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403Forbidden
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Is this psychosis, or just a bad trip?
#14414494 - 05/07/11 10:11 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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SWIM is having the worst time of his life right now. He took some DMT, and then started thinking that he was going to die and felt afraid and sad for his family when they discover him dead. He then got up and got a glass of water, but then he started seeing things like the face of a Chinese god or something. Although he cannot fully remember all that he had seen and thought/felt, SWIM remembers thinking that he was going insane, and that this particular trip was going to forever change him and make him insane. He had temporarily developed a new perspective, and he saw himself (figuratively) from what would be another person's eyes, and considered himself to be a drug addict, seeing as this is his 12th time trying DMT within about 4 months. Branching off of that thought, SWIM had determined that he was truly going insane.
As I type this, SWIM feels as if he is returning to his natural state of mind, but he's unsure if he will forever be affected by this trip and be label as psychotic. What are your thoughts?
I realize that I wasn't able to type all that SWIM had wanted to say, and that worries SWIM greatly, for now he thinks that he won't be able to get an answer from someone who fully understands the situation, but he would still like some answers.
Edited by 403Forbidden (05/07/11 10:14 AM)
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RedSnapper
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Re: Is this psychosis, or just a bad trip? [Re: 403Forbidden]
#14414545 - 05/07/11 10:30 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Swim should just use "I", that shit gets old and bothersome to read. you are already anonymous here..
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RourkeAnderson
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Re: Is this psychosis, or just a bad trip? [Re: 403Forbidden]
#14414549 - 05/07/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sounds like extreme paranoia brought on by the DMT trip. I know a friend who has issues with Ayahuasca the same way. Halfway through each trip he gets extremely worried and neurotic about things. He says that it was due to the fact that he didn't let the trip run its course, and wanted to control it himself. My advice is for you to relax; 12 times in 4 months hardly makes you an addict, but sometimes we need to wait until it feels right for DMT to really be helpful. I consider it more of a mental deep tissue massage than a fun drug.
The paranoia from DMT is extremely powerful at times, its possible you weren't in the right mindset for the trip, or it was too soon. Either way, it was just a "Bad" trip. You arn't going crazy, and your not going to die. My friend has experienced the same "People seeing him totally fucked, oh god oh god I'm a druggie." Freakout. He thankfully has amazing parents who, after being explained the situation are more than happy to be sitters for him during his Ayahuasca Meditations. The solution to your paranoia is SETTING, if you're living with people who you think are not receptive to your psychonautic adventures then go some place that you are comfortable and fairly sure won't be found. A forest, dock/pier at night, park. Doing it in your house, even when no one is home will still leave the door open for your fear of being "discovered" wide open.
"Sidenote": My buddy says that an Ayahuasca journey every couple of months keeps him balanced, but he immediately regrets it when he journeys twice in one month or more. Also, I'm pretty sure your not mentioning Aya, but thats what I've been told the most about and its essentially a smoked DMT trip lasting 4+ hours.
TL/DR: Find some place that is comfortable, preferably at night, blast into hyperspace.
Redsnapper, I'm dissapointed, this guy is genuinely freaked out, and instead of being a positive source of advice (Or being silent), you bring in something piddly like the use of SWIM? Jeepers creepers dude.
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Re: Is this psychosis, or just a bad trip? [Re: RourkeAnderson]
#14414618 - 05/07/11 10:53 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Take ownership and responsibility for yourself and actions. Just sayin'. Were you having the time in life before or after taking DMT? Psychedelics tend to amplified whatever's on your mind at the time.
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Re: Is this psychosis, or just a bad trip? [Re: RourkeAnderson]
#14414625 - 05/07/11 10:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Great advice, Rourke! Listen to this man. You are not insane...you had an indescribably distressing experience, and your reaction is only natural. Breathe, my friend. There is nothing to fear.
I had a rough experience with smoked DMT in November, and I haven't touched it since. Time blended with reflective introspection are wonderful healers. Although my social anxiety, tendency for self-deprecation, and bouts of existential depression were subsequently exacerbated, so has my insight regarding their internal origins.
Set and Setting are everything. This fact cannot be undermined!
Also, how did you administer the DMT? Smoked freebase, I assume?
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Re: Is this psychosis, or just a bad trip? [Re: catalyst]
#14414652 - 05/07/11 11:03 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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thats just paranoia. You'll be fine, don't take every thought that hits you so seriously
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catalyst
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gushtunkinflupped said: don't take every thought that hits you so seriously 
Easy for you to say, perhaps. The sentiment is commendable, but your way of expression only undermines and belittles the depth of his struggle.
If it was simply a matter of "not taking everything so seriously", he wouldn't be posting this...
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gushtunkinflupped said: thats just paranoia. You'll be fine, don't take every thought that hits you so seriously 
This. Thinking you have problems causes them to arise. It's a mental hypochondria. Focus on keeping yourself busy so that you won't allow yourself to imagine these things. Eventually, it will wear down.
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Re: Is this psychosis, or just a bad trip? [Re: catalyst]
#14414730 - 05/07/11 11:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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RourkeAnderson said: Sounds like extreme paranoia brought on by the DMT trip. I know a friend who has issues with Ayahuasca the same way. Halfway through each trip he gets extremely worried and neurotic about things. He says that it was due to the fact that he didn't let the trip run its course, and wanted to control it himself. My advice is for you to relax; 12 times in 4 months hardly makes you an addict, but sometimes we need to wait until it feels right for DMT to really be helpful. I consider it more of a mental deep tissue massage than a fun drug.
The paranoia from DMT is extremely powerful at times, its possible you weren't in the right mindset for the trip, or it was too soon. Either way, it was just a "Bad" trip. You arn't going crazy, and your not going to die. My friend has experienced the same "People seeing him totally fucked, oh god oh god I'm a druggie." Freakout. He thankfully has amazing parents who, after being explained the situation are more than happy to be sitters for him during his Ayahuasca Meditations. The solution to your paranoia is SETTING, if you're living with people who you think are not receptive to your psychonautic adventures then go some place that you are comfortable and fairly sure won't be found. A forest, dock/pier at night, park. Doing it in your house, even when no one is home will still leave the door open for your fear of being "discovered" wide open.
"Sidenote": My buddy says that an Ayahuasca journey every couple of months keeps him balanced, but he immediately regrets it when he journeys twice in one month or more. Also, I'm pretty sure your not mentioning Aya, but thats what I've been told the most about and its essentially a smoked DMT trip lasting 4+ hours.
TL/DR: Find some place that is comfortable, preferably at night, blast into hyperspace.
Yeah, I don't think I was in the right mindset. I was thinking about how I may have some neurological disorder, and I guess that was amplified. I did think that I was in the right place though; I'm surprised that my own room wasn't some sort of sanctuary. But I don't think I should do it in a different setting, since this is the second time [in a row] in which I have gotten up and walked around as I was tripping. The first being last night, where I saw some people outside, so I walked to where they were barefoot, and walked back inside after 30 seconds, hehehe..
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RedSnapper said: Take ownership and responsibility for yourself and actions. Just sayin'. Were you having the time in life before or after taking DMT? Psychedelics tend to amplified whatever's on your mind at the time.
The time in life?
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catalyst said: Great advice, Rourke! Listen to this man. You are not insane...you had an indescribably distressing experience, and your reaction is only natural. Breathe, my friend. There is nothing to fear.
I had a rough experience with smoked DMT in November, and I haven't touched it since. Time blended with reflective introspection are wonderful healers. Although my social anxiety, tendency for self-deprecation, and bouts of existential depression were subsequently exacerbated, so has my insight regarding their internal origins.
Set and Setting are everything. This fact cannot be undermined!
Also, how did you administer the DMT? Smoked freebase, I assume?
Yes, although, it was leftover stuff that was in my pipe, not really aesthetically pleasing. I thought taking a hit of it would be a "fun" way of cleaning out my pipe.
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Re: Is this psychosis, or just a bad trip? [Re: 403Forbidden]
#14415356 - 05/07/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think everyone who experiments with psychedelics has felt this at times. The rabbit hole is verrry deeep..
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Re: Is this psychosis, or just a bad trip? [Re: heratogwea]
#14415379 - 05/07/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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You're fine brother! You distorted the truth a bit. If I were in your shoes atm, I would eat healthy and drink a lot of fluids that are not soda or sugary so you can flush your body out. I would also hold back on the medicines until you regain your center. Go out in nature, write, draw, do whatever you can to express yourself.
Often times, these medicines show us our true nature yet we have so much dust accumulated over our vision due to poor choices we see it in a distorted way. You're good to go but please be kind to yourself. If you absolutely cannot in any way withhold from altering your state of consciousness, cannabis is a mellow medicine but don't smoke so much if you can. Drink herbal teas which will also guide you back to your center.
Bravo for making it back Mr. SWIM. Blessings. I Love you, be kind to yourself beautiful.
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403Forbidden
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Re: Is this psychosis, or just a bad trip? [Re: OneU]
#14452327 - 05/14/11 04:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I forgot to thank all of you guys. Even though this is supposedly common, I was desperate for help. Thank you for being there for me, you probably get a fair amount of these threads.
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Re: Is this psychosis, or just a bad trip? [Re: 403Forbidden]
#14452335 - 05/14/11 04:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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403Forbidden said: I forgot to thank all of you guys. Even though this is supposedly common, I was desperate for help. Thank you for being there for me, you probably get a fair amount of these threads.
It happens, that's what the support is for! Feeling any better?
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Re: Is this psychosis, or just a bad trip? [Re: 403Forbidden]
#14452553 - 05/14/11 05:42 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sounds like you've been tainted by the propaganda that all drugs are bad and had an exaggerated response to the guilt it engenders during your DMT experience.
I had that happen to me once or twice. Sorry it had to happen to you on your first flight. Just remember NO ONE in recorded history has ever died from DMT. NO ONE! Once you get over the fear of dying (and being discovered dead from the "evils of drugs") you'll be able to relax into it MUCH better and enjoy it MUCH more.
My mantra going in is "Simply Observe." That's after I've spent 5 full minutes telling myself what a good, kind, generous, and loving person I am. "Believe in yourself, ALWAYS." - These words will help you see into what DMT can be when you are not feeling propaganda-fueled guilt magnified 1000X.
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Re: Is this psychosis, or just a bad trip? [Re: Nature Boy]
#14453021 - 05/14/11 07:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I started getting persistent anxiety when i was smoking DMT regularly, even at mere threshold doses. I also had a lot of other shit going on in my life and was smoking a shit ton of herb and drinking tons of coffee... so I'm sure that didn't help, but laying off the deemsters definitely was a good thing.
IME it's just not something that should be done regularly.
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Nunbuh_Chrubble said: I started getting persistent anxiety when i was smoking DMT regularly, even at mere threshold doses. I also had a lot of other shit going on in my life and was smoking a shit ton of herb and drinking tons of coffee... so I'm sure that didn't help, but laying off the deemsters definitely was a good thing.
IME it's just not something that should be done regularly.
Yeah, I haven't smoked it since that experience. I hope to do it again, but only on occasion so I don't form a habit out of it.
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bholzer said: It happens, that's what the support is for! Feeling any better?
I am, thank you. My staying off of it thus far has stopped me from smoking it when bored (which was pretty often), so I'm sure that helped.
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Nature Boy said: Sounds like you've been tainted by the propaganda that all drugs are bad and had an exaggerated response to the guilt it engenders during your DMT experience.
I had that happen to me once or twice. Sorry it had to happen to you on your first flight. Just remember NO ONE in recorded history has ever died from DMT. NO ONE! Once you get over the fear of dying (and being discovered dead from the "evils of drugs") you'll be able to relax into it MUCH better and enjoy it MUCH more.
My mantra going in is "Simply Observe." That's after I've spent 5 full minutes telling myself what a good, kind, generous, and loving person I am. "Believe in yourself, ALWAYS." - These words will help you see into what DMT can be when you are not feeling propaganda-fueled guilt magnified 1000X.
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Hmm. I don't think that I had such a thought, since I've been aware of the propaganda for a while. I'd say it was more of me being worried that I've been doing it too much, plus it was also the resin, which I've heard people say often caused terrible trips. Thanks for the advice though! I've always been trying to analyze what I see while tripping, perhaps that was also a factor.
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Re: Is this psychosis, or just a bad trip? [Re: 403Forbidden]
#14456588 - 05/15/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Worrying about family and those sorts of anxietys come from a lot of bad trips. I wouldn't say feeling that way is bad. Everyone has to come to grips with things in there lives and trying to be healthier and a bad trip makes you realize these things. There are a lot of factors already mentioned above, such as caffeine and bad lifestyle that can contribute to these anxieties.
If you had psychosis you would probably not even be aware. Your friends and family would be the ones quetioning you about the strange things that you say and make up and believe are true. You would be some sort of extreme, either manic or just completely into grandiose meglomania. In those situations then it would be appropriate to get help and worry about your mental health.
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Re: Is this psychosis, or just a bad trip? [Re: Nature Boy]
#14457052 - 05/15/11 03:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said: ... Just remember NO ONE in recorded history has ever died from DMT. NO ONE! ...
N.B.
As if the explanation of death is merely your heart stops thumping.
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Re: Is this psychosis, or just a bad trip? [Re: 403Forbidden]
#14457237 - 05/15/11 04:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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403Forbidden said:
Yeah, I haven't smoked it since that experience. I hope to do it again, but only on occasion so I don't form a habit out of it.
Don't worry dude, you're not gonna form a deemster habit! LOL! It's not meth (despite the fact that you smoke it the same way). Psychedelics have a way of regulating their own use. Perhaps you were using it a little too much, and you just experienced what typically happens when people use psychedelics too frequently.
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thats wut happens when kids play with a mans gun, someone ends up getting hurt.
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