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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: realfuzzhead] 1
#14462712 - 05/16/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I once liked a lot of things about Ron Paul; I used to like him a lot. I agreed with him about many things, from his views on drug prohibition to his generally non-interventionist outlook and, most of all, his willingness to be different and even to occasionally disappoint his own followers, a rare quality in a prominent politician.
But I also disagree with him about other things. Paul thinks there is really no role for government in public life. He’s talked about abolishing half the departments in the federal government, including the Department of Education, the HHS, the Department of Energy, Homeland Security, the IRS… I mean, not that I enjoy paying taxes, but these are radical positions in my mind. But the biggest problem I have with Paul didn’t strike me until after I spent time following his son’s Senate campaign.
Rand Paul’s run to me was a pretty crude exercise in racial signaling. When I followed the elder Ron Paul’s campaign in 2008, a lot of the people I met were intellectuals who had a genuine philosophical problem with government spending and the Fed, and who were really consistent about their limited-government beliefs – no welfare, but also no drug laws and no foreign interventionist wars. (You frequently found Ron Paul supporters who were more passionate about ending the drug war than they were about ending food stamps or whatever). I got along with almost all of these people, who were all unfailingly polite and respectful toward me. And I had a lot of respect for their views, even though I didn’t agree with everything they believed.
When I followed Rand Paul, though, suddenly I’m meeting hyper-aggressive Tea Party types who were in my face about being a communist before I even opened my mouth, and one interview after another devolved into harangues about how socialist “redistributionists” were stealing money from decent people to give to the lazy and undeserving. I asked probably a dozen Rand Paul supporters about Rand’s infamous Rachel Maddow interview and his views on the Civil Rights Act, and I didn’t hear even one who admitted the government had the right to tell, say, a storeowner that he can’t serve minorities. Inevitably, in these discussions, Rand Paul supporters would approach policies like the Civil Rights act as though they were purely intellectual controversies to be debated in a vacuum; I repeatedly had to point out that the Civil Rights Act was an extraordinary intervention that was necessary to reverse a long campaign of terrorism, apartheid and genocide by unrepentant whites in the South.
It struck me afterward that the Ron Paul strict-constitutionalist rhetoric is a very convenient mask for the Nixonian “Southern Strategy” racial-resentment politics. You rail against all government intervention, but the real anger is toward affirmative action, welfare, health care, and so on. Before George W. Bush imploded, that sort of thinly-veiled race-baiting politics was mostly the province of guys like Karl Rove and Lee Atwater and Roger Ailes. Once Bush and that brand of Republicanism lost popularity, though, the Southern-white-resentment movement needed to reinvent itself, and one of the ways it did that, I think, was to appropriate the more intellectual-sounding theories and rhetoric of Ron Paul. Instead of bluntly anti-immigrant, anti-minority manipulations like the famous Jesse Helms “white hands” commercial, now we’re just cheering for the Constitution and Freedom and “the Austrian school.”
I came to all of these conclusions before I even heard about the crazy history of Ron Paul’s newsletters in the eighties and nineties, which are full of paranoid rantings about blacks and gays and communists and prone to lines like "Order was only restored [in the L.A. riots] when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks."
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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: zappaisgod]
#14462736 - 05/16/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Ron Paul has never been ignored but he certainly deserves all the ridicule that has been heaped on him for years. He is an ignorant buffoon, as I have been saying for years. And I most certainly will fight against him in any way I can.
You think this why? Honest question
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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: zappaisgod]
#14462744 - 05/16/11 03:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Ron Paul has never been ignored but he certainly deserves all the ridicule that has been heaped on him for years. He is an ignorant buffoon, as I have been saying for years. And I most certainly will fight against him in any way I can.
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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: stuntmanmike]
#14462753 - 05/16/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Matt Taibbi is an even stupider cunt than Ron Paul.
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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: zappaisgod]
#14462771 - 05/16/11 03:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Matt Taibbi is an even stupider cunt than Ron Paul.
dude you must be soooo smart like a genius fer realz huh?
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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: stuntmanmike]
#14462778 - 05/16/11 03:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Matt Taibbi is an even stupider cunt than Ron Paul.
dude you must be soooo smart like a genius fer realz huh?
Yeah man. hes currently writing a book that displays his economic and political genius and will also solve all problems within America and possibly across the globe.
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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: Poid]
#14462780 - 05/16/11 03:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said: But he is saying things and seems to believe in what is truly right and important for real actual progress in this country and world. We will see.
That's what Obama seemed like, and just look at him now... 
I knew Obama was a lying dirtbag from day 1.
Ron Paul is a man of integrity. In other words, he isn't a liar. Ron Paul also wants to legalize all drugs, on a Federal level. So we could build our monotubs without fear and paranoia. He has also proven that he is a man of his word in his voting. He will not vote for anything un-Constitutional, and that is what this country needs: to get back to Constitutional rule of Law. Just for the record, national drug laws are 180° from the Constitution, and the idea of America as a whole. Ron Paul knows this and even acknowledges it in front of his Republican pals. Anyway, I really like Ron Paul.
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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: stuntmanmike]
#14462806 - 05/16/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Matt Taibbi is an even stupider cunt than Ron Paul.
dude you must be soooo smart like a genius fer realz huh?
As far as you can tell, yes.
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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: zappaisgod]
#14462819 - 05/16/11 03:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Way to answer my question zappa
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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: unam sanctum]
#14462837 - 05/16/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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unam sanctum said: Way to answer my question zappa
It wouldnt matter anyways. His views are ass ass backwards as the politics he believes in and he has no room/time to look at things in another light. Its like talking to a juggalo.
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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: zappaisgod]
#14462848 - 05/16/11 03:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ron Paul doesn't sound brave, or wise, or noble, or smart to me.
Ron Paul, frankly, sounds like a drunken idiot at a bar, possibly with a history of prior mental instabilities, spouting off perfect stupidity with perfect confidence.
He can't be president. It would be a nightmare. It would be government by lunatic. He'd be briefed on actual facts and then simply say "Those aren't the facts. Report to me new facts consistent with my rigid ideology."
Ugh. Why this clown gets respect in the GOP, I don't know.
If it's the gold standard thing, less disreputable voices are calling for that. Steve Forbes not only endorses it, but predicts we'll be on it in 5 years.
But enough from Ron Paul. I get enough of the slightly-deranged codger act every Thanksgiving. I don't need Crazy Pop-Pop on my TV every three days.
Frank Zappa would vote for him.
Also, if you want to be taken seriously, lessen the ad hominem attacks. You are making yourself look like a fool. Your post conveys literally NO information.
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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: shroomer33]
#14462863 - 05/16/11 03:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ya that quote from him you posted is pretty laughable.
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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: unam sanctum]
#14462911 - 05/16/11 04:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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unam sanctum said: Way to answer my question zappa
I'm sorry, that must have appeared while I was responding to the other. I didn't see it.
His foreign policy is that of a retard (see link above for just one example). He is an isolationist on trade. His economic policies demonize a useful agency while mostly ignoring the real problem.
I think he is a Pied Piper at best, his supporters are ignorant simpletons and there is more than a slight undercurrent of racism in his bleatings. I do not, however, think he is the least bit dangerous. If he was a woman he might be dangerous because he would get a big leg up as an affirmative action candidate but he isn't so he won't. He is about as effectual as Lyndon LaRouche.
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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: zappaisgod]
#14462921 - 05/16/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: zappaisgod]
#14462932 - 05/16/11 04:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Frank Zappa would've voted for him though,
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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: Shroomism]
#14462942 - 05/16/11 04:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I just dont understand the logic. We have been moving in the wrong direction for so long. Do we just vote in another fucking puppet? Or do we vote in someone that can possibly really bring REAL change and bring us down to what this country and government is supposed to be about. LIBERTY.
Zappa, WTF?
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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: DeadHearts]
#14462967 - 05/16/11 04:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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The whole politic structure in the USA is corrupted and rotten. Only the population can decide collectively that they had enough. Huge protests throughout the country would be way more effective than 1 one politician against the whole military-industrial complex.
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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: DeadHearts]
#14462972 - 05/16/11 04:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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"Ron Paul, frankly, sounds like a drunken idiot at a bar, possibly with a history of prior mental instabilities,"
wow, I think I'll vote for him! Sounds a lot better than what we have now.
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Vsnares.Zappa said: The whole politic structure in the USA is corrupted and rotten. Only the population can decide collectively that they had enough. Huge protests throughout the country would be way more effective than 1 one politician against the whole military-industrial complex. 
one guy isnt gonna change shit i like how all of america thinks if they pick the right guy every 4 years the whole world will change
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Re: Official Ron Paul thread (?) [Re: stuntmanmike]
#14462981 - 05/16/11 04:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Vsnares.Zappa said: The whole politic structure in the USA is corrupted and rotten. Only the population can decide collectively that they had enough. Huge protests throughout the country would be way more effective than 1 one politician against the whole military-industrial complex. 
one guy isnt gonna change shit i like how all of america thinks if they pick the right guy every 4 years the whole world will change
I agree. But damn it would be nice to see someone with some real substance at the "helm". Even if it doesnt mean much at all. But again I agree with you two.
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