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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14463327 - 05/16/11 05:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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DeadHearts said:
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zappaisgod said:
Drug prohibition is functionally dick for most people.  They don't really care. And no, I do not want the office of the federal executive to be involved in education AT ALL.  I do not believe that any amount of education will sway the public's mind regarding prohibition.





You saying it means dick for "most people" is garbage at best. Almost everyone
in one way or another is affected by the war on drugs. Do you realize how much money
is invested is this pointless war??


  Most people want it.
Quote:



Educating the public should not be something the governemnt should stick its nose
into except for drugs IMO. Because they were the ones that help spew all the disinfo
in the first place.




Nope.  Stop blaming the government.  It's your neighbors.  They want drug prohibition.  Education won't change that.  They WANT to tell you how to behave.


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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14463345 - 05/16/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Tell me how education about drugs and making it well known how much money is wrapped up in drug prohibition wont help anything.


So we should just stay business as usual right?


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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14463350 - 05/16/11 05:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Because "thats what the people want"???

Dude. WTF.


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OfflineVsnares.Zappa
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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14463356 - 05/16/11 05:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

ZappaisGod:
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  Most people want it.



Most people are idiots


Edited by Vsnares.Zappa (05/16/11 05:45 PM)


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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: Vsnares.Zappa]
    #14463360 - 05/16/11 05:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Vsnares.Zappa said:
Most people are idiots




Which is why abolishing public education is a terrible idea.


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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: Vsnares.Zappa]
    #14463368 - 05/16/11 05:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Vsnares.Zappa said:
Most people are idiots





Education helps that.


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InvisibleLe_Canard
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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14463374 - 05/16/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'll have to agree with Zappaisgod on most points he raised. RP is an extremist kook and his chances of getting elected are dismal at best.


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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14463375 - 05/16/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

And if it doesnt help the people that are to fuckin stubborn then it will help the youth that are not so death grip set in their mindless ways.


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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14463472 - 05/16/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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DeadHearts said:
Tell me how education about drugs and making it well known how much money is wrapped up in drug prohibition wont help anything.


So we should just stay business as usual right?



Be careful what you wish for.  I think the amount of money spent is irrelevant to most people because they think drug legalization will put them on the hook for medical expenses.


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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #14463484 - 05/16/11 05:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Gastronomicus said:
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Vsnares.Zappa said:
Most people are idiots




Which is why abolishing public education is a terrible idea.



What do you think produced those idiots?:facepalm:


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InvisibleDeadHearts


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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14463514 - 05/16/11 05:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

DeadHearts said:
Tell me how education about drugs and making it well known how much money is wrapped up in drug prohibition wont help anything.


So we should just stay business as usual right?



Be careful what you wish for.  I think the amount of money spent is irrelevant to most people because they think drug legalization will put them on the hook for medical expenses.





We would only have to spend a fraction to educate rather than putting people in
prison for simply choosing what they want to put into their body. Building prisons
and tearing family's apart because the government tells us how much worse off we would
be if drugs are allowed on the street. Drugs that will be there and consumed regardless
of how strict penalty's are.


Come on man.


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OfflineVsnares.Zappa
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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14463531 - 05/16/11 05:53 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It's not the concept of public education in itself that cause mediocre education. It's just that politicians have been cutting in the social services because of budget austerity pressured by greedy corporate pigs.


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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: DeadHearts]
    #14463576 - 05/16/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

DeadHearts said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

DeadHearts said:
Tell me how education about drugs and making it well known how much money is wrapped up in drug prohibition wont help anything.


So we should just stay business as usual right?



Be careful what you wish for.  I think the amount of money spent is irrelevant to most people because they think drug legalization will put them on the hook for medical expenses.





We would only have to spend a fraction to educate rather than putting people in
prison for simply choosing what they want to put into their body. Building prisons
and tearing family's apart because the government tells us how much worse off we would
be if drugs are allowed on the street. Drugs that will be there and consumed regardless
of how strict penalty's are.


Come on man.



I'm going to say this YET AGAIN.  I believe that all drugs should be available for all adults to use at their whim.  No one should be imprisoned for either using or selling, unless they mislabel.  I also believe that anybody who abuses drugs and finds himself fucked is automatically excluded from ANY government help.  My position saves real money.  What is your position on rescuing drug abusing losers who fuck themselves up?


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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14463600 - 05/16/11 06:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I will say RP's affinity to the constitution and ideas on foreign policy are at best outdated.  At the same time I couldn't give one fuck and would rather have him in office as opposed to literally anyone else who has announced their candidacy.  I mean a lot of whether people like him or not comes down to their world views.  Personally I don't think America (our gov. because they make the choices) is any better then any other country and we really need to fuck off with that attitude and also the idea that we are somehow allowed to magically police the world.

Zappa:  All I would say is I've never seen RP come across as a racist AT ALL.  I am no racist either but I am willing to publicly state my disapproval of the Israeli state (NOT THE JEWS THEMSELVES, THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING).  Why?  Because Rothschild Zionism and its supporters committed genocide (the same thing they were running from) against a different and equally innocent ethnic group. I say all this because usually when prominent figures are accused of being anti-semitic they are actually only saying something along the same lines of what I just did.


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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: Vsnares.Zappa]
    #14463605 - 05/16/11 06:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Vsnares.Zappa said:
It's not the concept of public education in itself that cause mediocre education. It's just that politicians have been cutting in the social services because of budget austerity pressured by greedy corporate pigs.



This is not exactly coherent.  We spend more money per pupil on education than almost every other developed country and, since it is almost entirely government controlled, corporations are irrelevant.  The vast majority of education funds go to unionized teachers who are overwhelmingly liberal and indoctrinate the little children in a vile liberal ideology.  Corporations?  Nada.


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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14463616 - 05/16/11 06:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

DeadHearts said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

DeadHearts said:
Tell me how education about drugs and making it well known how much money is wrapped up in drug prohibition wont help anything.


So we should just stay business as usual right?



Be careful what you wish for.  I think the amount of money spent is irrelevant to most people because they think drug legalization will put them on the hook for medical expenses.





We would only have to spend a fraction to educate rather than putting people in
prison for simply choosing what they want to put into their body. Building prisons
and tearing family's apart because the government tells us how much worse off we would
be if drugs are allowed on the street. Drugs that will be there and consumed regardless
of how strict penalty's are.


Come on man.



I'm going to say this YET AGAIN.  I believe that all drugs should be available for all adults to use at their whim.  No one should be imprisoned for either using or selling, unless they mislabel.  I also believe that anybody who abuses drugs and finds himself fucked is automatically excluded from ANY government help.  My position saves real money.  What is your position on rescuing drug abusing losers who fuck themselves up?





Listen all I am sayin in regards to this is it would be much more productive
of an investment to helping SICK people rather than throwing them in prison thus
churning out yet another criminal.

I do not necessarily think we need to help addicts via government help.
But educating the public of what is really going on is terribly important.
Its like the DARE program instead of grooming kids to be fearful of drugs.


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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14463628 - 05/16/11 06:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Vsnares.Zappa said:
It's not the concept of public education in itself that cause mediocre education. It's just that politicians have been cutting in the social services because of budget austerity pressured by greedy corporate pigs.



This is not exactly coherent.  We spend more money per pupil on education than almost every other developed country and, since it is almost entirely government controlled, corporations are irrelevant.  The vast majority of education funds go to unionized teachers who are overwhelmingly liberal and indoctrinate the little children in a vile liberal ideology.  Corporations?  Nada.



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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: unam sanctum]
    #14463645 - 05/16/11 06:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

unam sanctum said:
I will say RP's affinity to the constitution and ideas on foreign policy are at best outdated.  At the same time I couldn't give one fuck and would rather have him in office as opposed to literally anyone else who has announced their candidacy.  I mean a lot of whether people like him or not comes down to their world views.  Personally I don't think America (our gov. because they make the choices) is any better then any other country and we really need to fuck off with that attitude and also the idea that we are somehow allowed to magically police the world.

Zappa:  All I would say is I've never seen RP come across as a racist AT ALL.  I am no racist either but I am willing to publicly state my disapproval of the Israeli state (NOT THE JEWS THEMSELVES, THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING).  Why?  Because Rothschild Zionism and its supporters committed genocide (the same thing they were running from) against a different and equally innocent ethnic group. I say all this because usually when prominent figures are accused of being anti-semitic they are actually only saying something along the same lines of what I just did.



1.  I have seen this genocide bullshit several times.  If the Zionists, as you call them, are perpetrating a genocide how come the population of their supposed victims is increasing much faster than theirs is?
2.  See Lew Rockwell.
3.  And if you don't think America is exceptional, fucking move.  Get out.  Fuck off.
4.  The rest of the civilized world has profited and freeloaded off of the US's willingness to be the police.  Ask Poland.


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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: stuntmanmike]
    #14463654 - 05/16/11 06:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Vsnares.Zappa said:
It's not the concept of public education in itself that cause mediocre education. It's just that politicians have been cutting in the social services because of budget austerity pressured by greedy corporate pigs.



This is not exactly coherent.  We spend more money per pupil on education than almost every other developed country and, since it is almost entirely government controlled, corporations are irrelevant.  The vast majority of education funds go to unionized teachers who are overwhelmingly liberal and indoctrinate the little children in a vile liberal ideology.  Corporations?  Nada.




Everything you just said is completely wrong. But my favorite part is the stab at teachers, ya damn those wealthy teachers. All stuck up living in there mansions. Ya you know how everybody tells you to stay away from business school, go into education thats where the big bucks are.


Edited by stuntmanmike (05/16/11 06:11 PM)


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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: stuntmanmike]
    #14463658 - 05/16/11 06:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Public education is bad, but I think if anything it should be at the State/Local level. California is not the same as Arkansas, and I believe the curriculum's should parallel that.

The federal government has no place in education.


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