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O(b/s)ama; Who's the real terrorist?
    #14418840 - 05/08/11 10:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)



One man's hero is another man's terrorist. :billnye: Who do you think are the real terrorists on this world stage? The US or the Middle East?

Edited by sunset_mission (05/08/11 10:20 AM)

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Re: O(b/s)ama; Who's the real terrorist? [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14418852 - 05/08/11 10:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

In the past hundred years America has been in 11 wars. :satansmoking:


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Re: O(b/s)ama; Who's the real terrorist? [Re: learningtofly]
    #14418855 - 05/08/11 10:18 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

12 if you count Libya.


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Re: O(b/s)ama; Who's the real terrorist? [Re: learningtofly]
    #14418863 - 05/08/11 10:21 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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learningtofly said:
12 if you count Libya.




It's all in the name of :peace: though, brah. :fasted::Shulman:

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Re: O(b/s)ama; Who's the real terrorist? [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14418868 - 05/08/11 10:22 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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“I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace.”



-George Bush II


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Re: O(b/s)ama; Who's the real terrorist? [Re: learningtofly]
    #14418886 - 05/08/11 10:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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learningtofly said:
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“I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace.”



-George Bush II




I'm guessing when he refers to slavery, he really means freedom, and when ignorance is brought up, it's implied that it means strength too? :smilingpuppy:

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Re: O(b/s)ama; Who's the real terrorist? [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14418892 - 05/08/11 10:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think everyone who supports the violence on either side, and those who don't believe in the violence but don't stand up and speak their opposition are the true terrorists.  Without armies wars could not be fought.

To answer your question op, I think they're both pawns to something much larger and probably both did/do what they think the right thing was.  I dislike them both though and think they would both qualify as terrorists.

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Re: O(b/s)ama; Who's the real terrorist? [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14418907 - 05/08/11 10:31 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

True

I'm goinng to decide tomorrow if I should follow.
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Re: O(b/s)ama; Who's the real terrorist? [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14418920 - 05/08/11 10:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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sunset_mission said:


One man's hero is another man's terrorist. :billnye: Who do you think are the real terrorists on this world stage? The US or the Middle East?





Its pretty much impossible to answer this question and be wrong or right, which is why I love it!

I tend to kick it pretty neutral, so as you can imagine I'm pretty "Meh" about the whole situation. Is Osama "bad" for being responsible for the deaths of many? Probably. Is Obama "bad" for the same reason? Probably.  By the US definition of terrorists, they both fit the description.  For you nerds out there, this is why they took character alignment out of D&D eventually, in the "real" world there is no such thing as good and evil. In my mind I like to believe that every action benefits one party while hindering another. Its all about balance man. :feelsbalancedman:


To quote the gunsmith from Trigun -  " You help someone, then someone else suffers. That is how this world works. That is why I've decided to do nothin'.. Thats all I do, nothin' but drink!"


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Re: O(b/s)ama; Who's the real terrorist? [Re: learningtofly]
    #14418927 - 05/08/11 10:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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learningtofly said:
12 if you count Libya.




And lost most of them. U mad?

:Trollface:

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Re: O(b/s)ama; Who's the real terrorist? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #14418929 - 05/08/11 10:39 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

aww Larkin I miss your old avatar already!



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Re: O(b/s)ama; Who's the real terrorist? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #14418940 - 05/08/11 10:42 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

12 if you count Libya.
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Mad_Larkin said:
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learningtofly said:
12 if you count Libya.




And lost most of them. U mad?

:Trollface:



According to us we won most of them. The winners write the history books.


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Re: O(b/s)ama; Who's the real terrorist? [Re: learningtofly]
    #14418950 - 05/08/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Equipto said:
aww Larkin I miss your old avatar already!






... should I change it back? :strokebeard:

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learningtofly said:
12 if you count Libya.
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Mad_Larkin said:
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learningtofly said:
12 if you count Libya.




And lost most of them. U mad?

:Trollface:



According to us we won most of them. The winners write the history books.




Yeah I'm just trolling. You guys are pretty good at war, almost as good as us Brits.
:datass:

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Re: O(b/s)ama; Who's the real terrorist? [Re: Equipto]
    #14418958 - 05/08/11 10:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

meh, who knows. Its not like Osama just woke up one day in the desert and thought "hey, i think ill plan to kill a bunch of innocents overseas today! that'll be fun" Osama had his reasons. He experienced first hand of how the USA will fund you when their interests are involved, and then just leave you stranded as soon as we were through. He watched as his country was torn to pieces for natural resources, along with civil war.

people make it out to be that osama and terrorists just hate america for no real reason, "they hate our freedom and way of life" pffft, ya alright buddy.

if i was in osama's situation, i would have been pretty fuckin mad too. would i have gone so far as to kill 3,000 innocents? who knows?  :shrug:

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Re: O(b/s)ama; Who's the real terrorist? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #14418960 - 05/08/11 10:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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... should I change it back? :strokebeard:






haha up to you man, I did dig that frog tho!


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Re: O(b/s)ama; Who's the real terrorist? [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #14418967 - 05/08/11 10:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

lol osama was a political pawn himself.  I guarantee he wasn't the soul mastermind behind 9/11.  That was collaborate between many people, even if he hadn't been used to the forefront of the group, someone else would have.
Almost reminds me of our presidency... puppets, people behind the scenes, poop on chest.

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Re: O(b/s)ama; Who's the real terrorist? [Re: Equipto]
    #14418973 - 05/08/11 10:50 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah me too. :strokebeard:

I miss his chillin' vibes.

Fuck it, changing back. :snoop:

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Re: O(b/s)ama; Who's the real terrorist? [Re: smalltownkid096]
    #14419021 - 05/08/11 11:02 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Osama had his reasons. He experienced first hand of how the USA will fund you when their interests are involved, and then just leave you stranded as soon as we were through. He watched as his country was torn to pieces for natural resources, along with civil war.




Are you under the impression that Osama is an Afghan? He's from Saudi Arabia. His country went from Bedouin nomads to a country even more obese than America (seriously) and his dad was one of the most successful construction contractors in the whole country. Al Qaeda and all the other Arabs went to Afghanistan as war tourists to get a piece of global jihad.

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people make it out to be that osama and terrorists just hate america for no real reason, "they hate our freedom and way of life" pffft, ya alright buddy.




The motivation behind Sunni extremism IS a hatred of our way of life. They believe that you can use the Islamic law as a literal set of rules to govern today's society, and they thought that 9/11 would be the first step in the fall of America and a return to the 1200s.

To look at the whole thing and just say "oh, well, they did something wrong, we did something wrong, who knows who's right" is doing the right thing for the wrong reasons. Yes, as individual citizens, you and I can do absolutely fuckall to fix any of this, and caring about it is probably a mistake, but it's not because the situation is so  unknowable that everybody's morally equivalent.


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Re: O(b/s)ama; Who's the real terrorist? [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #14419023 - 05/08/11 11:04 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Unlike what Kid_orgo says that we hate freedom, let him tell us why didn't we attack Sweden, for example.

-Osama Bin Laden


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Re: O(b/s)ama; Who's the real terrorist? [Re: Maverick]
    #14419030 - 05/08/11 11:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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lol osama was a political pawn himself.  I guarantee he wasn't the soul mastermind behind 9/11.  That was collaborate between many people, even if he hadn't been used to the forefront of the group, someone else would have.
Almost reminds me of our presidency... puppets, people behind the scenes, poop on chest.




Osama was the money behind these and other attacks.

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is the man you're talking about, that actually put the damn thing together.


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