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If you ever moved beyond the physical plane...
#14409706 - 05/06/11 11:22 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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How would you know?
I mean, in order to determine that you were in some other dimension (or something), you would have to use your senses (normally considered physical) and logic (definitely related to brain function)- first to perceive the world/dimension/heaven, and secondly to categorize it as something other than what you're used to.
Senses and logic are the two things that constitute our every-day perception of the world, and we would have to use them in order to compare some new dimension with this one - so how could you ever be sure that you were on some fundamentally different plane?
In fact, wouldn't the necessary similarities between the two make it more likely that you were dreaming, tripping, or a brain in a vat or something?
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Re: If you ever moved beyond the physical plane... [Re: NetDiver]
#14409727 - 05/06/11 11:26 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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That is silly. I would know if I were just a brain in a vat. Whatever you do, do NOT trip over the power cord. 
Your post reminds me of all the nonsensical threads about what a blind person would 'see' while on acid. Or about how those with NDEs can see 'other realms' without physical eyes. When they come back they might as well just pluck out the useless orbs.
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Re: If you ever moved beyond the physical plane... [Re: NetDiver]
#14409729 - 05/06/11 11:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just close your eyes and dream!!!
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Re: If you ever moved beyond the physical plane... [Re: Me_Roy]
#14409736 - 05/06/11 11:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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...or get shitfaced drunk!
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Re: If you ever moved beyond the physical plane... [Re: Me_Roy]
#14409738 - 05/06/11 11:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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...or read a book and turn on the TV in your mind!!!
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Re: If you ever moved beyond the physical plane... [Re: Me_Roy]
#14409741 - 05/06/11 11:28 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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...or exercise your chompers on some good, hard food!
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Re: If you ever moved beyond the physical plane... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#14409764 - 05/06/11 11:32 AM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Exactly. No matter what distant dimension you think you're in, you're still using the same tools to perceive it... that's proven by the fact that you can remember it/have any comprehension of it at all.
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Re: If you ever moved beyond the physical plane... [Re: NetDiver]
#14411283 - 05/06/11 04:51 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Samurai Drifter said: How would you know?
I mean, in order to determine that you were in some other dimension (or something), you would have to use your senses (normally considered physical)...
No, I could use my soul, which is supra-aphysical. 
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Samurai Drifter said: ...and logic (definitely related to brain function)- first to perceive the world/dimension/heaven, and secondly to categorize it as something other than what you're used to.
My soul doesn't use logic, it uses intuition.
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Re: If you ever moved beyond the physical plane... [Re: Poid]
#14411291 - 05/06/11 04:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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My soul doesn't use logic, it uses intuition.
My intuition doesn't use my soul, it uses logic.
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Re: If you ever moved beyond the physical plane... [Re: DieCommie]
#14411368 - 05/06/11 05:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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We don't really know alot about consiousness at all. How are you sure that your being in this world is only limited to your eyeballs and ur brain?
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Re: If you ever moved beyond the physical plane... [Re: infectedstyle]
#14411572 - 05/06/11 05:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Because things that effect my eyeballs and brain effect my being. Its pretty strong evidence.
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Re: If you ever moved beyond the physical plane... [Re: infectedstyle]
#14411629 - 05/06/11 06:06 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well the answer is simple: God would tell me. He would say "Behold, this is heaven!" And then we would party until the end of time!
But seriously, in Buddhism, after the 8 stages of death:
1. Separation from air 2. Separation from fire 3. Separation from water 4. Separation from Earth 5. Black sky mind 6. Orange-red sky mind 7. White sky mind 8. Clear light
They say being in the clear light is immensely blissful. In Tibetan practice, they review these stages daily so that they have a level of awareness to stay in the clear light for as long as possible. If a practitioner was unable to reach enlightenment within his or her life, it is still very possible in the clear light, supposedly.
After the clear light comes the Bardo I believe, where your consciousness supposedly can travel wherever you want, as fast as you want, and through walls, through mountains...etc. I haven't read a great deal about the Bardo, but still I wonder if there is any sensation, or any emotional feeling at all. There must be some sort of desire to return to life, to reincarnate, as they say the maximum stay in the Bardo is approximately 49 days. I believe you know it is the Bardo, or intermediary/spiritual plane, because you do not have a body, you move as if with the wind, like a molecule of air. But can you go into space?
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Re: If you ever moved beyond the physical plane... [Re: NetDiver]
#14411726 - 05/06/11 06:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Samurai Drifter said:
Exactly. No matter what distant dimension you think you're in, you're still using the same tools to perceive it... that's proven by the fact that you can remember it/have any comprehension of it at all.
I don't think you've actually proved anything here. I'm not aware of anyone who does the OBE thing or even has a breakthrough DMT experience who denies their physical body isn't stuck on the couch.
Physical senses are irrelevant when it comes a purely mental experience. Do you hear with your physical ears in your dreams? Or see with your physical eyes? Can you remember them anyway?
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Re: If you ever moved beyond the physical plane... [Re: Cups]
#14411926 - 05/06/11 07:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's exactly my point. Whatever we're using to perceive in dreams and on drugs is the same thing that we use to perceive in every day life. The specifics change; the way we perceive really doesn't. It all comes back to your senses.
If you sense being in the "afterlife," how is that any different than sensing being in a dream, or in a drug trip, both states that have physical explanations? You're still using your senses, so it can't be that qualitatively different.
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Re: If you ever moved beyond the physical plane... [Re: NetDiver]
#14412710 - 05/06/11 09:43 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Samurai Drifter said: If you sense being in the "afterlife," how is that any different than sensing being in a dream, or in a drug trip, both states that have physical explanations? You're still using your senses, so it can't be that qualitatively different.
Perhaps the physical cause for "sensing" you're in the afterlife is that your physical brain has stopped working....i.e you're "dead".
This is one of the things which has always fascinated me about NDEs and such. I've had many crazy dreams, but I've never woken up and thought I actually was at the location referenced in my dream. By contrast people who experience this stuff are convinced they "went" somewhere.
Of course there are people who genuinely believe they went on board a UFO and got ass raped by an alien too.
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Re: If you ever moved beyond the physical plane... [Re: Cups]
#14412994 - 05/06/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've had dreams that seemed seriously real for a good while (few hours) after waking up. Sometimes it takes some time for the memory to decay into something that is clearly discrete from the normal, daily, waking life.
Perhaps this process functions differently in different individuals.
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Re: If you ever moved beyond the physical plane... [Re: Cups]
#14413008 - 05/06/11 10:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have written several times about my adult night terrors, which most people misunderstand. It is not about paranoia, fear, psychological or emotional disorder, nor about scary dreams nor even remotely related to nightmares.
It happens when one suddenly wakes up directly from stage 4 sleep without passing back through stages 3, 2, and 1.
It is terrifying beyond measure and very difficult to put into words. Every time it happened I was certain I was dying, even though there was no pain and I was able to see normally. The episode is generally accompanied by loud screaming and lasts anywhere from seconds to minutes.
What it feels like is that one is stuck between worlds. I had one such attack after making love to my then girlfriend. and then falling asleep. They always come about 20 minutes after falling asleep, never in the middle of the night or in the morning.
My GF didn't know what to do as I could not stop screaming - and it was the worst ever going on for minutes. She touched me and I slammed her into the wall. Never touch anyone in this state nor talk to them - it does not help and can exacerbate. It is not like a person can be talked down like when having a bad trip or experiencing a phobia.
Here is the weird part: I heard and was aware of everything she said and did and was aware that I shoved her.
Apparently the two hemispheres of the brain are unable to communicate for a time, hence the strangest feeling in the world.
Thankfully, I have not had an episode in about five years.
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Re: If you ever moved beyond the physical plane... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#14413038 - 05/06/11 10:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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That's terrible. My brother has had night terrors. There's sort of a primal need to try to talk somebody down from that, but it can't be done. It's beyond rationality.
I'm amazed in general at the potential severity of hypnagogic shenanigans. I recently had sleep paralysis for an hour while babies in space suits performed experiments on me. I'm ready to blame it on the xanax, a drug I'm not familiar with. (Never been a fan of that particular class of numbing agents.)
There have also been several times that I was falling asleep with an ex-girlfriend of mine, and I would suddenly have one of those hypnagogic jerks where you spontaneously kick your leg. I would slam the wall behind us, and have to explain myself... It's a bitch, man.
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There's sort of a primal need to try to talk somebody down from that, but it can't be done. It's beyond rationality.
I am glad you get that. People here used to argue (from ignorance) endlessly with me on that.
The only thing an onlooker can do is wait it out with the person and see that no harm comes to them, though I never felt the need to move except to jump up from bed and stand there.
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Re: If you ever moved beyond the physical plane... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#14413050 - 05/06/11 11:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Is it sleep paralysis?
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