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Thick Layer over Mycelium in Tray?
    #14415768 - 05/07/11 03:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

This is my first attempt at some sort of bulk. I have only done cakes before this.

I have some 6qt shoe box size trays in fruiting conditions in my greenhouse. It took a while for them to start pinning, about 2 weeks. Now the pins are growing very slowly, the largest one being about 1 1/2 inches tall after 4 days of growing.

There is also some kind of thick film over the mycelium that the pins are having a hard time breaking through. A lot of them are stuck under it unable to make it up.

Took some pics.

Does anyone have any ideas or advice on what to do, if anything?

Thanks.







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Re: Thick Layer over Mycelium in Tray? [Re: Rylosie]
    #14415823 - 05/07/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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There is also some kind of thick film over the mycelium that the pins are having a hard time breaking through. A lot of them are stuck under it unable to make it up.



the pins do not develop under the surface and 'break through',

they develop from the surface of the mycelium.

the mycelium itself forms pins.


its your fruiting or substrate conditions that have to be changed;

too much water, not enough fae, and so on.


youre growing from spores, right? -> multi spore genetics


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Re: Thick Layer over Mycelium in Tray? [Re: higgledy-piggledy]
    #14415892 - 05/07/11 03:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Yes I know they are not supposed to develop under and break through. There is something over the mycelium, I do not know what it is.

When I get it wet it makes it more transparent as shown in the pic, and you can see all the little brown pin heads underneath it. I almost want to peel it off but it rips. It has the consistency of, I don't know...like a thick jello maybe?

I do not know what caused it to happen so I hoped someone else had experienced this, as I have 4 more trays behind this one and I would not like a repeat of this.

Yes MS spores, to rye, to coir/verm/gypsum.


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Re: Thick Layer over Mycelium in Tray? [Re: Rylosie]
    #14416105 - 05/07/11 04:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

that's weird shit.
and i don't know what to say, but that's weird shit.


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Re: Thick Layer over Mycelium in Tray? [Re: Fungal growth]
    #14416129 - 05/07/11 04:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

overlay?


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Re: Thick Layer over Mycelium in Tray? [Re: wow]
    #14416191 - 05/07/11 05:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

no man i kno what he is talking bout i can see it in the pic. How long did it take for pins to form since you started fruiting it???


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Re: Thick Layer over Mycelium in Tray? [Re: wow]
    #14416192 - 05/07/11 05:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The only thing I read on here after searching that it sounds close to is overlay, but everyone says it is rare, and everyone thinks they have it when they don't, and that it only occurs when cased...so I did not want to ask if that is what it is...

But if it was that, what should I do? Is there anything I can do to help? Or if it is not overlay, any suggestions?

I am sad about my first tray :sad:


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Re: Thick Layer over Mycelium in Tray? [Re: Rylosie]
    #14416196 - 05/07/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It took some time for it to begin fruiting, almost 2 weeks.


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Re: Thick Layer over Mycelium in Tray? [Re: Rylosie]
    #14416718 - 05/07/11 09:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'll take a stab at it and say its just myc thats soaked up water Ive had gelatinous opague myc full of water on the bottom of my trays occasionally


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Re: Thick Layer over Mycelium in Tray? [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14416752 - 05/07/11 09:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

That's the weird latex-y thing that surface myc does sometimes. I'm not sure when or how it happens, but I've seen it many times. I've seen tubs/trays looking perfectly normal during colonization then this happens to them. It's a mystery but doesn't seem to be bad.

Just give those pins some time, they'll push through. That skin isn't very strong, you can break it with very little force.


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Re: Thick Layer over Mycelium in Tray? [Re: afrosheen]
    #14416788 - 05/07/11 09:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

yea ...like skin...but the pins will break on through


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Re: Thick Layer over Mycelium in Tray? [Re: penhed]
    #14418213 - 05/08/11 04:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ok thanks guys. I will just let it keep doing its thing and see what happens :smile:


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Re: Thick Layer over Mycelium in Tray? [Re: Rylosie]
    #14418374 - 05/08/11 06:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

What about when you have a casing layer? Is the mycelium supposed to grow through without colonization? I have a bag of Coprinus comatus which has some mycelium growth over the peat moss/gypsum casing. I had assumed the mushrooms would pop through the casing layer, but since its got nutrients, I don't know. This is my first time casing anything.


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Re: Thick Layer over Mycelium in Tray? [Re: Terry M]
    #14428675 - 05/10/11 07:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

3 days later.





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Re: Thick Layer over Mycelium in Tray? [Re: Rylosie]
    #14428939 - 05/10/11 09:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

those are georgeous! what strain?
looks like crs to me. am i right?


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Re: Thick Layer over Mycelium in Tray? [Re: Fungal growth]
    #14430021 - 05/10/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you :smile: Yes it is cr ms from Sporeworks. My first bulk grow and my first cr grow :thumbup:


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Re: Thick Layer over Mycelium in Tray? [Re: Rylosie]
    #14430545 - 05/10/11 03:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Excellent guess fungal growth! do you know what these are




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Re: Thick Layer over Mycelium in Tray? [Re: steelmonkey]
    #14433900 - 05/11/11 08:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

thats strain i call 'a fuckton of shrooms'.
wild guess, PESA? they look like mine, anyway.
crs is somewhat unique looking, and it's one of 3 strains
i've been working with regularly. other strains, i'm not
so good at guessing.


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