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Living in a Utopian society
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Utopia: an imagined place or state of things in which everything is perfect
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I believe we live in a Utopian society. Why? There is no good without evil. There is no euphoria without pain.
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Utopia: an imagined place or state of things in which everything is perfect
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I believe we live in a Utopian society. Why? There is no good without evil. There is no euphoria without pain.
Is that a fact, or just your opinion?
Maybe there always is euphoria, but at this stage in evolution we only become aware of its existence once we feel pain. Do not be mistaken, our species is still very much asleep.
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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: Satyapriya]
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s that a fact, or just your opinion?
Just a thought
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Maybe there always is euphoria, but at this stage in evolution we only become aware of its existence once we feel pain. Do not be mistaken, our species is still very much asleep.
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Utopia: an imagined place or state of things in which everything is perfect
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I believe we live in a Utopian society. Why? There is no good without evil. There is no euphoria without pain.
You're in complete contradiction of yourself.
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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: auxiliary]
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How so? Most people strive for a Utopian society, i say we live in one already.
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Thats why i said perfection is imperfect
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You can't change a definition. Imperfection is the opposite of perfection. You could say perfection is an impossibility, but it's still a concept to compare imperfection to.
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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: auxiliary]
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I changed the definition because Utopia is not imagined, it exists imo. I believe the term perfection is imperfect makes sense. At least in the situation im applying it to. Its on the same order as "less is more."
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I think a utopian society is one in which pain is perfectly balanced with pleasure for everybody alive.
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Utopia: an imagined place or state of things in which everything is perfect
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I believe we live in a Utopian society. Why? There is no good without evil. There is no euphoria without pain.
Huh? By that definition, all societies are Utopian.
Mustard gas, anyone? 
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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: Poid]
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I also believe in reincarnation, have a shitty life perhaps you'll have a better one next time around. Its impossible to have extreme beauty without extreme gruesomeness.
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Huh? By that definition, all societies are Utopian
Yes The earth is a utopia.
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The universe is imperfect. That is why matter clumps together and forms life. Without imperfection life cannot form. According to Stephen Mutha Fuckin Hawking The beauty of life is its imperfection
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Mush 4 Brains said: I also believe in reincarnation, have a shitty life perhaps you'll have a better one next time around.
Yeah, there's a lot of evidence in that 'perhaps'. 
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Mush 4 Brains said: Its impossible to have extreme beauty without extreme gruesomeness.
Do you mean that it's impossible for extreme beauty to exist in the entire universe without extreme gruesomeness, or that any particular phenomenon in the universe which has some extreme beauty must also have some extreme gruesomeness? If it's the latter, then I disagree; there are plenty of phenomenon which are considered extremely beautiful and not at all gruesome, and there are also plenty of phenomenon which are considered extremely gruesome and not at all beautiful.
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Huh? By that definition, all societies are Utopian
Yes The earth is a utopia.
Sure..say that to the countless people starving in Africa, or the countless people in Islam-oriented theocracies who get their hands chopped off for stealing a neighbor's toothbrush. 
You don't appear to understand what a Utopia is..in a Utopia, things are perfect for everybody. Since everybody's ideal of perfection differs, a Utopia will have to acknowledge and satisfy each of those differences; if life isn't perfect for even a single person in a society, then it is not Utopian. Since there is at least one person in each society on Earth who doesn't consider their life to be perfect, there is currently no such thing as a Utopia on Earth.
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14412180#14412180 What a joke
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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: Poid]
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Is Bin Laden currently in hell
maybe, cant prove or disprove it so......
I'l go as far to say no one will ever prove it indefinitely. My personal belief is that there likely is no afterlife, no heaven no hell.
When did i say anything about not believing in reincarnation. All i said is i don't believe in an afterlife specifically- heaven or hell. You know like an afterlife in another dimension. Sounds like one of my posts pissed you off and you got a little sand in the va j j.
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Yeah, there's a lot of evidence in that 'perhaps'. 
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Do you mean that it's impossible for extreme beauty to exist in the entire universe without extreme gruesomeness, or that any particular phenomenon in the universe which has some extreme beauty must also have some extreme gruesomeness? If it's the latter, then I disagree; there are plenty of phenomenon which are considered extremely beautiful and not at all gruesome, and there are also plenty of phenomenon which are considered extremely gruesome and not at all beautiful.
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Huh? By that definition, all societies are Utopian
Yes The earth is a utopia.
Sure..say that to the countless people starving in Africa, or the countless people in Islam-oriented theocracies who get their hands chopped off for stealing a neighbor's toothbrush. 
You don't appear to understand what a Utopia is..in a Utopia, things are perfect for everybody. Since everybody's ideal of perfection differs, a Utopia will have to acknowledge and satisfy each of those differences; if life isn't perfect for even a single person in a society, then it is not Utopian. Since there is at least one person in each society on Earth who doesn't consider their life to be perfect, there is currently no such thing as a Utopia on Earth.
The kind of evidence you require cant be given by humans. The biggest reason i believe in reincarnation is that "matter cannot be created or destroyed."
Do you mean that it's impossible for extreme beauty to exist in the entire universe without extreme gruesomeness?Yes
or that any particular phenomenon in the universe which has some extreme beauty must also have some extreme gruesomeness?Yes to this as well. "there are plenty of phenomenon which are considered extremely beautiful and not at all gruesome" Considered by who? Opinions vary from person to person.
"Since everybody's ideal of perfection differs" exactly
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An afterlifes an afterlife. The continuation of consciousness. Saying you don't believe in an afterlife and then saying you believe in reincarnation is a contradiction.
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You don't appear to understand what a Utopia is..in a Utopia, things are perfect for everybody.
This the definition according to dictionary.com, take it or leave it. Quote:
Utopia: an imagined place or state of things in which everything is perfect.
The fact that things aren't perfect for everyone or anyone for that matter is what makes earth a utopia imo. Perfection is imperfection.
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The continuation of consciousness
You're not continuing consciousness if you come back as a rock, or as water.
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Saying you don't believe in an afterlife and then saying you believe in reincarnation is a contradiction.
Not at all, i was referring to "afterlife" as in heaven or hell.
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The continuation of consciousness
You're not continuing consciousness if you come back as a rock, or as water.
If you come back as an inanimate object- you are attributing consciousness to it.
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Mush 4 Brains said: Not at all, i was referring to "afterlife" as in heaven or hell.
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Mush 4 Brains said: The kind of evidence you require cant be given by humans.
So you admit to believing in unevidenced fairy tales? 
Somehow, that doesn't surprise me in the least. 
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Mush 4 Brains said: The biggest reason i believe in reincarnation is that "matter cannot be created or destroyed."
There is nothing in the law of conservation of energy that posits anything even remotely related to reincarnation; it is not in any way evidence of reincarnation.
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Mush 4 Brains said: Do you mean that it's impossible for extreme beauty to exist in the entire universe without extreme gruesomeness?Yes
Well I'm not so sure this is so..there is nothing about the laws of nature that dictate that extreme beauty cannot exist without extreme gruesomeness, it could be that both of their existence in this universe is merely incidental.
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Mush 4 Brains said: or that any particular phenomenon in the universe which has some extreme beauty must also have some extreme gruesomeness?Yes to this as well.
So you're saying it's not possible for a person to consider something to be extremely beautiful, and not at all gruesome?
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Right, nothing I said contradicts this. 
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Mush 4 Brains said: "Since everybody's ideal of perfection differs" exactly
And there is no society on this planet where all members' ideal of perfection is fulfilled; therefore, there is no Utopia on Earth.
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So you admit to believing in unevidenced fairy tales?
Somehow, that doesn't surprise me in the least.
If you say so. You must be right You act like you always are....Im not surprised Just a belief/ a thought, not like i take any of this as absolute FACT.
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There is nothing in the law of conservation of energy that posits anything even remotely related to reincarnation; it is not in any way evidence of reincarnation.
Think outside the box a little, fuck man When you die, your body goes back to the earth. Look at what were made up of (elements), arguably you will become apart of something again eventually.
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"there are plenty of phenomenon which are considered extremely beautiful and not at all gruesome" Considered by who? Opinions vary from person to person.
Right, nothing I said contradicts this
I dont understand how you dont get this. You ARE contradicting yourself, nothing is considered beautiful by everyone.
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And there is no society on this planet where all members' ideal of perfection is fulfilled; therefore, there is no Utopia on Earth.
The fact that no ones ideal of perfection is fulfilled is the very reason why i believe we live in a Utopia. Imperfection is perfect
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You don't appear to understand what a Utopia is..in a Utopia, things are perfect for everybody. Since everybody's ideal of perfection differs, a Utopia will have to acknowledge and satisfy each of those differences
Just because its not viewed as perfect doesn't mean it isn't. If anyone had their individual "perfect ideals" come ture they would realize that infact it wouldn't be the utopia they expected.
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Try again chief
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Then say "I don't believe in heaven or hell."
Which is what i said
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Tchan909 said: CARTESIAN DUALISM ALERT!
The question, "What if you come back as an inanimate object?" depends upon the assumption that there is some place to "go away" to.
You got me there. Incorrect phrasing on my part. You "dont come back", what is you is broken down dispersed and becomes a little part of many "new" things if not everything
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Mush 4 Brains said: Just a belief/ a thought, not like i take any of this as absolute FACT.
Do you realize where you're posting? This is a debate forum, if you don't wish to support your assertions in a format where rigorous debate is encouraged, then don't post them here.
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There is nothing in the law of conservation of energy that posits anything even remotely related to reincarnation; it is not in any way evidence of reincarnation.
Think outside the box a little, fuck man When you die, your body goes back to the earth. Look at what were made up of (elements), arguably you will become apart of something again eventually.
Telling me to "think outside the box", mentioning that my body "goes back to earth", mentioning we're made up of elements, and saying that it is arguable that I will become apart of something again eventually is not evidence that reincarnation is real, not even close.
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"there are plenty of phenomenon which are considered extremely beautiful and not at all gruesome" Considered by who? Opinions vary from person to person.
Right, nothing I said contradicts this
I dont understand how you dont get this. You ARE contradicting yourself, nothing is considered beautiful by everyone.
I never said that something is or some things are considered beautiful by everyone--take a reading comprehension lesson, it is sorely needed. 
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And there is no society on this planet where all members' ideal of perfection is fulfilled; therefore, there is no Utopia on Earth.
The fact that no ones ideal of perfection is fulfilled is the very reason why i believe we live in a Utopia. Imperfection is perfect
Maybe in your ideal of what perfection is, but this may not be the case for everyone else (it certainly isn't for me); remember, in order for a society to be Utopian, it must provide all of its members with what they each personally consider to be a perfect life.
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You don't appear to understand what a Utopia is..in a Utopia, things are perfect for everybody. Since everybody's ideal of perfection differs, a Utopia will have to acknowledge and satisfy each of those differences
Just because its not viewed as perfect doesn't mean it isn't.
Considering that the concept of perfection (and also the concepts of beauty and gruesomeness), when discussed in the context of Utopian societies, is subjective, it is clear that you are incorrect; if even one citizen views their life as being imperfect, then, by definition, the society that they live in is not Utopian.
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Mush 4 Brains said: If anyone had their individual "perfect ideals" come ture they would realize that infact it wouldn't be the utopia they expected.
, and how exactly do you know this? Do you honestly think you can accurately predict how every single person would react if their perfect ideals came true? 
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Mush 4 Brains said: You "dont come back", what is you is broken down dispersed and becomes a little part of many "new" things if not everything
Evidence?
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Then say "I don't believe in heaven or hell."
Which is what i said
You said "I don't believe in an afterlife." An afterlife would be a continuation of consciousness, not strictly necessarily a heaven or hell. You then said you believe in reincarnation, which is also an afterlife because it requires the continuation of consciousness after death.
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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: auxiliary]
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I don't buy the passive model of death. Death is not a restriction of the consciousness to its finest possible "roots" in three-dimensional space, but a liberation from this model. Presently-existing constrictions on its freedom will be dispelled by the failure of the very apparatus of those constrictions.
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Proof? Can you elaborate on what you mean by this?
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Oh, it's just my theory. I take issue with the idea of consciousness behaving passively in the wake of the failure of the body, like you "get reincarnated" as something or "go to heaven or hell." I would expect its slavery to circumstances beyond its control to be dispersed along with the neural network that temporarily holds it captive.
Kinda far-out I know, I'm not trying to "defend" this theory and it would probably better have its place in the mysticism forum.
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It's prettttttty vague, but I like the way you word it
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It's vague because it's pretty hard to imagine consciousness in absence of dualistic constructs such as "self and other" and outside the cause-and-effect models of linear reasoning we use. But the deemsterz has convinced me that this type of consciousness exists.
I know it's dreadfully unscientific, but I'm not claiming it as science
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Do you realize where you're posting? This is a debate forum, if you don't wish to support your assertions in a format where rigorous debate is encouraged, then don't post them here.
"Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology" Where does it say debate? I was supporting my "ideas/beliefs"
Evidence?
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Then say "I don't believe in heaven or hell."
Which is what i said
You said "I don't believe in an afterlife." An afterlife would be a continuation of consciousness, not strictly necessarily a heaven or hell. You then said you believe in reincarnation, which is also an afterlife because it requires the continuation of consciousness after death. 
Split hairs all you want what i said was crystal clear
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This debate-oriented forum is for the discussion of philosophical ideas that can be backed up with some sort of thoughtful logic and reasoning. Topics may include epistemology, ethics, metaphysics/ontology, the psychology of mind and the sociological study of cultural and individual behavior. Personal attacks will not be tolerated, though critical analysis of the ideas presented is encouraged. If you wish to express your ideas in a less critical environment, consider visiting our Spirituality & Mysticism forum.
What you said was a crystal clear contradiction.
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You can take it out of context to fit your argument all you want, but youre wrong.
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What you said was a crystal clear contradiction.
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Telling me to "think outside the box", mentioning that my body "goes back to earth", mentioning we're made up of elements, and saying that it is arguable that I will become apart of something again eventually is not evidence that reincarnation is real, not even close.
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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: auxiliary]
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Do you realize where you're posting? This is a debate forum, if you don't wish to support your assertions in a format where rigorous debate is encouraged, then don't post them here.
"Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology" Where does it say debate? I was supporting my "ideas/beliefs"
If you bothered to read the forum description, you would know that this is a debate-oriented forum.
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Evidence?
Organic matter=biodegradable
So you're suggesting that the biodegradability of organic matter is enough to convince you that reincarnation is real?
Fuck.
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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: auxiliary]
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GTFO

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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: Poid]
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You seem to think im referring to Buddhism reincarnation im not.
reincarnation: embodiment again in a new form
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So you're suggesting that the biodegradability of organic matter is enough to convince you that reincarnation is real?
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However, I firmly believe in the existence of mice.
Go ahead, laugh it off.
Its clear to anyone who wasn't somehow butt hurt by me as to what i said.
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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: Poid]
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What makes you think this? Have you studied Buddhism?
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Yeah, that is complete bullshit, and is not supported by any convincing evidence. 
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So you're suggesting that the biodegradability of organic matter is enough to convince you that reincarnation is real?
And yes
Well, seeing as there's nothing in the biodegradability theory of organic matter which postulates that lifeforms can reincarnate into new lifeforms, this suggestion is void of anything intellectual or worth even considering to entertain seriously in a debate format such as this.
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Mush 4 Brains said: I also believe in reincarnation, have a shitty life perhaps you'll have a better one next time around.
Here is the context in which you used reincarnation. This assumes a continuation in consciousness, a la an afterlife.
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Mush 4 Brains said: I also believe in reincarnation, have a shitty life perhaps you'll have a better one next time around.
Here is the context in which you used reincarnation. This assumes a continuation in consciousness, a la an afterlife.
perhaps being the keyword girl
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Well, seeing as there's nothing in the biodegradability theory of organic matter which postulates that lifeforms can reincarnate into new lifeforms
Never said there was.
OK, so what about it convinces you that lifeforms can reincarnate into new lifeforms? Do you have any peer-reviewed studies you can link me to which support your (irrational) belief?
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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: Poid]
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When did i ever say i was convinced poid? Me seems to think your style is to change others words in order to suit your argument. Kind of like when you just recently quoted Cosmonaut on something he never even said.
This is my belief feel free to tear it apart, misunderstand it, misquote it. Call it irrational(ha, not event close to your irrationality) You know the norm for you.
- Eventually earth is going to cease to be. Eventually it will break down and be spread across the universe. How do i know this will happen, i dont for sure, BUT current science theorizes it has happened to other planets and will happen to the Earth. I believe that there is a strong possibility that fragments of the Earth (and fragments of you and everything on earth) will spread through the universe and become part of developing planets. Planets which may come to sustain life.
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It's entirely plausible. It's actually a matter of fact. Our bodies are made of stardust. But what does that have to do with reincarnation? Better yet, wtf does it have to do with perfection being imperfection? You're a very confusing person.
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Mush 4 Brains said: When did i ever say i was convinced poid?
Again, this is a debate forum, the idea here is to back up your ideas with some sort of thoughtful reasoning, not to bitch and get butthurt when they're challenged; if you believe in reincarnation, that means you're convinced of it (duh).
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Can you please explain where I did this?
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, that was an honest mistake.
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Well feel free to respond sensibly to my tearing apart of your stupid, irrational belief.
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And I know the norm for you--duck direct questions while making harsh, apparently baseless criticisms of my responses to your posts--it's pathetic.
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NO scientific theories support the notion of reincarnation--why do you only believe in science when it suits your crazy preconclusions? This is called selective reasoning (or confirmation bias), and it's retarded (much like many, if not all of your posts in this thread). 
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Why do you think the remnants of our bodies, if used as nutrients for a plant (extraplanetary or not), would retain our consciousness after death? Remember, this is a debate forum..if you don't want to answer these exceedingly simple questions, then you have the right to just completely fuck off.
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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: Poid]
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Poid your funny you keep drawing conclusions from shit i didnt say, and manipulating what i did say. Youre not worth debating. I can tell you fancy yourself an expert for some reason. Im gonna do something more productive today like jerk off. Done
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Fine, keep avoiding my questions, and criticizing them without actually justifying your criticism, or providing examples of the things you're accusing me of doing. You're not really worth debating, either--I enjoy debating with people who can actually address a point without going off on personal tangents, which seems to be pretty much all you are capable of doing here. 
I don't fancy myself anything, I just enjoy learning through the process of debate--the fact that you can't seem to be able to assist me in this learning process is another reason why you're not worth debating IMO.
Have fun spankin' your monkey.
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I believe we live in a Utopian society. Why? There is no good without evil. There is no euphoria without pain.
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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: Poid]
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Fine, keep avoiding my questions, and criticizing them without actually justifying your criticism, or providing examples of the things you're accusing me of doing. You're not really worth debating, either--I enjoy debating with people who can actually address a point without going off on personal tangents, which seems to be pretty much all you are capable of doing here. 
I don't fancy myself anything, I just enjoy learning through the process of debate--the fact that you can't seem to be able to assist me in this learning process is another reason why you're not worth debating IMO.
Have fun spankin' your monkey. 
All the points and conclusions youve elaborated on are in your own head, keep thinking you're the shit brah. Fail
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You don't seem to understand how debate works..yet another reason why I'm through debating with you.
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Why do you think the remnants of our bodies, if used as nutrients for a plant (extraplanetary or not), would retain our consciousness after death?
when did i ever say we'd retain our consciousness
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Who would debate a jagoff who tells them what they believe and why its wrong. You seriously have trouble grasping concepts
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Utopia: an imagined place or state of things in which everything is perfect
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I believe we live in a Utopian society. Why? There is no good without evil. There is no euphoria without pain.

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Why do you think the remnants of our bodies, if used as nutrients for a plant (extraplanetary or not), would retain our consciousness after death?
when did i ever say we'd retain our consciousness 
Are you shitting me? WTF do you think reincarnation is?
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Reincarnation is believed to occur when the soul or spirit, after the death of the body, comes back to life in a newborn body.
This implies that one retains their consciousness when they reincarnate into a new body..if you can't understand this, then that is yet one more reason why I will not debate further with you. 
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Are you calling me a jagoff?
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*sigh* Not that I expect you to answer, but here it goes: Which concepts do I seriously have trouble grasping?
Do you not understand that personalisms are against the rules in this forum?
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Why do you think the remnants of our bodies, if used as nutrients for a plant (extraplanetary or not), would retain our consciousness after death?
when did i ever say we'd retain our consciousness 
Are you shitting me? WTF do you think reincarnation is?
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Reincarnation is believed to occur when the soul or spirit, after the death of the body, comes back to life in a newborn body.
This implies that one retains their consciousness when they reincarnate into a new body..if you can't understand this, then that is yet one more reason why I will not debate further with you. 
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Are you calling me a jagoff?
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*sigh* Not that I expect you to answer, but here it goes: Which concepts do I seriously have trouble grasping?
Do you not understand that personalisms are against the rules in this forum?
I showed you the definition of reincarnation i was referring to. Yet you still tell me what i believe. You keep taking words out of my mouth and when i ask for evidence for your claims from my previous posts you completely ignore me.
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Mush 4 Brains said: I showed you the definition of reincarnation i was referring to.
Really, where? I guess I missed it.
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You sound like a child bitching at his parents.  
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*sigh* Not that I expect you to answer, but here it goes: Can you provide an example of me doing this?
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Mush 4 Brains said: ...and when i ask for evidence for your claims from my previous posts you completely ignore me.
Forgive me if I did this, but I do not recall you asking for evidence for my claims--if I did ignore you, though, it's probably because you've pretty much just been making personal comments about me throughout this entire discussion, and that's not something I either appreciate or respect.
So yeah, not that I expect you to answer, but here it goes: Can you provide an example of me ignoring you when you ask me to provide evidence for my claims?
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So has your inability to actually provide evidence of your accusations, even when asked to.
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No it isn't.
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You've got it backwards. The claimant provides the source. I'm simply making the observation that there's no basis for a conclusion that the universe is "imperfect".
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Re: Living in a Utopian society [Re: Poid]
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Well, seeing as there's nothing in the biodegradability theory of organic matter which postulates that lifeforms can reincarnate into new lifeforms
Never said there was.
OK, so what about it convinces you that lifeforms can reincarnate into new lifeforms? Do you have any peer-reviewed studies you can link me to which support your (irrational) belief?
If I may add, it's the same convincing belief that believes one's consciousness could 'transfer' into a copy of one's body, like in our 'teleportation thread'
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Way friendlier than our civilians.
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Well, seeing as there's nothing in the biodegradability theory of organic matter which postulates that lifeforms can reincarnate into new lifeforms
Never said there was.
OK, so what about it convinces you that lifeforms can reincarnate into new lifeforms? Do you have any peer-reviewed studies you can link me to which support your (irrational) belief?
If I may add, it's the same convincing belief that believes one's consciousness could 'transfer' into a copy of one's body, like in our 'teleportation thread' 
It's not the same at all..that teleportation thought experiment depends on a hypothetical teleportation machine which possesses the necessary technology to teleport human beings. As far as the thought experiment is concerned, this machine (and its advanced technology) is taken for granted, and is a given; the purpose of the thought experiment is to gain insights into the nature of teleportation (as opposed to gaining insights into the nature of how a hypothetical teleportation machine's mechanisms might function). My point is that, while the thought experiment seems a bit far-fetched (due to the hypothetical nature of the teleportation machine), it is still scientific in nature in that its purpose is to systematically make discoveries about the nature of teleportation.
Reincarnation is not a thought experiment, it is a mystical faith-based belief, and is not founded by any sort of scientific data ; thought experiments like the one mentioned above are used in science all the time, but there is nothing at all scientific about reincarnation.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
Edited by Poid (05/08/11 01:35 PM)
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