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What is the most classical beer?
#14414495 - 05/07/11 10:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I am wondering what drink is most truly a beer. What has the beer essence.
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Re: What is the most classical beer? [Re: Epigallo]
#14414499 - 05/07/11 10:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Is it possible to buy the kind of beer that we originally invented as a replacement for water, in the event it was contaminated?
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Re: What is the most classical beer? [Re: Epigallo]
#14414611 - 05/07/11 10:51 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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no. beer is almost as old as human civilization itself. beer was being brewed as early as 3000 BC, but probably long before that. and before that there were other pre-beer brews that eventually evolved into the dozens of varieties which we now know as beer.
you could probably find a beer historian to come up with a recipe to brew a primitive old style beer that might come out tasting like the beer the ancients drank. but there would be no single original beer. just like there are tons of different beers today, I'm sure there were lots of different variations of beer from regions.
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Re: What is the most classical beer? [Re: BoneMan]
#14414683 - 05/07/11 11:08 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah, i know. i realize there is not a single original beer, but some definitely have a more classical taste than others. i would say a yeungling definitely has a more classical taste than a blue moon or guinness. it is a matter of opinion to an extent, but it is just a question. if you had to pick a beer that you consider to be "classic" beer, what would it be?
my second post was a second question. is it possible to buy anything that resembles or emulates the low-alcohol beers historically drank for purposes of sanitation?
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Re: What is the most classical beer? [Re: Epigallo]
#14414721 - 05/07/11 11:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Doesn't Colorado have some really low alcohol beers?
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Re: What is the most classical beer? [Re: Epigallo]
#14414754 - 05/07/11 11:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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bradley said: my second post was a second question. is it possible to buy anything that resembles or emulates the low-alcohol beers historically drank for purposes of sanitation?
I wish I knew. I'd love to try something like that. maybe this will help a bit ..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_beer
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Re: What is the most classical beer? [Re: Epigallo]
#14414766 - 05/07/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Beer has been made all around the world, so it is more like a cuisine varying from place to place.
Here is a beer from 9000 years ago http://www.dogfish.com/brews-spirits/the-brews/occassional-rarities/chateau-jiahu.htm
Really there is no "true" beer.
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Re: What is the most classical beer? [Re: Epigallo]
#14414768 - 05/07/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I could rattle off local microbrews all day long, but I'll refrain.
I feel like PBR is the most "classical" beer available on the mainstream US market.
But if you want a REAL beer, then Sierra Nevada.
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How is PBR classical?
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Re: What is the most classical beer? [Re: 4runner]
#14414811 - 05/07/11 11:38 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's like Homer Simpson, Hank Hill beer. You drink it as a water substitute. I believe this is how beer has historically been used.
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Tchan909 said: It's like Homer Simpson, Hank Hill beer. You drink it as a water substitute. I believe this is how beer has historically been used.
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But why is american brew always chastised as the pissy watered beer. Did that start here or in Europe?
And yes beer was safe to drink unlike water in the early ages. I just wonder, did it all taste like PBR? Or was it a wheat beer, maybe something like Henry Weinhards. .
Here is a little quote from Full Sail Brewery about there Session Lager (which is tasty btw).
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How big a bummer was Prohibition? As if taking everyone's brew away wasn't bad enough, hundreds of little independent breweries that once made super tasty beers basically got worked. And when they went out of business, America not only lost the breweries – it lost what American beer used to taste like. Session is our way of bringing back the pre-Prohibition American Lager. Session's all about drinkability but never at the expense of character.
Session blows PBR out of the water.
Thought I remembered something about prohibition killing American beer in the past.
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Re: What is the most classical beer? [Re: Moronicus]
#14414850 - 05/07/11 11:46 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey, I prefer strong microbrewed IPAs like Anderson Valley, Drake's, Stone. These are somewhat of a novelty in the beer market though.
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Tchan909 said: Hey, I prefer strong microbrewed IPAs like Anderson Valley, Drake's, Stone. These are somewhat of a novelty in the beer market though.
Anderson Valley makes some good brews, been a while since I had one. My Step Dad has a family history from boonesville. Pretty sure he had or has a book on there dielect. Pretty strange stuff man.
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Re: What is the most classical beer? [Re: 4runner]
#14414978 - 05/07/11 12:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'd say it all depends on your tastes and preferences. If you want to find some new beers, go to a whole foods shop or one of those world markets. They usually have a Build a Six Pack deal and you can mix and match unique beers from all over.
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Re: What is the most classical beer? [Re: Mandelbrot107]
#14415044 - 05/07/11 12:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: What is the most classical beer? [Re: 4runner]
#14415092 - 05/07/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Your use of the word 'classical' is totally arbitrary.
Yuengling is a cheap lager, Blue Moon is a cheap white, Guinness is a stout.
Sounds like you think lagers are 'classical.' You might be looking for the beers that the Germans call Pilsners or Pils. The closest thing to a real deal on this would be Pilsner Urquell (the name literally means 'the original source,' or, even more literally 'the original fountain') or Budwar. Both these beers come to the U.S. compromised because of the long sea voyage. They also have an idiosyncratic hop flavor that I'd guess you wouldn't find all too 'classical.'
My best guess is that the 'classical' beer you're looking for would be a German pilsner. These, too, come to the U.S. in rough shape. Becks, for instance, tastes alright in Germany, but is pretty lame in the U.S. In recent years, some American microbreweries have done a good job approximating German pilsners. Here's one example, Capital City from around Madison, WI:
http://www.capital-brewery.com/ourbeers
IMHO, German beer isn't all that. Hefeweizen (Weißbier) and lagers are fine, but short of stunning. They're sessions beers, things you can drink a lot of.
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Re: What is the most classical beer? [Re: 4runner]
#14415123 - 05/07/11 12:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Me_Roy said: Your use of the word 'classical' is totally arbitrary.
I agree, I was mostly responding to the PBR comment. There is no classical beer.
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Beer has been made all around the world, so it is more like a cuisine varying from place to place.
I depends on the region you are considering.
In some places spit(mouth chewed corn I think) is a classical ingredient for beer.
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Re: What is the most classical beer? [Re: 4runner]
#14415157 - 05/07/11 01:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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OP, do some research to find out how the earliest known beer was created, copy process, enjoy shitty beer of the ages
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Re: What is the most classical beer? [Re: Epigallo]
#14415297 - 05/07/11 01:35 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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bradley said: Is it possible to buy the kind of beer that we originally invented as a replacement for water, in the event it was contaminated?
Yep. It's called beer. Much of the world has "contaminated" water coming out of it's faucet's. Most people don't drink bottled water.
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Re: What is the most classical beer? [Re: spock]
#14415338 - 05/07/11 01:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is the most classic beer.
History dates that the brewery was founded in 1553. The company is still around today
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Re: What is the most classical beer? [Re: Patlal]
#14415359 - 05/07/11 01:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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becks has been around 500 years.... beer has been around for over
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Re: What is the most classical beer? [Re: Me_Roy]
#14415439 - 05/07/11 02:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Me_Roy said: Your use of the word 'classical' is totally arbitrary.
Eh, wouldn't say entirely. Classical isn't synonymous as "oldest" or "original", although they do tend to coincide. Something classical is what is generally pleasing to the widest range of individuals. Classical can be created today.
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Re: What is the most classical beer? [Re: spock]
#14415445 - 05/07/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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bradley said: Is it possible to buy the kind of beer that we originally invented as a replacement for water, in the event it was contaminated?
Yep. It's called beer. Much of the world has "contaminated" water coming out of it's faucet's. Most people don't drink bottled water.
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Re: What is the most classical beer? [Re: Epigallo]
#14415513 - 05/07/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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OP, I think I know what you mean and I now regret having been so prickish in my reply.
I had my first taste of beer when I was 2 and that flavor has absolutely stuck with me. I have been chasing it ever since.
The beer I tasted was probably PBR or Old Style. Not that that means that this is the original flavor. ...or the "flavor enjoyed by the most people" -- it just happens to be what people drank where I grew up.
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Re: What is the most classical beer? [Re: Patlal]
#14415519 - 05/07/11 02:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is the most classic beer.
History dates that the brewery was founded in 1553. The company is still around today
The oldest brewery in the world is believed to be the German state-owned Weihenstephan brewery in the city of Freising, Bavaria. It can trace its history back to 1040 AD (this is disputed by the nearby Weltenburg Abbey brewery, who can trace back its beer-brewing tradition to at least 1050 AD, claiming the Weihenstephan document is at least controversial. The Zatec brewery in the Czech Republic claims it can prove that it paid a beer tax in 1004 AD).
According to Wikipedia.
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Re: What is the most classical beer? [Re: Epigallo]
#14415535 - 05/07/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Me_Roy said: Your use of the word 'classical' is totally arbitrary.
Eh, wouldn't say entirely. Classical isn't synonymous as "oldest" or "original", although they do tend to coincide. Something classical is what is generally pleasing to the widest range of individuals. Classical can be created today.
No, actually, not at all. Classical refers more to a long-standing standard, more often elite than quotidian.
If your definition of 'classical' were correct, than pop music and classic music would be the same thing.
And no, 'classic rock' is no counter-argument -- 'classic' and 'classical' are not the same word.
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Re: What is the most classical beer? [Re: Me_Roy]
#14415537 - 05/07/11 02:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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discussion of beer on a drug forum = serious business.
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Re: What is the most classical beer? [Re: Me_Roy]
#14415684 - 05/07/11 03:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yuengling
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Re: What is the most classical beer? [Re: Epigallo]
#14416245 - 05/07/11 06:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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You should check out some Dogfish Head brews. They have brewed a few beers based off ancient recipes. One that I've had that was pretty good is Midas Touch.
"This recipe is the actual oldest-known fermented beverage in the world! It is an ancient Turkish recipe using the original ingredients from the 2700 year old drinking vessels discovered in the tomb of King Midas. Somewhere between wine & mead; this smooth, sweet, yet dry ale will please the Chardonnay or beer drinker alike."
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Re: What is the most classical beer? [Re: Me_Roy]
#14416581 - 05/07/11 08:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Me_Roy said: Your use of the word 'classical' is totally arbitrary.
Eh, wouldn't say entirely. Classical isn't synonymous as "oldest" or "original", although they do tend to coincide. Something classical is what is generally pleasing to the widest range of individuals. Classical can be created today.
No, actually, not at all. Classical refers more to a long-standing standard, more often elite than quotidian.
If your definition of 'classical' were correct, than pop music and classic music would be the same thing.
And no, 'classic rock' is no counter-argument -- 'classic' and 'classical' are not the same word.
Not at all? Give me at least a little. Classical composers have been enjoyed by as many people as modern pop musicians, and I doubt that pop musicians will still be listened to many generations later. Is an aesthetic style long-standing due to some arbitrary roll of the die, or is it simply because it is pleasing to a wide range of individuals and naturally stands the test of time?
Classical aesthetics tend to be simple and elegant, and do not overwhelm or assault the senses. It works to call something "the most classical" of a group even if it is new. If I discovered a new plant that could be made into a drink, but one strain was extremely sweet, another extremely bitter, and another just slightly sweet, slightly tart, could you not call that one the most classical tasting?
Anyway, who cares. I think we have some common understanding of the sought "beer essence".
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Re: What is the most classical beer? [Re: Epigallo]
#14416766 - 05/07/11 09:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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bradley said:
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Me_Roy said: Your use of the word 'classical' is totally arbitrary.
Eh, wouldn't say entirely. Classical isn't synonymous as "oldest" or "original", although they do tend to coincide. Something classical is what is generally pleasing to the widest range of individuals. Classical can be created today.
No, actually, not at all. Classical refers more to a long-standing standard, more often elite than quotidian.
If your definition of 'classical' were correct, than pop music and classic music would be the same thing.
And no, 'classic rock' is no counter-argument -- 'classic' and 'classical' are not the same word.
Not at all? Give me at least a little. Classical composers have been enjoyed by as many people as modern pop musicians, and I doubt that pop musicians will still be listened to many generations later. Is an aesthetic style long-standing due to some arbitrary roll of the die, or is it simply because it is pleasing to a wide range of individuals and naturally stands the test of time?
Classical aesthetics tend to be simple and elegant, and do not overwhelm or assault the senses. It works to call something "the most classical" of a group even if it is new. If I discovered a new plant that could be made into a drink, but one strain was extremely sweet, another extremely bitter, and another just slightly sweet, slightly tart, could you not call that one the most classical tasting?
Anyway, who cares. I think we have some common understanding of the sought "beer essence".
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Re: What is the most classical beer? [Re: Me_Roy]
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