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Living in a Utopian society
    #14412506 - 05/06/11 09:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Utopia: an imagined place or state of things in which everything is perfect


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I believe we live in a Utopian society.  Why?  There is no good without evil.  There is no euphoria without pain.

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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14412524 - 05/06/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Perfection is imperfect

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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14412709 - 05/06/11 09:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Utopia: an imagined place or state of things in which everything is perfect


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I believe we live in a Utopian society.  Why?  There is no good without evil.  There is no euphoria without pain.




Is that a fact, or just your opinion?

Maybe there always is euphoria, but at this stage in evolution we only become aware of its existence once we feel pain.  Do not be mistaken, our species is still very much asleep.


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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: Satyapriya]
    #14412724 - 05/06/11 09:45 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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s that a fact, or just your opinion?



Just a thought

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Maybe there always is euphoria, but at this stage in evolution we only become aware of its existence once we feel pain.  Do not be mistaken, our species is still very much asleep.



Could you elaborate

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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14413002 - 05/06/11 10:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Utopia: an imagined place or state of things in which everything is perfect


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I believe we live in a Utopian society.  Why?  There is no good without evil.  There is no euphoria without pain.



You're in complete contradiction of yourself.


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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: auxiliary]
    #14413027 - 05/06/11 10:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

How so?  Most people strive for a Utopian society, i say we live in one already.

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Utopia: a imagined place or state of things in which everything is perfect




Thats why i said perfection is imperfect

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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14413041 - 05/06/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You can't change a definition. Imperfection is the opposite of perfection. You could say perfection is an impossibility, but it's still a concept to compare imperfection to.


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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: auxiliary]
    #14413116 - 05/06/11 11:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I changed the definition because Utopia is not imagined, it exists imo.  I believe the term perfection is imperfect makes sense.  At least in the situation im applying it to.  Its on the same order as "less is more."

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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14413192 - 05/06/11 11:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think a utopian society is one in which pain is perfectly balanced with pleasure for everybody alive.


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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14413661 - 05/07/11 02:53 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Utopia: an imagined place or state of things in which everything is perfect


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I believe we live in a Utopian society.  Why?  There is no good without evil.  There is no euphoria without pain.


Huh? By that definition, all societies are Utopian.


Mustard gas, anyone? :naughty:

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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: Poid]
    #14414247 - 05/07/11 08:41 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I also believe in reincarnation, have a shitty life perhaps you'll have a better one next time around.  Its impossible to have extreme beauty without extreme gruesomeness.
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Huh? By that definition, all societies are Utopian



Yes The earth is a utopia.

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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14414256 - 05/07/11 08:46 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The universe is imperfect. That is why matter clumps together and forms life. Without imperfection life cannot form. According to Stephen Mutha Fuckin Hawking:shocked:
The beauty of life is its imperfection

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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14414302 - 05/07/11 09:00 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I also believe in reincarnation, have a shitty life perhaps you'll have a better one next time around.


Yeah, there's a lot of evidence in that 'perhaps'. :rolleyes:


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Its impossible to have extreme beauty without extreme gruesomeness.


Do you mean that it's impossible for extreme beauty to exist in the entire universe without extreme gruesomeness, or that any particular phenomenon in the universe which has some extreme beauty must also have some extreme gruesomeness? If it's the latter, then I disagree; there are plenty of phenomenon which are considered extremely beautiful and not at all gruesome, and there are also plenty of phenomenon which are considered extremely gruesome and not at all beautiful.


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Huh? By that definition, all societies are Utopian



Yes The earth is a utopia.


Sure..say that to the countless people starving in Africa, or the countless people in Islam-oriented theocracies who get their hands chopped off for stealing a neighbor's toothbrush. :rolleyes:


You don't appear to understand what a Utopia is..in a Utopia, things are perfect for everybody. Since everybody's ideal of perfection differs, a Utopia will have to acknowledge and satisfy each of those differences; if life isn't perfect for even a single person in a society, then it is not Utopian. Since there is at least one person in each society on Earth who doesn't consider their life to be perfect, there is currently no such thing as a Utopia on Earth.


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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: i like cow poo]
    #14414336 - 05/07/11 09:12 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The reason Y'all are having trouble defining Utopia in human terms is 'cause humans will never reach Utopia.

Other than Todd R of course...



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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: Mush 4 Brains] * 1
    #14414540 - 05/07/11 10:27 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I also believe in reincarnation, have a shitty life perhaps you'll have a better one next time around.



http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14412180#14412180
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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: Poid]
    #14415005 - 05/07/11 12:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Is Bin Laden currently in hell


maybe, cant prove or disprove it so......


I'l go as far to say no one will ever prove it indefinitely.  My personal belief is that there likely is no afterlife, no heaven no hell.



:lol: When did i say anything about not believing in reincarnation.  All i said is i don't believe in an afterlife specifically- heaven or hell.  You know like an afterlife in another dimension.  Sounds like one of my posts pissed you off and you got a little sand in the va j j.:lol: 

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I also believe in reincarnation, have a shitty life perhaps you'll have a better one next time around.


Yeah, there's a lot of evidence in that 'perhaps'. :rolleyes:


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Its impossible to have extreme beauty without extreme gruesomeness.


Do you mean that it's impossible for extreme beauty to exist in the entire universe without extreme gruesomeness, or that any particular phenomenon in the universe which has some extreme beauty must also have some extreme gruesomeness? If it's the latter, then I disagree; there are plenty of phenomenon which are considered extremely beautiful and not at all gruesome, and there are also plenty of phenomenon which are considered extremely gruesome and not at all beautiful.


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Huh? By that definition, all societies are Utopian



Yes The earth is a utopia.


Sure..say that to the countless people starving in Africa, or the countless people in Islam-oriented theocracies who get their hands chopped off for stealing a neighbor's toothbrush. :rolleyes:


You don't appear to understand what a Utopia is..in a Utopia, things are perfect for everybody. Since everybody's ideal of perfection differs, a Utopia will have to acknowledge and satisfy each of those differences; if life isn't perfect for even a single person in a society, then it is not Utopian. Since there is at least one person in each society on Earth who doesn't consider their life to be perfect, there is currently no such thing as a Utopia on Earth.



The kind of evidence you require cant be given by humans.  The biggest reason i believe in reincarnation is that "matter cannot be created or destroyed."

Do you mean that it's impossible for extreme beauty to exist in the entire universe without extreme gruesomeness?Yes

or that any particular phenomenon in the universe which has some extreme beauty must also have some extreme gruesomeness?Yes to this as well.  "there are plenty of phenomenon which are considered extremely beautiful and not at all gruesome"  Considered by who?  Opinions vary from person to person.


"Since everybody's ideal of perfection differs"
exactly

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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14415032 - 05/07/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

An afterlifes an afterlife. The continuation of consciousness. Saying you don't believe in an afterlife and then saying you believe in reincarnation is a contradiction.

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The biggest reason i believe in reincarnation is that "matter cannot be created or destroyed."




Consciousness is matter?


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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14415043 - 05/07/11 12:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You don't appear to understand what a Utopia is..in a Utopia, things are perfect for everybody.



This the definition according to dictionary.com, take it or leave it. 
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Utopia: an imagined place or state of things in which everything is perfect.



The fact that things aren't perfect for everyone or anyone for that matter is what makes earth a utopia imo.  Perfection is imperfection.

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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: auxiliary]
    #14415067 - 05/07/11 12:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The continuation of consciousness



You're not continuing consciousness if you come back as a rock, or as water.

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Saying you don't believe in an afterlife and then saying you believe in reincarnation is a contradiction.


  Not at all, i was referring to "afterlife" as in heaven or hell.

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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #14415104 - 05/07/11 12:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The continuation of consciousness



You're not continuing consciousness if you come back as a rock, or as water.



If you come back as an inanimate object- you are attributing consciousness to it.

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Not at all, i was referring to "afterlife" as in heaven or hell.



Then say "I don't believe in heaven or hell."


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