previously shared with them. Prof Bekoff believes this reciprocity is a result of a sense of affiliation that binds groups of animals together.
Some studies have shown that animals experience hormonal changes that lead them to "crave" social interaction.
Biologists have also observed a female Rodrigues fruit-eating bat in Gainesville, Florida, helping another female to give birth by showing the pregnant female the correct birthing position – with head up and feed down.


WHALES

Whales have been found to have spindle cells in their brains. These very large and specialised cells were thought to be restricted to humans and other great apes and appear to play a role in empathy and understanding the feelings of others.
Humpback whales, fin whales, killer whales and sperm whales have all been found to have spindle cells in the same areas of their brains.
They also have three times as many spindle cells compared to humans and are thought to be older in evolutionary terms.
This finding has suggested that complex emotional judgements such as empathy may have evolved considerably earlier in history than previously thought and could be widespread in the animal kingdom.




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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: pouihi]
    #14430655 - 05/10/11 04:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Looks like hedonism to me. :shrug:




"Usually a lion will not kill its own cubs. Male lions who take over another male's territory (after winning a fight) will usually kill the other male's cubs - this is to prevent the other male's genes from being passed down, and also because the lioness will usually go into heat almost immediately (nature has made them do this so that if their cubs die, they can have another family to replace them). The males have learned that they can pass along their own genes by killing the cubs of their rivals. It's not a nice thing to think about or watch, but that's the way animals act in order to survive in the wild."

I don't consider this hedonism, more survival of the fittest.




Do you not think humans have come along way since the dawn of our species?

Didn't humans, at one point, have to behave in extremely territorial and aggressive ways in order to survive?

If so, wouldn't it be easy for these tendencies to be passed down and then suppressed by culture allowing for the occasional slip up of this gene, guaranteeing that some people will inevitably commit such "violent and hedonistic" acts due to no "fault" of their own?


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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: pouihi]
    #14430658 - 05/10/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Looks like hedonism to me. :shrug:




"Usually a lion will not kill its own cubs. Male lions who take over another male's territory (after winning a fight) will usually kill the other male's cubs - this is to prevent the other male's genes from being passed down, and also because the lioness will usually go into heat almost immediately (nature has made them do this so that if their cubs die, they can have another family to replace them). The males have learned that they can pass along their own genes by killing the cubs of their rivals. It's not a nice thing to think about or watch, but that's the way animals act in order to survive in the wild."

I don't consider this hedonism, more survival of the fittest.


So he kills the cubs in order to have hot sex with a lioness? And you don't think this is hedonism? :lol:

This is somewhat similar to the guy who imprisoned his daughter..just like how lions go through extreme measures to have sex (murdering several cubs), this guy went through extreme measures for the same thing (imprisoning his daughter). He had children with his daughter, just like how the lion will have cubs with the lioness.


Yeah, pretty similar. :shrug:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Poid]
    #14430680 - 05/10/11 04:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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pouihi said:
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Poid said:
Looks like hedonism to me. :shrug:




"Usually a lion will not kill its own cubs. Male lions who take over another male's territory (after winning a fight) will usually kill the other male's cubs - this is to prevent the other male's genes from being passed down, and also because the lioness will usually go into heat almost immediately (nature has made them do this so that if their cubs die, they can have another family to replace them). The males have learned that they can pass along their own genes by killing the cubs of their rivals. It's not a nice thing to think about or watch, but that's the way animals act in order to survive in the wild."

I don't consider this hedonism, more survival of the fittest.


So he kills the cubs in order to have hot sex with a lioness? And you don't think this is hedonism? :lol:

This is somewhat similar to the guy who imprisoned his daughter..just like how lions go through extreme measures to have sex (murdering several cubs), this guy went through extreme measures for the same thing (imprisoning his daughter). He had children with his daughter, just like how the lion will have cubs with the lioness.


Yeah, pretty similar. :shrug:



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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
    #14430724 - 05/10/11 04:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

basically he kills the cubs for not having genes of other males being passed on to generations, also because by doing that the female will be receptive to sex, having more chances of spreading HIS genes.

So you don't believe that humans can be mentally disturbed?
You think that a pedophile (which is the case, besides of rapist and enslaver), is just someone with latent instincts??


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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: pouihi]
    #14430750 - 05/10/11 04:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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basically he kills the cubs for not having genes of other males being passed on to generations, also because by doing that the female will be receptive to sex, having more chances of spreading HIS genes.


You think a lion is as concerned about spreading his genes as he is about getting laid? Lions also kill cubs in order to reduce future competition, making their lives easier..see, hedonism. :shrug:


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So you don't believe that humans can be mentally disturbed?


Strawman..I never suggested anything of the sort. As a matter of fact, I was arguing contrary to that position.


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You think that a pedophile (which is the case, besides of rapist and enslaver), is just someone with latent instincts??


What do you mean by "someone with latent instincts"? Pedophiles' brains are wired differently than the brains of non-pedophiles..if this is what you mean by "just someone with latent instincts", then yes, that's what I think.


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Poid]
    #14430790 - 05/10/11 04:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Do you not think humans have come along way since the dawn of our species?

Didn't humans, at one point, have to behave in extremely territorial and aggressive ways in order to survive?

If so, wouldn't it be easy for these tendencies to be passed down and then suppressed by culture allowing for the occasional slip up of this gene, guaranteeing that some people will inevitably commit such "violent and hedonistic" acts due to no "fault" of their own?


That's what I meant by latent instincts.

I think an animal fighting for assuring his descendant is not hedonistic, it's instinct and natural law.

As an old fart banging is daughter and probably his sons/grandsons :confused:
According to some studies humans usually tend to choose partners with characteristics similar to them in order to pass them to their kids.
Banging relatives is halfway for a sick kid.


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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: pouihi]
    #14430852 - 05/10/11 05:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Do you not think humans have come along way since the dawn of our species?

Didn't humans, at one point, have to behave in extremely territorial and aggressive ways in order to survive?

If so, wouldn't it be easy for these tendencies to be passed down and then suppressed by culture allowing for the occasional slip up of this gene, guaranteeing that some people will inevitably commit such "violent and hedonistic" acts due to no "fault" of their own?


That's what I meant by latent instincts.


So you're calling desires latent instincts?


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I think an animal fighting for assuring his descendant is not hedonistic, it's instinct and natural law.


I'm not so sure lions are more concerned about ensuring that their genes get passed on as they are about having the opportunity to mate with a lioness..they are instinctually attracted to lionesses, and mating is pleasurable for them, this is why they're willing to commit acts of violence (which they presumably enjoy) in order to help ensure that they will have a chance to mate.


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Poid]
    #14430870 - 05/10/11 05:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

different pov :shrug:


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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
    #14439762 - 05/12/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I personally don't feel that being fucked up in the head justifies incestual rape and/or forced imprisonment. :shrug:




What is your basis for something being "justified"? In my opinion all that matters is the self. Everything we do is to satisfy a desire we have no matter how many conflicting desires we may be sensing. If you were so far from the norm and so ill as to come to the point where the only way you found happiness was through forced imprisonment and rape of your daughter, then I would do the exact same thing and feel completely justified in that position.




U gotta be kidding man


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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Synapses-R-Us]
    #14439866 - 05/12/11 12:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Please enlighten me as to how i'm wrong.


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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
    #14440681 - 05/12/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Please enlighten me as to how i'm wrong.



IDK how I can really "enlighten" you on this issue.... I mean does it really need enlightening?

I guess it all comes down to this.

Do you agree with the golden rule? Do you think it is a spectrum? (the reason I ask this is to differentiate between something petty like cutting in front of someone in traffic to get to work on time and something substantial like killing somebody because they are flirting with your gf) Do you agree that everyone has the right to (not that it always happens) live their life as they would like as long as it doesn't interfere with other's ability to live their life as they like?

If you answered yes to those questions then read on. If not than I'm not even going to waste my time discussing this with you

Child molestation (not even going to get into imprisoning and raping your daughter for 20  years) has severe, and predominantly negative, repercussions on the sexual and psychological development of a human being. Often subconsciously and consciously affecting the wellbeing of that person for hte rest of their natural life. They are then more likely to affect, again negatively, the development and wellbeing of others and so on so forth, creating a chain so the "instigator" doesn't only affect the person/s they are molesting but possibly many others. It doesn't matter if they "consent" to it, give a 4 year old a gun and tell them to point it at them self and pull the trigger, they will probably do it but is that really what they want?

Maybe you're arguing that they can't help it so how are they wrong in doing it, wrong is a very subjective term and I don't feel like arguing the term. I just know that it is "wrong" for people to get their lives fucked because someone else feels like fucking their lives. Just because a savage tiger can't help eating children, does that mean we should just let them roam the cities freely?

Idk if you really believe what you're saying to be true or if you are just playing the devil's advocate, if it's the latter than I guess I appreciate it as it promotes discussion, questioning, and deeper thinking, if the former than I guess good luck to you and anyone that happens to get in your way


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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Synapses-R-Us]
    #14440920 - 05/12/11 04:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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If not than I'm not even going to waste my time discussing this with you




It's always good to be honest about being closed minded.

Let me ask you this, how is the golden rule objectively good? How does it hold any true value, and how does its holding of this value (if any at all) make it such a thing that must be obeyed?

You are conflicting culturally dictated emotion with logic.

Also, people seem to think that because I recognize these things, I am some sort of sadistic asshole. This isn't true at all, I'm the kind of person who will catch bugs in my house to release them outside.


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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
    #14441040 - 05/12/11 05:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Also, people seem to think that because I recognize these things, I am some sort of sadistic asshole. This isn't true at all, I'm the kind of person who will catch bugs in my house to release them outside.


Yeah, I think it's hilarious that people get so offended by you recognizing these things that they make you out to be some sort of sadistic asshole..I'm curious as to why many people do this sort of thing...:strokebeard:


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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
    #14441087 - 05/12/11 05:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

thx haha... I thought this was a discussion about morals mainly but after reading more it turns out to be about more than that. I still can't really tell what the argument is about, the english language and hte subjectivity of it's terminology? How instincts can cause people to lock up their daughters and continuously bang them? The irrelevance of humanity and it's actions?

You seem to be looking very deeply at these things, almost too deeply. With your logic why should we live? Why don't we all just kill eachother and ourselves because at the end of the day, we're all going to die and whatever we did during our lievs with be absolutely insignificant. In the grand scheme there will is no difference between someone who raped, tortured and killed 100's of children and someone who saved millions.

But the way I see it is we are absolutely trapped in this human experience (unless we take the route I mentioned earlier) and it affects us significantly. And since we know how significant negative feelings and events are to us, we do our best to stay away from them and keep others away from them. We understand that having a "moral code" is the best way to ensure our not experiencing these terribly impactful emotions so we support it.

Edit: also since we are intelligent enough, unlike most other animals, to comprehend that other people experience the human experience same as us (sadness, happiness, pain, fear) and part of the human experience is sympathy towards others we are inclined to keep other away from those feelings we dislike. We are not trying to objectively define right and wrong, we're trying to make the best of what we're stuck with


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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Synapses-R-Us]
    #14441157 - 05/12/11 05:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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thx haha... I thought this was a discussion about morals mainly but after reading more it turns out to be about more than that. I still can't really tell what the argument is about, the english language and hte subjectivity of it's terminology? How instincts can cause people to lock up their daughters and continuously bang them? The irrelevance of humanity and it's actions?

You seem to be looking very deeply at these things, almost too deeply. With your logic why should we live? Why don't we all just kill eachother and ourselves because at the end of the day, we're all going to die and whatever we did during our lievs with be absolutely insignificant. In the grand scheme there will is no difference between someone who raped, tortured and killed 100's of children and someone who saved millions.

But the way I see it is we are absolutely trapped in this human experience (unless we take the route I mentioned earlier) and it affects us significantly. And since we know how significant negative feelings and events are to us, we do our best to stay away from them and keep others away from them. We understand that having a "moral code" is the best way to ensure our not experiencing these terribly impactful emotions so we support it.

Edit: also since we are intelligent enough, unlike most other animals, to comprehend that other people experience the human experience same as us (sadness, happiness, pain, fear) and part of the human experience is sympathy towards others we are inclined to keep other away from those feelings we dislike. We are not trying to objectively define right and wrong, we're trying to make the best of what we're stuck with




The utter lack of objective meaning or value to the universe is why it is in my best interest to be completely selfish. My self is everything to me. When myself is gone there is nothing. I somewhat enjoy life, and I just don't see the point in expediting the onset of my final state.


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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
    #14441271 - 05/12/11 05:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You're smarter than that tho, you know the world goes on around you. You know the world will continue to go on around you even after you achieve your final state so why ignore it. I could choose to be exactly like you and just not give two shits about nebody and go around throwing rocks at people out my car window because it's funny and robbing people's houses because it's an easy way to get free shit and it doesn't really matter. But I don't because I realize there is something greater than self, I'm part of a collective "entity" per se (humanity) and I'm hardwired to be part of it. So in being sympathetic I am indirectly pleasing myself.

Your outlook on life and the human experience seems quite depressing tbh but idk your true perspective


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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: Synapses-R-Us]
    #14441423 - 05/12/11 06:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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You're smarter than that tho, you know the world goes on around you. You know the world will continue to go on around you even after you achieve your final state so why ignore it. I could choose to be exactly like you and just not give two shits about nebody and go around throwing rocks at people out my car window because it's funny and robbing people's houses because it's an easy way to get free shit and it doesn't really matter. But I don't because I realize there is something greater than self, I'm part of a collective "entity" per se (humanity) and I'm hardwired to be part of it. So in being sympathetic I am indirectly pleasing myself.

Your outlook on life and the human experience seems quite depressing tbh but idk your true perspective




Explain to me how I am part of a "collective entity". I am even only temporarily human, as soon after death, my body decomposes, and the "self" ceases to exist at the moment of brain death.

You also fail to comprehend that being selfish doesn't necessarily entail acts generally viewed in a negative light. For me, the most happiness is achieved through both financial and emotional success, the latter of which requires interpersonal relationships where empathy is required.


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Re: How come nobody has sex with their parents? [Re: 4896744]
    #14441621 - 05/12/11 07:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Explain to me how I am part of a "collective entity". I am even only temporarily human, as soon after death, my body decomposes, and the "self" ceases to exist at the moment of brain death.

You also fail to comprehend that being selfish doesn't necessarily entail acts generally viewed in a negative light. For me, the most happiness is achieved through both financial and emotional success, the latter of which requires interpersonal relationships where empathy is required.




humanity. albeit a slow and disjointed one cuz of the lack of cooperation. What I'm saying is you can choose to be part of something insignificant, self, or you can choose to be part of something insignificant, yet more significant than self lol.

and yes I know as soon as I posted the comment I realized it might be misinterpreted but didn't think much of it. I was really stating examples of what would be easier to do with that mindset.

How do you, yourself, go about achieving emotional success involving empathy when you don't care for much more than self?


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