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thedudeman
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: joemolloy]
#14413700 - 05/07/11 03:13 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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joemolloy said: Hey this kid is a fucking genius. He figured out in one trip what took me 100 ayahuasca trips to realize. He figured in one trip what most shroomerites will never realize. It's bullshit, the whole fucking thing, the mushroom temples they've built in their heads are balanced on shaky, shitty, stinky, superstitious foundations.
That's right, OP. It's scrambled fucking eggs, this shit. Good for you, don't let the fanatical, religious nuts try to suck you back into the delusion. You poor bastard, you rejected Mormonism and got away, now reject the mythology, spirituality, and magic of these drugs.
You may be young, but you gots a bright future, kiddo. Now go smoke some DMT and then we'll talk again so you don't forget.
although i agree a lot of this stuff is just individual experience and drug ecstacy if you know how to look into the messages in a less then literal sense a lot of it can be deciphered and applied in a positive way.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir]
#14413733 - 05/07/11 03:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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On 80 wet grams i vowed not to do drugs again but at the same time I time traveled to 2012, ripped a hole in the spacetime continuum, caused the apocalypse, went to the "other side", the aliens backed up our consciousness on a super computer in another dimension and then i created my after life out of shattered memories of my before life.
You'll have that.
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Edited by waves (05/20/11 07:48 AM)
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: waves]
#14413959 - 05/07/11 06:12 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Non-judgmental awareness might be something worth practicing if you want to prevent this delusional thinking from recurring.
A relatively high-dose trip is definitely going to bombard you with a lot of crazy mindfuck (especially shrooms). Contrary to naive popular misconceptions, it is not just about visual hallucinations (or even primarily so). That would actually be quite unchallenging to deal with, if one retained one's normal consciousness that could constantly re-assure itself that it was just a hallucination. Often a trip can be about delusion without hallucinations. For example, you look at a chair, and it looks like any old chair, but for no explicit reason you are suddenly convinced that that chair is Abraham Lincoln, and you laugh and say, "Goodness gracious, my good Abraham Lincoln, why on earth are you dressed as a chair on this fine evening?"
With all this crazy stuff coming at you, you obviously need to be able to withhold judgment until you are sober again. Just observe. Observe. When something totally unexpected arises, laugh and gaze in childlike wonder, but set aside for the time being the question of whether it is true or not. That's not the point. You can process all that later. (And, in fact, that seems to be exactly what you are doing here, which is exactly what you need to be doing, so I'm not really sure I see what the problem is. I mean, you came out of the trip with your sanity intact, right?)
You probably see now why people talk about spending so much time "processing" their trips afterwards, and why this is so important. It's because they have observed apparent insights that are so profound and complex, and so "out there," so teetering on the knife's edge between delusion and mystical revelation, that it really takes a lot of thought and patience to get out of it what is worthwhile without getting sucked down some delusional train of logic.
This is also why the setting of one's trip is so important. Ideally you want an environment where you can entirely suspend your judgment, where you will have absolutely no pressing concerns on you for the duration of the trip, where there is no significant decision that you will have to make right then and there. When you are in a situation where you are forced to make a judgment, where, for example, you are with a person that you don't absolutely trust and you have to judge the validity of the idea that comes up that, "He's actually part of a worldwide conspiracy to steal my brain and deliver it to aliens!" because you are worried that he might imminently do that in that situation, then you have a big problem on your hands, because even if you judge against the idea, then you will interpret that as evidence that you are really going crazy. Whereas, if you are with a friend that you absolutely trust, then you might have a similar delusional thought pop in of, "There's a worldwide conspiracy to steal my brain and deliver it to aliens!" But, instead of having to rush to judgment of it, you can simply observe and say, "Oh, haha, isn't that an interesting idea." At this point, if you give it a chance, you might "realize" that your thoughts do not define you, and that you are an immortal soul of pure light, beyond thought and time. And you can observe and say, "Oh, haha, isn't *that* an interesting idea." And then you can consider the idea of what I'm telling you right now, that you should practice non-judgmental awareness, and you can observe and say, "Oh, haha, isn't *that* an interesting idea."
And then your brain asplodes because you realize that if you don't come to a judgment on whether to follow this method, you need not arrive at the judgment that you don't need to come to a judgment on whether to follow this method. Judging to use non-judgmental awareness leads to a paradox. And then you come to a visceral realization of Goedel's Incompleteness Theorems--that there is no self-justifying system or method of thought that can simultaneously explain the universe and prove its own validity. That the structure of logic itself in the universe is inherently paradoxical, that any conclusion must be founded on certain unprovable a priori assumptions, and that, thus, any conclusion is just a provisional guess anyways...which, conveniently enough, re-justifies the idea of practicing non-judgmental awareness, which once again leads you to hold an indeterminate position on the entire thought process you just had, which once again leads you to be indeterminate on the question of whether you should be indeterminate and non-judgmental...and then you see that this recursive thought-loop could just as well go on forever, so you might as well go fix yourself a bowl of cereal, assuming you can operate these strange limb-like appendages that you once thought of as your arms and legs.
Yeah, that's trippin' for ya. I bet nobody told you that it would be about that, rather that pretty colors. Sorry.
But I guess my most surefire advice (even more than non-judgmental awareness, whose skepticism can corrode its own basis, even though it will set you up on a safe thought loop that will totally immobilize you from doing or thinking anything actively harmful or delusional) would be to engage in familiar, mundane activites like eating a bowl of cereal, or drying the dishes, if all else fails....if you can manage it, like I said. Sometimes you will be so gone that all you can do is lie on the floor and close your eyes.
Really, there is no 100% surefire trick to safely tripping. If there were, then I think that it would kinda take some of the excitement out of it. Just remember that you're going to die eventually anyways, and that taking risks in life is unavoidable, especially if you want to get anything out of this life before you die, and thus that tripping is no more foolish of a risk than moving in for that first kiss and hoping that that cute girl/guy you are dating is on the same page.
And if all else fails, heed the tripping advice of Dio, who is indeed an Almighty God whose musical inspiration we mortals are lucky to have been blessed with:
What he's saying is, don't run away from your trip, but push through it. If this metaphor doesn't make sense right now, just give it some time. With enough tripping experience, it will start to make sense.
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They say that life's a carousel / Spinning fast, you've got to ride it well / The world is full of kings and queens / Who blind your eyes and steal your dreams / It's heaven and hell - Ronnie James Dio (RIP)
Edited by Comradez (05/07/11 06:14 AM)
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: Comradez]
#14414023 - 05/07/11 06:50 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Also, to the OP:
You probably feel like you aren't getting very much empathy here, like we are somewhat dismissing how fucked up your trip was, but trust me, most of us have been there, where you can't imagine yourself doing psychedelics ever again, and you know what? It's entirely okay to feel like you are feeling right now, like psychedelics are bullshit and dangerous and whatnot, and if you want to continue with that conviction ever on, then that's your choice, but first I'd at least bid you to consider that it might be possible to move on from this feeling. For example, Dio's definitely been there:
http://youtu.be/BZvNx0WTaPQ
Here's my analysis of the lyrics:
Shame on the night [shame on the dark side of psychedelics] for places I've been and what I've seen for giving me the strangest dreams [the strangest trips] But you never let me know just what they mean! [yes, it's frustrating sometimes!] so oh oh so shame on the night alright!
And shame on you [shame on psychedelics again] you've stolen the day snatched it away but I saw the sky and I never want to die [never wanna lose myself in them--ego death] Now you know the reason why I say oh shame on the night
You don't care what you've done [psychedelics are just uncaring chemicals, which they are, and it feels unfair to have one's entire reality be toyed with by these chemicals that, at the end of the day, don't give a shit] so I think I'd better run [I'd better get away from psychedelics]
Shame on the sun [shame on the light, grandiose side of psychedelics] for the light you sold [the grandiose delusions] I've lost my hold on the magic flame [psychedelics went south for me] but now I know your name [now I'm up to your tricks, psychedelics] Oh lord just go the way you came again [just leave me alone, psychedelics] oh oh oh shame on the night
You don't care what you've done so I know I'd better run
Shame on the night for places I've been and what I've seen for giving me the strangest dreams You never never never know just what they mean oh shame on the night
You don't care what you've done here I go I've got to run
Shame on the night shame shame on you Shame on the dream shame on the sun and you shame on the night Well I've lost my hold on the magic flame but now I know your name Shame on the night shame on you shame on all of you shame on the night Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha [one's imaginings of psychedelics sadistically laughing at us mortals who fumble with them and presume to take on their power]
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Here's another song:
Here's my analysis of the lyrics:
He'd never tell her lies [psychedelics would never tell you lies] And she believed in magic [you believed in them, you hoped they would show you something neat] But when the magic died [when it didn't turn out like you expected] She could see that all along he's just been
Guilty - a liar, liar [psychedelics are misleading liars] Guilty Guilty - burn in fire [psychedelics can do die in a fire] Guilty
It's time to say goodbye Don't tell another story [no more trips] Another alibi [don't give me another rationalization for why the psychedelic experience is actually worthwhile] Now you see that all along he's just been
Guilty - a liar, liar Guilty Guilty - you burn in fire Guilty Guilty - the great pretender [psychedelics pretend to give you insights, but really they are just fooling you] Guilty You're guilty - just surrender cause you're guilty
Broken promise But please forgive again [psychedelics are saying, "Forgive me."] One more time for me [one more trip?] It's the very last time - you'll see
Guilty - liar, liar You'll burn in fire Guilty - liar, liar Guilty
Guilty - the great pretender Guilty Guilty - just surrender, you're guilty Guilty, guilty, guilty A liar, liar Guilty - you'll burn in fire Oh guilty, you'll burn in fire Surrender - guilty So guilty
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But here's a song where Dio gives a much more even-handed assessment of psychedelics:
Which is just to re-emphasize the obvious truism: that psychedelics can be either good or bad. But sometimes you need to viscerally experience this first before you really get it.
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They say that life's a carousel / Spinning fast, you've got to ride it well / The world is full of kings and queens / Who blind your eyes and steal your dreams / It's heaven and hell - Ronnie James Dio (RIP)
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: Comradez]
#14414139 - 05/07/11 07:45 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shrooms are not for the feeble minded. 'nuff said.
And to Op: try researching substances before diving in. if u had done this, you would have known the risks already just like I did.
Bad trips are inevitable if u repeat psychedelic use over and over. get used to it.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: Comradez]
#14414804 - 05/07/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Comradez said:
With all this crazy stuff coming at you, you obviously need to be able to withhold judgment until you are sober again. Just observe. Observe. When something totally unexpected arises, laugh and gaze in childlike wonder, but set aside for the time being the question of whether it is true or not.
 
Edited by Vsnares.Zappa (05/07/11 11:38 AM)
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ChronicSmoke said:
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AbstraKt_I_Am said: Your religion is a ball of shit the shrooms shat out. You are close minded, and have lived a lie your whole life. Welcome to truth, something the mushrooms dont fuck around.
LOL, its just so true they will kick your ass if you dont use logic.
We need to distribute mushroom tea to fox news ASAP.
I'd say that you're bound to get your ass kicked in a trip if you do apply logic. Why? Because most of the time, a trip is just beyond logic and reason. Just my opinion, though.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir]
#14415605 - 05/07/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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yessir said: I was expecting an experience where I would...
Here's your problem right there
Chaos never matches expectations
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: easyrider]
#14415612 - 05/07/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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[gradient:#4D1CED,#3AED1A]When the mind's existing constructs are challenged, well really shattered by psychedelics, things happen. I think in a few years you'll look back on this and realized how much the experience changed you.[/gradient]
-------------------- They seemed to be staring at the dark, but their eyes were watching God.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: Luman]
#14415798 - 05/07/11 03:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Luman said:
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yessir said: I was expecting an experience where I would...
Here's your problem right there
Chaos never matches expectations
I agree with this as well - you can't expect anything out of a psychedelic trip - besides the fact that the machinery (your brain) that interprets the universe for you personally will be altered in some fundamental way (can differ every damn time) for some period of time.
They are only *spiritual* whatever that means, if you decide that they are to you personally, but all mushrooms are objectively are fungal bodies that contain chemicals that closely mimic neurotransmitters in your brain...
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You don't have to believe in spirituality, but that doesn't mean its 100% bullshit. What doesn't work for some, works for others, and vice versa.
Psychs aren't for everyone. OP is part of the people who probably shouldn't go down the rabbit hole.
-------------------- Prohibition didn't work for God; Eve ate the fruit.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: mycelial]
#14415825 - 05/07/11 03:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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This world understands no coward. You shouldnt have done them if you werent prepared to loose your mind.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir]
#14416289 - 05/07/11 06:34 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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well just because shrooms effect you this way dose not mean it effects everyone that way and you cant make usumptions of how mushrooms work for everyone- alot of people DO have spiritual trips and just because you feel you can not dosent not mean everyone works like you, i also grew up in mormon family and i can tell you it is a complete bullshit religion bassed on alot of horrible shit. josiph smith was not that good of guy if you did a little reserch.
i have NEVER been parinoid or had ANY bad mental "scary" effects from psyc's also dont fucking dive into such a large dose if this is ur first "trip"
maby you cant have a deep experince with shrooms but i have had so manny loveing experiences where i am just full of joy of this amazeing world we live in and how psychs help me see that at times.
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I think we have a philistine on our hands people.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#14416655 - 05/07/11 09:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Having done a research into the occult and being in contact with an O.T.O. and A.A. (Astrum Argentum) member my thoughts on this differ to other peoples.
I think you were basically downloaded with esoteric information that you couldn't handle. I would guess that if you were to search for information on what you experienced you would find it rather "New Age".
Psychedelics can open you up to be in contact with spirits and they can give you information, which may be true or false and deceptive. Some of the time you aren't aware that you are actually having a one way communication with an entity.
I find it odd how people have mushroom experiences and come out of it with esoteric ideas and beliefs. I know from research that at the very least some of "The Mysteries" are a bit of truth mixed in with lies.
In regards the OP's experience, I could compare it to saying I detest alcohol because I drank two bottles of Jack Daniels within a short period of time. I think you really need to know what you are doing when using psychedelics.
-------------------- (LSD) Lysergic Acid Diethylamide 25 "It is just a tool to turn us into what we are supposed to be." - Albert Hofmann "Drugs have done good things for us, if you don't believe they have do me a favor and take all your albums, tapes, CD's and burn them. Because you know what? Those musicians that have made that great music that has enhanced your lifes through out the years ... real fucking high on drugs." - Bill Hicks
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: 4HO-DMT]
#14416663 - 05/07/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Maybe OP should become accustomed to lower dosages before trying to turn himself into a little Mckenna
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: mukhail]
#14448682 - 05/13/11 11:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thank you to those of you with caring words. OfflineVicariousGreg and Nunbuh_Chrubble, thank you for your insight.
I would like to apologize to the community. My words of "DON'T DO IT" were extreme and I hope many of you can see were I was coming from. My gratuitous intentions were not to abolish mushrooms and mushroom users, but to simply prevent others from experience what I had experienced.
People should be free.
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: yessir]
#14449120 - 05/14/11 01:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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yessir said: Yes I am old enough. What I experienced was what you would call an "ego death."
Yes, ego-death - which can be terrifying if you fight it. Take another trip, this time let go.
I've had far worse trips but I've always learnt from them, the mushroom will test you and shatter you previous beliefs if it so wants to. Then I've tripped a few months later and had blissful visual trips and found inner peace. It all depends on the set and setting too.
Again, if you're not paying attention the mushroom has the power to shatter your mind if it wants...
All I'm saying is don't give up on one of nature's greatest gifts just 'cause of 1 bad trip!
-------------------- “Belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a doctrine of any sort, or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about that aspect of existence." - Robert Anton Wilson It is so obvious: Psilocybin Mushrooms are living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy!
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Re: I DETEST mushrooms! [Re: fugazi32]
#14449628 - 05/14/11 04:29 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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OP: You have successfully utilized some objectivity, abstract reasoning, imagination, observation, and creativity to forge a cognitive path different from the parents. Kudos for that. I encourage you to embrace those skills in your journey.
Your understanding of "logic" will evolve. If you can embrace the adaptive elements of your thinking process your mind will transcend layer after layer of arbitrary judgmentalism. You will be out of the box.
Unfortunately we all have artifacts of our upbringing and genetics that interfere with these processes. It takes time to identify and resolve (quarantine) them. People here are reacting to some of your cognitive artifacts. Namely, the projection of rigidity onto a dynamic experience. The need for order. The fear of chaos. The exaggerated sense of self.
If you cling to the tendency to fit reality into your compartmentalized cognitive structure - the rooms of thought that make so much sense and help your world seem rational - you will become a rigid fundamentalist of your own design.
I relate strongly to your challenges. When I was a teen I might have spoken your words verbatim. My advice is to consider very strongly the probability that whatever rationale there may be for your existence, you are incapable of grasping it. So learn to enjoy the ride. You are infinitesimal. Take every advantage of that.
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