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Bill Seeks to Designate Drug Cartels as Terrorists
#14410203 - 05/06/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Might as well combine the failed war on drugs with the failed war on terror.
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Bill Seeks to Designate Drug Cartels as Terrorists By JULIÁN AGUILAR Published: April 21, 2011
A Texas congressman is seeking to designate seven of the top Mexican cartels as “foreign terrorist organizations,” a move he says would give law enforcement in the United States enhanced tools to combat the cartels.
Legislation proposed by Representative Michael McCaul, Republican of Austin, takes aim at the Arellano Félix organization, Los Zetas, La Familia Michoacana, and the Beltrán Leyva, Sinaloa, Juárez and Gulf cartels. It would permit the government to freeze money tied to the organizations and enhance the criminal penalties for those found aiding the cartels.
“The definition under federal law of terrorism says ‘to intimidate a civilian population or a government by assassination or kidnappings.’ To me the cartels fall squarely into that definition,” said Mr. McCaul, a former chief of counterterrorism and national security in the United States attorney’s office. “I am concerned that Mexico is losing this war against the drug cartels, and so are we.”
Critics of the proposal, including Representative Henry Cuellar, Democrat of Laredo, fear that such a designation could damage the U.S. relationship with President Felipe Calderón of Mexico and further complicate Mexico’s anti-cartel battle.
“I think this will only strengthen his political opposition,” Mr. Cuellar said. “He doesn’t work in a vacuum.”
Mr. McCaul’s legislation has gained a nod of support from Representative Silvestre Reyes, Democrat of El Paso. A former Border Patrol sector chief, Mr. Reyes represents the district directly across from Ciudad Juárez, where drug violence has claimed at least 8,100 lives since 2008.
Vincent Perez, a spokesman for Mr. Reyes, said cartels frequently engaged in brutal acts of narco-terrorism to undermine democratic institutions and to incite fear among the people and law enforcement. “Such a designation would provide additional tools to help combat drug cartels and the threat they pose to the security” of the United States and Latin America, he said.
But persuading the Mexican government to embrace the initiative could be an uphill battle, analysts say.
The proposed legislation “is extremely upsetting to the Mexican government, and they have been pretty vocal in rejecting the notion,” said Eric Olson, a senior associate at the Mexico Institute of the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. “There, it’s organized crime, it’s vicious. But they are not ideologically motivated, and the Mexican government is trying to make a strong distinction between those things.”
Mr. Cuellar said the legislation was unnecessary because an existing law, the 1999 Foreign Narcotics Kingpin Designation Act, already allowed prosecutors here to take action against the cartels. The act freezes the United States assets of designated foreign drug traffickers. Mr. McCaul said the act only allows the government to take care of the head of the cartel rather than the body.
“As we’ve seen time and time again, you can take out the head, and just like a hydra, it will grow another,” he said.
Mr. McCaul and Mr. Cuellar plan to reach out to Mr. Calderón and Arturo Sarukhán, Mexico’s ambassador to the United States. Mr. McCaul said he would try to soothe fears that Mexicans had about his proposal and convince them it was intended to help. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/22/us/22ttcartels.html?_r=1
And of course as a precursor to any good war, we have already been selling the cartels weapons.
U.S. urged dealer to continue gun sales despite concerns, inquiry finds
America's Third War: Is the U.S. Arming Mexican Cartels?
Just makes me all fuzzy inside.
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Re: Bill Seeks to Designate Drug Cartels as Terrorists [Re: 4runner]
#14410210 - 05/06/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Jesus.... I hate this country.
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Re: Bill Seeks to Designate Drug Cartels as Terrorists [Re: 4runner]
#14410239 - 05/06/11 01:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Bill Seeks to Designate Drug Cartels as Terrorists [Re: ifoundwaldo]
#14410250 - 05/06/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bad Obama
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Re: Bill Seeks to Designate Drug Cartels as Terrorists [Re: ifoundwaldo]
#14410254 - 05/06/11 01:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Makes sense to me. If I lived in Texas I would welcome this law. Maybe if they actually gain an upper hand in the "war", people up in the US would start freaking out about not having so many drugs and start being self reliant.
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Re: Bill Seeks to Designate Drug Cartels as Terrorists [Re: ifoundwaldo]
#14410265 - 05/06/11 01:19 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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well they're only calling them terrorists so they have more legal rights, and can punish the criminals more.
“I am concerned that Mexico is losing this war against the drug cartels, and so are we.” <-- if you make drugs legal you'll eliminate ALL the cartels!
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Re: Bill Seeks to Designate Drug Cartels as Terrorists [Re: Anthony917]
#14410270 - 05/06/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Bill Seeks to Designate Drug Cartels as Terrorists [Re: Anthony917]
#14410280 - 05/06/11 01:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Anthony917 said: well they're only calling them terrorists so they have more legal rights, and can punish the criminals more.
That is a big problem right there. Who wont the feds call a terrorist.
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Re: Bill Seeks to Designate Drug Cartels as Terrorists [Re: 4runner]
#14410298 - 05/06/11 01:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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true
ur a terrorist
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Re: Bill Seeks to Designate Drug Cartels as Terrorists [Re: Anthony917]
#14410359 - 05/06/11 01:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Great. I can just see all the lengthy cases of US citizens getting charged with aiding terrorism while getting caught with drugs from these "terrorist"
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Re: Bill Seeks to Designate Drug Cartels as Terrorists [Re: 4runner]
#14410418 - 05/06/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
anunnakian said:
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Anthony917 said: well they're only calling them terrorists so they have more legal rights, and can punish the criminals more.
That is a big problem right there. Who wont the feds call a terrorist.
Exactly my thoughts. I'm not a fan of mexican cartels by any means, but this is looking like another step closer to a slippery slope.
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Re: Bill Seeks to Designate Drug Cartels as Terrorists [Re: sandi]
#14410452 - 05/06/11 02:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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this whole situation is fucking nuts. god damn.
Mexicans fight with white settlers to gain independence from the oppressive Mexican government, and here we are years later and the white people are all GET THE FUCK OUT, THIS IS GOD'S COUNTRY!!! (and apparently god doesn't approve of brown people)
Wouldn't it be amazing if we could just team up with them again and gain our independence from both countries? ha. they could just take california, new mexico, arizona and texas back with them. drugs could be legal in our new country.
I'm seeing nothing bad about this...
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Re: Bill Seeks to Designate Drug Cartels as Terrorists [Re: maerigan]
#14410559 - 05/06/11 02:21 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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except the part where we all die because the us federal govt has too much power and would not approve.
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Re: Bill Seeks to Designate Drug Cartels as Terrorists [Re: psilyguy]
#14410578 - 05/06/11 02:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Now if these drug cartels are considered terrorists, wouldn't companies gaining profit from cartel activity be considered "accomplices to terrorism"? And if that is true, then wouldn't a lot of US companies be at risk, i.e. banks that helped launder drug money?
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Re: Bill Seeks to Designate Drug Cartels as Terrorists [Re: NoOneImportant]
#14410878 - 05/06/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Combining the failed drug war with the failed terror war.
Combine both, save of the overhead costs
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Re: Bill Seeks to Designate Drug Cartels as Terrorists [Re: 4runner]
#14410939 - 05/06/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Herman Cain supports it.... "on the surface I would say yes". But then he goes on to other immigration stuff dodging the question.
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Re: Bill Seeks to Designate Drug Cartels as Terrorists [Re: 4runner]
#14415078 - 05/07/11 12:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just incase you didn't see it yesterday, a little bump to brighten your day.
later all.
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