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    #14419316 - 05/08/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I find it interesting that the heart monitor at a hospital shows a line going up, down and then when a person dies, the line goes flat.

When I think of that, I think of pleasure and pain. Pleasure is our ups, and pain is our down.

Beyond my illusory life, exists something beyond pain and pleasure. Right now everything seems to be an ebb and flow of pain and pleasure. Beyond that is a mystery.

The flat-line is infinity, where pain and pleasure don't exist at all. I believe that this is Nothing.


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Re: up, down and then flat-line [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #14419329 - 05/08/11 12:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I believe the mind is so powerful that whatever you expect to happen after death actually happens. Beyond this I personally believe the Tibetan Book of the Dead.


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Re: up, down and then flat-line [Re: EternalCowabunga] * 3
    #14419348 - 05/08/11 12:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

actually, those lines are created by the depolarization of the ventricles.

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Re: up, down and then flat-line [Re: Samuel L Jackson]
    #14419356 - 05/08/11 12:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Errthings a pulse. Boomboom, boomboom, boomboom....


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Re: up, down and then flat-line [Re: auxiliary]
    #14419386 - 05/08/11 12:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I also believe that life is simply a preperation for death and that we transcend pain/pleasure while we are alife and exist in infinity


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Re: up, down and then flat-line [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #14419393 - 05/08/11 12:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

where's the DA? :satansmoking:


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Re: up, down and then flat-line [Re: auxiliary]
    #14419444 - 05/08/11 12:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

drugs, psychedelics, is life's way to start you on the path to infinity. drugs are extreme and rocky... you have to take drugs first because you are not prepared to experience the reality of transcendence as a "normal" occurence.

life is a journey from physical to spiritual. at first the spiritual things are so reality shattering that we seperate them from "normal reality". the experiences are "weird" and "mystical". right now i am on a path to a more spiritual plane, and i acknowledge you as purely illusory... well not totally. i am not completely ready yet. if i was, i wouldn't even be on this message board.

i have actually not consumed a pyschedelic in over 3 years. i am completely sober. i no longer need psychedelics or mystical states to reach infinity. do you know that your dreaming right now?


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Re: up, down and then flat-line [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #14419473 - 05/08/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Define dreaming. I'm a real person, btw, as are you.


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Re: up, down and then flat-line [Re: auxiliary]
    #14419567 - 05/08/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

^^Prove it.


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Re: up, down and then flat-line [Re: Cups]
    #14419587 - 05/08/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Can't. But if he can't prove I'm dreaming then I don't have to, right?


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Re: up, down and then flat-line [Re: auxiliary]
    #14419630 - 05/08/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

:shrug:

It's one of those rabbit holes you have to consider carefully before going down.

Everything is based on the shared assumption that everyone else is "real" when is reality it is simply unprovable.


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Re: up, down and then flat-line [Re: auxiliary]
    #14419635 - 05/08/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

We are most real when we meet reality in our dreams. For example, you see a friend in a dream and then you REALIZE that this is actually your "real" friend in your "dream".

Yesterday I met myself in a dream. I came in the form of my friend. I thought it was just a typical dream but then he said "have you noticed that god is becoming more liminal in your life?" and I had never heard the word liminal before and I had to look it up after I woke up... kinda "weird" eh? By the way it means "reaching a treshold"

Then I looked into his eyes and realized that he was the God form of me - the me that is the reality of dreaming and the dream of reality. Right before I realized this, he said "You didn't know this, but I am actually a spiritual person".

After I realized he was me, he became what I believe is my future self - the person I am destined to become. There was an aura around his eyes and then …his eyes looked like nothing I had ever seen. A  mix of incredible suffering and humbleness and godliness… and he said “I am with the lord”

You are a real person but you are also a dream person. Sometimes the dream form of you is more real than reality.


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Re: up, down and then flat-line [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #14419712 - 05/08/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It's ALL perception, and I have perceived nothing of the sort.


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Re: up, down and then flat-line [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14419913 - 05/08/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I believe the mind is so powerful that whatever you expect to happen after death actually happens.


Why do you believe this?


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Beyond this I personally believe the Tibetan Book of the Dead.


Why?


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: up, down and then flat-line [Re: Poid]
    #14430010 - 05/10/11 02:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I believe the mind is so powerful that whatever you expect to happen after death actually happens.


Why do you believe this?


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Beyond this I personally believe the Tibetan Book of the Dead.


Why?





All experiences, therefore everything we consider real is merely a figment of our senses configured inside our brains.  I know via the use of thoughts, meditation, psychedelics etc.  that my very perception of what is tangible can be altered internally, as opposed to externally.  Based on these experiences I personally believe what happens after death is a certain coming into terms with everything you have done in your life and the possibility to increase or decrease your oneness with the great totality that is.  It's just how I feel, obviously I have no proof to back up my beliefs.


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Re: up, down and then flat-line [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14430371 - 05/10/11 03:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

you're not allowed to do that here:shrug:


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Re: up, down and then flat-line [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14430413 - 05/10/11 03:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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It's just how I feel, obviously I have no proof to back up my beliefs.


This is a debate-oriented forum for the discussion of philosophical ideas that can be backed up with some sort of thoughtful logic and reasoning--if you just want to discuss your beliefs without having them challenged, try the Spirituality & Mysticism forum instead.


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: up, down and then flat-line [Re: Poid] * 1
    #14430514 - 05/10/11 03:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Oh....and asking why and telling someone they can't express their opinions are debating tactics these days I suppose.  Thoughtful logic and reasoning do not equal proof.  OP stated his opinion, I rebutted with mine.  What meaningful anything have you added to this thread?


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Re: up, down and then flat-line [Re: Poid]
    #14430524 - 05/10/11 03:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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It's just how I feel, obviously I have no proof to back up my beliefs.


This is a debate-oriented forum for the discussion of philosophical ideas that can be backed up with some sort of thoughtful logic and reasoning--if you just want to discuss your beliefs without having them challenged, try the Spirituality & Mysticism forum instead.




Thoughtful logic and reasoning is not the same thing as proof, dude.  Almost all philosophical arguments inevitably boil down to what people feel is intuitively true; you won't find proof outside of mathematical theorems and formal logic.  :tongue:


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Re: up, down and then flat-line [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14430532 - 05/10/11 03:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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What meaningful anything have you added to this thread?



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Re: up, down and then flat-line [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14430703 - 05/10/11 04:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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It's just how I feel, obviously I have no proof to back up my beliefs.


This is a debate-oriented forum for the discussion of philosophical ideas that can be backed up with some sort of thoughtful logic and reasoning--if you just want to discuss your beliefs without having them challenged, try the Spirituality & Mysticism forum instead.




Thoughtful logic and reasoning is not the same thing as proof, dude.  Almost all philosophical arguments inevitably boil down to what people feel is intuitively true; you won't find proof outside of mathematical theorems and formal logic.  :tongue:


I know this, but typically, when people say "proof", they mean "evidence"..I am assuming that is what he meant. By stating that that's just how he feels, and that he has no proof (or evidence) to back up his feelings, it's obvious that he should post them at S&M, where that type of thing is encouraged.



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Oh....and asking why and telling someone they can't express their opinions are debating tactics these days I suppose.


Chill out man, I'm just letting you know. :chillpill:


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Thoughtful logic and reasoning do not equal proof.  OP stated his opinion, I rebutted with mine.


Yeah, you just provided an opinion, you didn't provide any thoughtful logic or reasoning..your "reasoning" basically amounted to "This is how I feel, so I believe it's true.".


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What meaningful anything have you added to this thread?


Well, I gave you a friendly reminder about the expectations in this forum, and you seemed to have taken it offensively. :shrug:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: up, down and then flat-line [Re: Poid]
    #14430812 - 05/10/11 05:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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I understand your concern of forum integrity, and accept your statement that your remarks were not meant to be offensive.  I was being defensive and for that I apologize. I would even go so far as to say I was not aware of guidelines of this specific forum and you may actually have some basis to say what you said.  Yet(in the spirit of debate) all this hardly changes the fact that what you accomplished was further derailment of the op's topic.  And regardless of your or any definition of proof or evidence-  the topic is clearly on the afterlife and I would ask how any quantitative knowledge on this subject could be arrived at?


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Re: up, down and then flat-line [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14430880 - 05/10/11 05:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Poid said:Well, I gave you a friendly reminder about the expectations in this forum, and you seemed to have taken it offensively. :shrug:




I understand your concern of forum integrity, and accept your statement that your remarks were not meant to be offensive.  I was being defensive and for that I apologize. I would even go so far as to say I was not aware of guidelines of this specific forum and you may actually have some basis to say what you said.


I accept your apology--I had the feeling that you weren't aware of the forum guidelines, that's why I felt the need to help you out.


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Yet(in the spirit of debate) all this hardly changes the fact that what you accomplished was further derailment of the op's topic.


No I didn't..in my first post, I questioned a few of your beliefs; why you believe those questions were off-topic is beyond me. Why you think me letting you know about the forum guidelines is off-topic is also beyond me.


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And regardless of your or any definition of proof or evidence-  the topic is clearly on the afterlife and I would ask how any quantitative knowledge on this subject could be arrived at?


I don't know, that's why I questioned your beliefs.


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