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1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected.
    #14419608 - 05/08/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.newson6.com/story/14593137/1-dead-7-injured-in-mass-drug-overdose-in-konawata?redirected=true

ONAWA, Oklahoma -- At least one person is dead and others are injured after more than a half-dozen people overdosed on an ecstasy-like drug in Konawa.

The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation said a 911 call early Saturday morning led authorities to the scene.

Upon arrival, they found eight young adults--ranging in age from 19 to their early 20s--suffering from severe drug toxicity from the substance 2C-E. The drug is described as a powerful hallucinogenic similar to ecstasy.

One victim was transported to a Seminole hospital where she was pronounced dead. Seven others remain in the hospital, with two of them in critical condition.

One of the seven victims includes a woman named Madison Wolf, who we are told remains in an induced coma after she consumed the psychedelic drug.

"It can increase body temperature, it can cause hallucinations; it is a synthetic designer drug. Part of this 2-C family is designated by the DEA as a controlled substance, other parts are not," said CBS News Medical Correspondent Dr. Jennifer Ashton.

The drug, OSBI officials say, is similar to other wildly popular drugs.

"It's accessible online, and people can be lulled into false sense of security by thinking, look if I can get it on the internet it must be safe, obviously as we see here it can be deadly," said Dr. Ashton.

The drug has already killed a teen in Minnesota and now at least one other in Konawa.

The man who authorities suspect supplied the drug, 20-year-old Cody Weddle, was arrested while visiting one of the victims at the hospital. Weddle is facing first degree murder charges.

The Seminole County Sheriff's Office requested OSBI assistance. Pontotoc County Sheriff's Office and the Ada Police Department have also aided in this case.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: 2ndChancesRDivine]
    #14419616 - 05/08/11 01:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

This whole thing is full of facepalm. I don't even know what to say.

Fucking idiots. I feel no remorse.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: 2ndChancesRDivine]
    #14419622 - 05/08/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

....at first i was going to say old news.....

....and then i found the nearest brick and proceeded to smash my skull in over THE RAGE THAT IS BROUGHT UPON ME BY HUMANITIES FUCKING IDIOCY!


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: 2ndChancesRDivine]
    #14419636 - 05/08/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'd like to point out that apparently the guy in question cooked the drug up himself. (read the comments)

EDIT: After more research, other news reports say he bought the drug from China, and put it into a liquid solution.

I am furious over how they are associating this drug with ecstasy when it is more related to mescaline.

2C-E is 2,5-dimethoxy-4ethanophenethyamine and mescaline is 3,4,5-trimethoxyphenethylamine.

MDMA is 3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine which may be similar in these molecules that it has a benzene ring and a phenethylamine structure, as amphetamine is alpha methyl phenthethylamine...

But of course not one of these articles even mentioned erowid.org, which is a double edge sword in a way as it might actually make irresponsible people aware of other easily obtainable substances and then they in turn go out and kill themselves or other people using one of those, but at least there is good info for the ones who are intelligent.

I'm wondering if there are bad batches of 2C-E floating around, because this chemical has been pretty popular for a while and we've just been seeing deaths in the last couple of months..


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14419669 - 05/08/11 01:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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"It's accessible online, and people can be lulled into false sense of security by thinking, look if I can get it on the internet it must be safe, obviously as we see here it can be deadly," said Dr. Ashton.




Maybe if these psychedelics weren't such taboos kids wouldn't be overdosing on RCs because they could take some low-toxicity LSD or Psilocybin instead.

Assuming they even did OD on some 2c-x. Since these things are almost totally unregulated due to prohibition there's really no telling what exactly they got. This is not all too unfathomable, either as I've even heard of people ordering 2c's online and getting a DOx by accident (and I'd imagine this sort of mistake is even more common if you buy it off the street).


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. *DELETED* [Re: 2ndChancesRDivine]
    #14419693 - 05/08/11 01:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: mikehauncho]
    #14419732 - 05/08/11 01:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It was probably just a combination of cough syrup and benadryl that he stuck in the microwave and cooked on "potato".


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Remix]
    #14419810 - 05/08/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Pretty sad, I dont like reading about kids that never even had a chance to experience the fun you can without even taking drugs. Want a high? try skydiving, your brain will produce enough endorphins to last you a month.

Chems should be purchased from established chemists who devote their lives to the practice, not some melon head brewing the shit in a bath tub and selling it online.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: HybridprX]
    #14419916 - 05/08/11 02:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I guarantee you it was one of two scenarios.

1. Large batch of unknown research chemical is mislabeled as 2c-i and sent out to various customers. A year or two ago, a company sent out a large batch of Bromo Dragonfly mislabeled as 2bc-Fly. Bromo Dragonfly is much more potent than 2c-b fly, so most people who took the drug ended up overdosing.

2 (this is more likely): Dumbass kids ate a whole gram of it because they're too stupid to look up the correct dosages. HURR DURR IM GONNA EAT A HWOLE GRAM OF THIS SHIT AND GET UBER FUCKED UP LOLOLOL D3RP

These lawmakers need to be blaming the kids, not the drug. If I took a whole bottle of aspirin and died, would aspirin get banned? No, I'd get called a dumbass for taking too much of it. It's my own fault, not the aspirin company's fault. 2c-i is perfectly safe if you only take 20 mg of it. If anyone should be blamed, it's the company that sold the drug. They should have put correct dosage information on the packaging.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: eqt146]
    #14420031 - 05/08/11 03:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

There have been MANY reports of people accidentally taking over 400mg and living, their doses must have been massive.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: bbl337]
    #14420095 - 05/08/11 03:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Not only massive, but expensive.

I'm 99% convinced now that there's a mislabeled batch of 2c-i going around. It's gotta be either DOx or bromo d-fly. The police need to start analyzing these drugs and pin down where they're coming from, or we're going to be having far more deaths soon.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: eqt146]
    #14420191 - 05/08/11 03:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Not only massive, but expensive.




a gram of 2c-e isnt that expensive.

its cheaper than a night of mild coke use assuming your vendor doesnt suck balls.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: 2ndChancesRDivine] * 1
    #14420204 - 05/08/11 03:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The man who authorities suspect supplied the drug, 20-year-old Cody Weddle, was arrested while visiting one of the victims at the hospital. Weddle is facing first degree murder charges.




That's fucked up. I'm so tired of them pressing murder charges on people that supply drugs. You don't see alcohol companies with murder charges pressed on them when a guy shoots himself or dies from alcohol poisoning.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: destructo_low]
    #14420239 - 05/08/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

sounds like they are planning on making something illegal soon


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: danlennon3]
    #14420301 - 05/08/11 04:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

get yoself a milli scale and go eazy.

WTF?!


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: danlennon3]
    #14420316 - 05/08/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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sounds like they are planning on making something illegal soon




Fuck 'em. Like it will change anything. Fifty years from now, and the 2C's will still be around somewhat.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: destructo_low]
    #14420361 - 05/08/11 04:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

fifty years from now, 10c-X's will be around.... Because by then, they will make the safer 2c's, 3c's, 4c's, 5c's, 6c's, 7c's, 8c's and 9c's illegal!


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: danlennon3]
    #14420452 - 05/08/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Taking a shower can be deadly too... lets ban being able to shower because it's potentially deadly!!!


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #14420487 - 05/08/11 04:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The sun definitely needs a banning. I hear that motherfucking piece of shit gasball will eventually destroy this whole planet. As a concerned parent I can't have my kid getting incinerated just because of physical laws.

We should ban the phenomenon of fire, aswell - as it is an analogue of the sun.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Remix]
    #14420719 - 05/08/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:rockon:


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: destructo_low]
    #14421183 - 05/08/11 07:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

looks like 2c's are def gonna be scheduled now...


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: SummerDaisies]
    #14425959 - 05/09/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

really wondering how long it's gonna take canada to ban em now... what a fucking shame :nonono:

and I JUST found hookups for this shit few months ago... at least I got to experiment with em a couple times I guess :shrug:


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: LuSiD9]
    #14426378 - 05/09/11 07:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

well 2c-b is around and its illegal so i am sure you will still see them some, just not a lot


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: SummerDaisies]
    #14426457 - 05/09/11 07:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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looks like 2c's are def gonna be scheduled now...



and you have her to thank

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s112-839


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: learningtofly]
    #14427607 - 05/09/11 11:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So get this shit...

Apparently, the person that actually mixed and distributed the drug was one of the people at the party who is still hospitalized.  As of now, he's not charged with anything.

But the guy who sold it to him?  Who wasn't at the party and was at WORK when this all happened?  He's the one charged with first degree murder.

In what fucking universe does that make sense.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Johnny Springfield]
    #14427670 - 05/10/11 12:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Its the bible belt. They think the Earth is 6 thousand years old and was created in 7 days. I know, I live here. It sucks. The more people who die in Oklahoma (for the most part) the better, imo.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Joolz]
    #14428254 - 05/10/11 04:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Check this out.  It may legitimately not have been 2c-e this time.  Not that that will do any good about it getting banned, but still.

If this isn't B.S. and they really followed those instructions, then there's no way that this was 2c-e, or it was contaminated with something else.

http://newsok.com/ada-man-arraigned-in-death-of-woman-who-ingested-drug/article/3566415

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Weddle on April 26 bought one gram of 2C-E powder for $120 from a website, District 22 Drug and Violent Crime Task Force Agent Josh Dean wrote in a probable cause affidavit. Weddle told investigators the drug is supposed to cause effects similar to the drug Ecstasy.

The drug arrived at Weddle’s parents’ post office box Friday, and Weddle, Jewell and Andrew Akerman, whose age was not released, went to Jewell’s house in Ada to dilute it in a liter of water, Dean wrote.

Weddle took about 45 milliliters of the mixture home with him, and Jewell and Akerman took the rest to a party, according to the affidavit. Jewell and Akerman were to sell the drug for $15 for 15 milliliters, and it was then supposed to be further diluted in 20 ounces of water.




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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Johnny Springfield]
    #14428265 - 05/10/11 04:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

But then I found this... WTF man...  I wish the goddamn reporters would actually do their job and find out what happened.

http://www.kfor.com/news/local/kfor-news-party-overdose-death-hospital-story,0,6651926.story

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As Weddle made a video appearance before a judge at the Pontotoc County jail, Jewell's mother couldn't believe her eyes.

"This child used to come to my house and visit," Lida Beckman said.

According to an affidavit from the district attorney's Drug and Violent Crimes Task Force, Waddle told authorities he bought 2C-E online, mixed it with water at Jewell's house, then had it delivered to the party by another friend, Andrew Akerman.

Beckman says her daughter knew the drug would be at the party, but promised her she would not take it.

"She goes, 'Don't worry about it. They just decided to mix it with water and hope it was the right dosage,'" Beckman recalled her daughter saying.




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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: 2ndChancesRDivine]
    #14428294 - 05/10/11 05:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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VizualDistorshon said:
I'm wondering if there are bad batches of 2C-E floating around, because this chemical has been pretty popular for a while and we've just been seeing deaths in the last couple of months..




I don't know if I'm allowed to post it here, but one of the news articles I found this morning listed the website where the kid in Oklahoma bought his 2C-E.  (Mod clarification please?)

I'm going to try and find out if the case in Minnesota was from the same vendor.  If it was, then we'd know for sure there's a bad or mislabeled batch of 2C-E coming from a specific vendor and we could warn people.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Johnny Springfield]
    #14428386 - 05/10/11 06:01 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Theyve been looking at making this illegal since around late 90s or so. its just that the 2c has so many subs. Ive seen loads of deaths in the RCscene every year since 2002. 2cb is the only illegal almost everhwhere worldwide, the weakest of them all. go fugure.

Many of these ODs come from peole mistaking it for other powders like speed or coke, and in their junkiestate they decide to sniff it all. Even heard about dealers mistakingly shooting someone up with 300-350mg of 2cI instead of speed. he lived, barely.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: lasdR]
    #14428937 - 05/10/11 09:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

So wait... THE MOM KNEW!?!?! She was crying her eyes out on their evening news. Great parenting. Jesus Christ.

According to reports, 1gram was diluted into 1 liter of water, and the guy who bought the chem took 45ml for himself.

1000mg/1000ml ~ 1mg/ml

1000ml - 45ml = 955ml so there was a total of 955mg of 2C-E at that party. There are no reports of any of the substance being recovered from the incident so we might assume that all 955ml was ingested.

If all eight people tried that drug, 955mg/8 people = 119.3mg per person which IS WAY more than what should have been taken for effects.

They were supposed to sell the drug for $15/15ml (or about 1/2 of a fluid ounce) = 15mg which is a responsible dose. I wonder what went wrong.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: 2ndChancesRDivine]
    #14428955 - 05/10/11 09:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

the obviously fucked up the math or someone dosed out way more than they needed


seriously sad and terrible tho...

cant believe any of you would say its good these kids died or that more people in that state should die... who the fuck are you people? do you have no heart and no family? Think about if this was someone very close to you that was now dead... I guarantee you wouldn't have the same outlook


"oh fuck these kids died so now i cant order drugs of the internet as easy!" cry me a river and learn whats up


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: SummerDaisies]
    #14429033 - 05/10/11 09:42 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

^Seriously. They probably made a mistake dosing, true, but everyone makes mistakes. I'm sure many of us have had close calls with drugs/things we didn't do entirely properly. People need to have some fucking compassion.

Also, one of the news articles said the drug was purchased for $120/gram, so while I can't give out the source, I wouldn't buy anything from a source selling 2c-e at that price (it's a rip-off anyway; you can find grams for $70 easy).


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: 2ndChancesRDivine]
    #14429099 - 05/10/11 10:05 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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According to reports, 1gram was diluted into 1 liter of water, and the guy who bought the chem took 45ml for himself.

1000mg/1000ml ~ 1mg/ml

1000ml - 45ml = 955ml so there was a total of 955mg of 2C-E at that party. There are no reports of any of the substance being recovered from the incident so we might assume that all 955ml was ingested.




That's what I can't figure.

They at least KNEW they were supposed to put it in 1000ml of water and dose out 15ml per person.  One news story says they did that, then a conflicting news story says the mom says the daughter said they just eyeballed the liquid.  But since they intended to sell it, they wouldn't just drink the whole container right?  I don't know.

But let's assume they did that.  Let's assume it was 1 gram and they dissolved it in liquid and divided the whole amount between the 8 of them and ingested it.

119mg of 2c-e shouldn't make everyone have seizures and cough up blood and have to be hospitalized, should it?  I mean, there are trip reports of people taking way more than that.

Am I wrong?  Is 119mg enough to fuck up all 8 people that badly?

Cause this is sounding like mislabeled shit to me, or contaminated or something.


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    #14429165 - 05/10/11 10:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Awh fuck that shit I always said
Stick with what We know
LSD FTW!!!
You can does ur ass off and still live 50 years to tell the tale

fuck 2c's Ban em all BAN BAN BAN ! RC's are just trouble in the wake.
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    #14429170 - 05/10/11 10:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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fuck 2c's Ban em all BAN BAN BAN ! RC's are just trouble in the wake.
All tho I must say DOx Is some fucking insane fun :crazy2:



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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: NetDiver]
    #14429182 - 05/10/11 10:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Its true
fuck it right does or not
You woudnt have to worry about that shit if you were taking something like LSD 
RC's are blah just another way for kids to get high without getting in shit
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    #14429190 - 05/10/11 10:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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RC's are blah just another way for kids to get high without getting in shit




2c-e is anything but blah, bro.  It's a completely different experience than LSD.

Less mind-fucky and (at least with my experience with it) it's WAY, WAY more visual than LSD.  Never hallucinated on anything the way I have on 2c-e.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Johnny Springfield]
    #14429228 - 05/10/11 10:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yeah.. and why do people seem to think acid is not a RC? Its a designer drug 100 %. as well, its is much more potent.

does someone know what exactly (in what way) that these kids were killed? shock? coma? kidney failure? heart attack? from what I understand it is much more usual to die from the induced experience and to jump into traffic or something like that, atleast with acid and such.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Johnny Springfield]
    #14429231 - 05/10/11 10:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, 2c-e is an awesome psychedelic. He obviously has no idea what he's talking about.


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    #14429400 - 05/10/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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does someone know what exactly (in what way) that these kids were killed? shock? coma? kidney failure? heart attack?




The girl that died had multiple seizures and was coughing up blood.

One news source I read said multiple people had seizures, but that could just be a reporting fuck-up and it might have only been the girl that had those symptoms.

The rest of it, the only thing I've seen is generic "drug toxicity."

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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Johnny Springfield]
    #14429716 - 05/10/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

One of the articles I read about it said 2c-e was "a designer drug, a mix of ecstasy and LSD." :facepalm:


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: NetDiver] * 1
    #14429749 - 05/10/11 01:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I am conflicted about feeling bad for these people. On one hand theyre just like the rest of us who partake in psychedelics, just wanted to expand their minds, have a good time, you , me, anyone right? I don't know them or any of you but I would and do feel a sadness when people die like this, trying something that is supposed to be a beautiful experience. On the other hand I shake my head at the fact that people dont have enough RESPECT or knowledge of the potency of todays designer drugs. It is nothing to take frivilously, or as a game.
    Maybe if enough people die this way, people will wake up and give these potent hallcinogens the RESPECT they so blatantly command.:sad::shrug:

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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: thelivingfreekshow]
    #14430215 - 05/10/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Great post, thank you.
I feel bad for them too, the young guy who brought this stuff to the party is in for some tough times.
It may be true that they acted irresponsible, who knows. That doesn't change my feelings about those kids. It's always sad when something supposed to be beautiful ends in a tragedy.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: 2ndChancesRDivine]
    #14432213 - 05/10/11 10:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.news9.com/category/116601/video-page?topVideoCatNo=188830&autostart=true&clipid=5830078

BAM! IT WAS A MASS OD!! 2:04 minutes in. He says they thought they were consuming 10-15ml when they really were consuming 100-150ml.

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According to reports, 1gram was diluted into 1 liter of water, and the guy who bought the chem took 45ml for himself.

1000mg/1000ml ~ 1mg/ml

1000ml - 45ml = 955ml so there was a total of 955mg of 2C-E at that party. There are no reports of any of the substance being recovered from the incident so we might assume that all 955ml was ingested.

If all eight people tried that drug, 955mg/8 people = 119.3mg per person which IS WAY more than what should have been taken for effects.

They were supposed to sell the drug for $15/15ml (or about 1/2 of a fluid ounce)




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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: 2ndChancesRDivine]
    #14432361 - 05/10/11 10:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: veggie]
    #14432383 - 05/10/11 10:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

wow that is just so terrible


they just made a mistake on the dosage


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: SummerDaisies]
    #14432552 - 05/10/11 11:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Related story ...

Website where 2C-E was purchased is closing
May 10, 2011 - newsok.com

The company from which investigators said an Ada man bought the designer drug linked to a Konawa death is closing, according to its website.

According to court records, Cody Weddle, 20, bought 1 gram of 2C-E from www.chemicology.net. Weddle was arrested Saturday on complaints of murder and conspiracy to distribute a synthetic substance.

“Due to customer abuse and moral obligation, Chemicology.net will be closing,” the announcement on its website states. “Once our stock is depleted, we no longer intend to resupply.”

Weddle, who has not been charged, gave some of the drug to Anastasia Jewell, 21, and Andrew Akerman, who took it to the party to sell, prosecutors said.

Jewell died early Saturday at Seminole Medical Center. Akerman and six other partygoers were hospitalized, and Akerman remained in critical condition Tuesday. The effects of the drug are supposed to be similar to ecstasy.

It isn't clear whether the decision to close the online business was related to Jewell's death. No physical address or telephone number are listed on the website.

The website states that it does not sell chemicals to anyone younger than 18, and its products are only to be used for research purposes in a laboratory setting.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: veggie]
    #14432586 - 05/10/11 11:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm sorry but what the fuck do people expect is going to happen to them when they don't even bother to look anything up before they take it. I thought kids nowadays have these fancy-ass Iphones and what not...they don't work at raves?


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: sandi]
    #14432706 - 05/10/11 11:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Is 100-150mg of 2c-e enough to make EVERY person at that party sick almost unto death, though?

I was under the impression that dosages at that level, although they would send you into a nightmare trip and make you wish for death, weren't THAT physically dangerous.  I mean, there's trip reports of people taking a few times that amount even.

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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Johnny Springfield]
    #14432817 - 05/11/11 12:05 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That is lame the lab closed.  It says "for research purposes only" for a reason...  That mom shouldn't blame anyone but her daughter because the only reason she died is because she CHOSE to take the drug.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Johnny Springfield]
    #14432850 - 05/11/11 12:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Is 100-150mg of 2c-e enough to make EVERY person at that party sick almost unto death, though?

I was under the impression that dosages at that level, although they would send you into a nightmare trip and make you wish for death, weren't THAT physically dangerous.  I mean, there's trip reports of people taking a few times that amount even.

Incorrect?



There were 7 people who took the gram I bet the guy who died took 500mg and the other people took about 90mg


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: 2ndChancesRDivine]
    #14433689 - 05/11/11 07:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm curious as to how they messed the dosages up. Did they not have a 20cc syringe? :wtf: You can't use your mom's Pyrex measuring cup to measure anything less than 30ml. That's approximately one eighth of a cup. I feel sorry for the kids, but if these chemicals weren't illegal, this never would have happened. It would come with precautionary warnings and measured out in 5ml dosages most likely.

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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Johnny Springfield]
    #14434136 - 05/11/11 09:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I think the guys mistook 0.015 liter for 0.15 liter. Other drugs could have been in the mix.

There are people who take that much, but they are usually the people with extensive tolerance to phenethylamines.

To me its easy to believe most nontolerant people could get sick off of 120mg, especially if other drugs (no 1 culprit alcohol) were in the mix.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: kelpfish]
    #14434685 - 05/11/11 12:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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Awh fuck that shit I always said
Stick with what We know
LSD FTW!!!
You can does ur ass off and still live 50 years to tell the tale

fuck 2c's Ban em all BAN BAN BAN ! RC's are just trouble in the wake.
All tho I must say DOx Is some fucking insane fun :crazy2:




  People have IV'd more 2C-E than 115mg.  The 2C's aren't dangerous in moderation. And all the recent news about them smells of a campaign to ban.  2C's work on the serotonin receptors--they don't even have dopamine affinity like speed.  I really suspect their is a contaminated batch of 2C-E going around.

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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Asante]
    #14434687 - 05/11/11 12:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I didn't make it to read ALL of the comments about this but I wanted a chance to possibly clear the air of all the possibilities you've come
Up with. I can see how a lot of people reading this article would immediately think "careless country kids doing drugs again." That's not to say I wouldn't partially agree with you but a lot of these people I know on a first name basis. They definitely made a mistake and we lost a close friend because of it and others are going to prison for her death. I do believe it was an accident but definitely one that could have been avoided. I just wanted to make these people who did the drug, and suffered from it, more like people if your eyes. They were a group of close friends who thought they would be okay and I can almost say for sure that Cody feels horrible and wouldn't have ever intended this happen. It's a big mess of people judging them for being too stupid to do drugs "the right way" and not enough people realizing that it was actually an accident. I read someone say something like, they are tired of seeing drug dealers go to jail because the government chooses not to hold alcohol companies and the like responsible for "accidents" that happen when people are drinking. I suppose I understand why they would want to trust the public to not try these drugs but when we aren't given the option to ask questions and are just told "drugs are bad" of course things like this will happen.

I am saddened by the loss her family has taken but I am happy that stories like this are making it to the general public. People of all ages should be more aware of what happens when there is an apparent amount if negligence by our communities, our families and our government.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: trivialSounds]
    #14435066 - 05/11/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

http://adaeveningnews.com/local/x264247945/Roff-death-may-be-linked-to-party-drug

Roff death may be linked to party drug

Roff — Rumors swirled following the death of one and hospitalization of seven others Saturday night that a Roff resident who died that same night may have attended a party where lethal drugs were ingested.

Jeffery Walls, 29, Roff, was found dead at his residence but it is unclear if he was at the party east of Konawa where the drug 2C-E was distributed. It is being blamed for killing 22-year-old Anastasia Jewell of Ada. Cody Weddle, 21, was arrested on suspicion of first-degree murder and conspiracy to distribute a synthetic substance. He is suspected of buying the drug over the Internet and sending it to the party for distribution.

Cherokee Ballard, public information officer for the Oklahoma State Medical Examiner’s Office, said Wednesday tests will be conducted to determine whether or not Walls’ death resulted from taking 2C-E.

She said no cause or manner of death has been determined and it could be two to six weeks before test results are in.

Walls’ funeral service was scheduled for today at 2 p.m. at Criswell Funeral Home.

A spokesperson for Valley View Regional Hospital said Tuesday that Andrew Ackerman remains in critical condition, Garrett Minitre is in serious condition and Madison Wolf is in fair condition. All three are said to have attended the party.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: dwpineal]
    #14436552 - 05/11/11 07:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Roff is nearby or what?


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: ash057]
    #14439530 - 05/12/11 10:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.news9.com/story/14627927/victims-of-konawa-drug-overdose-speak-out

Victims of Konawa Drug Overdose Warn Others Of The Dangers 'Designer Drug'

VIDEO Link - http://www.news9.com/category/116601/video-page?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=5842266

OKLAHOMA CITY -- Madison Wolf and Colton Simons believe they are lucky to be alive after taking the hallucinogenic drug 2C-E during a party last weekend.

"According to the doctors, I flat lined twice," Simons said.

Simons and Wolf are two of eight who took the drug 2C-E while staying overnight at a house in Konawa. Drug officials said 2C-E has similar effects to popular drugs like ecstasy and LSD.

"It was a powerful drug," Wolf said. "We didn't know what we were getting into."

Both Wolf and Simons along with six of their friends began having seizures shortly after taking the hallucinogenic drug. All had to be rushed to the hospital.

One of their friends, Stacy Jewell, was transported to Integris Baptist Hospital where authorities said the 22-year-old died from a drug overdose.

"She was always full of energy, full of excitement. She was cool. She was very unique, and I feel for her family," Wolf said.

The young adults obtained the drug from Cody Weddle, 20, who, investigators with the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation said, bought the drug off the Internet. 

Weddle has since been arrested for first-degree murder, something Wolf and Simons both disagree with. They said they are the ones responsible because they chose to take the drug, not their friend.

"I don't feel right with everyone just blaming him," Simons said. "It was an act of ignorance on our part, no one made us take it."

Both Simons and Wolf said the only reason they are speaking out is, they hope, to help Weddle get out of jail and to warn others about the dangers of drugs like 2C-E.

"If we can teach one child, 'look, the first time you try something it can kill you,' then this ordeal will not have been a total loss," Wolf said. "We are lucky to be sitting here right now."


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: dwpineal]
    #14439552 - 05/12/11 10:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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"If we can teach one child, 'look, the first time you try something it can kill you,' then this ordeal will not have been a total loss," Wolf said. "We are lucky to be sitting here right now."




It can kill you if you're irresponsible about dosing and don't research things carefully beforehand. If you're going to try new drugs at least make sure you're read up on the subject and know what you're doing. If not then you're the one who is mostly at fault, not the drug.


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    #14440012 - 05/12/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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"I don't feel right with everyone just blaming him," Simons said. "It was an act of ignorance on our part, no one made us take it."



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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: HybridprX]
    #14440096 - 05/12/11 01:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Pretty sad, I dont like reading about kids that never even had a chance to experience the fun you can without even taking drugs. Want a high? try skydiving, your brain will produce enough endorphins to last you a month.

Chems should be purchased from established chemists who devote their lives to the practice, not some melon head brewing the shit in a bath tub and selling it online.



I very much agree, It's very tragic and sad.It seems kids today were never taught how to really have fun like my generation were, Mountain climbing, fishing, spelunking, swimming, sex, love, and so on. How sick times have gotten that these kids have to resort to some crazy as RC drug to experience "FUN" so very sad..


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Altered States]
    #14440306 - 05/12/11 01:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

And any drug that can literally cook your insides at 109 degrees, make you cough up blood and go into mass seizures probably isn't the wisest drug to have out there for the general public to use as a recreational substance. The fact that it is so different than the other "natural" psychedelics isn't a good enough reason in my world to keep it out there for my kids to possibly die on? No good time is worth dieing over, to many have been lost already!! "NATURALS" are gods gift, we need to stick to them.  My heart goes out to there family,friends & love one's.


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    #14440357 - 05/12/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #14440411 - 05/12/11 02:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

stick to naturals? what about LSD?


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: NetDiver]
    #14440429 - 05/12/11 02:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah, 2c-e is an awesome psychedelic. He obviously has no idea what he's talking about.




Maybe you don't know what he's talking about. It sounds to me like he's referring to the fact that

A. 2c-e is commonly taken in 20mg doses, kids here possibly ate 6x that experiencing death, coma etc. (dangerous active dose/ld50)

B. LSD is commonly taken in doses of 100 ug, with reported doses of 250mg being taken (Robert hunter) with no negative effects. (ridiculously large margin between active dose/ld50.)

I agree with him, except for the fact i belive that LSD and 2c-e should be unbanned. That way these kids could have said "I'm tired of LSD, let's try 2c-e." then they go to the store and buy tablets with labels reading

"each pill contains 10 mg 2c-e. DO NOT take more than 4-5 in one setting or else you risk coma or death."

That way a 120mg dose is easily avoided.
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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #14440433 - 05/12/11 02:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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"NATURALS" are gods gift, we need to stick to them.




Natural drugs kill a whole lot more people than synthetic drugs.




na, pharma drugs are the #1 killer. what he means is obviously in the psychedelic genre, mescaline and weed etc.

What the media does here, is nothing but promote the drugs and tell you where to get it. and they arent even telling us what exactly is the cause of death and toxicity of it. only this year, a 18, 22 and 29 year old dead from 2cEE? all of them in the united states.

and about acid, acid is also a research chemical, it just happens to be the most studied one. as I said earlier  :|


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #14440443 - 05/12/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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"NATURALS" are gods gift, we need to stick to them.




Natural drugs kill a whole lot more people than synthetic drugs.



I don't think it's a matter of Natural or Synthetic... it cannot be categorized that generally, there are many "naturals" which are more deadly then some synthetics and vice versa...  Each drug and it's pharmacodynamics should be addressed individually for toxicity and danger void of whether a man synth'd it or a plant did.  Throwing a blanket term over all or certain groups of drugs only causes misinformation and ignorance (current western drug policy)

The problem is not whether it's synthetic or natural, the problem is people are taking drugs with either false, exaggerated, wrong or no information of possible effects or outcomes.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #14440510 - 05/12/11 02:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: lasdR] * 1
    #14441585 - 05/12/11 06:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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"NATURALS" are gods gift, we need to stick to them.




Natural drugs kill a whole lot more people than synthetic drugs.




na, pharma drugs are the #1 killer.





Prescription drugs kill 32,000 people per year in the USA.

All illegal drugs combined kill 17,000 people per year in the USA.

Tobacco kills 435,000 people per year and Alcohol kills 23,000 people per year.

Tobacco kills whole lot more than pharma drugs.  Really depends on how you define #1 killer though.

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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #14441691 - 05/12/11 07:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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"NATURALS" are gods gift, we need to stick to them.




Natural drugs kill a whole lot more people than synthetic drugs.



I don't think it's a matter of Natural or Synthetic... it cannot be categorized that generally, there are many "naturals" which are more deadly then some synthetics and vice versa...  Each drug and it's pharmacodynamics should be addressed individually for toxicity and danger void of whether a man synth'd it or a plant did.  Throwing a blanket term over all or certain groups of drugs only causes misinformation and ignorance (current western drug policy)

The problem is not whether it's synthetic or natural, the problem is people are taking drugs with either false, exaggerated, wrong or no information of possible effects or outcomes.


  What natural psychedelic drugs kill more people than these synthetic RC"S?  RC'S are not sold as recreational or experimental drugs for human consumption. There sold as research chemicals!! All drugs that are meant for human consumption have the proper regulations "in most cases" to keep people from ODing and killing themselves. There's nothing good that can come out of these new designer drugs in my opinion. There to dangerous and not tested enough. A psychedelic experience is not worth destroying your body or dieing for!! There's nothing more you can get from RC"S that you cant get from the "NATURAL" psychedelics that are safe and non deadly, like mushrooms, DMT, ayahuasca, peyote and mescaline.This isn't rocket science and it doest take a genius to understand that these substances that are killing people are obviously bad stuff!!


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #14441701 - 05/12/11 07:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Seminole County releases 2C-E overdose 911 call
May 12, 2011 - newsok.com



KONAWA — Authorities released a 911 recording Wednesday of a man desperately seeking help while people coughed and screamed at a party where they were sickened by a hallucinogenic designer drug.

One woman died, and seven others were hospitalized after taking the drug 2C-E, also called phenethylamine.

Ricky Prindle, one of the partygoers who did not ingest the drug, which was purchased on the Internet, called emergency services early Saturday after Anastasia “Stacy” Jewell, 22, of Ada, started having seizures.

Prindle told the dispatcher she was spitting up blood. He can be heard trying to revive Jewell by calling her name several times. He told the dispatcher she was unresponsive but still breathing.

The dispatcher asked whether they had been drinking, and Prindle said his friends had taken “some sort of hallucinogen” but he said he wasn't sure exactly what they'd ingested.

Prindle's phone calls to emergency services start out frantically as he attempts to explain the location of the party on State Highway 9A in a rural area between Konawa and Maud in Seminole County.

A man's screams are heard in the background throughout the two phone calls made to emergency services. Prindle told the dispatcher Jewell and the man heard shouting were coughing up small amounts of blood.

Prindle said one man was shouting and rolling on the floor. He called dispatch a second time to report Jewell was having another seizure.

Prindle told the dispatcher Jewell was still coughing up blood and, “she is really hot ... she's burning up.”

Jewell was pronounced dead Saturday at Integris Seminole Medical Center. Her funeral is set for 10 a.m. Thursday at Grace Christian Fellowship in Ada.

Konawa City Manager Rita LoPresto in a written statement said Konawa first responders Richard Mophis and Zack Christian arrived at a chaotic scene that morning. They sent out a desperate call for assistance and more ambulance workers. Police and firefighters awoke to respond to the scene to help triage victims.

“There's no doubt that due to their actions lives were saved,” LoPresto said.

Two people remain hospitalized

Jewell's boyfriend, Andrew Akerman, remained in critical condition Wednesday at Valley View Regional Hospital in Ada, a hospital spokeswoman said. Garrett Minitre was upgraded from serious to fair condition. Madison Wolf has been released from the hospital.

Erik Michelsen Jr. was released Wednesday evening from Norman Regional Health System, a hospital spokeswoman said. Josh and Heather Sharber and Colton Simmons were released earlier this week.

Many of the partygoers were friends and had either attended high school or college together at East Central University.

Cody Weddle, 20, of Ada, was arraigned Monday in Pontotoc County District Court on complaints of murder and conspiracy to distribute a synthetic substance. He has not been charged and has been denied bail.

Court records state Weddle, Jewell and Akerman diluted the drug with water at Jewell's home on Friday. Weddle returned to his residence, and Jewell and Akerman took some of the drug to the party to sell, court records show. Weddle told investigators the solution was supposed to be further diluted before it was sold.

Officials in Pontotoc County said Akerman was a successful drug court graduate.

Jewell was arrested in March 2009 and charged with maintaining and keeping a residence where drugs are kept, and possession of a controlled substance near a school.

There were 13 people in the home the night police served a search warrant and found 10 ounces of marijuana there, court records state. The charges against Jewell were later dismissed.

“My daughter is the last person I thought this would happen to,” Jewell's mother Lida Beckman told The Oklahoman. “She was a good daughter.”

Another death being investigated

Officers with the Roff Police Department continue to investigate the unexplained death of Jeffery Walls, 29. Walls, a construction worker, was found dead Saturday — the same day people at the party were sickened by 2C-E.

Assistant Chief Tom Cox said it's still not known if there is a connection between Walls' death and the party in Konawa.

Police received a call Saturday to a residence in Roff and were told of a possible death. It wasn't Walls' home.

Walls' obituary states he was born in Ada.

Roff is about 30 miles south of Konawa and about 30 miles east of Pauls Valley.

Walls had a criminal record and was charged in April with possession of a controlled dangerous substance and driving under the influence of drugs.

Pontotoc County District Attorney Chris Ross said Walls was not at the party where Jewell died Saturday.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Altered States]
    #14441788 - 05/12/11 07:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Altered States said:
"NATURALS" are gods gift, we need to stick to them.




Natural drugs kill a whole lot more people than synthetic drugs.



I don't think it's a matter of Natural or Synthetic... it cannot be categorized that generally, there are many "naturals" which are more deadly then some synthetics and vice versa...  Each drug and it's pharmacodynamics should be addressed individually for toxicity and danger void of whether a man synth'd it or a plant did.  Throwing a blanket term over all or certain groups of drugs only causes misinformation and ignorance (current western drug policy)

The problem is not whether it's synthetic or natural, the problem is people are taking drugs with either false, exaggerated, wrong or no information of possible effects or outcomes.


  What natural psychedelic drugs kill more people than these synthetic RC"S?  RC'S are not sold as recreational or experimental drugs for human consumption. There sold as research chemicals!! All drugs that are meant for human consumption have the proper regulations "in most cases" to keep people from ODing and killing themselves. There's nothing good that can come out of these new designer drugs in my opinion. There to dangerous and not tested enough. A psychedelic experience is not worth destroying your body or dieing for!! There's nothing more you can get from RC"S that you cant get from the "NATURAL" psychedelics that are safe and non deadly, like mushrooms, DMT, ayahuasca, peyote and mescaline.This isn't rocket science and it doest take a genius to understand that these substances that are killing people are obviously bad stuff!!




Prohibition is the main reason for these drugs not having regulations and advice on responsible use. Just because a few people have died from 2C-E doesn't make it dangerous. The result of prohibition is they received incorrect information or information not accurately conveyed about the appropriate dosage. Had they bought the drug from a gas station in a labeled package with the advice on dosage and responsible use, no one would have became sick that evening. You can die from drinking too much water, but that doesn't make water dangerous.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: veggie]
    #14441805 - 05/12/11 07:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

seizures and screaming,, not the way I would want to out


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Altered States]
    #14441809 - 05/12/11 07:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

And if you can find true LSD-25 these days more power to you, But what are the chances of that, who knows whats in the stuff theses days, I don't trust it. But yes true LSD-25 is a synthetic psychedelic that is proven non fatal. My point is I know whats in psychedelic mushrooms and the other natural psychedelics. And because of that I'm alive, healthy and not rotting from the inside.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: ash057]
    #14441874 - 05/12/11 07:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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seizures and screaming,, not the way I would want to out




QFT. I feel so sorry for those kids. Especially Andrew, because that was his girlfriend that died, and he is still in critical condition apparently. That is something that will haunt him the remainder of his life. The only thing I could do in that situation is to take a (correct) dose of 2C-E at some point in the future to prove the drug hasn't defeated me.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: destructo_low]
    #14441965 - 05/12/11 08:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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QFT. I feel so sorry for those kids. Especially Andrew, because that was his girlfriend that died, and he is still in critical condition apparently. That is something that will haunt him the remainder of his life. The only thing I could do in that situation is to take a (correct) dose of 2C-E at some point in the future to prove the drug hasn't defeated me.





Indeed. I've taken 25mg of 2ce and it was awesome. I put it right up near my best acid dmt and mushroom trips in the total immersion and visual detail aspects. I never once felt any negative body aspects from it. People need to use EROWID!!!!!!!!


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: destructo_low]
    #14442010 - 05/12/11 08:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Prohibition is the main reason for these drugs not having regulations and advice on responsible use. Just because a few people have died from 2C-E doesn't make it dangerous. The result of prohibition is they received incorrect information or information not accurately conveyed about the appropriate dosage. Had they bought the drug from a gas station in a labeled package with the advice on dosage and responsible use, no one would have became sick that evening. You can die from drinking too much water, but that doesn't make water dangerous.



First off you have no idea if that drug had been properly labeled with dosage directions those kids wouldn't have OD or not. How many times have you taken something against the federally labeled directions to get a fuller experience. The stuff is FUCKING POISON!!! end of story!! If there's a possibility that you can die a horrible agonizing death from a man made psychedelic drug common scence tells me there's something wrong with it, and if I want to stay alive and healthy I probably shouldn't mess with it, federally regulated dosage label or not!! Stick to the naturals,


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: destructo_low]
    #14442081 - 05/12/11 08:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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QFT. I feel so sorry for those kids. Especially Andrew, because that was his girlfriend that died, and he is still in critical condition apparently. That is something that will haunt him the remainder of his life. The only thing I could do in that situation is to take a (correct) dose of 2C-E at some point in the future to prove the drug hasn't defeated me.



That makes a whole lot of fucking sense!!! If he is able to even put two thoughts together for the rest of his life considering his brain and internal organs have been cooked like fucking eggs I highly doubt taking the drug that killed the love of life and turned him into a fucking piece of broccoli will be to high on his to do list!! GEEZ!!!!  Oh he's got to conquer the drug bra, like totally!! what the fuck, are you serious guy!!


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Altered States]
    #14442108 - 05/12/11 08:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You need to learn that the dosage of a chemical is what makes it safe or a poison.  Natural or synthetic has nothing to do with it.


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    #14442134 - 05/12/11 08:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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First off you have no idea if that drug had been properly labeled with dosage directions those kids wouldn't have OD or not. How many times have you taken something against the federally labeled directions to get a fuller experience. The stuff is FUCKING POISON!!! end of story!! If there's a possibility that you can die a horrible agonizing death from a man made psychedelic drug common scence tells me there's something wrong with it, and if I want to stay alive and healthy I probably shouldn't mess with it, federally regulated dosage label or not!! Stick to the naturals,

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Prohibition is the main reason for these drugs not having regulations and advice on responsible use. Just because a few people have died from 2C-E doesn't make it dangerous. The result of prohibition is they received incorrect information or information not accurately conveyed about the appropriate dosage. Had they bought the drug from a gas station in a labeled package with the advice on dosage and responsible use, no one would have became sick that evening. You can die from drinking too much water, but that doesn't make water dangerous.







So I assume you're going to go empty your medicine cabinet and only consume food and water the rest of your life, correct? You have to abandon professional medical help as well, because that has risks also.

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QFT. I feel so sorry for those kids. Especially Andrew, because that was his girlfriend that died, and he is still in critical condition apparently. That is something that will haunt him the remainder of his life. The only thing I could do in that situation is to take a (correct) dose of 2C-E at some point in the future to prove the drug hasn't defeated me.



That makes a whole lot of fucking sense!!! If he is able to even put two thoughts together for the rest of his life considering his brain and internal organs have been cooked like fucking eggs I highly doubt taking the drug that killed the love of life and turned him into a fucking piece of broccoli will be to high on his to do list!! GEEZ!!!!  Oh he's got to conquer the drug bra, like totally!! what the fuck, are you serious guy!!




Yes, I am serious, or I wouldn't have posted it. I didn't say he should. I said it's what I would do. If I have a bad experience on a drug, and I know it was due to my own negligence, be it setting, mindset, or dosage, I will take the drug again at a later date and correct my mistakes to prove that the drug isn't the problem.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Altered States]
    #14442139 - 05/12/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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First off you have no idea if that drug had been properly labeled with dosage directions those kids wouldn't have OD or not.




If improper dose directions were on a drug legally sold in stores you'd bet that the first person to OD would give way to a serious lawsuit and the problem would be rectified.

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The stuff is FUCKING POISON!!! end of story!! If there's a possibility that you can die a horrible agonizing death from a man made psychedelic drug common scence tells me there's something wrong with it




There's nothing wrong with most phenethylamines and RC's in general. I can OD on mescaline, a naturally available hallucinogen, if I wanted but that doesn't make it a poison. Just because you can OD on a drug by taking higher doses than anyone in their right mind would recommend doesn't make it a poison. Currently I can go out, buy booze, and OD on it like it's nobody's business but because it's use is accepted by general culture and discussion is, largely, out in the open most people have an idea of what healthy use of this substance entails. The same would go for most, if not, all drugs if there use weren't driven into the underground.

So long as these RCs are in a black market or gray areas of the law there is absolutely no obligation for these companies to give dosage advise and that, alone, is more problematic than the substance itself. Actually, it's counterintuitive for companies to do so because if they suggest that people might consume these substances they're running the risk of getting involved with the law.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Remix]
    #14442506 - 05/12/11 09:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

There are a million different substances for a million different uses, ailments,cures and highs, some are natural some are synthetic, some have horrible side affects that have the possibility to kill you and some don't. If I have a choice between having a psychedelic experience or any experience mind you, from a substance that is natural,safe and wont fuck up my DNA and give my children gross abnormalities and possibly kill me with violent seizures, cooking brains and internal organs, and one that's not, common sense tells me to go with the natural one that hasn't been tainted by mans hands. It's as simple as that. Like I mentioned before there's nothing I can learn or experience on RC"S that I cant on natural psychedelics. And as for dieing on mescaline, it's so rare it's practically impossible to find any recorded cases to date, in fact I cant find any.I guess that's one of the reasons cultures and religions are founded on it and it's been used for thousands of years. Any who my heart goes out to those unfortunates families, friends and love ones that were lost and maimed this past week. It surely is a very sad and tragic situation.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Altered States]
    #14442529 - 05/12/11 09:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It's fine if you don't want to use RC's and stick with natural and safe hallucinogens/drugs.

Just don't claim they're "poison", because they're not. Most of them, such as the 2c's in question, only cause adverse effects if one takes much higher than what is recommended - like those mentioned in this article.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Altered States]
    #14442631 - 05/12/11 10:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Doctors used to recommend small doses of arsenic which is most definitely a poison less than a century ago for certain ailments. Almost anything can be toxic to your body in some form or another.

They say LSD is safe, but if you take it at dosages you would normally take mescaline at you might start seeing some deaths. The issue here isn't that the molecule in question is poisonous, we all know that it is, but at what range can one safely take it.

Think about datura. Datura can fucking KILL you and it is EVERYWHERE. I have a Datura weed that I pass by every day. Yet people take it to hallucinate, and over the years people have used it for shamanic purposes, suicides or even murders. This is one of natures examples of a natural "2C-E". Hallucinogen at low doses, fatal at higher ones.

These young adults used this substance based on the word of one of their peers without checking facts or asking questions. The woman who died and the man in critical care were the ones who took the solution to the party, were misinformed or misguided on how to administer the chemical, gave it to others and were the ones who also suffered the worst. The others at the party should have known better than to trust the judgment of other people with the sanctity of their bodies and used the brain the good Lord gave them to at double check or at least thoroughly question the suppliers of the chemical.

As a result of middle America's ignorant population our scene is exposed, vulnerable to the legislative whims of politicians who will never truly understand our desire to experience altered states, and we will once again be the outlaws designated as humanities disgrace.

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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Remix]
    #14443143 - 05/12/11 11:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Just don't claim they're "poison", because they're not. Most of them, such as the 2c's in question, only cause adverse effects if one takes much higher than what is recommended - like those mentioned in this article.





Dont you fucking dare pretend like you know anything about RCs long-term effects.

Show me ONE legitimate study telling you ANYTHING about 2c-x or STFU.

LSD is not considered a RESEARCH chemical because tons of research has been done on it. These RCs are called such because there is NO research accomplished describing long-term LOW doses even.

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    #14443164 - 05/13/11 12:02 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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You need to learn that the dosage of a chemical is what makes it safe or a poison.  Natural or synthetic has nothing to do with it.




Goddamnit! You people keep citing dosage???

Any drug with an ld50 possible 6 times that of an average dose is not a drug to be defended and regarded as safe!!!!

Plus, there is NOOOOOOOOO research to show that even low doses of these chemicals aren't toxic!!!!!!! Jesus fucking Christ!!!! Learn the facts!!!

It's POSSIBLE that taking 20mg of 2c-X 3 times in your life won't cause any long-term damage. BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THIS so stop fucking telling people it's true.  Have you even talked to o e person who ate 2c-X 40 years ago and can verify that they were unaffected in the long-run??

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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: LightShedder]
    #14443199 - 05/13/11 12:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Chill out man. 
Nobody is saying it's perfectly safe to do these drugs.
I would say no drug is "safe", either with regards to toxicity or the fact that when you take a drug, especially a hallucinogen/psychedelic, you're not necessarily in the most adaptive frame of mind.

I'm not spreading any real misinformation, either. No drug is inherently a poison just because it CAN kill you at irresponsible doses. Alcohol has the potential to be poisonous but I'll defend it's use to the end because most people can use it responsibly and have a decent time.

Not-to-mention, people have been taking these 2c's since Shulgin synthesized them and I have yet to hear anybody, including Shulgin, talking about long term side-effects unless they went on huge binges and abused the hell out of them.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Remix]
    #14443226 - 05/13/11 12:15 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

IrrespOnsible doses?

Conservatively, you would be in great danger if you consumed 10 times the average dose of 2c-e. That's comparable to heroin which everyone agrees is dangerous because of the thin margin between the active dose and the ld50. Nobody tries to belittle the danger or risk associated with heroin abuse by arguing "dude just take a responsible dose and you'll be fine".

Especially if it's a drug with NO human research. Excuse my emotion but people are not giving proper advice about 2c-e.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: LightShedder]
    #14443314 - 05/13/11 12:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Nobody tries to belittle the danger or risk associated with heroin abuse by arguing "dude just take a responsible dose and you'll be fine".




I would. :shrug:
See, you're doing what most people who support prohibition do. You're not making a distinction between "use" and "abuse".
Opiates, including heroin, aren't a problem at all if you use them sparingly or in the context of serious pain-killing where necessary. The main problem with heroin, and most of the "more-toxic" drugs, is their addictive potential and the fact that most OD's are traceable to either A) the person got a batch stronger than they expected and dosed ignorant of this or B) they had such a high tolerance that they NEEDED to take dangerous amounts of the drug just to get their fix.

The 2c's don't have the same addictive potential as opiates and so it's FAR less likely that people will OD simply because they have such a high tolerance to them. In the case mentioned in this article people weren't aware of the kinds of doses they were getting and that's why they had complications.

Also, mind you, a lot of people have taken these 2c's in question for the past 20-30 years and I haven't really heard of any major long-term side-effects from anybody. This is what you could call "human research" to a degree. Granted, it's not particularly scientific or "peer reviewed" but, then again, such research isn't really sanctioned by our culture or society... so, really, it's up to the hair-brained, psycho-Magellans to do the "illegitimate research" until people realize that it's better to have these substances studied and discussed out in the open rather than driven into the questionable underground.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Remix]
    #14443398 - 05/13/11 01:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Don't mention prohibition to me. It's people like you that will ensure it's continuation.

Apparently you're not familiar with physiology. You see, anybody with medicinal knowledge wouldn't belittle the danger of a drug with an active dose 10%+ that of the lethal dose.

I think heroin and 2c-e should be legal.

But you have no data to tell people you know 2c-e, even in low "responsible" doses, isn't detrimental to your health in the long run. Not to mention the active dose/ld50-a concept your obviously oblivious to.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: LightShedder]
    #14443419 - 05/13/11 01:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

20-30 years anecdotal experience, in the obvious survivors only, doesn't mean much. The fact that there is such a thin margin between active dose/ld50 lends towards possible low-dose toxicity. Maybe not.

It should be left at this

2c-e may/may not have an adverse effect on health.

But it does have a low ld50 when compared to the active dose, compared to psilocybin/LSD/thc.

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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: LightShedder]
    #14443437 - 05/13/11 01:33 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not belittling the danger of anything. All I said was that something isn't inherently a poison because you can OD on it.

I never said these substances were perfectly safe. I said they can be used responsibly. There's a difference.

Like I said, no drug is safe IMO. There's a danger associated with ANY form of drug use, even the most physiologically benign ones.

But it is possible to use any drug responsibly, even the "dangerous" ones, and this is by being aware of what the safe dosages are. I don't see where I said that these concepts weren't important at any point.

There are people who have even used EXTREMELY dangerous and toxic drugs like the tropane alkaloids of Datura and Jimsonweed with a level of responsibility. This doesn't mean it's a safe drug by any means, it just means that the individual can control an amount of factors that ensures they won't OD or put themselves in a horribly compromising situation. 

Responsibly using a drug does NOT mean that the drug is safe. I don't see how you can confuse the two concepts.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: LightShedder]
    #14443450 - 05/13/11 01:41 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What is the LD50 of 2c-e? I surely can't find it.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: enthiangenic]
    #14443459 - 05/13/11 01:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Does that make you feel safe ingesting 200mg of it?


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    #14443468 - 05/13/11 01:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Why would you take 200mg when it's more than active in the 5-30mg range?


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Remix]
    #14443472 - 05/13/11 01:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm not belittling the danger of anything. All I said was that something isn't inherently a poison because you can OD on it.

I never said these substances were perfectly safe. I said they can be used responsibly. There's a difference.

Like I said, no drug is safe IMO. There's a danger associated with ANY form of drug use, even the most physiologically benign ones.

But it is possible to use any drug responsibly, even the "dangerous" ones, and this is by knowing what the safe dosages are. I don't see where I said that these concepts weren't important at any point.

There are people who have even used EXTREMELY dangerous and toxic drugs like the tropane alkaloids of Datura and Jimsonweed with a level of responsibility. This doesn't mean it's a safe drug by any means, it just means that the individual can control an amount of factors that ensures they won't OD or put themselves in a horribly compromising situation. 

Responsibly using a drug does NOT mean that the drug is safe. I don't see how you can confuse the two concepts.




I like this version better than

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It's fine if you don't want to use RC's and stick with natural and safe hallucinogens/drugs.

Just don't claim they're "poison", because they're not. Most of them, such as the 2c's in question, only cause adverse effects if one takes much higher than what is recommended - like those mentioned in this article.




Considering the lack of proof that these drugs don't have adverse effects from occasional low-dose use.


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    #14443474 - 05/13/11 01:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Why would you take 200mg when it's more than active in the 5-30mg range?




I surely wouldn't. I'm just estimating that to be around the ld50.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: LightShedder]
    #14443486 - 05/13/11 01:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

BUT YOU DON'T KNO FER SHURE BRO CUZ THERE'S NO SCIENCE! :trolldance:

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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Remix]
    #14443491 - 05/13/11 01:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'm with erowid on this one

"Chemicals marked on Erowid by our Research Chemical Symbol should be considered experimental chemicals. Although some people are willing to ingest these chemicals for their effects, it is not reasonable to assume that these chemicals are in any way 'safe' to use recreationally. Although all psychoactive use involves risk, this class of chemicals has undergone virtually no human or animal toxicity studies and there is little to no data on possible long term problems, addiction potential, allergic reactions, or acute overdoses.

Publication of information by Erowid about human use of these chemicals is not intended to endorse their non-laboratory use. It is important to remember that reactions to psychoactives vary dramatically from person to person. Extrapolating anything from any single person's experience with a chemical is inappropriate and may result in dangerous and possibly fatal adverse reactions.

Some reports of use may include extremely glowing "wow"-type experiences. Reports of this nature should not be misunderstood to suggest that they are common or typical of those who ingest the substance, or that the effects will be pleasant or desirable."

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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: LightShedder]
    #14443508 - 05/13/11 02:03 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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LSD all the way nig.




:bigyesnod: No disagreements there, mang.


BTW, I've been tripping balls on mescaline-cacti throughout this entire debate. :lol:


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Remix]
    #14443513 - 05/13/11 02:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

lol nice! Mescaline has got a pretty reasonable ld50 compared to active dose.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: LightShedder]
    #14458718 - 05/15/11 08:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Awh u fuckers I said it so many times Fuck RC's
LSD only
And you still argue that these RC are safe lmao

RC's!@!!!! RESEARCH CHEMICALS
LSD HAs BEEN AROUND FOR YEARS
YEARS!@!!!

These RC's Have not stood the test of time and the test them selves on humans.

Fuck em I say Ban em all one less thing for you to die off of.

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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: kelpfish]
    #14458836 - 05/15/11 08:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Awh u fuckers I said it so many times Fuck RC's
LSD only
And you still argue that these RC are safe lmao

RC's!@!!!! RESEARCH CHEMICALS
LSD HAs BEEN AROUND FOR YEARS
YEARS!@!!!

These RC's Have not stood the test of time and the test them selves on humans.

Fuck em I say Ban em all one less thing for you to die off of.

Keep it simple stick to what you already know...If anything at all.





Wow, curb your ignorance there, sonny boy. lsd happens to be the the oldest chemical, that is all.  the 2c series was actually found shortly after the LSD thing became a mainstream thing in the 60s. so it has been around for 50 years. I know you are just following your primal instincts here, being suspicious of anything that is unknown and what not. what they sayin'? haters gon' hate. i

f you wanna ban something because its potentially deadly, how about people driving cars? thats only about a few million a year. or what about misslabeled and faulty pharma pills?.. :uhoh:


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: lasdR]
    #14459042 - 05/15/11 08:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.newson6.com/story/14641463/second-victim-dies-after-taking-designer-drug-in-konawa

Bromo-Dragonfly goddammit. These kids took a HUGE dose of it too. 2c-E has never caused these symptoms before and it wasn't the culprit here. The chem supply company that mixed these chemicals up should be in serious legal trouble, this really wasn't anyone's fault but there's. Switching a chemical with 10-20 mg doses with one whose doses are measured in micrograms is fucking retarded. They need to be held accountable for this.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: SeascapeShroomerGT]
    #14459065 - 05/15/11 08:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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The chem supply company that mixed these chemicals up should be in serious legal trouble



BULLSHIT!  It's the damn kids fault for eating something out of a bag that says "NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION"


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: LightShedder]
    #14459103 - 05/15/11 09:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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You need to learn that the dosage of a chemical is what makes it safe or a poison.  Natural or synthetic has nothing to do with it.




Goddamnit! You people keep citing dosage???

Any drug with an ld50 possible 6 times that of an average dose is not a drug to be defended and regarded as safe!!!!

Plus, there is NOOOOOOOOO research to show that even low doses of these chemicals aren't toxic!!!!!!! Jesus fucking Christ!!!! Learn the facts!!!

It's POSSIBLE that taking 20mg of 2c-X 3 times in your life won't cause any long-term damage. BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THIS so stop fucking telling people it's true.  Have you even talked to o e person who ate 2c-X 40 years ago and can verify that they were unaffected in the long-run??

NOOO

You people are crazy.






This whole story is full of confusion and misinformation. The substance they bought wasn't even 2c-e and multiple people suggested that this must have been a mix up.
If you knew ANYTHING about the 2c family you would have known that seizures and coughing up blood have never been reported from those doses, and people have supposedly taken quite a bit more than that without this happening.
If one of the kids had gotten sick, then an overdose from 2c-e would have been plausible but the fact that they all got very very ill and 2 of them died clearly indicates a tainted batch or a mix up from the chem supply website.
You're just buying into the propaganda and using quotes from these news articles to claim that you know the LD50 of 2c-e. It is probably not in the 125 mg range even without a tolerance, if this was 2c-anything these kids would have just had a horrible trip and maybe some vomiting, not hospitalizations, comas, and deaths.


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    #14459146 - 05/15/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah sorry i should have said the only people at fault were the kids and the chem supply company. But wiccan seeker can tell you all about how bad a screw up like this can be, and he's very experienced with RC's. If you went to buy a pill of esctasy and your dealer gave you 150 doses of a similar substance, you'd be very pissed off at him. These kids took what should have been non-lethal (albeit very high) doses of this stuff assuming it was 2c-e, this isn't a case of people taking way way too much. This was a lethal amount of a toxic substance being sold as something with much higher dosages, and the only reason the chem supply company won't get in trouble is because of the "Not for human consumption" label. Maybe if this stuff was 100% legal and regulated this wouldn't have happened  :shake:


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    #14459166 - 05/15/11 09:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Maybe if this stuff was 100% legal and regulated this wouldn't have happened  :shake:



Exactly.  You never see people die from alcohol or tobacco products because they bought them and received a different drug altogether...  It doesn't take a genius to figure this out either, it just shows that drug policy has nothing to do about people well being or safety.

"Doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results"

Isn't this a good definition for insanity?  Didn't we already make a drug (alcohol) illegal and then see the damage it caused and then make it bought with certain taxes and restrictions?  YES!  I guess policy makers are fucking insane or don't give a fuck about our saftey... i don't think we vote nut jobs in office either... or do we???


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    #14459452 - 05/15/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It seems like almost any time an incident like this sadly occurs, it can be traced back to prohibition somehow.

EXACTLY!! No one is ever given something lethal instead of asprin or given a huge amount of alcohol with no instructions on how much to take, but instead "DO NOT CONSUME"


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    #14459455 - 05/15/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I guess policy makers are fucking insane or don't give a fuck about our saftey... i don't think we vote nut jobs in office either... or do we???




They have alternative motives that revolve around self-interest.

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    #14460278 - 05/16/11 01:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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You need to learn that the dosage of a chemical is what makes it safe or a poison.  Natural or synthetic has nothing to do with it.




Goddamnit! You people keep citing dosage???

Any drug with an ld50 possible 6 times that of an average dose is not a drug to be defended and regarded as safe!!!!

Plus, there is NOOOOOOOOO research to show that even low doses of these chemicals aren't toxic!!!!!!! Jesus fucking Christ!!!! Learn the facts!!!

It's POSSIBLE that taking 20mg of 2c-X 3 times in your life won't cause any long-term damage. BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THIS so stop fucking telling people it's true.  Have you even talked to o e person who ate 2c-X 40 years ago and can verify that they were unaffected in the long-run??

NOOO

You people are crazy.






This whole story is full of confusion and misinformation. The substance they bought wasn't even 2c-e and multiple people suggested that this must have been a mix up.
If you knew ANYTHING about the 2c family you would have known that seizures and coughing up blood have never been reported from those doses, and people have supposedly taken quite a bit more than that without this happening.
If one of the kids had gotten sick, then an overdose from 2c-e would have been plausible but the fact that they all got very very ill and 2 of them died clearly indicates a tainted batch or a mix up from the chem supply website.
You're just buying into the propaganda and using quotes from these news articles to claim that you know the LD50 of 2c-e. It is probably not in the 125 mg range even without a tolerance, if this was 2c-anything these kids would have just had a horrible trip and maybe some vomiting, not hospitalizations, comas, and deaths.





Actually mr. "tripped roller smoker", I do t get my facts from propaganda. The only one giving into propaganda is you by stupidly claiming the 2c-s are safe.

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    #14460424 - 05/16/11 02:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well thank God that Shulgin was so against experimenting with all of the chemicals he synthed.

Oh, wait.  I forgot that he wasn't a pussy and he had enough confidence in his own intelligence to take a calculated risk. 

I'm going back to my other forum.  Too many Shroomerites being completely hypocritical.  Think about what people were saying about LSD and the other "new, dangerous, untested" chemicals in the 60's. 



One more thing.  If you aren't high enough on the food chain to know FOR SURE that you're getting LSD, or if you've ever taken a pressed pill, then chances are that you've sampled one or more "research chemicals" and you don't even know it.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: LightShedder]
    #14462922 - 05/16/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What are you talking about?? I never once called them safe...

I simply said that those symptoms are not commonly (if ever) reported with 2c use, and people have been taking doses bigger than that for awhile.

I'm just saying that if you knew anything about these drugs, then "Coughing up blood" and an entire group of people becoming seriously PHYSICALLY ill from doses that have been experimented with, then that should have been a red flag that there was a bad batch or a chemical mix up.

Oh thank you so much for that link to the Erowid home page, IDK what i would have done with myself without it :wink:

Here: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/2ce/2ce_effects.shtml


Maybe you'd like to show me the part describing the LD50 you seem to be so sure of? Or where it says that coughing up blood, becoming seriously sick for over a week, and death are reported from 2c-e?


Please research substances before giving us your 2 cents and putting words in my mouth.

I NEVER claimed the 2c's were safe.

You're right we have no idea what the long term effects are. But you assuming that they're toxic when we have NO evidence either way is just as silly as someone claiming they're safe.

This story is a sad fuck-up. I'm really sorry that this happened but I highly doubt that the news networks will ever run a national story explaining the mix up here, 2c-e will probably be blamed for it.


And to the person above me, QFT! People have lost touch with the fact that ALL drugs were new and unresearched at some point, from LSD to PMA. Some are safer drugs some are more dangerous. Until we know for sure guessing in either way is dumb. If you're not comfortable putting an untested substance in your body, then don't, and go post somewhere else. This site is for educated discussions of controlled substances and other topics, and people coming in flaming drugs they don't like is not going to further any scientific discovery.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: SeascapeShroomerGT]
    #14463428 - 05/16/11 05:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

lol I never said they were toxic. Yes you and many other people have said 2c-e is safe at recreational dosages. So long as you agree that's not true then believe me, we are in no disagreement.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: LightShedder]
    #14463463 - 05/16/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

" If you're not comfortable putting an untested substance in your body, then don't, and go post somewhere else. This site is for educated discussions of controlled substances and other topics, and people coming in flaming drugs they don't like is not going to further any scientific discovery."

Are you serious? I've pointed out the fact that 2c-e is not known to be safe. You have countered that, I believe every moderator and reasonably intelligent member of this site would agree that it's fools like you that need to go post elsewhere. Flaming drugs? More like being reasonable. Unlike you.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: LightShedder]
    #14464856 - 05/16/11 09:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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You need to learn that the dosage of a chemical is what makes it safe or a poison.  Natural or synthetic has nothing to do with it.




Goddamnit! You people keep citing dosage???

Any drug with an ld50 possible 6 times that of an average dose is not a drug to be defended and regarded as safe!!!!

Plus, there is NOOOOOOOOO research to show that even low doses of these chemicals aren't toxic!!!!!!! Jesus fucking Christ!!!! Learn the facts!!!

It's POSSIBLE that taking 20mg of 2c-X 3 times in your life won't cause any long-term damage. BUT YOU DON'T KNOW THIS so stop fucking telling people it's true.  Have you even talked to o e person who ate 2c-X 40 years ago and can verify that they were unaffected in the long-run??

NOOO

You people are crazy.



^^^^Look at yourself, your argument is based on the LD50 being 6x the average dose, because some kids took an entirely different substance. You're right, there is no research whatsoever on these chemicals. SO WE SHOULD NOT ASSUME EITHER WAY. Just because there is no proof they are toxic, that doesn't make them safe, and vice versa.



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lol I never said they were toxic. Yes you and many other people have said 2c-e is safe at recreational dosages. So long as you agree that's not true then believe me, we are in no disagreement.




I NEVER SAID THEY WERE SAFE PLEASE SHOW ME A QUOTE WHERE I CALLED THEM SAFE


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: SeascapeShroomerGT]
    #14465092 - 05/16/11 09:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Belittling the danger would have been a more accurate way to describe it. And looking back, touché, you haven't been as bad as others.

But more importantly, show me where I said "2c-e is toxic" like you and so many others claim. You said "But you assuming that they're toxic". When all I've ever done is tell people we have no clue when they stated that they knew. I eat 2c-e. Don't get me wrong. But I would be an idiot to tell someone it's safe for sure, even at recreational doses. I'd confidently tell someone they could eat 25mg of LSD with no damage but I wouldn't say I know 25mg of 2c-e isn't damaging. And yes, I've researched everything there is to research about every research chemical, including reading all of shulgins books. If any of you have gathered that 2c-e is proven safe in low doses from any of the information available, please provide a reference.

Quit telling me to do research when it's obvious you either haven't, or have misunderstood something along the way.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: LightShedder]
    #14465221 - 05/16/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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lol I never said they were toxic. Yes you and many other people have said 2c-e is safe at recreational dosages. So long as you agree that's not true then believe me, we are in no disagreement.




You're right you didn't call them toxic, I believe someone else said something like that much earlier in the thread and I thought it was you.


Ahhhh this lil bit of pure opinion (non-facts):

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First off you have no idea if that drug had been properly labeled with dosage directions those kids wouldn't have OD or not. How many times have you taken something against the federally labeled directions to get a fuller experience. The stuff is FUCKING POISON!!! end of story!! If there's a possibility that you can die a horrible agonizing death from a man made psychedelic drug common scence tells me there's something wrong with it, and if I want to stay alive and healthy I probably shouldn't mess with it, federally regulated dosage label or not!! Stick to the naturals,





I remember directing my anger towards this, but I apologize as you didn't even post it. And earlier you said "Assuming this even was 2c-e" so I see you're not who i should be ranting towards.


But if you've read PHIKAL and his other works then why did you assume the LD50 is only 6x the normal dose? I suppose it COULD be in that area as I have no study which shows it, but I doubt it's nearly that low, and seeing as how you have an understanding of the substance, wouldn't you agree? I mean really I have no clue what it truly is but based on how many people claim to have consumed higher/similar doses I would ASSUME it to be higher. 6x the average dose would make it a very very dangerous drug you're correct.



But anyway I got angry at you because I thought you also posted the rant i quoted, and then you got angry at me because you thought i was calling them safe.

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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: SeascapeShroomerGT]
    #14465348 - 05/16/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

lol I got angry at you cause I thought you were saying something someone else had said too.

"But if you've read PHIKAL and his other works then why did you assume the LD50 is only 6x the normal dose?"

I want to say I read a report on erowid years ago of a girl who ingested 150 mg and didn't die but had a dangerous od. I'm too lazy to try and look for it, it may not even exist. But note I said possibly. I said "a drug with possibly 6x" meaning any drug where this is possible, shouldn't be considered safe, as someone else tried to claim.

Regardless, it's apparent you and I weren't the extremists saying "safe" or "poison". We both understand that it's unknown but probably safe at doses less than 100mg at least.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: LightShedder]
    #14465728 - 05/17/11 12:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:lol: So much confusion in this thread.

People need to read more carefully and respond with less viscousness.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Remix]
    #14465743 - 05/17/11 12:24 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Tru dat.

There's rational people who believe it's safety is unknown, yet predictable. Then there's those that "know" it's safe or toxic.

Obviously there's gonna be some disagreements lol


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: LightShedder]
    #14465801 - 05/17/11 12:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Glad that is out of the way. Now that the bickering is over let's please continue this thread on topic.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: veggie]
    #14465834 - 05/17/11 12:47 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thread about 2c-e leads to debate on it's toxicity.... I'd say that's not only on topic but pretty damn necessary when kids are trying to claim a research chemical is safe. Call it bickering all you want but next guy who defends RCs safety is gonna get the wrath of my bicker.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: LightShedder]
    #14468090 - 05/17/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hey I'm with you. Nothing about these substances seems safe. But the recent deaths, some still attributed to the 2c's and some later found out to be Bromo d fly or whatever, are really troubling. Why are kids just starting to die now? Only when having 'parties' with this stuff where a large group of people all take the drug? And only in the US?

Like wtf? Should we be worried about contaminated batches? Or is there something else going on?


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: SeascapeShroomerGT]
    #14470851 - 05/17/11 11:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'd say either one of the following greatly reduces the risk associated with rc's, providing you do your own research and dose responsibly

A. Check your substances melting point and match it up with desired compound
B. Test out everything as though it's accidentally BDF
C. Synth your own, or know a very trusted chemist

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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: veggie]
    #14470964 - 05/17/11 11:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Glad that is out of the way. Now that the bickering is over let's please continue this thread on topic.




Close this garbage.  condense the news stories into one thread and leave this crap to the pub, or at the next shroomery gathering, have them duke it out in person.

5 pages of pointless arguing by internet experts has ruined one of the more interesting stories of the year.

Any more news?


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Beefy1]
    #14470979 - 05/17/11 11:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I don't see the big deal in discussing the level of toxicity the drug in the news story contains.

Yeah it turned into an argument, but it could have been as simple as everyone agreeing it's a research chemical and no one knows for sure.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: 2ndChancesRDivine]
    #14534453 - 05/30/11 04:54 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

hey remix very very true point.... who are the real supporters of the RC manufacturers?

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Maybe if these psychedelics weren't such taboos kids wouldn't be overdosing on RCs because they could take some low-toxicity LSD or Psilocybin instead.



:feelsbannedman:

About time some people with a brain/no ulterior motives started making laws.

Regarding fire being an analogue of the sun....you are a funny man ! :laugh2:

I am sad people died needlessly though any RC is a gamble cause you simply have no idea what it is however trusted a source is. If you gonna play with fire you need to do so with extreme care otherwise you could easy end up in a box.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: Sobercolober]
    #16698568 - 08/14/12 12:02 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.okcfox.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/kokh_vid_6165.shtml
Cody Weddle To Be Sentenced In Synthetic Drug Overdose Deaths
ADA, Okla. (AP) -- An Oklahoma man who pleaded no contest to second-degree murder in the overdose deaths of two people is scheduled to be sentenced.  Cody Weddle is due in court Monday for sentencing. He entered a blind plea last month to second-degree murder in the deaths of East Central University students Anastasia Jewell and Andrew Akerman.  Police arrested Weddle after eight people who drank a mixture containing the drug, Bromo-DragonFLY, fell violently ill at a party in Konawa.  Attorneys say Weddle rejected a plea deal that would have set a 10-year prison term.  The case prompted a change in Oklahoma law.  A bill signed into law this spring expands the definition of first-degree murder to include death resulting from the manufacturing of a controlled dangerous substance or synthetic controlled substance.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: 2ndChancesRDivine]
    #27756733 - 04/29/22 03:28 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I'm a survivor of this event.
Seems after almost 11 year I still can't escape it


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    #27756947 - 04/29/22 07:19 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

Would you perhaps be Ricky? That was such a tragic event. Many times survivors do  experience 'survivors guilt'. I hope you received counseling and have managed to move on and that life has been good for you and the other survivors from that night.


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Re: 1 Dead, 7 Hospitalized in Konawa, OK. 2C-E suspected. [Re: RP1987]
    #27757138 - 04/29/22 11:58 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

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I'm a survivor of this event.
Seems after almost 11 year I still can't escape it




Did it end up being 2C-E?

What kind of lasting effects has it had on you?


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