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Re: Bin Laden [Re: Not Quite Social]
    #14414180 - 05/07/11 08:07 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I guess what we were doing in the 70' and 80's was proof of us having knowledge of what he was doing in the 90's

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Re: Bin Laden [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #14414265 - 05/07/11 08:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I didn't say that.  I'll paraphrase Aesop: come to the aid of a snake, don't be surprised when you get bit; to some extent you have yourself to blame. --Blame doesn't really matter, though.  It's just the story of the CIA always using bin Laden, at every turn, to play global power games, to grow and perpetuate itself (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret-america/), and to enrich arms dealers and oil men (companies that pump money into both D's & R's to guarantee the perpetuation of the military state).  It is the self-serving thing that it is.  God Bless America!  Rah, rah, rah, CIA!  Booyah! Semper Fi! USA! USA!


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Re: Bin Laden [Re: Not Quite Social]
    #14414800 - 05/07/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

He is PATSY

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Re: Bin Laden [Re: Not Quite Social]
    #14414836 - 05/07/11 11:44 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)


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Re: Bin Laden [Re: zzripz]
    #14416402 - 05/07/11 07:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

> Osama Bin Laden Has Been Dead For Years

Yes, we know... and Elvis is still alive, the moon landings were faked, chemtrails turn people into zombies, Bush blew up the WTC, and reptiles rule the planet.  :rolleyes:

The fantasy forum is two doors down on the left.  Don't let the door smack you in the ass on the way out.

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Re: Bin Laden [Re: Seuss]
    #14416734 - 05/07/11 09:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Seuss said:
> Osama Bin Laden Has Been Dead For Years

Yes, we know... and Elvis is still alive, the moon landings were faked, chemtrails turn people into zombies, Bush blew up the WTC, and reptiles rule the planet.  :rolleyes:

The fantasy forum is two doors down on the left.  Don't let the door smack you in the ass on the way out.



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Re: Bin Laden [Re: Seuss]
    #14416793 - 05/07/11 09:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Seuss said:
> Osama Bin Laden Has Been Dead For Years

Yes, we know... and Elvis is still alive, the moon landings were faked, chemtrails turn people into zombies, Bush blew up the WTC, and reptiles rule the planet.  :rolleyes:

The fantasy forum is two doors down on the left.  Don't let the door smack you in the ass on the way out.




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Re: Bin Laden [Re: johnm214]
    #14417761 - 05/08/11 01:34 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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How is that an honest question?




Stop trying to define the terms of the debate dude, its really annoying!


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I don't understand how you justify attributing moral responsiblity for (someone- US for sure) to those enfocing sanctions legally applied (at least you've made no argument contrary and it seemed legal- at least prima facia) to the regime that specifically provided a mechnism for food and medicine to be imported. 




What the fuck are you talking about?

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Is there reasonable assurance that the situation would have largely improved had the sanctions been eliminated?  (without Saddam letting up on his stupid policies crippling the economy, just to make a political point)




Of course! do you have any idea how different the situation was in Iraq prior to gulf war I and the sanctions? This has to be one of the most stupid questions I have ever heard.


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Re: Bin Laden [Re: zzripz]
    #14417804 - 05/08/11 01:48 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Oh My Giddy Aunt!!!!!!
Listen up: OBAMA OOOPS I MEAN OSAMA DIED YEARS AGO!!!!!!!!!!!!

DO YOU GET IT??




lol, well if some manc monkey says it then I guess it must be true! Care to provide some evidence tho mate? :smile:


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Re: Bin Laden [Re: Phred]
    #14417858 - 05/08/11 02:05 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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And that leads us to the second big reason you believe the ridiculous things you do - your inability to think things through logically. It never occurs to you that if the forceful removal of Hussein from power is prohibited, then the result will be that Hussein remains in power. 





I have already dealt with that very point.

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Again, your lack of reading comprehension rears its head. No, GazzBut, as a Minarchist/Libertarian/Laissez-faire Capitalist/Classical Liberal I most emphatically reject the notion that the end justifies the means. That's the Collectivist mantra - your mantra. Despite our numerous confrontations over the years in this forum covering this exact same concept, you still are unable to grasp it.




Still putting words in peoples mouths?

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Motives are irrelevant




Fuck off. The reasons are corrupt leaders choose to do things are certainly not irrelevant.

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Either it was correct to forcefully remove Hussein from power or it wasn't.




It obviously was not.

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. Whether the decision was made out of concern he would supply terrorists a few hundred kilos of Sarin gas or to get him to stop murdering Iraqis makes not the tiniest bit of difference to the morality of the removal.




How did you forget to mention the oil?

Surely though, what you are saying here is the end justifies the means?


And morality? Oh please dude. Once your solution involves murdering thousands upon thousands of innocent people you lose the right to pretend your actions involve any kind of morality.

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Yeah.... that "people's revolution" in Iraq in 1991 worked out so well for them. And of course the only reason the Egyptians and Tunisians even dared to try a revolt at all was because they had seen a functioning Arab democracy (post-Saddam Iraq) nearby and were inspired by it.




:facepalm3:

That has to be one of the most ridiculous things you have ever said.


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Re: Bin Laden [Re: GazzBut]
    #14418149 - 05/08/11 03:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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GazzBut said:

Listen up: OBAMA / OSAMA

DO YOU GET IT?



What i get is the only difference between the two is the B/S in their names.
And between the B and S:
teh Amalgamated Masonic and Alchemist Overlords.
You know how these occultists like to play games with the numeracy and shit.They love putting it in black and white and laugh at our stupidity.

A little less of the lunatic fringe.
I am sure as sure can be, that the harddrives found in this raid will be used to for the furtherence of the cause of world domination.
Be suprised if 'evidence' wasn't found linking OBL to Amadinijad in iran,possible pointing to a terrorist device/dirty bomb, that the CIA plant 'find' just in time to avert a major incident,and give them just the excuse they've been looking for to,at very least,destroy Iran's nuclear industry.


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Re: Bin Laden [Re: deucedbi9]
    #14418482 - 05/08/11 07:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

LOOK kiddios. Look wise guys. I was doing this psychedelic scene before you were born. I was with the people who said the fanous saying 'dont trust anyone over 30'...Remember that? bet you dont, because most of you i reckon just hangout here readin trolls and trollin and backin each others BS up with silly custom made emoticons

So yeah--dont trust anyone over 30. Quite a dramatic statement and it was coming from a generation who having taken psychedelics and having their eyes opened suddenly found themselves slap down in the middle of a freakin NIGHTMARE. A horrible straight, war crazed, racist, homophobic, sexually repressed, pill popping concrete hell. But hey you here not ONLY trust people over 30 you believe what we used to call 'the Man'--ie the System, and all the propaganda BS coming from the mouths of warmongers. How times have changed hey. is this what Bob Dylan meant with his song 'The Times are Changing' http://www.zappinternet.com/video/ViMsTofFek/Bob-Dylan-The-Times-they-are-A-changin-1965 SHUDDER!!! Shit did he mean you youth beliving a warmongering lying president and his henchmen? Oh my GIDDY Aunt! Or are you older? orrr AARE you Government plants?? that would make sense. They have actually admitted they are infiltrating the Internet so they can win a psychological warfare....hmmmm some of the stuff said here, makes me wonder. After all propaganda works like that. Silly quip remarks backin up the staus quo--that is part of propaganda

Oh, by the way, I HAVE found evidence that Obama is dead as they say, here it is check it out!
US releases photographic evidence that Osama Bin Laden is dead

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Re: Bin Laden [Re: GazzBut] * 1
    #14418683 - 05/08/11 09:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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GazzBut said:
Just because I oppose violent regime change to plunder oil reserves, under the guise of some humanitarian crusade or to secure our "safety" does not mean I have to support the regime that is being attacked.




I can't believe people are still spouting the "we attacked Iraq for oil" bullshit. If we are getting so much oil out of the invasion of Iraq then why are gas prices so high?

Also, why did the US get none of the contracts for the Iraqi oilfields ?


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Re: Bin Laden [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #14419281 - 05/08/11 12:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

who do you think is getting rich?

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Re: Bin Laden [Re: zzripz]
    #14419293 - 05/08/11 12:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Lots of people.  Why do you ask?  You have a problem with that?


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Re: Bin Laden [Re: GazzBut]
    #14419450 - 05/08/11 12:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Phred: It never occurs to you that if the forceful removal of Hussein from power is prohibited, then the result will be that Hussein remains in power. 

GazzBut: I have already dealt with that very point.




"Dealt with" how? Acknowledged it? Refuted it? Ignored it? Clarify.

If you acknowledge the point, then you must also  acknowledge that those (like yourself) who opposed the forceful removal of Hussein  necessarily preferred he remain in power. That's all I have ever pointed out, and no - that is not "twisting" your position.

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Phred: Motives are irrelevant.

GazzBut: Fuck off. The reasons are corrupt leaders choose to do things are certainly not irrelevant.




Again you demonstrate your sub-par reading comprehension. I said the motives for performing an action are not relevant to determining the morality (or "rightness" or "justness" or "legitimacy" or "acceptability" or whatever) of that action. And they are not. This is self-evident.

If it is moral (or right or good or correct or ethical or just or whatever) for you to physically subdue a mugger molesting a young woman, it remains moral whether you did so out of a sense of religious duty, or in the hopes that she would pay you a big reward, or to show off for an admiring audience your mad Kung Fu skillz, or with the thought that you could get her to go on a date with you out of gratitude, or because you get a perverse kick out of breaking peoples' noses and this is one of the very few socially acceptable opportunities you will ever get to do just that outside a boxing ring. Your motivation for assisting her does nothing whatsoever to diminish (or to enhance) the rightness (or wrongness) of your action. 

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Phred: Either it was correct to forcefully remove Hussein from power or it wasn't.

GazzBut: It obviously was not.




If this is still your belief, then quite clearly your preference is for Hussein (or one of his sociopathic sons by now, perhaps) to still be running the show in Iraq. My pointing out this obvious fact is not "putting words" in your mouth.

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How did you forget to mention the oil?




I didn't forget, I merely pointed out how motives are irrelevant to the determination of the morality of an action. Any motives. I could have added "securing an oil supply" to my short list of possible motives, but I could have added a dozen more, too, none of which would have been relevant either.

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Surely though, what you are saying here is the end justifies the means?




No, I am not. The two concepts aren't even remotely comparable, and why you persist after all these years in conflating them is a source of continuing amusement to the veteran posters here.

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And morality? Oh please dude. Once your solution involves murdering thousands upon thousands of innocent people you lose the right to pretend your actions involve any kind of morality.




So England's actions in the 1940's lacked any kind of morality? An interesting take on things.






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Re: Bin Laden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14420226 - 05/08/11 03:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Lots of people.  Why do you ask?  You have a problem with that?




what freakin world you living in person??!

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Re: Bin Laden [Re: zzripz]
    #14420507 - 05/08/11 05:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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zzripz said:
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zappaisgod said:
Lots of people.  Why do you ask?  You have a problem with that?




what freakin world you living in person??!



I ask again.  What is your problem with people making money?  They aren't taking any away from you so, WHAT IS YOUR FUCKING PROBLEM?


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Re: Bin Laden [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14420702 - 05/08/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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http://www.putlocker.com/file/5D60325112E9D74B#

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Re: Bin Laden [Re: OoBYCoO]
    #14422831 - 05/09/11 12:54 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Do you think Pakistan is going to give America Osama's wives and children?


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