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yessir
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I DETEST mushrooms! 1
#14410705 - 05/06/11 02:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't think I will ever take them again! Seriously yo. I was expecting more visuals and a pleasant euphoric experience. NOT AT ALL WHAT HAPPENED! DON'T DO IT!
I took probably about 4-5g equivalent fresh (40-50g). That might have been the mistake. But if that is what they do at that dose, I don't think I want them. I was expecting an experience where I would explore a visual journey, but no, it was a twisted mental journey of thought. It started with some light visuals, but quickly turned to twisted thoughts of reality. My mind became delusional to thoughts of religion, starting with my parent's religion, Mormonism. I thought I had made a big mistake for not accepting the truth of Joseph Smith and that I was surely going to go to hell. This continued to Catholicism, Buddhism and then universalism. My mind went into thoughts of how nobody understood how good drugs were and how those who have not taken them just are completely vacant of the spiritual reality that we all live in. I thought drugs were a secret portal to the answers of the universe and that everyone else who has yet to try them must be made free. "If only I could openly share this with the world. If only they knew," I thought. "Maybe conspiracies were true. Wait, what? Holy shit am I tripping!"
All this and only 8 minutes had gone by on my video recording of the event! Time felt like it was passing slowly. But the thoughts continued...
Life was a cycle that concluded with godhood and started again at birth. That everything is connected and that life and death is a forever cycle that continues as a single entity. I came to the thought that people were like cells among the giant organism of humanity. This made me feel like I was going to die, not just die, but spiral down to an endless disillusion of existence. Thoughts of infinity frightfully entered my mind.
During these thoughts of humanity and the universe, I was interrupted with the relief of logic. I understood that drugs had no real purpose. They were simply for fun and they played no logical or reasonable roll in society. They don't lead to knowledge or understanding, just a confused twisted misunderstanding of existence. I kept saying to myself in the words of Dave Chappelle, "These are drugs, this is what they do." I continue to tell my self, "This is just a bad trip. This is a bad trip. This what drugs do. These are drugs, this is what they do. These are drugs, this is what they do." Saying this to myself relieved the anxiety and panic I had built up over my twisted thoughts of existence. "Holy shit, Ohh, I was tripping there," I said. "Damn **my name** don't forget your logic!," I reiterated to myself as I tapped between my eyes with the side of my hand. Mushrooms were really messing with my mind! I laid down on the couch for a few seconds sweating but briefly.
I was restless. I just wanted it to end.
So I turned on the T.V. and went on my laptop. I started to type to relieve the anxiety and to help time pass more smoothly. This worked fairly well. But delusion crept up again. I was now a genius. The world had to know how terrible drugs were. How they are simply for the bad. All the legal laws made sense. THIS is why they were in place, to protect people from craziness and insanity. I was going to write a book, then I would be a god. "Now for sure I am going to be famous and get all kinds of vagina," I thought to myself. When I heard myself thinking this, I said, "What the fuck are you talking about?"
A few hours had passed. Finally, the come down was in process. Reality was coming back as I watched the news. A couple hours later I went to bed in relief that it was over.
Conclusion: Psychedelics are a source of religion. Specifically Especially, Buddhism and Hinduism. Those who find spirituality in psychedelics are just stupid. They have lost their logic and are delusional. I now know why they are illegal, but I can not comment to that effect. People should be free, but maybe there is some sense in having laws to protect ourselves from... ourselves. Mr. Mackey now sounds wise to me, "Drugs are bad M'kay." I am not sure if I will ever take a "trip" again. If I do, it won't be for some time and it will only be in a low dose. I don't think the fun was worth the bad. The risk of crazy thoughts outweighs any enjoyment you can get out of the experience.
Edited by yessir (05/06/11 03:44 PM)
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir] 1
#14410727 - 05/06/11 02:55 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sounds like the problem is you, not the shrooms
An ego death would really help you realize that not everyone thinks like that and you've just thought they did this whole time
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: Shrewmz] 2
#14410741 - 05/06/11 02:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Are you sure you are old enough to be on this website?
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yessir
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Yes I am old enough. What I experienced was what you would call an "ego death."
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir]
#14410762 - 05/06/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Your posts in the past have given me the feeling that perhaps you were a minor. Your trip report gives me the impression that you are infact a minor. I would suggest focusing on other aspects of life until you have a firm enough foundation to dabble with mind altering chemicals.
I may be wrong and way off, but that is my opinion and I am entitled to it.
Drugs are not bad, but I will agree they are bad for the developing mind of a minor.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir]
#14410768 - 05/06/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Doubtful. Sounds like you claim close to ego death but completely talked your way out of it, which led to the feelings of unpleasantness.
If you want a better trip next time just remember "go with the flow"
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EvilMushroom666 said: Are you sure you are old enough to be on this website?
I agree with this guy. You have this mentality that your way is THEE way. That your right, and everyone is wrong, you sound like your in high school, not saying all high schoolers are like this, but the majority I believe. That's pretty closed minded of you.
I'm happy that the very few times I've tripped made me a way more open person
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Edited by Zardos (05/06/11 03:06 PM)
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its illogical i feel to take everything you feel on psychedelics to it's literal sense but using what they represent in your life in an intelligent matter can be like therapy, you are you. stop telling other people they are you
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir] 1
#14410802 - 05/06/11 03:12 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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yessir said: I was now a genius. The world had to know how terrible drugs were. How they are simply for the bad. All the legal laws made sense. THIS is why they were in place, to protect people from craziness and insanity. I was going to write a book, then I would be a god. "Now for sure I am going to be famous and get all kinds of vagina," I thought to myself.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir]
#14410814 - 05/06/11 03:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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yessir said: Yes I am old enough. What I experienced was what you would call an "ego death."
Well you haven't described 'an ego death' experience you've described a 'mindfuck'. Ego death means you have no concept of 'I' - yourself. It seems to me that you experienced some confusion and difficult thoughts - we already know that mushrooms can do this but thanks for reminding us.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: Libertin]
#14410918 - 05/06/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I do understand that psychedelics don't affect everyone in the same way. "I now know why they are illegal, but I can not comment to that effect."
What happened to me won't happened to all. I know this. But I think the shit I went through isn't worth the risk.
I'm not sure if you read correctly Liberin, I did lose myself. I thought the universe and everyone in it was whole and one. Life was a continuing never ending cycle and humanity was a single organism. Then I realized I was tripping.
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EvilMushroom666 said: Your posts in the past have given me the feeling that perhaps you were a minor. Your trip report gives me the impression that you are infact a minor.
Please explain. Can you be specific?
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir]
#14410931 - 05/06/11 03:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is more proof that reality is for those who cannot handle drugs imo.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir]
#14410948 - 05/06/11 03:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is a rediculous thread... speaking objectively ofcourse
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: ahchela]
#14411042 - 05/06/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ridiculous is a ridiculous word to spell.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: ahchela]
#14411055 - 05/06/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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You're dumb. Thats probably why you couldn't handle yourself IMO.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir]
#14411059 - 05/06/11 04:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you can't handle a bad trip, then don't take them.
Edited by sandi (10/15/11 12:17 AM)
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir] 1
#14411066 - 05/06/11 04:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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yessir said: Yes I am old enough. What I experienced was what you would call an "ego death."
You didn't experience ego death. Not even close.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: LSDylan]
#14411072 - 05/06/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sounds like you took too much, and were not ready for the experience Light visuals would be about 2- 3 gm.... Or so! Yes, they cause you to look at yourself, reality and the universe...
Mushrooms are not for everyone... And if your taking large doses, best be prepared
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: Joolz]
#14411078 - 05/06/11 04:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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You have the delusion that the trip was a delusion. Mush showed you the truth and you refused it .So you freaked out!  Also, going into a trip with expectations is a good way to have an unpleasant experience.And finally,never dose that high if you are in a bad mindset!!
Edited by Vsnares.Zappa (05/06/11 04:32 PM)
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: sandi]
#14411080 - 05/06/11 04:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Your religion is a ball of shit the shrooms shat out. You are close minded, and have lived a lie your whole life. Welcome to truth, something the mushrooms dont fuck around.
Edited by AbstraKt_I_Am (05/06/11 04:09 PM)
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: Shrewmz]
#14411081 - 05/06/11 04:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shrewmz said: Sounds like the problem is you, not the shrooms
An ego death would really help you realize that not everyone thinks like that and you've just thought they did this whole time
  
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Hey there man - sorry you had a bad time.
In my opinion what happened here was doubts surfaced in your mind during the come-up period, questioning your life, your psychedelic use, what religion you should follow, etc.
At this point you basically only have two choices - get into a thought loop wherein you overthink a million different things at once, or the other (better) choice - and that is to simply breath, and Let Go.
I do not think you had an "ego death" experience, but rather were on the verge of having one and then your ego defenses reared up and you went the opposite way - You need to be able to tell yourself that you will go back to *normal* (whatever that is for you) after your experience is over - All in all, all mushrooms do is change the way that your mind alone experiences the universe - keep that in mind at all times. I think most people who do psychedelics have had this trip or something similar before - I personally call it the "drugs are bad/wrong trip." I know people who have taken mushrooms and flushed stashes, told their parents about there use, etc. It usually means that there was a lingering doubt in your head - To take psychedelics and not have a "bad trip" as you termed it, you have to open your mind and be ready and accepting for EVERYTHING possible that your mind can throw at you - if it throws something scary at you, just breath, or sing, and remember that you are ALIVE and in the universe just like you were before you took the chemical.
Most experienced trippers (and I do not consider myself very experiences) on this site will tell you that everyone has these "bad trips" but you should not look at them as bad, but rather as trips to learn something from.
Either way, like I said - I wouldn't get big on the whole "drugs are bad" kick, because it is personal choice whether or not to use these substances, I know people who smoked weed and then called the cops on themselves too, does that mean weed is dangerous really? Only to a certain frame of mind
Set - Mind Set (thoughts, fears, beliefs, delusions, etc) Setting - Physical Setting
Keep these in mind next time you try and take psychedelics, and examine how you really feel and know that you are still yourself and are still alive and breathing.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir]
#14411221 - 05/06/11 04:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sounds like the main problem is that you took them expecting to see visuals. That's not all mushrooms are about you don't take them just to see pretty colors. It's certainly a fun addition to the trip but taking it for that reason is not the right way to go into it. Also euphoria isn't one to expect either, I've felt intense euphoria on shrooms but it's not always consistent, and you have to expect to fight through some negative thoughts, it's what improves you as a person.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: Mycjunky]
#14411251 - 05/06/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mycjunky said: Sounds like the main problem is that you took them expecting to see visuals. That's not all mushrooms are about you don't take them just to see pretty colors. It's certainly a fun addition to the trip but taking it for that reason is not the right way to go into it. Also euphoria isn't one to expect either, I've felt intense euphoria on shrooms but it's not always consistent, and you have to expect to fight through some negative thoughts, it's what improves you as a person.
Agreed, its all about evolution
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: ahchela]
#14411322 - 05/06/11 04:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nothing really to add. Sounds like a personal problem, and like everyone's said, that wasn't ego death. I say try again later in life.
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ego death...not even close. you be being aware of ego death is ego holding on. shrooms and realization go hand in hand. they present only what the mind has been able to compile over all the years of your life and lay it out like a puzzle. you then arrange that puzzel in a picture/understanding of your/(our) universe. (a strick adherence to societal and learned norms leads to a reinforcement of such accepted norms.) but to fight the the evidence--witch i think you did, through expectations (possibly subconsious)-- reinforced the sociaetal learned norms and expectations that are drilled into us by those that think they are all knowing....
what side of your hand did you hit your face w/?
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: funegi]
#14411406 - 05/06/11 05:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's your own fault you don't like mushrooms..
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: awakendone]
#14411510 - 05/06/11 05:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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awakendone said:
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yessir said: I was now a genius. The world had to know how terrible drugs were. How they are simply for the bad. All the legal laws made sense. THIS is why they were in place, to protect people from craziness and insanity. I was going to write a book, then I would be a god. "Now for sure I am going to be famous and get all kinds of vagina," I thought to myself.

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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: Remix]
#14411544 - 05/06/11 05:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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There is no such thing as good or bad drugs, just good or bad relationships with drugs.
You have a bad relationship with shrooms at least. You need to educate yourself on the experience and what to expect from it, and as has been said, probably need to mature a little before you're ready for the experience.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: Shrewmz]
#14411964 - 05/06/11 07:13 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shrewmz said: Sounds like the problem is you, not the shrooms
An ego death would really help you realize that not everyone thinks like that and you've just thought they did this whole time
I realized the problem right when I read he was Mormon and he actually thought that by not accepting Joseph Smith he would go to hell.
Seriously guys stop obsessing over religion.
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AbstraKt_I_Am said: Your religion is a ball of shit the shrooms shat out. You are close minded, and have lived a lie your whole life. Welcome to truth, something the mushrooms dont fuck around.
LOL, its just so true they will kick your ass if you dont use logic.
We need to distribute mushroom tea to fox news ASAP.
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AbstraKt_I_Am said: Your religion is a ball of shit the shrooms shat out. You are close minded, and have lived a lie your whole life. Welcome to truth, something the mushrooms dont fuck around.
This was directed at the OP, or me? (I'm just gonna take it as at the OP since I didn't mention religion. It's just that it said "RE: Sandi" so I was confused for a sec. Easy to do LOL)
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir]
#14412360 - 05/06/11 08:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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You took too much, man, too much too much.
Try less next time.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: drr]
#14412380 - 05/06/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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drr said: You took too much, man, too much too much.
 Adrenochrome is so HARDCORE!
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: Remix]
#14412397 - 05/06/11 08:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Been a while since I watched that. What a great movie.
Always gets me all amped on the idea of going to vegas and eating a bunch of acid. But then you have to really think about it. What a horrible idea. I mean its called "FEAR and LOATHING..." for a reason. It would be terrifying. Probably loads of fun too.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir]
#14412398 - 05/06/11 08:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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yessir said: I'm not sure if you read correctly Liberin, I did lose myself. I thought the universe and everyone in it was whole and one. Life was a continuing never ending cycle and humanity was a single organism. Then I realized I was tripping.
Sounds like you can't handle the totality of life.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir]
#14412443 - 05/06/11 08:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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i tripped last nite and got caught in many thought loops that were tough to break free from . the shrooms kept showing me my many faults and misdeeds . stick to acid , dude ! WAY less of a mindfuck imo .
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: drr]
#14412461 - 05/06/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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drr said: Been a while since I watched that. What a great movie.
Always gets me all amped on the idea of going to vegas and eating a bunch of acid. But then you have to really think about it. What a horrible idea. I mean its called "FEAR and LOATHING..." for a reason. It would be terrifying. Probably loads of fun too.
I think it could be done as long as you can let go. It would be scary at times, but man what an experience. I used to think I could never do it. Now, in my thirties, I might like to try it.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#14412504 - 05/06/11 09:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mycjunky said: Sounds like the main problem is that you took them expecting to see visuals. That's not all mushrooms are about you don't take them just to see pretty colors. It's certainly a fun addition to the trip but taking it for that reason is not the right way to go into it. Also euphoria isn't one to expect either, I've felt intense euphoria on shrooms but it's not always consistent, and you have to expect to fight through some negative thoughts, it's what improves you as a person.
This, and you took too much. I'm guessing this was your first trip?
From what you describe it sounds like you started off having an awesome trip. Then all of a sudden you got freaked out by all the THINKING you were doing .
Newsflash, shrooms make you THINK A LOT... and also it's not all about the visuals...
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir] 1
#14412611 - 05/06/11 09:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey this kid is a fucking genius. He figured out in one trip what took me 100 ayahuasca trips to realize. He figured in one trip what most shroomerites will never realize. It's bullshit, the whole fucking thing, the mushroom temples they've built in their heads are balanced on shaky, shitty, stinky, superstitious foundations.
That's right, OP. It's scrambled fucking eggs, this shit. Good for you, don't let the fanatical, religious nuts try to suck you back into the delusion. You poor bastard, you rejected Mormonism and got away, now reject the mythology, spirituality, and magic of these drugs.
You may be young, but you gots a bright future, kiddo. Now go smoke some DMT and then we'll talk again so you don't forget.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: joemolloy]
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Yeah man, that sounds like a rough ride. However, you probably made it worse on yourself. As the cliche goes, you just have to let go. Accept that you are a horrible shitty person for all the bad things that you have done. Vow to learn from your mistakes and put it behind you. I mean no offense by this but the negative thoughts are usually about me, on the comeup. You just have to deal with that shit.
Birth.
Death.
And all that is in between. Accept it. It's about your ego giving up control. Sometimes you have to go through hell to reach heaven.
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I'm sorry you had such an unpleasant trip, you learn through trial and error though when is the right time to trip, and when is the wrong time to trip. Shrooms amplify whatever you're feeling. If you're feeling great, you'll almost always have a great trip. If you're using it to escape your problems, you'll keep getting reminded of that and you'll be forced to face those problems so that you can get past them, and in some cases you'll have a great trip afterwards, othertimes you'll be curled up, in the fetal position, spiraling through a tunnel of all the things that are wrong in the world. Doesn't make it any less of a useful trip, just not "fun".
If you want fun, stay in the 1-2 gram range. If you want a mind expanding, ego dissolving, reality melting, etc. experience, experiment with the doses until you find the sweet spot. The rabbit hole goes as deep as you're willing to go. Good vibes on future journeys my brother, I'm sorry your first experience was an unpleasant one. Perhaps it was for the best though.
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op gets stuck in some thought loops and tells shroomery not to do shrooms.
what is this?
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: k00laid]
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I was not in a bad mindset. I was shot into a ridiculous delusion, THEN I refused what the mushrooms were telling me and I felt better.
I am NOT a Mormon, my parents are. I'm not even religious.
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Electri Sheep said: At this point you basically only have two choices - get into a thought loop wherein you overthink a million different things at once, or the other (better) choice - and that is to simply breath, and Let Go.
Thanks Electri Sheep. Your words were insightful.
The Mr. Mackey comment was actually a joke. But there of course was truth behind it. I am just now getting over the experience. Maybe I will be ready for shrooms some other time in the future, but for now, they aren't for me.
The beginning WAS fun. I enjoyed some light visuals. When I drank some orange juice, it was AMAZING! Then the mushrooms diluted me. The worst part WAS when I got stuck in a thought loop. That was probably at my peak.
I will never see mushrooms as spiritual, sorry guys, I broke free of religion 2 years ago. I'm not sure if I could ever do mushrooms again in the future. I still feel that perhaps they aren't for me. I am a very logical person and while I was on mushrooms, all of that disappeared.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir]
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yessir said: I am a very logical person and while I was on mushrooms, all of that disappeared.
You have to let go of whatever type of person you are. On drugs, your thoughts process is different, thats all.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir]
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yessir said: I don't think I will ever take them again! Seriously yo. I was expecting more visuals and a pleasant euphoric experience. NOT AT ALL WHAT HAPPENED! DON'T DO IT!
I took probably about 4-5g equivalent fresh (40-50g). That might have been the mistake. But if that is what they do at that dose, I don't think I want them. I was expecting an experience where I would explore a visual journey, but no, it was a twisted mental journey of thought. It started with some light visuals, but quickly turned to twisted thoughts of reality. My mind became delusional to thoughts of religion, starting with my parent's religion, Mormonism. I thought I had made a big mistake for not accepting the truth of Joseph Smith and that I was surely going to go to hell. This continued to Catholicism, Buddhism and then universalism. My mind went into thoughts of how nobody understood how good drugs were and how those who have not taken them just are completely vacant of the spiritual reality that we all live in. I thought drugs were a secret portal to the answers of the universe and that everyone else who has yet to try them must be made free. "If only I could openly share this with the world. If only they knew," I thought. "Maybe conspiracies were true. Wait, what? Holy shit am I tripping!"
All this and only 8 minutes had gone by on my video recording of the event! Time felt like it was passing slowly. But the thoughts continued...
Life was a cycle that concluded with godhood and started again at birth. That everything is connected and that life and death is a forever cycle that continues as a single entity. I came to the thought that people were like cells among the giant organism of humanity. This made me feel like I was going to die, not just die, but spiral down to an endless disillusion of existence. Thoughts of infinity frightfully entered my mind.
During these thoughts of humanity and the universe, I was interrupted with the relief of logic. I understood that drugs had no real purpose. They were simply for fun and they played no logical or reasonable roll in society. They don't lead to knowledge or understanding, just a confused twisted misunderstanding of existence. I kept saying to myself in the words of Dave Chappelle, "These are drugs, this is what they do." I continue to tell my self, "This is just a bad trip. This is a bad trip. This what drugs do. These are drugs, this is what they do. These are drugs, this is what they do." Saying this to myself relieved the anxiety and panic I had built up over my twisted thoughts of existence. "Holy shit, Ohh, I was tripping there," I said. "Damn **my name** don't forget your logic!," I reiterated to myself as I tapped between my eyes with the side of my hand. Mushrooms were really messing with my mind! I laid down on the couch for a few seconds sweating but briefly.
I was restless. I just wanted it to end.
So I turned on the T.V. and went on my laptop. I started to type to relieve the anxiety and to help time pass more smoothly. This worked fairly well. But delusion crept up again. I was now a genius. The world had to know how terrible drugs were. How they are simply for the bad. All the legal laws made sense. THIS is why they were in place, to protect people from craziness and insanity. I was going to write a book, then I would be a god. "Now for sure I am going to be famous and get all kinds of vagina," I thought to myself. When I heard myself thinking this, I said, "What the fuck are you talking about?"
A few hours had passed. Finally, the come down was in process. Reality was coming back as I watched the news. A couple hours later I went to bed in relief that it was over.
Conclusion: Psychedelics are a source of religion. Specifically Especially, Buddhism and Hinduism. Those who find spirituality in psychedelics are just stupid. They have lost their logic and are delusional. I now know why they are illegal, but I can not comment to that effect. People should be free, but maybe there is some sense in having laws to protect ourselves from... ourselves. Mr. Mackey now sounds wise to me, "Drugs are bad M'kay." I am not sure if I will ever take a "trip" again. If I do, it won't be for some time and it will only be in a low dose. I don't think the fun was worth the bad. The risk of crazy thoughts outweighs any enjoyment you can get out of the experience.
Let me get this straight...
you were brainwashed into Mormonism
you think psychedelics brainwash people into other religions
therefore, mushrooms should be illegal.
What the fuck?
Do me a favor and look up logical fallacy. While you're at it, kick yourself in the ass.
Mormonism is a fucking CROCK
Joseph Smith, your grand poo-ba, bought parts of your sacred mormon cult book from a traveling mummy exposition, you dumb fuck http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Abraham
There are other crocks of shit abound in the book of mormon, but I'm not going to waste any more of my time writing about it.
You've never thought for yourself, so why should I encourage you to start, now?
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Ego vs. Heart.
Next time, try giving something that has the power to destroy that disrespectful mind of yours some respect man. Detest is a very harsh word to say to a little being that simply reflects your intention.
Blessings brother. Hopefully you will approach the medicine with more respect next time and not look for a roller coaster ride.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: OneU]
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I literally just read your title, "I DETEST MUSHROOMS" and then read "DONT DO IT!"
are you fucking kidding me?
"I DETEST MUSHROOMS" "I DETEST" "I"
fuck off.
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@CaptainAhab You are a moron. Are you even capable of reading or understanding English? I think it is obvious why I said, "my parent's religion." It was me making a clear disassociating from what they believe. Also, I readdressed the topic in a couple posts above yours.
The intelligence in these forums is really pushing me further away. People spout off their rhetoric before even haven read what they are responding to.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir]
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yessir said: @CaptainAhab You are a moron. Are you even capable of reading or understanding English? I think it is obvious why I said, "my parent's religion." It was me making a clear disassociating from what they believe. Also, I readdressed the topic in a couple posts above yours.
The intelligence in these forums is really pushing me further away. People spout off their rhetoric before even haven read what they are responding to.
Typical mormon shit. Here's you being an ass: "I was expecting more visuals and a pleasant euphoric experience. NOT AT ALL WHAT HAPPENED! DON'T DO IT!"
"Psychedelics are a source of religion. Specifically Especially, Buddhism and Hinduism. Those who find spirituality in psychedelics are just stupid. They have lost their logic and are delusional."
"I now know why [mushrooms] are illegal... People should be free, but maybe there is some sense in having laws to protect ourselves from ourselves."
You connected mushrooms with religion. You have guilt about not being mormon enough. You think that mushrooms should be illegal.
What's unclear about that, to you? Want me to repeat it in caps?
This style of argumentation is typical of religious-types. That's because you live in a black and white world, where things are strictly right and wrong. The problem with that, and with dealing in absolutes, in general, is that you lose sight of the truth because of your adherence to "values" and "belief."
Your posts reek of ignorance.
EDIT: I grew up with a lot of mormon friends. Most of them went through a rebellious phase where they got involved with drugs and alcohol, renounced Mormonism, got kicked in the ass by reality, then went crying back to big mama (Mormonism).
Friend 1: went on a mission. Came back, decided he hated the religion. Gets involved with drugs and alcohol. Gets depressed, reconverts to Mormonism. Commits suicide.
Friend 2: Grew up in an ultra-Mormon household. Found out that his dad was spying on his sister while she showered, and was jerking off. Renounces mormonism. Gets involved with drugs and alcohol. Drops out of high school. Reconverts to mormonism. Marries 16 year old girl, has 5 kids, lives in a trailer now behind his parents house.
Friend 3: Class valedictorian. Mormon household. Goes off to college, starts drinking. Becomes serious alcoholic. Renounces mormonism. Reconverts to mormonism, marries fat woman and has kids and moves to middle of nowhere.
Friends I'm not going to keep listing: Mormons all getting involved with drugs and alcohol, then having serious life fuckups and starting to use drugs and alcohol. This is always followed by reverting back to mormonism.
So I ask, how far along are you in reconverting?
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir]
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You shouldn`t blame the mushies my friend..it was just a bad and delusional trip triggered by latent anxietys and possibly rejections that you had about the religion you were born into. Also the fact that you did not know what to expect. Mushrooms can be a fun carnaval ride,yet the emotional swings and mindfuck is always a thing to consider before taking them.
The dosage was pretty high also for a first-timer,and I assume they were not so potent after all.
Mushrooms wanted to dissolve your ego. Your ego did not want that,and therefore he fought back.
I advice you to try them again sometime,maybe in a different setting,and for sure with a lower dosage. They are not to blame....
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir]
#14413279 - 05/07/11 12:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Appreciate that you started with a pretty high dose for a first time. Most people recommend something like 2g dried, and you jumped in at 4-5. I can appreciate where you're coming from, and everybody has their own beliefs. I don't believe there's any spirituality behind psychedelics, but I do believe some good can come from introspection and personal betterment. I also agree some drugs should be illegal, but for different reasons. I think a lot of people, like you, aren't prepared for the experience, and will end up with a bad trip and a bad experience, not unlike what happened to you. I don't mean any disrespect by this; I'm simply saying you weren't prepared for what happened to you, and I don't think you'd disagree. I also don't mean to run that whole "people aren't prepared to learn the TRUTH, man" sorta thing either. I simply mean that the experience can be enjoyable if you can be prepared enough to enjoy it. What you take from it is your decision, and what you believe you can take from it is determined by your beliefs.
You have to appreciate other people's viewpoints in order to have them appreciate yours. Also appreciate that the Shroomery is not the place to come on and talk about how nobody should do mushrooms. I understand where you're coming from, I respect your beliefs on what the experience means, and I respect your decision to stay away from mushrooms. I just don't like how you want to impress that onto everybody else. That's why people are getting angry with you.
I think we'd all appreciate it if you were more respectful of others' opinions. Then we can have a reasonable discussion about it.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir]
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yeah, people can be douchebags on here. But it's the internet... get used to it 
but seriously. You took what we call a "heroic dose" and had intense experience that you were not ready for and then say that you agree that these substances should stay illegal and make all kinds of extreme statements.
Look, if you don't wanna do shrooms then fine. But to assert that I should be locked up in a cage (prison) where my chances of getting raped, beaten, and catching TB or menengitis skyrocket simply because I choose to eat psychedelics is a pretty fucked up assertion.
I'm sorry that you weren't responsible enough to make a smart decision about your dose, but the rest of us are doing just fine. I fucking love mushrooms, I'm sorry you don't. And maybe if they were legal you would have had a completely different context for your experimentation that would have prevented you from making the mistakes that you did.
People are focusing too much on the whole mormon/religion thing. Ignore those idiots.
srsly though, take a step back and really look at why you had a bad time and how extreme your statements are in light of that.
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.whatever. sucks you had a bad trip OP
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: sandi]
#14413448 - 05/07/11 01:18 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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OP sorry
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: k00laid]
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: waves]
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why such hatred towards mormonism? so what if it's incorrect or correct it's just a belief and has absolutely no affect on you get over it.
plus this guy isn't even morman, and look he even admitted that some of his statements were over the top. seems like a pretty intelligent guy to me...
OP thumbs up for staying rational and level headed
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: joemolloy]
#14413700 - 05/07/11 03:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: Hey this kid is a fucking genius. He figured out in one trip what took me 100 ayahuasca trips to realize. He figured in one trip what most shroomerites will never realize. It's bullshit, the whole fucking thing, the mushroom temples they've built in their heads are balanced on shaky, shitty, stinky, superstitious foundations.
That's right, OP. It's scrambled fucking eggs, this shit. Good for you, don't let the fanatical, religious nuts try to suck you back into the delusion. You poor bastard, you rejected Mormonism and got away, now reject the mythology, spirituality, and magic of these drugs.
You may be young, but you gots a bright future, kiddo. Now go smoke some DMT and then we'll talk again so you don't forget.
although i agree a lot of this stuff is just individual experience and drug ecstacy if you know how to look into the messages in a less then literal sense a lot of it can be deciphered and applied in a positive way.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir]
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On 80 wet grams i vowed not to do drugs again but at the same time I time traveled to 2012, ripped a hole in the spacetime continuum, caused the apocalypse, went to the "other side", the aliens backed up our consciousness on a super computer in another dimension and then i created my after life out of shattered memories of my before life.
You'll have that.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: waves]
#14413959 - 05/07/11 06:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Non-judgmental awareness might be something worth practicing if you want to prevent this delusional thinking from recurring.
A relatively high-dose trip is definitely going to bombard you with a lot of crazy mindfuck (especially shrooms). Contrary to naive popular misconceptions, it is not just about visual hallucinations (or even primarily so). That would actually be quite unchallenging to deal with, if one retained one's normal consciousness that could constantly re-assure itself that it was just a hallucination. Often a trip can be about delusion without hallucinations. For example, you look at a chair, and it looks like any old chair, but for no explicit reason you are suddenly convinced that that chair is Abraham Lincoln, and you laugh and say, "Goodness gracious, my good Abraham Lincoln, why on earth are you dressed as a chair on this fine evening?"
With all this crazy stuff coming at you, you obviously need to be able to withhold judgment until you are sober again. Just observe. Observe. When something totally unexpected arises, laugh and gaze in childlike wonder, but set aside for the time being the question of whether it is true or not. That's not the point. You can process all that later. (And, in fact, that seems to be exactly what you are doing here, which is exactly what you need to be doing, so I'm not really sure I see what the problem is. I mean, you came out of the trip with your sanity intact, right?)
You probably see now why people talk about spending so much time "processing" their trips afterwards, and why this is so important. It's because they have observed apparent insights that are so profound and complex, and so "out there," so teetering on the knife's edge between delusion and mystical revelation, that it really takes a lot of thought and patience to get out of it what is worthwhile without getting sucked down some delusional train of logic.
This is also why the setting of one's trip is so important. Ideally you want an environment where you can entirely suspend your judgment, where you will have absolutely no pressing concerns on you for the duration of the trip, where there is no significant decision that you will have to make right then and there. When you are in a situation where you are forced to make a judgment, where, for example, you are with a person that you don't absolutely trust and you have to judge the validity of the idea that comes up that, "He's actually part of a worldwide conspiracy to steal my brain and deliver it to aliens!" because you are worried that he might imminently do that in that situation, then you have a big problem on your hands, because even if you judge against the idea, then you will interpret that as evidence that you are really going crazy. Whereas, if you are with a friend that you absolutely trust, then you might have a similar delusional thought pop in of, "There's a worldwide conspiracy to steal my brain and deliver it to aliens!" But, instead of having to rush to judgment of it, you can simply observe and say, "Oh, haha, isn't that an interesting idea." At this point, if you give it a chance, you might "realize" that your thoughts do not define you, and that you are an immortal soul of pure light, beyond thought and time. And you can observe and say, "Oh, haha, isn't *that* an interesting idea." And then you can consider the idea of what I'm telling you right now, that you should practice non-judgmental awareness, and you can observe and say, "Oh, haha, isn't *that* an interesting idea."
And then your brain asplodes because you realize that if you don't come to a judgment on whether to follow this method, you need not arrive at the judgment that you don't need to come to a judgment on whether to follow this method. Judging to use non-judgmental awareness leads to a paradox. And then you come to a visceral realization of Goedel's Incompleteness Theorems--that there is no self-justifying system or method of thought that can simultaneously explain the universe and prove its own validity. That the structure of logic itself in the universe is inherently paradoxical, that any conclusion must be founded on certain unprovable a priori assumptions, and that, thus, any conclusion is just a provisional guess anyways...which, conveniently enough, re-justifies the idea of practicing non-judgmental awareness, which once again leads you to hold an indeterminate position on the entire thought process you just had, which once again leads you to be indeterminate on the question of whether you should be indeterminate and non-judgmental...and then you see that this recursive thought-loop could just as well go on forever, so you might as well go fix yourself a bowl of cereal, assuming you can operate these strange limb-like appendages that you once thought of as your arms and legs.
Yeah, that's trippin' for ya. I bet nobody told you that it would be about that, rather that pretty colors. Sorry.
But I guess my most surefire advice (even more than non-judgmental awareness, whose skepticism can corrode its own basis, even though it will set you up on a safe thought loop that will totally immobilize you from doing or thinking anything actively harmful or delusional) would be to engage in familiar, mundane activites like eating a bowl of cereal, or drying the dishes, if all else fails....if you can manage it, like I said. Sometimes you will be so gone that all you can do is lie on the floor and close your eyes.
Really, there is no 100% surefire trick to safely tripping. If there were, then I think that it would kinda take some of the excitement out of it. Just remember that you're going to die eventually anyways, and that taking risks in life is unavoidable, especially if you want to get anything out of this life before you die, and thus that tripping is no more foolish of a risk than moving in for that first kiss and hoping that that cute girl/guy you are dating is on the same page.
And if all else fails, heed the tripping advice of Dio, who is indeed an Almighty God whose musical inspiration we mortals are lucky to have been blessed with:
What he's saying is, don't run away from your trip, but push through it. If this metaphor doesn't make sense right now, just give it some time. With enough tripping experience, it will start to make sense.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: Comradez]
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Also, to the OP:
You probably feel like you aren't getting very much empathy here, like we are somewhat dismissing how fucked up your trip was, but trust me, most of us have been there, where you can't imagine yourself doing psychedelics ever again, and you know what? It's entirely okay to feel like you are feeling right now, like psychedelics are bullshit and dangerous and whatnot, and if you want to continue with that conviction ever on, then that's your choice, but first I'd at least bid you to consider that it might be possible to move on from this feeling. For example, Dio's definitely been there:
http://youtu.be/BZvNx0WTaPQ
Here's my analysis of the lyrics:
Shame on the night [shame on the dark side of psychedelics] for places I've been and what I've seen for giving me the strangest dreams [the strangest trips] But you never let me know just what they mean! [yes, it's frustrating sometimes!] so oh oh so shame on the night alright!
And shame on you [shame on psychedelics again] you've stolen the day snatched it away but I saw the sky and I never want to die [never wanna lose myself in them--ego death] Now you know the reason why I say oh shame on the night
You don't care what you've done [psychedelics are just uncaring chemicals, which they are, and it feels unfair to have one's entire reality be toyed with by these chemicals that, at the end of the day, don't give a shit] so I think I'd better run [I'd better get away from psychedelics]
Shame on the sun [shame on the light, grandiose side of psychedelics] for the light you sold [the grandiose delusions] I've lost my hold on the magic flame [psychedelics went south for me] but now I know your name [now I'm up to your tricks, psychedelics] Oh lord just go the way you came again [just leave me alone, psychedelics] oh oh oh shame on the night
You don't care what you've done so I know I'd better run
Shame on the night for places I've been and what I've seen for giving me the strangest dreams You never never never know just what they mean oh shame on the night
You don't care what you've done here I go I've got to run
Shame on the night shame shame on you Shame on the dream shame on the sun and you shame on the night Well I've lost my hold on the magic flame but now I know your name Shame on the night shame on you shame on all of you shame on the night Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha [one's imaginings of psychedelics sadistically laughing at us mortals who fumble with them and presume to take on their power]
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Here's another song:
Here's my analysis of the lyrics:
He'd never tell her lies [psychedelics would never tell you lies] And she believed in magic [you believed in them, you hoped they would show you something neat] But when the magic died [when it didn't turn out like you expected] She could see that all along he's just been
Guilty - a liar, liar [psychedelics are misleading liars] Guilty Guilty - burn in fire [psychedelics can do die in a fire] Guilty
It's time to say goodbye Don't tell another story [no more trips] Another alibi [don't give me another rationalization for why the psychedelic experience is actually worthwhile] Now you see that all along he's just been
Guilty - a liar, liar Guilty Guilty - you burn in fire Guilty Guilty - the great pretender [psychedelics pretend to give you insights, but really they are just fooling you] Guilty You're guilty - just surrender cause you're guilty
Broken promise But please forgive again [psychedelics are saying, "Forgive me."] One more time for me [one more trip?] It's the very last time - you'll see
Guilty - liar, liar You'll burn in fire Guilty - liar, liar Guilty
Guilty - the great pretender Guilty Guilty - just surrender, you're guilty Guilty, guilty, guilty A liar, liar Guilty - you'll burn in fire Oh guilty, you'll burn in fire Surrender - guilty So guilty
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But here's a song where Dio gives a much more even-handed assessment of psychedelics:
Which is just to re-emphasize the obvious truism: that psychedelics can be either good or bad. But sometimes you need to viscerally experience this first before you really get it.
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They say that life's a carousel / Spinning fast, you've got to ride it well / The world is full of kings and queens / Who blind your eyes and steal your dreams / It's heaven and hell - Ronnie James Dio (RIP)
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: Comradez]
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Shrooms are not for the feeble minded. 'nuff said.
And to Op: try researching substances before diving in. if u had done this, you would have known the risks already just like I did.
Bad trips are inevitable if u repeat psychedelic use over and over. get used to it.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: Comradez]
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Comradez said:
With all this crazy stuff coming at you, you obviously need to be able to withhold judgment until you are sober again. Just observe. Observe. When something totally unexpected arises, laugh and gaze in childlike wonder, but set aside for the time being the question of whether it is true or not.
 
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AbstraKt_I_Am said: Your religion is a ball of shit the shrooms shat out. You are close minded, and have lived a lie your whole life. Welcome to truth, something the mushrooms dont fuck around.
LOL, its just so true they will kick your ass if you dont use logic.
We need to distribute mushroom tea to fox news ASAP.
I'd say that you're bound to get your ass kicked in a trip if you do apply logic. Why? Because most of the time, a trip is just beyond logic and reason. Just my opinion, though.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir]
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yessir said: I was expecting an experience where I would...
Here's your problem right there
Chaos never matches expectations
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: easyrider]
#14415612 - 05/07/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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[gradient:#4D1CED,#3AED1A]When the mind's existing constructs are challenged, well really shattered by psychedelics, things happen. I think in a few years you'll look back on this and realized how much the experience changed you.[/gradient]
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: Luman]
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Luman said:
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yessir said: I was expecting an experience where I would...
Here's your problem right there
Chaos never matches expectations
I agree with this as well - you can't expect anything out of a psychedelic trip - besides the fact that the machinery (your brain) that interprets the universe for you personally will be altered in some fundamental way (can differ every damn time) for some period of time.
They are only *spiritual* whatever that means, if you decide that they are to you personally, but all mushrooms are objectively are fungal bodies that contain chemicals that closely mimic neurotransmitters in your brain...
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You don't have to believe in spirituality, but that doesn't mean its 100% bullshit. What doesn't work for some, works for others, and vice versa.
Psychs aren't for everyone. OP is part of the people who probably shouldn't go down the rabbit hole.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: mycelial]
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This world understands no coward. You shouldnt have done them if you werent prepared to loose your mind.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir]
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well just because shrooms effect you this way dose not mean it effects everyone that way and you cant make usumptions of how mushrooms work for everyone- alot of people DO have spiritual trips and just because you feel you can not dosent not mean everyone works like you, i also grew up in mormon family and i can tell you it is a complete bullshit religion bassed on alot of horrible shit. josiph smith was not that good of guy if you did a little reserch.
i have NEVER been parinoid or had ANY bad mental "scary" effects from psyc's also dont fucking dive into such a large dose if this is ur first "trip"
maby you cant have a deep experince with shrooms but i have had so manny loveing experiences where i am just full of joy of this amazeing world we live in and how psychs help me see that at times.
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I think we have a philistine on our hands people.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#14416655 - 05/07/11 09:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Having done a research into the occult and being in contact with an O.T.O. and A.A. (Astrum Argentum) member my thoughts on this differ to other peoples.
I think you were basically downloaded with esoteric information that you couldn't handle. I would guess that if you were to search for information on what you experienced you would find it rather "New Age".
Psychedelics can open you up to be in contact with spirits and they can give you information, which may be true or false and deceptive. Some of the time you aren't aware that you are actually having a one way communication with an entity.
I find it odd how people have mushroom experiences and come out of it with esoteric ideas and beliefs. I know from research that at the very least some of "The Mysteries" are a bit of truth mixed in with lies.
In regards the OP's experience, I could compare it to saying I detest alcohol because I drank two bottles of Jack Daniels within a short period of time. I think you really need to know what you are doing when using psychedelics.
-------------------- (LSD) Lysergic Acid Diethylamide 25 "It is just a tool to turn us into what we are supposed to be." - Albert Hofmann "Drugs have done good things for us, if you don't believe they have do me a favor and take all your albums, tapes, CD's and burn them. Because you know what? Those musicians that have made that great music that has enhanced your lifes through out the years ... real fucking high on drugs." - Bill Hicks
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#14416663 - 05/07/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Maybe OP should become accustomed to lower dosages before trying to turn himself into a little Mckenna
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: mukhail]
#14448682 - 05/13/11 11:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thank you to those of you with caring words. OfflineVicariousGreg and Nunbuh_Chrubble, thank you for your insight.
I would like to apologize to the community. My words of "DON'T DO IT" were extreme and I hope many of you can see were I was coming from. My gratuitous intentions were not to abolish mushrooms and mushroom users, but to simply prevent others from experience what I had experienced.
People should be free.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir]
#14449120 - 05/14/11 01:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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yessir said: Yes I am old enough. What I experienced was what you would call an "ego death."
Yes, ego-death - which can be terrifying if you fight it. Take another trip, this time let go.
I've had far worse trips but I've always learnt from them, the mushroom will test you and shatter you previous beliefs if it so wants to. Then I've tripped a few months later and had blissful visual trips and found inner peace. It all depends on the set and setting too.
Again, if you're not paying attention the mushroom has the power to shatter your mind if it wants...
All I'm saying is don't give up on one of nature's greatest gifts just 'cause of 1 bad trip!
-------------------- “Belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a doctrine of any sort, or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about that aspect of existence." - Robert Anton Wilson It is so obvious: Psilocybin Mushrooms are living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy!
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: fugazi32]
#14449628 - 05/14/11 04:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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OP: You have successfully utilized some objectivity, abstract reasoning, imagination, observation, and creativity to forge a cognitive path different from the parents. Kudos for that. I encourage you to embrace those skills in your journey.
Your understanding of "logic" will evolve. If you can embrace the adaptive elements of your thinking process your mind will transcend layer after layer of arbitrary judgmentalism. You will be out of the box.
Unfortunately we all have artifacts of our upbringing and genetics that interfere with these processes. It takes time to identify and resolve (quarantine) them. People here are reacting to some of your cognitive artifacts. Namely, the projection of rigidity onto a dynamic experience. The need for order. The fear of chaos. The exaggerated sense of self.
If you cling to the tendency to fit reality into your compartmentalized cognitive structure - the rooms of thought that make so much sense and help your world seem rational - you will become a rigid fundamentalist of your own design.
I relate strongly to your challenges. When I was a teen I might have spoken your words verbatim. My advice is to consider very strongly the probability that whatever rationale there may be for your existence, you are incapable of grasping it. So learn to enjoy the ride. You are infinitesimal. Take every advantage of that.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir]
#14450185 - 05/14/11 09:20 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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yessir said: I don't think I will ever take them again! Seriously yo. I was expecting more visuals and a pleasant euphoric experience. NOT AT ALL WHAT HAPPENED! DON'T DO IT!
As soon as I saw this first sentence I knew right away why you had a bad trip.
You pass judgement far too quick, whether you would like to believe it or not.
You hold expectation high above your head, thus when things did not live exactly and immediately up to these expectations, your trip broke down.
At times, things will be uncomfortable, it is your ability to adapt and embrace this change as an animal and human being that will pave the way for a more "euphoric" experience.
Not the heady stubbornness that I'm feeling from your side of the internets.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir]
#14450296 - 05/14/11 09:48 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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yessir said: I will never see mushrooms as spiritual, sorry guys, I broke free of religion 2 years ago. I'm not sure if I could ever do mushrooms again in the future. I still feel that perhaps they aren't for me. I am a very logical person and while I was on mushrooms, all of that disappeared.
I had a very similar experience when I was 19 and I was too young to understand. Was also raised religious, catholic, and thought I was pretty intelligent. The dose was twenty hits, I spent hours crying curled up in the fetal position. Then after ten or so hours of mindfuck like you would not believe, I let go. It turned out that life is not so bad once you open up your mind and just ride the ride. And tripping is just like that. Clear your mind and just accept the journey.
Your religion and how you were raised has formed a window through which you view the world. What is true and real to you has been all mixed up and chaos was the result of your trip. I suggest trying it again when you are ready.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: fatppl12]
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fatppl12 said:
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yessir said: I don't think I will ever take them again! Seriously yo. I was expecting more visuals and a pleasant euphoric experience. NOT AT ALL WHAT HAPPENED! DON'T DO IT!
At times, things will be uncomfortable, it is your ability to adapt and embrace this change as an animal and human being that will pave the way for a more "euphoric" experience.
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People who use psychedelics seem to either end up in Buddhist monasteries or preaching doomsday conspiracies... There is no middle ground.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: River Man]
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir]
#14453178 - 05/14/11 07:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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yessir said: I was expecting an experience where I would explore a visual journey, but no, it was a twisted mental journey of thought
Haha, I've always thought this is funny. 99% of a psychedelic journey is mental YET the mental alterations can't really be described at all. So when people try to describe what psychedelics are like, people end up getting the impressions it's about "seeing things" and "feeling good".
If you think of life as looking through a lens, taking a psychedelic is like looking through a different lens, that's the best way I can describe it.
I think this should be emphasized to people though, especially at higher doses where "visuals" and "hallucinations" aren't really important to the experience. They're more like icing on the cake which happens to be slightly easier to describe.
Anyway OP sounds young and naive. He'll come around though. Now that he's knows that that experience is available to him he'll seek it out when he's ready.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: Dawks]
#14453244 - 05/14/11 08:00 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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too many posts to read all the replies....but just wanted to say, u were just being a pussy to your inner fears. that is all. ur probably a kid. grow the fuck up and educate urself more before u eat a mega dose like 30+ fresh. your mom surely told you NOT to play with fire or u will get burned.
same thing in this case with the shrooms and you didnt listen to mom... blaming the shrooms because u coward down to ur fears like a weak ass is like saying that fire is evil because it destroys things. it also provides warmth in winter or on cooler nights camping and kills bacteria in food so you can eat it without getting sick or catching parasites.
bottom line is, you have to be responsible bro, dont go around spreading this ignorance again, the hell is the matter with you. you know where fuck ur at, right?
-------------------- "We are perfect mirrors in the sun and we brightly shine, we are singing and dancing in perfect time, there is nothing in the world that we can do, to stop the light of love come shining through" --Sally Oldfield
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: Dawks]
#14460208 - 05/16/11 12:55 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dawks said: If you think of life as looking through a lens, taking a psychedelic is like looking through a different lens, that's the best way I can describe it.
This is exactly how I describe it, but it never does justice. That, and somebody on here came up with the analogy of explaining it being like explaining a kaleidescope to a blind man.
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The brain processes 40 billion "bits" of information at a time. We consciously live inside 2000 "bits" of that 40 billion. Psychs are like taking the magnifying glass that is 2000 "bits" and moving it over to the side a little.
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Ya ive had a very similar trip man. The thoughts you described are pretty much identical to the thoughts i experianced on that many shrooms. Not to mention I was tripping with my girlfriend who wouldnt shut up about a recent miscarriage.
......You wanna talk about hell never again
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Let me add OP please do not listen to these 16 yr old kidiots who scream...."Not man enough", "Not Holy enough", "Not strong enough" bullshit.
They will learn someday that such an experiance and even intense psychedelic hating fear can happen to them. Ill go as far to say the vast majority in this thread will grow up no wiser, and even more religious then your average, bud light drinking American.
It is partially your fault though. These types of trips have to do with settings. As mentioned when i was a stupid 18 yr old. I decided 4 to 5 grams was a good dose to take locked inside my bedroom with my miscarrying girlfriend. You cant even imagine the utter insantiy and fear that took place as i sat inside my own hell i had created(or maybe you can ). Ive come to realize myself that when the mind can not find solace in the present moment, it creates ways to cope (thus manifesting in the form of verious thoughts) each unable to satisfy the current state of dissatisfaction.....making you move on to the next delusional thought (like trying various blankets hoping one will eventually keep you warm).
Take these drugs for what they are worth. Chemicals that if ued in a correct, non stressful setting having the power for equally tranquil and emotionally comforting thoughts to accompany it. Other cultures who have used these plants to induce such a healing state, go to great lengths to avoid such a trip you described with allot of fasting, praying, and discipline (even avoiding wearing certain colors ) in order to bring about a favorable experiance. Im glad you came out of it ok and managed to keep your feet on the ground. As for myself it took me near 4 years to completley mend the life shattering events that followed that horrible trip. 
To quote a peyote shaman.... "If disrespected, the user will go mad...and destroy himself
Set setting sitter
-------------------- Hippies and Liberals love Pope Francis, so why dont I quote him for you guys. "There is NO SALVATION outside the Catholic Church"
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Wow, guys. Just wow. With the exception of a few outstanding individuals and their considerate responses, most of you sound like a slobbering pack of butthurt junkies.
Personally, OP's post made me laugh a bit. And nod a bit. Because I understand that experience, and I understand the sensibility of wanting to push that experience away.
It isn't the shrooms, OP. It's the individual. As you can see by your wide variety of responses, tripping balls won't morph you into one particular kind of person or another. Which, if anything, may come as some sort of relief.
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