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wocka
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just a tip for beginners,
#14418865 - 05/08/11 10:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i never had much success with the pf tek method untill i set up a tub with the perlite and cakes, and i left it in the spare room for a couple days untill i saw mature shrooms.
i didnt mist it, open it, or fan it once, and after a couple days i had my best grow!
so yah. if u got the perlite shot gun chamber dont touch it!
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nynole
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Re: just a tip for beginners, [Re: wocka]
#14418882 - 05/08/11 10:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Interesting, I've been complaining about having to fan and mist 6 times a day. I would say that I would experiment with this, but I'm done w/ cakes. Monotubs are in my future
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Re: just a tip for beginners, [Re: wocka]
#14418885 - 05/08/11 10:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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There needs to be a way for air to move though. If it sits in a room untouched air will stop moving and thus smaller fruits because of co2 build up. Plus its better to watch it to make sure it dosent dry out.
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wocka
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Re: just a tip for beginners, [Re: skiddy]
#14418923 - 05/08/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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you deff dont have to fan at all, or even mist. i think misting over saturates the shrooms with water anyway. if you have perlite in there like the normal tek thats all the water you need
before i would mist and fan so much and i had the shittiest grows, i came to the conclusion that it kept messing with the humidity, dropping it out etc.
but if you dont touch it, the tub will set up its own rhythm,
and its just not in a spare room with the door closed, maybe i should of added that you should have a fan on a low setting to cycle the air around. i used a cool mist humidifier in the room to do this,
but i swear ive gotten more fruits from these PF tek cakes than i would of ever got if i broke them down into a monotub
monotubs are just overkill in my opinion, theres so many possibilitys to fuck it up, with adding coco coir which may contaminate and other stuff like that, for what? your not getting more shrooms... your just adding more work for nothing. keep it simple, and i just figured that out after 2 years of messing around with so-so grows... no more casing for me!
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Re: just a tip for beginners, [Re: wocka]
#14419007 - 05/08/11 10:58 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
wocka said:
monotubs are just overkill in my opinion, theres so many possibilitys to fuck it up, with adding coco coir which may contaminate and other stuff like that, for what? your not getting more shrooms... your just adding more work for nothing.
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Re: just a tip for beginners, [Re: MOPE]
#14419017 - 05/08/11 11:01 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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afrosheen
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Re: just a tip for beginners, [Re: tripdawg420]
#14419035 - 05/08/11 11:07 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh man, hilarious. Monotubs are less work and easier for the sheer volume they provide. I guess if you enjoy injecting spores 4 times for 24 jars, mixing up those jars initially and the hours of work that go into that you have a point.
I'm getting tired just thinking about PC'ing that many jars to get a grow comparable to a single monotub.
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wocka
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Re: just a tip for beginners, [Re: afrosheen]
#14419556 - 05/08/11 01:08 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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damn you guys look for the worst in my posts. cool bro. so your saying a pint cake in a caseing is gonna have more fruit than a pint cake that was in a shotgun chamber with perlite?
no matter if you crumble it into a caseing for a monotub or keep it a cake,its still the same amount of cake to begin with... so why add the extra steps, but you guys think im saying one cake is better than a monotub, but the monotub obviously has more mycelium..
i dont inoculate each jar 4 times that rediculous, i do it just once,
i dont even use a pressure cooker for the pf tek, i have a big boiler that i can put 8 - pint jars - into, and just boil it for an hour so its accually pretty easy work...
ya a monotub is better for 50 jar grows but most people arent growing that much. and why would u ever want to put all your eggs in one basket.... deet de deet
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Re: just a tip for beginners, [Re: wocka]
#14419623 - 05/08/11 01:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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lol they weren't looking for anything your posts are just horrible all together...
We don't crumble cakes for monos moron we use grain...
If I was you I would just keep my tips to myself... Giving out bad info will just cause other people to fail due to your stupidity...
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Daft Punk
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50 grow jars?! lol. i mean if you are pc'ing 50 pint jars, you are talking about an insane amount of labor. yes if you are using brf cakes then i agree it is better to just fruit them without casing, but that is my personal opinion. this isnt a fact.
also you are forgetting something. you dont need a massive amount of grain to create a big monotub. (oh wait you arent even using grain thats right!). but lets just hypothetically say you were trying to branch out of brf teks. the reason that people use 1:1 ratios is because it doesnt contaminate as easily if there is a lot of grain. the myc can cover whatever sub you are using quickly before any contams can start. do you think professional mushroom cultivators use the proportions you are talking about? fuck no. that would mean they lose so much money. and while they do have better sterile techniques and a refined system, the fact is that you are speaking out of your ass.
and seriously man. just from the things you say in your posts it really sounds like you just half ass a lot of things (not mentioning circulation in the first post, not using a pc, 50 jars to make a monotub). yeah it looks like you have a decent amount of posts compared to someone like myself but please dont give any more advice to people like this.
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Re: just a tip for beginners, [Re: Daft Punk]
#14419971 - 05/08/11 02:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was going to comment but my mind is blown
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Now, now. Go easy. Many growers use crumbled cakes as spawn effectively. I still like the verm layer's effectiveness in maintaining sterile conditions.
If I want a ton of spawn then I will likely drop rye berries into a grain sack. So, we agree on technique, but there are many ways to skin this cat.
It would be advisable for the OP to be less definitive, given that he is generalizing a bit much.
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skiddy
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Re: just a tip for beginners, [Re: Javadog]
#14420326 - 05/08/11 04:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Monotub = more shrooms
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wocka
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Re: just a tip for beginners, [Re: skiddy]
#14421629 - 05/08/11 08:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i win cuz were talking about the pf tek from the first post,not monotubs, not pf tek vs rye berrys or wbs... thats were u guys went off on a rave, and how do i not have circulation? cuz i dont fan it? the thing is designed to have air go through it !! there for it cirulates itself... lol. look up shotgun FC.
and even basic RR videos say you can sterilize brown rice flour and vermiculite jars with steam for 90 mins. if you have a 50 jar grow it doesnt mean you load it all up at once, a few jars every few day so u keep a cycle. you'se guys problems is u just jump to conclusions due to lack of information.
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Re: just a tip for beginners, [Re: wocka]
#14421902 - 05/08/11 09:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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as far as monotubs go i do them but i make them small shoebox monos as to not but all my eggs in one basket and they produce an oz dry on first flush on average so 4 quarts of spawn = 4 monos = quarter pound dry boomers and if one fucks up its not a loss really and they cost me about 10 dollars to make
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Re: just a tip for beginners, [Re: wocka]
#14421958 - 05/08/11 09:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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wocka said: i win cuz were talking about the pf tek from the first post,not monotubs, not pf tek vs rye berrys or wbs... thats were u guys went off on a rave, and how do i not have circulation? cuz i dont fan it? the thing is designed to have air go through it !! there for it cirulates itself... lol. look up shotgun FC.
and even basic RR videos say you can sterilize brown rice flour and vermiculite jars with steam for 90 mins. if you have a 50 jar grow it doesnt mean you load it all up at once, a few jars every few day so u keep a cycle. you'se guys problems is u just jump to conclusions due to lack of information.
you win?
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steelmonkey
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Thats hilarious
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Re: just a tip for beginners, [Re: wocka]
#14422242 - 05/08/11 10:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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wocka said: i win cuz were talking about the pf tek from the first post,not monotubs, not pf tek vs rye berrys or wbs... thats were u guys went off on a rave, and how do i not have circulation? cuz i dont fan it? the thing is designed to have air go through it !! there for it cirulates itself... lol. look up shotgun FC.
and even basic RR videos say you can sterilize brown rice flour and vermiculite jars with steam for 90 mins. if you have a 50 jar grow it doesnt mean you load it all up at once, a few jars every few day so u keep a cycle. you'se guys problems is u just jump to conclusions due to lack of information.
nah, what set people off is that you said monotubs are more work...which isn't the case...
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Re: just a tip for beginners, [Re: steelmonkey]
#14422264 - 05/08/11 10:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dude you don't know what your talking about. Well, you think you do but in reality your logic is way off.
Get real most people who do monotubs don't fuck around with cakes anymore. GRAIN SPAWN man...which is way better IMO. What do you mean 50 jar grow? fuck that man how about 4 qt jars of grain. When done right monos are waaaaay easier than fucking around with a shotgun and give you huge yields with huge fruits. Pressure cooking is easier, more effective, and opens up way more doors in this hobby than steam sterilizing.
I think your pissing people off when you are claiming your experience is THE TRUTH. There are tried and true facts around here, there really are, and you can't really argue with the "way" around here. So quit claiming that YOUR RIGHT, and that YOU WIN and just say you had a successful grow.
how about some fucking pics of these "awesome" cakes.
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steelmonkey
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Re: just a tip for beginners, [Re: shroomiin]
#14422312 - 05/08/11 10:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm still laughing at punkrockers sig...I smell a troll anyway
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